[LOR] A bunch of Elemental cards

[FlyingSpaghettiMonster]

Here's what really doesn't make sense about the red evoker: why make the evoke cost just 1 less? If you have the choice between killing a land and waiting a turn for a 4/4, I'd take the 4/4... I think 3R would have made a lot more sense, or even 2RR. Or made the guy more expensive and buffer.

[dbw]

Originally Posted by ludd_gang

So Counsel of the Soratami is now obsolete too?

They JUST made Counsel a few years ago as a core set plant, and Mulldrifter is far and away better... this set seems to have a lot of examples of power drift.

There was a time when Juzam Djinn was like the best creature out there. Now they said **** it and we have a 5/5 for 3 with no (nonsymmetrical) drawback.

Summary: Yes, CoS is obsolete, which is totally lame.

[JCricket]

Originally Posted by Plague Spitter

If you like casual magic, then evoke creatures work really well with gleancrawler. It's like a regrowth every turn for all your spells!

Good idea. In Standard, you can also use Enduring Renewal. That's pretty good with Shriekmaw, at least, and also works with things like Saffi Eriksdotter and Martyr of Sands.

Originally Posted by fnord

Agreed, it should be different. Like this:

Elemental Blaze
Tribal Sorcery - Elemental
Elemental Blaze does Y damage to target creature or player.

(Gets around Teeg.)

That would be amusing, and I wouldn't mind it. I doubt they'd want it to get around Teeg, though.

Originally Posted by ludd gang

So Counsel of the Soratami is now obsolete too?

So that's Shock, Henge of Ramos, Counsel of the Soratami, Wall of Wood (again), Aggressive Urge (granted, its superior is a shift to )... Anything else I'm missing?

Yeah, School of the Unseen and Warrior's Honor, plus the Invasion CIPT dual lands (which were sort of obsoleted already, but sometimes Snow or basic land types can be a bad thing, so they weren't always worse - but now they are).

[urzassedatives]

Originally Posted by JCricket

Yeah, School of the Unseen and Warrior's Honor, plus the Invasion CIPT dual lands (which were sort of obsoleted already, but sometimes Snow or basic land types can be a bad thing, so they weren't always worse - but now they are).

Look at some of the color fixing in the original multicolor block and laugh.
Example?
Phyrexian Lens
Lorwyn has a sickening amount of color fixing. Thankfully this much fixing was not in Ravnica, but I am wondering if they want everyone to play 4/5 color limited decks or something...(sticking to 2 tribes seems like a better idea...)

[JCricket]

Originally Posted by urzassedatives

I am wondering if they want everyone to play 4/5 color limited decks or something...(sticking to 2 tribes seems like a better idea...)

That's why color fixing cards, in moderation, are so great for limited. They let you choose between the consistency of 2 colors or the increased power of 3 or more. They create real deckbuilding decisions. It's also quite nice that they help avoid color screw even if you do stick to 2.

Phyrexian Lens would be nice if it cost .

[gilgamesh]

Originally Posted by fnord

Agreed, it should be different. Like this:

Elemental Blaze
Tribal Sorcery - Elemental
Elemental Blaze does Y damage to target creature or player.

(Gets around Teeg.)

First of all, why y? Wizards doesn't use y. It tried y and decided it didn't like it, even rewording fireball. Second, Teeg blocks this just as well as he blocks WoG if it's for 3 or more. It is true that you could play this for 3 to burn Teeg out, but that applies to any X burn spell, and, after all, Tarfire is a much better way to get rid of Teeg, as it's 2 mana less and happens to trigger Boggart Shenenagans.

[ockham]

Originally Posted by gilgamesh

First of all, why y? Wizards doesn't use y. It tried y and decided it didn't like it, even rewording fireball. Second, Teeg blocks this just as well as he blocks WoG if it's for 3 or more. It is true that you could play this for 3 to burn Teeg out, but that applies to any X burn spell, and, after all, Tarfire is a much better way to get rid of Teeg, as it's 2 mana less and happens to trigger Boggart Shenenagans.

Lol. Good point. Teeg doesn't like the cc4 anymore than it likes the x.

[Zombiemachine]

Nothing that impressive here. Some noteworthy limited material, such as the draw 2 and destroy land guys, but that's about it. Seems like the commons are pouring in like rain.

[Hadoken]

Besides, Wizards wouldn't ditch their conventions just to make one card get around another card - and a rare one at that.

[viridiancircle]

Actually Counsel of the Soratami, Shock and Aggressive Urge haven't actually been obsoleted. Here's why:

-Remove Soul
-Foothill Guide (a really lame excuse, but you never know, it might make a difference!)
-Surge of Thoughtweft is in White, not Green, and won't always net you an exta card

I'm clutching at straws here, but technically correct. then again, there is a similar analogy in saying that Concentrate isn't strictly worse than Ancestral because you can have multiples in a deck and it doesn't lose to Flash Counter. Meh.

[Machius]

Love your work charlequin, keep it up.

Ethereal Wiskergill- It's a cheap fat flyer, but it has islandhome. Good against players with islands, bad flying wall otherwise, unfortunately not reallly worth it even with a way to make your opponents lands islands.

Soulbright Flamekin- well he's a 2/1 for in a tribe and with a reusable cost activated ability which gives trample(a good thing I here), even on that basis he's limited solid and boarderline constructed(but only in an elemental deck), His "mana" ability means that if you have 6 mana you can give 3 of your creatures trample and gets 8 red mana to cast spells/use on activated abilities etc. All up not bad and probably worthwhile in a elemental tribal deck.

Ingot Chewer- Not a terrible card, it's a fatter Viridian Shaman in red with+1/+1 and +. Or a Shattering Spree without replicate.

Aethersnipe- 6 for a 4/4 which can bounce anything but land is good and if you really need the bounce a 3cc evoke ability is solid if unimpressive.

Dawnfluke- Limited trick only it's 1 half of Healing Salve(which was never impressive) and the 0/3 body is the killer. Still with flash it can set up some nice situations.

Mulldrifter- Nice one, card draw is good this is Counsel of the Soratami with a 2/2 body attached for only extra or you can evoke to get exactly Counsel of the Soratami, Limited excellent, might be worth trying in constructed.

Inner-flame Acolyte- Limited solid a 2/2 for 3 which pumps one of your creatures power up by +2/+0 when it comes into play is solid. The evoke is next to worthless though.

Faultgrinder- Expensive but solid, 6 for a 4/4 trampler is 1 too many but this has a Stone Rain attached. At 5 mana the evoke ability is way too expensive(4 would have been decent). All up solid limited pick, might be worth it in some sort of Land Destruction deck in constructed.

[Slio9]

shock hasn't becasue when your opponent plays a turn 2 goyf with no yard, the shock can kill it, the tribal shock cannot.

the 8 mana guy seems good in multiples

[Davidesle]

Originally Posted by ludd_gang

So Counsel of the Soratami is now obsolete too?

So that's Shock, Henge of Ramos, Counsel of the Soratami, Wall of Wood (again), Aggressive Urge (granted, its superior is a shift to )... Anything else I'm missing?

Don't forget Warrior's Honor.

[ZasZ234]

Originally Posted by fnord

Hmm...how does this work with Rings of Brighthearth? And is it a mana ability always, never, or just the third time?

EDIT: OK, I looked it up. It's always a mana ability. So it can't be responded to and doesn't use the stack.

Read again! It's not a mana ability - ever. Abilities with targets always use the stack.

for reference (emphasis mine):

Originally Posted by comp. rules

406.1 A mana ability is either (a) an activated ability without a target that could put mana into a player's mana pool when it resolves or (b) a triggered ability without a target that triggers from a mana ability and could produce additional mana.

greetings
Z

[MDenham]

Originally Posted by Kid A

That's not how it works - the ability can certainly target a trampler as many times as you want, but it doesn't add mana every three activations, only on the third activation of each turn; no infinite mana here...

Well, unless there's some way to blink him for less than two mana, that's true (or if there's some sort of cost reducer available).

Outside of block, him + Heartstone + Skyshroud Elf + some means to repeatedly blink him for 4 mana or less = a (kludgy, inefficient, but still amusing) way to get infinite mana, or at least however much you decide you need.