Keep in mind, any plans to test Cubus via vigging him are made considerably more dubious that we already have a vig down. That said, I don't think lynching Cubus for kicks is likely to be very productive.
I have no idea what to do in regards to bertrand. I want to vote him, but his noncommital play certainly fits with his usual playstyle. Actually, know what, screw it. I'm going to vote bertrand regardless, because his play is not productive for the town one way or the other.
Heh, Ged its ok. WoD stop acting stupid (ok, maybe im not the player to say it) but the town will NOT lynch cubus. There are a lot of people out there who just think its stupid. Why should we waste our day 2 lynch on TESTING somebody. As of now, there is a lot to go, and we dont have to worry about hiding scum or anything crazy in the claims. Also @WoD: Get on aim more often
You get on MSN more often. Aim is a piece of crap that only americans use.
I tried running Trillian to overcome this but it crashes quite a lot and is quite a strain on my severely underpowered PC when its not crashing.
I'd like to state again, that I don't advocate a cubus lynch for testing purposes. It is an added bonus that if he is telling the truth (at least partially) we won't kill a townie. That's not however why I'm voting him. I think that he is scummy, and should be lynched, if a lynch doesn't remove his presence (which I'm significantly less convinced of than most) then we can discuss other options (which include vigging, considering confirmed, ignoring etc.)
I do find Cubus mildly scummy, but then again, anyone who plays as if they are officially cleared seems to be scummy to me. They have a "Can't touch this" attitude about them that just rubs me the wrong way.
Truthfully, EVERYONE this game seems to be quite wishy-washy. No one is quite willing to take a position on anything, and the fact that WoLG did makes me trust him a modicum more then anyone else except for Arimnaes and WoD. *at worst, Wod is neutral. i DONT see him being scum as i dont see the point of a scum watcher.*
There's just nothing happening, and atm, the two bigger plays are Bertrand and Treigit.
I thought Treigit was scum sooo.. Unvote, Vote Treigit
Lets see what happens
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Not to mention the fact that, you know, the Vig is dead. The only thing left is the SK/mafia, and I doubt they are going to waste kills on him at this point in time. Treg's last few posts have bugged me, but I'm going to read up a bit more on him before I vote.
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My point is that it is not different at all from those who want to test Cubus by lynching him.
Every single player who wants to lynch Cubus believe he is scum(my). The only difference between Treigit and the others is that the others try to take into account the possibility of him being truthful. Actually, Treigit did it too, so there's no difference at all.
ZDS- Are you saying that lynching someone under the presumption that they will die is scummy? Are you saying that losing a player that isn't against the town is better than not losing said player?
I fail to see why a cubus lynch is worse than any other lynch.
Lynching Cubus will ultimatly result in him being tested. That, however, is not what Treigit is trying to say. He's saying that the REASON he wants to lynch Cubus is that Cubus is scummy. He then goes on to say that he also doesn't believe Cubus, and believes that Cubus will die when lynched.
Honestly, I don't see what's so hard to understand about this. I don't see that we have anything to lose by lynching Cubus. If it's a mislynch, we lose less than if we were to mislynch another townie. Due to ZDS recent posts, I'd be willing to vote for him, also.
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The difference, is: Testing is to see if he is telling the truth. This is a normal lynch, it happens that the person I'd like to lynch claims it won't kill him, that is immaterial to why I'd like to lynch him.
Is there anyway, by your view, in which we could lynch or vig Cubus without it being a test?
@ ZDS - I think that I want to lynch fayul every game, for metagame reasons. She lurks more than serial luker jobie. That in itself is a really irritating playstyle to me. However, as per usual, she has not done anything except spout rhetoric in 1-2 sentence posts, and thus, it is impossible to get a read on her either way.
She still isnt worse than me in dota (10 posts in 98 pages I believe) but that game is ongoing. I could see going after bertrand, or Zds, but I just think that before we do, everybody on the cubus wagon either dies or shuts up for the stupidity of it
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ZDS- I'm actually not assuming he's lying because I find him scummy. I'm assuming he's lying because I can't see that role being remotely possible as he's described it.
WoLGs- I wasn't the first to bring up the vig, I'm just saying that if we're considering it an option, lynching him doesn't change that fact.
There have been a lot of odd things this game, but I don't believe that a player can be immune to dying. That would be like the mod (actually) playing. I can't happen. Certainly not on a town or mafia.
The mod was lynchable in SC. Someone is posting through the mod here. The mod is not playing, such a role (and an unkillable aligned role) would be utterly broken.
You diddnt ask where that role was, but where the mod was playing, and if you look at it, the mod is technically making posts, though we believe it to be DYH. Theres your answer.
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I agree. An unkillable aligned role is highly unlikely. I have only seen a role like this once, to my recollection, and it was neutral, couldn't vote after we lynched it, and could be removed from the game by other means.
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done with mafia. I don't have the time to devote to it and play it correctly.
sorry for leaving the guy replacing me in a horrible situation.
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No, I think DYH is playing as xyre, though IT LOOKS LIKE the mod is playing before all that. Besides, he diddnt ask when the mod was playing as himself, as a broken role, just when the mod was playing
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This game is frustrating to me in that we just keep going over the same topics and when we are done there, we go over them again. And once we have finished doing so, we go over them again in a giant cycle.
Yes DYH is playing as Xyre. This should be more than obvious at this point.
I still think that we can wait on the Cubus issue. It is not a pressing matter and we have no idea if we will be able to vig him. Why can't we just let him be for now?
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sorry for leaving the guy replacing me in a horrible situation.
Thanks for telling me, Fayul.
Fayul's been awfully quiet as of late, and you've really started taking notice. Eventually, SorryGuy walks over to her and starts poking her. Hard.
"Wake up, idiot! We need to hunt scum and look for this XYH guy!!"
She looks up with a sneer. "Go hang yourself, wiseguy."
Creampuffeater walks up quickly to try to restrain SorryGuy, but it's no use, as his fist connects with Fayul's jaw. You all hear the resulting dull thud and Fayul falls back. She reaches in her pocket.
"You know what..." she says, pulling out a very frightening-looking device. "I've had it with you people pushing me the hell around." She grins and presses a red button on the device, which immediately begins buzzing ferociously. She prepares to throw it at SorryGuy.
One of the masked men suddenly fires a round straight at the device, and at the same time yells "DUCK!" You all get the message just before the device, now revealed to be the worst grenade ever, blows up, along with its bearer. The ground where Fayul's been is now quite charred, but at least nobody was hurt.
...well, nobody other than Fayul, of course. The masked man sighs. "I hate this job sometimes."
You all turn around to look at who's left, and realize with a pit in your stomachs that, for all your misgivings about Fayul, you've lost an ally in your war with... whomever.
Fayul, Ahmed Alkanazar, the Victimized Terrorist - Aggressive Townie, has been modkilled.
*sigh* we're down yet another townie person
(Technically we've lost 3/4 townies. the clone, Swinkee who was half townie, and cyan)
I'm having an alternate thought about the Cubus thing, if no one is willing to push for and investigate the whole thing, then let us examine those on the wagon itself.
Myself, Treigit, uhm, wuffles.
And look at those who oppose it.
We have lost *technically* 2 townies simply to Modkill's, so we better get something going before we lose more.
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Seriously though, I think that we should get scumhunting, and if that means bertand im fine with it, though I think the cubus wagon people are suspect too. I guess I will Unvote, Vote Bertand for the sake of getting something moving
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I do not mean any offence by this, but this game is starting to feel kinda ground down.
We're nearly at the 500 post count for this day alone, in addition to the roughly 1,000 posts from the Day Thread. It's starting to feel that BECAUSE of the amounts of messed up this game is, that everyone is being so utterly cautious.
At current, everyone seems to be kinda afraid to say almost anything cause wagons form, and disipate incredibly swiftly.
At current, to my observation, Bertrand and Treigit seem to be the bigger question marks.
With a fair amount of people well... seemingly afraid to challenge or test Cubus because he says he's town and cant be killed. You feel you don't have to test him now, and as the game progresses you will all have less reason to test him.
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I do not mean any offence by this, but this game is starting to feel kinda ground down.
We're nearly at the 500 post count for this day alone, in addition to the roughly 1,000 posts from the Day Thread. It's starting to feel that BECAUSE of the amounts of messed up this game is, that everyone is being so utterly cautious.
I understand this. At the moment, I think there's enough discussion available to not need a deadline, but one may appear soon.
You should explain why exactly you are voting him (and not someone else), so that he can defend himself in some other way than "oh noes, people are voting for me but I don't get why", and so that he can not pretend to have missed the arguments against him previously made.
(also take this post as a "hey Bertrand, look here ! There's been votes on you since a little while, start noticing !")
I got a week off, hopefully I will find the time to reread this night carefully.
Please don't lynch me until then
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The men in the mask have just gotten to pulling away what was left of Fayul when another argument starts up again, this time between Cubus and arimnaes. Arim swings a wild punch at Cubus' head, and the men in the masks and you all are instantly aware of it. Cubus nimbly dodges and looks ready to start shooting Arim.
"*******!" Arim's yelling. Bertrand shakes his head. "I thought I told you guys to hide the alcohol."
"We did!" StormBlind shouts back, clearly agitated by the recent death of Fayul.
"So... what's wrong with Arim?" Bert asks. You all turn to look at Arim, who's being restrained by a clearly frustrated Treigit. He's still shouting. "I'll kill the bastard! I'll kill him!"
Treigit, out of pure anger at this guy, throws him to the ground. You all hear the thud of arim's body hitting the ground, and everyone is suddenly quiet. Arim shouldn't have been knocked out by that...
...so why wasn't he moving?
Treigit starts to panic. "Look, guys, you saw me! I just dropped him! Right? Right?!"
Jobie walks over to arim and looks at him for a moment, then sighs, and says in the most anticlimactic way possible, "He's dead." Treigit freaks out, but Jobie stops him with a wave of his hand.
"Gentlemen", he says, "this was no accident. He's been poisoned."
You all stare, remembering how serge went. The bodies are starting to pile up indeed.
Hopefully someone that takes better notes than I can find scum rather easily now. I remember at some point tonight someone posted something that made it clear they assumed the slow killing to be a mafia ability, not just Hyrams. I thought it was SB, but don't find it there.
I have no idea what to do in regards to bertrand. I want to vote him, but his noncommital play certainly fits with his usual playstyle. Actually, know what, screw it. I'm going to vote bertrand regardless, because his play is not productive for the town one way or the other.
I tried running Trillian to overcome this but it crashes quite a lot and is quite a strain on my severely underpowered PC when its not crashing. You get on MSN more often. Aim is a piece of crap that only americans use.
Truthfully, EVERYONE this game seems to be quite wishy-washy. No one is quite willing to take a position on anything, and the fact that WoLG did makes me trust him a modicum more then anyone else except for Arimnaes and WoD. *at worst, Wod is neutral. i DONT see him being scum as i dont see the point of a scum watcher.*
There's just nothing happening, and atm, the two bigger plays are Bertrand and Treigit.
I thought Treigit was scum sooo..
Unvote, Vote Treigit
Lets see what happens
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3CB and 4CB5CB!Then why vote Treigit rather than anyone else?
I fail to see why a cubus lynch is worse than any other lynch.
Honestly, I don't see what's so hard to understand about this. I don't see that we have anything to lose by lynching Cubus. If it's a mislynch, we lose less than if we were to mislynch another townie. Due to ZDS recent posts, I'd be willing to vote for him, also.
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Is there anyway, by your view, in which we could lynch or vig Cubus without it being a test?
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(No one else say anything about this.)
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@ ZDS - I think that I want to lynch fayul every game, for metagame reasons. She lurks more than serial luker jobie. That in itself is a really irritating playstyle to me. However, as per usual, she has not done anything except spout rhetoric in 1-2 sentence posts, and thus, it is impossible to get a read on her either way.
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You're right that we shouldn't count on it, though.
WoLGs- I wasn't the first to bring up the vig, I'm just saying that if we're considering it an option, lynching him doesn't change that fact.
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done with mafia. I don't have the time to devote to it and play it correctly.
sorry for leaving the guy replacing me in a horrible situation.
Yes DYH is playing as Xyre. This should be more than obvious at this point.
I still think that we can wait on the Cubus issue. It is not a pressing matter and we have no idea if we will be able to vig him. Why can't we just let him be for now?
Thanks for telling me, Fayul.
Fayul's been awfully quiet as of late, and you've really started taking notice. Eventually, SorryGuy walks over to her and starts poking her. Hard.
"Wake up, idiot! We need to hunt scum and look for this XYH guy!!"
She looks up with a sneer. "Go hang yourself, wiseguy."
Creampuffeater walks up quickly to try to restrain SorryGuy, but it's no use, as his fist connects with Fayul's jaw. You all hear the resulting dull thud and Fayul falls back. She reaches in her pocket.
"You know what..." she says, pulling out a very frightening-looking device. "I've had it with you people pushing me the hell around." She grins and presses a red button on the device, which immediately begins buzzing ferociously. She prepares to throw it at SorryGuy.
One of the masked men suddenly fires a round straight at the device, and at the same time yells "DUCK!" You all get the message just before the device, now revealed to be the worst grenade ever, blows up, along with its bearer. The ground where Fayul's been is now quite charred, but at least nobody was hurt.
...well, nobody other than Fayul, of course. The masked man sighs. "I hate this job sometimes."
You all turn around to look at who's left, and realize with a pit in your stomachs that, for all your misgivings about Fayul, you've lost an ally in your war with... whomever.
Fayul, Ahmed Alkanazar, the Victimized Terrorist - Aggressive Townie, has been modkilled.
Continue.
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(Technically we've lost 3/4 townies. the clone, Swinkee who was half townie, and cyan)
I'm having an alternate thought about the Cubus thing, if no one is willing to push for and investigate the whole thing, then let us examine those on the wagon itself.
Myself, Treigit, uhm, wuffles.
And look at those who oppose it.
We have lost *technically* 2 townies simply to Modkill's, so we better get something going before we lose more.
Seriously though, I think that we should get scumhunting, and if that means bertand im fine with it, though I think the cubus wagon people are suspect too. I guess I will Unvote, Vote Bertand for the sake of getting something moving
We're nearly at the 500 post count for this day alone, in addition to the roughly 1,000 posts from the Day Thread. It's starting to feel that BECAUSE of the amounts of messed up this game is, that everyone is being so utterly cautious.
At current, everyone seems to be kinda afraid to say almost anything cause wagons form, and disipate incredibly swiftly.
At current, to my observation, Bertrand and Treigit seem to be the bigger question marks.
With a fair amount of people well... seemingly afraid to challenge or test Cubus because he says he's town and cant be killed. You feel you don't have to test him now, and as the game progresses you will all have less reason to test him.
I understand this. At the moment, I think there's enough discussion available to not need a deadline, but one may appear soon.
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I got a week off, hopefully I will find the time to reread this night carefully.
Please don't lynch me until then
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"*******!" Arim's yelling. Bertrand shakes his head. "I thought I told you guys to hide the alcohol."
"We did!" StormBlind shouts back, clearly agitated by the recent death of Fayul.
"So... what's wrong with Arim?" Bert asks. You all turn to look at Arim, who's being restrained by a clearly frustrated Treigit. He's still shouting. "I'll kill the bastard! I'll kill him!"
Treigit, out of pure anger at this guy, throws him to the ground. You all hear the thud of arim's body hitting the ground, and everyone is suddenly quiet. Arim shouldn't have been knocked out by that...
...so why wasn't he moving?
Treigit starts to panic. "Look, guys, you saw me! I just dropped him! Right? Right?!"
Jobie walks over to arim and looks at him for a moment, then sighs, and says in the most anticlimactic way possible, "He's dead." Treigit freaks out, but Jobie stops him with a wave of his hand.
"Gentlemen", he says, "this was no accident. He's been poisoned."
You all stare, remembering how serge went. The bodies are starting to pile up indeed.
Arimnaes, Asher - Town Clone, has been killed.
Continue.
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Find that person, lynch that person.