An uneasy silence greets you this morning. Instead of assembling in the main chamber, people don't seem to be getting farther than the upstairs landing of the main staircase. Now that there are only five of you, there's plenty of space up there.
Five? Uh oh. I guess that would explain the downstairs landing of the main staircase. Things were going bump in the night, you see. In this case, it was RafaelK going bump bump bump as his body tumbled down the stairs. Your group timidly proceeds down the stairs as one, to inspect the corpse more closely. It's unclear exactly what caused RafaelK's death - it could have been falling down the stairs, certainly, but it may also have something to do with the gaping chest wound he's suffered.
At first it appears that his hands have been stuck with knives, but when they don't come out, you realize in visceral horror that in fact each of his hands has a set of five wicked-looking claws attached. Your horror turns to excitement as you realize that another member of the nefarious mafia may be dead. To settle the matter once and for all, you proceed to RafaelK's room.
The room is almost completely bare except for a dresser filled with argyle sweaters and a bed in the corner. Lying on the dresser is a note:
"If you're actually reading this note and are still alive, chances are I'm dead. I was on your side from the beginning, sheep. Not a wolf like those others... something else. Something greater. A man has to eat, though. Surely you understand?"
Cryptic, to be certain, but it seems to exculpate RafaelK from having been actively working against you. Unforunately, it also means someone else is still working against you - and whoever or whatever they are, they were able to fell this beast of a man.
RafaelK, Kevin, Townie Serial Killer, is dead. Suddenly, what was once a game has gotten deadly serious.
Day 4 has begun. With 5 players alive, it's 3 to lynch.
Agreeing with bateleur on that. HC's explanation sounds convincing and doesn't run contrary to my previous experience of arim as a mod. Fuss over nothing.
I think we gain more by pursuing someone who is essentially either vanilla or deadly (RafK), than we do chancing a lynch on potentially a double-voting, unlynchable townie (Az), or a doctor (bat).
With three votes of the four needed to lynch on him, I think it's time for CPE to be totally straightforward with us. This whole "I'm in 10 games" and "reason behind LAL" is not something I'm recalling from my time here on MTGS?
(by the way, if both Bate and CPE are scum, then I'd bet on CPE's ability being the most dangerous one. But that's beyond the point, I find CPE to be scummier than Bate right now, so there I go)
(By the way, if both Bate and CPE are scum, then I’d bet on CPE’s ability being the most dangerous one.
Here's a partial translation of Azrael's first post today:
Quote from Azrael, according to bateleur"s translation »
ATTACKED
AGAIN
FEELS
LIKE
?????? ?
BLOOD
SCALP
HATE
U
BAT
VOTE
GONE
TODAY
??????
FINE
WILL
USE
CHECKING
IF
CAN
TRY
VOTE
Attacked again? Oh rly? No you weren't Az, because I doc-protected ZDS last night and I can't protect and drain on the same night.
Fortunately I don't think we need to play "spot the liar". If I'm lynched today that still leaves the town with a 2-to-1 majority tomorrow, so unless Az really is a multivoter, we win.
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Apologies for the double post, just wanted to put up a translation of Azrael's other smiley-speak comment:
Quote from Azrael, according to bateleur"s translation »
RECEIVED
RESPONSE
MAY
"Vote: Azrael"
BUT
GRAMMAR
CORRECT
ABILITY
ONLY
WORKS
ON
MISTAKES
FROM
CURRENT
DAY
NEED
SOME
MISTAKES
PLZ
THREE
FROM
ONE
OR
MORE
PEOPLE
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You should wait for DYH to check in before voting. You may have picked a stupid target last night, but it doesn't follow that he did.
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What do you know about my target from last night ?
That you wouldn't be voting for me if you targeted me (as you should have done) or Azrael.
Not worth discussing, though. Too late to do anything about it now.
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I watched Azrael last night - he did not leave his room.
Good call.
But... wut?! Two Mafia left is just nuts - that would make three Mafia and a Neutral from twelve players.
You wouldn't, would you arimnaes?!
I'm kinda sad now, I thought we had this in the bag, but now we've evidently lost. ZDS will die tonight and that's a scum win if there are tow left.
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Vote: bateleur
I'm town. Seriously.
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I'm not lying dude - we've either lost this or something super weird is going on.
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You've all just about had it with that cocky bateleur - always skulking around in the shadows, shooting odd glances in the general direction of your necks. Your group begins to round on him, causing him to back up towards the wall of the main chamber.
"Blaahh, you've all got it all wrong, friends! I could no sooner harm one of you than I could myself," bateleur intones in his thick Transylvanian accent. "Search me, search my room, you'll find nothing at all suspicious!"
At that point, he walks backwards into the wall, causing a glass jar of something to fall from his pocket and shatter on the floor. Blood splatters all over the wood, leaking out of the vial and onto the floorboards.
"Blaahh... it still doesn't prove anything!"
Azrael pushes to the front of your group and points an accusing finger at bateleur's hunched figure. "That's my blood you've been bottling! You ripped my hair out last night, too!"
"No," says ZDS sheepishly, "that was me."
"Well, nevertheless."
"But I'm a blahhh...erhem, excuse me, I'm a licensed medical professional!"
"Aharr! Stow it, ye filthy fanged bilge rat!" Before anyone knows what's happening, Hunted Charlie has leapt forward and pierced bateleur's chest with a long piece of wood. Bateleur lets out an inhuman howl and vanishes in a billow of black smoke.
"Good work, Charles," says ZDS, "but where did you get a wooden... oh." His gaze travels to HC's right leg... or lack thereof.
"Aye. Looks like our work here be done, landlubbers."
"Looks like our work here is done, you smelly old pirate!" Azrael's face shows abject fury, and in a flash she produces a thousand-page dictionary and swats HC in the face with it. The pirate stumbles, unable to keep his balance on one leg. He hits the floor hard - but not as hard as he's hit by the second and third swings of Azrael's dictionary. Blood stains the A through D sections, and Hunted Charlie, The Kindly Corsair, Townie Pirate, stops moving for good.
ZDS looks horrified. "DYH, you've gotta help me! The little girl's gone crazy!" The woman standing behind him remains silent.
"DYH?"
Any further inquires that ZDS might have had are quite literally cut short as DYH's katana slices off his head. The decapitated body of ZDS, a.k.a. Puzzle, Townie Analyst/Mason, hits the floor like a lead weight.
"It was a pleasure working with you," says Azrael, A 9-year-old Girl, Mafia Grammar Nazi.
Blaaaaaaaah! Armed with a pair of sharp fangs and an M.D., you've headed out into the world to start your own medical practice - blood transfusions being your specialty, of course. Being a doctor doesn't mean you're not still Dracula. Aside from keeping a little blood for yourself with each "transaction", though, you're completely on the level.
Your Abilities: You currently have one pint of blood in storage. Each night, you can draw an additional pint of blood from another player. Losing a pint of blood will temporarily weaken that player, however, which could have all kinds of adverse effects. Choose your victims volunteers carefully.
On any night you don't draw blood, you can spend any number of stored pints of blood. Each pint allows you to protect one other player from one kill that night.
Your win condition: The scum must die.
MOD NOTES: The "adverse effects" referred to in the PM are as follows: If one other player (besides Dr. Dracula) targeted the blood donor on that night, then the donor would lose all power to vote on the following day. If multiple other players targeted the blood donor, then they (the donor) would die.
Azrael, Townie Analyst/Mason
You're the ineffable. The Maestro. The man with the plan. You and your associate, Puzzle, are two of the best analysts and strongest personalities of the MTGS Mafia subforum. Together you represent a veritable force of nature, making scum groups the forum over tremble in their boots. Then again, you're an ambitious fellow, and Puzzle is one of the only forum dwellers who could contest you as the best player in town. This recent outbreak of mafia violence could be more of an opportunity that you first realized…
Your abilities: You may freely communicate with Puzzle (played by ZeDorkSlipeur) at night. Each night, the two of you can target a player an analyze them thoroughly, determining their rolename and alignment. If either of you is disrupted in regards to this ability, then both of you are.
Your win condition: The scum must die, and so must Puzzle.
Puzzle, Townie Analyst/Mason
Italy may get the credit for the real-life mafia, but when it comes to the forum version, there's no disupting the mastery of the French. You're recognized across the forum as not just the number one French scum-hunter, but the number one scum-hunter period. Or you would be, if it weren't for that pompous twerp Azrael and his wild, attention-grabbing antics. Honestly - you do all the footwork, and Slappy McAragorn takes all the credit. Plus, you got lynched day 1 in that farce he calls Sin City Mafia. When you found out you'd been paired up with him yet again, you finally snapped. It's become clear to you: Azrael must die.
Your abilities: You may freely communicate with Azrael (played by Sutherlands) at night. Each night, the two of you can target a player an analyze them thoroughly, determining their rolename and alignment. If either of you is disrupted in regards to this ability, then both of you are.
Your win condition: The scum must die, and so must Azrael.
MOD NOTES: If one the masons died, the ability would no longer reveal alignment, only role name. Their ability "resolves" before kills, however, so if one is killed during the night, the other will still get all the info. As indicated in the PM, if either one was roleblocked or redirected, the entire ability was affected. They both count as targeting a player for the purposes of being seen by the Corsair or Miho, but they do not count as multiple players for the purposes of harming someone who had blood drawn from them on that night.
The Fourth Fan, Townie Cheerleader
That Simon Cowell - what a hunk! In fact, you were on your way to a live performance of American Idol with three of your friends and a bunch of other random people when you got a little lost. After walking for what seemed like years, you wound up in this backward little town of Mafia Salvation. And Idol won't be back on until next January! Whoever set you up is going to pay, big time.
Your abilities: Stranded without a T.V. or way to communicate with Simon Cowell, your mindless adoration will no-doubt find a new subject. At night, you can choose another player for whom to cheer. Your flattery will grant that player an extra vote on the following day, and the number of votes required to lynch them will increase by 1, to a maximum of the number of players alive - 1. You cannot cheer for a player who voted for you on the previous day. That kind of personal slight just sets your blood boiling!
Your win condition: Two! Four! Six! Eight! All the scum must meet their fate!
MOD NOTES: None.
Zhou Yu, Shu Sage
Along with 23 other dead Chinese guys, you were brought in to participate in Romance of the Three Kingdoms Mafia. Unfortunately, you didn't make the final cut, and after the first five or so months of spectating, your patience finally ran thin and you wandered off. How you came to arrive in Mafia Salvation is a bit of a mystery even to you - you're fairly certain the Mystics didn't have this in mind. Nevertheless, since you didn't get a chance to eliminate the foul Wei, you're glad to help mop up whatever honorless scoundrels are running this town.
Your abilities: Once during the game, at night, you may focus your sagacious intellect on another player and attempt to divine their honesty. I will tell you (to the best of my knowledge) whether or not that player lied during the previous day.
MOD NOTES: None.
The Kindly Corsair
Player: Hunted Charlie Allegiance: Crown... er... Town
Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr! Shiver me timbers! Avaaaaaast! While you're well-versed in all the standard pirate rhetoric, you're basically a decent old seadog. Not like that ruthless twin brother of yours. Come to think of it, you haven't seen him since he sailed to Azureia about a year ago. Huh. Anyway, it was a few days ago that your flagship got lost in a mysterious fog, and you had to put into port at Mafia Salvation - a strange place, to be sure. Fortunately you and your crew are well up to the task of unraveling this mystery.
Special Powers: - At night, you may dispatch your pirate crew to keep watch on another player. At the end of the night, they will report back and tell you what other players, if any, targeted that player during the night. Of course, a bunch of half-soused, one-eyed, peg-legged pirates don't make the most reliable watchmen, but they've got to be better than nothing… right? - A lifetime on the high seas has given you a rather distinctive dialect. You must speak like a pirate in your posts. If you fail to follow this post restriction, you will be unable to use your watching ability on the following night.
MOD NOTES: As hinted in the PM, the pirates are not 100% reliable as watchers. If no players target the one they're watching, they will incorrectly identify a random player (other than the corsair or the target) as having targeted that player.
Your nation is FOR US. 'US' being, I suppose, the town of Mafia Salvation. Anyway, as the most populous country in the world, you have a deathgrip on the global economy. Whenever you make a post whose number in the game thread is a multiple of 40, you gain the ability to 'outsource' another player's ability. Starting with the player with the lowest number of posts in the thread, you can set the target of any abilities they might use until the start of the next day. You will not be informed as to whether or not they used any abilities, or if they even have any.
You will be informed by the mod each time you have gained the ability to outsource a player's abilities. Once (and if) you decide to choose the target of their abilities, you cannot change your selection.
Victory condition: All AGAINST US nations eliminated. Oh, and the scum, too. Gotta eliminate them.
MOD NOTES: After one day/night cycle, the ability was limited to affecting three players per day. After another day, it dropped to two players, and then one player on all days after that.
RafaelK, Town- Kevin
When you first came to Cardinal Roark, you were a tormented boy. Tormented by guilt. Tormented by the sick hungers that raged inside you, that you had no power to control.
The eating. It fills you with white light. Sometimes, you can swear you even feel the touch of God.
Then there was that incident in the town hall. The bodies. They were everywhere. Many of them left there by you. Torn up. Slashed apart. Strewn across the floor, in the closets, in the beds and in the fireplace. And eventually you joined them, dozens of bullet holes bored in your chest by your confused and frightened prey. Little did they realize just how much you'd helped them before you died.
Then you found yourself here, somehow - Mafia Salvation. Dead, alive… they all seem to end up here. More people on whom to practice your art. But your tastes have refined somewhat since your days in Sin City. The flesh of the innocent makes a nice meal, but the guilty seem to have an extra… spicy edge.
Time to go earn your meal.
Your abilities: Once during the game, at any time during the day, you may brutally dismember another player. Simply PM me your request and they will die. You must use your kill and sate your hunger before the game ends, or you lose.
Win condition: The scum must die.
MOD NOTES: None.
Erestor, Neutral False-Claim
Hey, it was either this or Radagast the Brown. Pick your poison. Anyway, since your inception into the MTGS Mafia subculture, you've become a byword for dishonesty, shiftlessness, and incredibly poorly-thought-out lies. And why not? Fame is fame. If you're going to be known for something, it might as well be the fact that elephants are purple. I mean, the fact that you're a compulsive liar. But now it seems that the very culture of MTGS Mafia in which you persist may be in danger! You've made up your mind - you've got to stick around to stand as a beacon of hope for all those poor souls who couldn't false-claim to save their lives.
Your abilities: On any day that you false claim (i.e., claim an untrue name and an untrue role) in your first post of that day, you become immune to nightkills on the following night. You only gain this immunity if you stick to your false claim as being true for the entirety of the day. You can disavow it or stick to it on following days as you see fit, though you can only gain immunity again by claiming something new and completely different.
Additionally, each of your posts must contain a lie. It can be something game-related (including a false claim to set up your immunity), or something totally irrelevant to the game, as long as it's factually untrue. If you fail to follow this restriction, you will get one warning. After that, you will be modkilled.
You may never claim, hint at, or even vaguely allude to any aspect of your actual role. If you do, you will be modkilled.
Your win condition: Survive to the end of the game.
Bio: You are the evil duplicate of the MTGS Moderator fadeblue, brought here along with your fellow mafia members to participate in my little game. Just to make it fair, all members of the mafia know that their Federation counterparts are not present in this game and are therefore completely safe claims for you. If you, um, want to claim a Star Trek character, that is. Hey, it's worked before.
Like your alter ego, you were born on Earth and are a hardcore otaku. In your universe, you quickly rose to power at the MTGS forums, banning all who stood in your way. Now the time has come to seize the mafia forums once and for all. All that remains is to deal with the dregs of your small-time past.
Your fellow teammates from the Mirror Universe:
None
But your fellow scum are chamber (Miho) and Azrael (A Nine-year-old Girl).
Ability: Mod powers
Description: As Moderator of the Mafia Subforum, you have the ability to sever other player's forum access. Each night, you can target a player and block them from using any abilities that night. You cannot use this ability if you are performing the mafia's kill for the night.
Additionally, being a moderator gives you a few extra immunities, which will likely soon be stripped from you. Until the beginning of Day 2, you cannot be lynched, and alignment investigations will show you as town.
Win Condition: The mafia must equal or outnumber the other players.
MOD NOTES: A failed lynch on fadeblue would end the day. If he was investigated on the first night, his name would simply have been reported as "Fadeblue." (and he would show as town, obviously.)
A 9-year-old Girl, Mafia Grammar Nazi
Quote from carrion pigeons »
Did you all seriously just lynch a player based on punctuation?
Yes. Yes they did.
It was 18 months ago now that your sloppy typing skills resulted in the death of not just one person, but an entire nation. Singapore, to be exact. From that day forth you vowed to develop new respect for grammar, and have since become something of a stickler yourself. Thing is… killing all those people over a few missing periods was strangely exhilarating. You began to hunger for it more and more, until you eventually resorted to a life of petty crime, holding up banks and convenience stores to fund your spiraling dictionary addiction. One day, you ended up in Mafia Salvation, where someone calling himself "Fadeblue" took you in, nurturing your twin obsessions of grammar and violence. Now that he's taken you on full-time as part of his mafia, you know your skills will be put to good use. Your fellow scum are the Evil Mirror Universe Duplicate of Fadeblue (Xyre) and Miho (chamber).
Your abilities: If you correct a player's grammar or spelling during the day (you must quote the incorrect usage and supply a correction), your vote counts double against that player until the end of the day. If you correct a player's grammar three times in one day, then you will have discredited them so much that their vote will count one less against you for the remainder of that day. Neither of these abilities function if you performed the mafia kill the previous night.
Your win condition: The mafia must equal or outnumber the other players.
MOD NOTES: None.
chamber, Mafia- Miho
Deadly little Miho. You’re an angel. You’re a saint. You’re Mother Teresa. You’re Elvis. You’re a God. They won’t feel a thing unless you want them to. Like that big guy, strangling the little man in his room. His blood painted the floor that night. They were both your friends. Now they're dead.
You took a bullet in the head four nights later. But here you are, somehow. You've ended up in the mists of this strange little town of Mafia Salvation. The borders between life and death seem awfully blurred these days.
That's when "Fadeblue" approached you. That's how he gave his name, but he seemed somehow… darker, than how you'd always imagined him. He made sense. Offered to clear it all up for you, make the pain and confusion go away. And all you have to do is help him remove a few of his obstacles. And why not? You've killed at least two innocents already. What are a few more bodies in a world between life and death?
Your abilities: Each night, you may choose another player to shadow. You will learn what players, if any, they target with abilities that night. If you discover that they have used an ability on a member of the mafia, you can then sacrifice yourself to kill that player.
You cannot use this ability if you are performing the mafia's kill for the night.
Known Mafia Agents: Xyre, Azrael
Win condition: The mafia must equal or outnumber the other players.
Well played to DYH particularly. I never suspected for a moment!
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Day 1: AlphaInsidious outsources Hunted Charlie's abilities to carrion pigeons
AlphaInsidious outsources chamber's abilities to RafaelK
AlphaInsidious outsources Sutherlands' abilities to Xyre
AlphaInsidious outsources creampuffeater's abilities to Sutherlands
AlphaInsidious outsources Azrael's abilities to RafaelK
AlphaInsidious outsources RafaelK's abilities to Sutherlands
AlphaInsidious outsources Kenji's abilities to carrion pigeons
RafaelK daykills Kenji and is redirected to Sutherlands
Night 1:
bateleur draws blood from Azrael
ZDS name-cops Hunted Charlie
Xyre blocks Hunted Charlie
Azrael performs the mafia kill on carrion pigeons
AlphaInsidious outsources carrion pigeons' abilities to bateleur
chamber tracks bateleur and is redirected to RafaelK
Night 2:
bateleur uses 2 pints of blood to protect ZDS and creampuffeater
ZDS name-cops AlphaInsidious
Azrael performs the mafia kill on AlphaInsidious
DYH tracks ZDS
Night 3:
bateleur draws blood from Azrael
ZDS name-cops Azrael (Az loses ability to vote on following day)
DYH performs the mafia kill on RafaelK
In fairness, that probably is due more to HC's out-of-sight, out-of-mind oversight as a result of never having his watching ability active. A pair of masons with inspection ability, a watcher, a doc, and a tracker on the side of the town? Something probably should have clicked there.
Azrael played a tremendous game, especially in the segment you couldn't see (at night). His insights and inferences really are quite impressive. I thought he was done for Day Three, but then in usual Azrael style, busted out a successful massive defense. He's definitely my vote for Mafia MVP.
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
First of all, regardless of what you may have thought or expected, all roles were distributed completely randomly. I have not in fact read any of Kung Fu mafia, so the fact that Kenji's falseclaim from that game existed in here as a role is itself amusing, much less the fact that it was assigned to him.
Likewise, CP being the fourth fan was humorous, but not done intentionally.
Day 1: AlphaInsidious goes nutty with his ability for no reason I was able to discern, which causes problems immediately as RafaelK's daykill on Kenji is redirected to Sutherlands, forcing the town to waste its lynch. Fortunately, despite using the ability 8 times, AI does not interfere with any other town abilities. Xyre is on the ropes for a while, with chamber prodding in his direction, but does not claim to be unlynchable. Xyre ends up being rather unfortunate, as the town does not attempt to lynch him, nor is he investigated the following night, but he is under a huge amount of suspicion going into Day 2. Pretty much the worst possible outcome, given his role.
One very amusing thing to note is that had Sutherlands not been daykilled, the cop investigation would have been redirected to the godfather. In that way, AI redeemed himself, if only by undoing the mess he made in the first place.
Night 1: Not much to note here, other than the fact that ZDS lucked out and targeted the one townie whose name arguably indicated their alignment.
Day 2: bateleur comes under suspicion for reasons I never quite understood. Something about his playstyle, I presume, because he didn't look too scummy to me. That could be because I knew he was town, however. RafaelK's efforts, while well-intentioned, nearly lead the town to lynch its doctor on Day 2. Fortunately, Xyre comes up as a safer lynch for the town. I thought it should have been obvious that Xyre was lying about his role after he claimed a vig shot and then immediately refused to use it, but again, moderator's perspective. The lynch goes through, however, and the mafia is deprived of a roleblocker. But will it be enough to turn the tide?
Night 2: Not much of note happens here. The mafia are shooting for the cop, who is (to their knowledge) still a looming potential threat. In reality, the only really useful thing ZDS can do with his name-cop at this point is to find Erestor, which will likely help the mafia anyway since CPE would be lynched. Bateleur uses all his blood, presumably in case he gets nightkilled, but the mafia decide to leave him around as a potential mislynch.
Day 3: Azrael vs. bateleur... FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!! By this time, everyone seems to be in general agreement that bateleur is really scummy, an attitude which perplexes me, since he correctly fingered Xyre and is an uncountered doc. I was disappointed that bateleur gave up and went for CPE as a compromise candidate, since at that point it seemed like getting Azrael lynched would be the only way to clear his own name.
I was disappointed that no one, town or mafia, proposed the correct solution to the redirector issue - that it had been AI, who was now dead. The people who would have been in the best position to do so, of course, would be DYH and RafaelK, both of whom had experience the redirection themselves. Their bodies obeyed "millions and billions of voices" in their head, which referred to everyone in China crying out to stop them. Unfortunately, this didn't click when AI died and I wrote "all 1.3 billion of him." It was slightly amusing to see both sides planning around the interference of a redirector who no longer existed.
Night 3: The mafia are very close to winning, now. Unless something bizarre happens, Azrael will be able to activate his double vote, and he and DYH can singlehandedly lynch a townie for the win.
Of course, something bizarre does happen, namely that ZDS flips a coin and decides to name-cop Azrael, causing him to lose the ability to vote! There was, of course, much roffling on my part.
Day 4: When ZDS comes out and immediately votes bateleur, I start thinking maybe this day won't be as interesting as I'd hoped. Several hours later, bateleur puts himself out of his misery, which is unfortunate, since he only would have had to convince Hunted Charlie of his innocence in order to survive (on account of Azrael being unable to hammer him.)
Well..basically, I'm the reason that you died Sutherlands, inadvertently but still. I uh...used my ability, a lot, but it didn't do much except for that, as Arim explained.
Sorry
Even more unfortunate is the fact that the scum were then able to use my meddlings to try to push blame on Bateleur as the redirector...which was me...who was dead.
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Lies! -I'm Buffy Summers, town tracker. I used my ability on you and saw that you didn't use any abilities before the game started. My flavor is I was sucked through a mysterious space-time portal and I'm here to kill all the vampires, and my tracking ability is a combination of my Slayer and Native American skills.
We had a lucky break on night 2. DYH was targeted by China's redirection the same night we had him killed, and that combined with the "townie outsourcer" rolename gave us a good clue who the true redirecter really was. So when we went after Bat for being a mind-controlling vamp, we already knew that no one else was going to step up and take responsibility.
EDIT: Bah, 'nathed.
Wonderfully fun game; I was on the edge of my seat towards the end on those last few days, when Bat launched his attack out of nowhere while my voting abilities were disabled from having performed the kill. Then, ZDS disabled my voting abilities for today when we thought we'd have the lynch all locked up thanks to my double vote. That opened a very frightening possiblity that the town would figure out that the only smart lynch remaining to them was me (assuming the scum started with two players (which would be the standard proportion for a town this size)).
The way it worked was that if I was townie and my vote had been stolen by scum, the town would not be able to successfully lynch either of the two remaining scum for lack of a vote. The day would either end in no lynch or a townie lynch. Faced with that, the town's only play would be to lynch me and hope that I was scum. But the day ended before that realization came to light.
I don't think anyone played a really terrible game, although AI's early debauchery caused some bizarre things to happen that potentially changed the course of the game.
TOWN MVP: I'd have to go with bateleur, here. He and ZDS were right on the money with Xyre, early, but ZDS loses points for catching the mysterious anti-bat fever that broke out on day 2. I wish bateleur had held out longer on Day 4, so that the town could have realized this:
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The way it worked was that if I was townie and my vote had been stolen by scum, the town would not be able to successfully lynch either of the two remaining scum for lack of a vote. The day would either end in no lynch or a townie lynch. Faced with that, the town's only play would be to lynch me and hope that I was scum. But the day ended before that realization came to light.
Which was also on my mind.
Still, bateleur managed to I.D. 2 out of 3 scum, including the one who had been hiding behind a faked posting restriction since day 1. Speaking of which...
MAFIA MVP: Azrael. None of the mafia played badly (I think Xyre tripped up early, but did the best job he could to fix it), and DYH/chamber were solid in their play, but ultimately Az had the longest odds to beat and managed to beat them. The faked PR was ingenious, since it meant he got to voice opinions without having to justify them. I was surprised no one questioned why a 9-year-old Girl had that restriction, but he retconned it well when he fullclaimed.
Btw, my main reasoning for all of that targeting was that the ability was unfamiliar to me, and I figured if I simply outsourced one person, I might have killed someone innocent, but if I did several, the chaos could hit at least one scum potentially, or out someone in a redirected investigation, etc...
It's not every day that your ability can do that, and that has more upside than vanilla townie.
It's a game, folks.
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Lies! -I'm Buffy Summers, town tracker. I used my ability on you and saw that you didn't use any abilities before the game started. My flavor is I was sucked through a mysterious space-time portal and I'm here to kill all the vampires, and my tracking ability is a combination of my Slayer and Native American skills.
I almost pulled it out in spite of playing badly. It reached the point Day 2 where there were 4 people (Chamber, HC, ZDS, and bat) who wanted me lynched, and the rest were ambivalent/leaning to my side. Had Az not bused me, I probably could have narrowly pulled it off, shot ZDS during the night, and gotten Raf lynched, or shot Raf and gotten bat lynched. Either way.
But I can definitely see why Az bused me. At that point, even if I pulled it off, I was a liability.
As for my claim... I thought it was clever when I came up with it, flavor-wise, but the execution was bad. I could perhaps say I was blocked (being the person who would have done the blocking, it wouldn't have been hard) but the number of bluffs I'd have to make made the claim difficult to work with. In retrospect, I should have just claimed roleblocker and bluffed at that.
Anyway, Mafia MVP's definitely Az. I don't know who to choose for Town MVP; probably bat, although I think ZDS played the best up until the last day.
Also, masons with investigations? That's broken, in my opinion, especially if they can use the ability even if one is dead (although the limitation's not bad, the likelihood of the mafia shooting a mason while the "cop" might still be out there makes this role rather unfair. Then again, the mafia did have some pretty solid and townie abilities).
Other than that, it was a great game. Thanks for the opportunity.
So the whole smiley thing was a false-claim from the beginning, eh? I have to say, Az had me completely over a barrel the whole game.
I cannot BELIEVE you guys rushed cpe off the cliff :/ One of bat and Azrael had to be lynched to resolve that... I can't say I would have gone for Azrael over bat necessarily, because bat's claim and play were incredibly suspicous (not knowing that AI was responsible for the redirect... THANKS AI!)... once HC was inspected, I'd actually suspected Az and bat of scum together, especially once Az started trying to make it so that someone other than he or bat got lynched (I always figure I can pick Azrael easily as scum when he talks... the smiley claim was GENIOUS from a number of angles, not least of which is that he got to avoid talking). My absence was very badly timed from that point of view. About the only time when I had any sort of grip on this game :/
I also assume I was killed for being the only person to point out that DYH wasn't cleared?
Az deserved to win just for the smily claim, really. And DYH/chamber did a great job of staying under the radar.
I correct players' grammar. If I correct them once, my vote counts double against them. If I correct a player's grammar three times in a day, their vote counts one less against me.
I've already documented three or more grammar mistakes for every player alive within the game, including the mod, ready to post.
I'd say we can probably submit the kill, now.
*thinks* Although if you think that Rafaelk is an even safer bet than HC, feel free to blast him, too. But that's on you.
It was actually a last-minute decision. Two reasons, really. One, you were less likely to be protected, and two (most importantly that had occurred to me as well) if you could still kill, you were a liability to us winning today with a mislynch.
I cannot BELIEVE you guys rushed cpe off the cliff :/ One of bat and Azrael had to be lynched to resolve that... I can't say I would have gone for Azrael over bat necessarily, because bat's claim and play were incredibly suspicous (not knowing that AI was responsible for the redirect... THANKS AI!)... once HC was inspected, I'd actually suspected Az and bat of scum together, especially once Az started trying to make it so that someone other than he or bat got lynched (I always figure I can pick Azrael easily as scum when he talks... the smiley claim was GENIOUS from a number of angles, not least of which is that he got to avoid talking). My absence was very badly timed from that point of view.
I also assume I was killed for being the only person to point out that DYH wasn't cleared?
Az deserved to win just for the smily claim, really. And DYH did a great job of staying under the radar.
We were worried about your analysis, and we wanted to 100% guarantee that we would push home the kill for that night in order to set up the double-vote win. Plus we were worried that you might have another kill up your sleeve to disrupt the vote-for-the-win plan.
I did think it was funny that Miho was nightkilling Kevin. That's why I put so much effort into describing that scene from both points of view.
For those interested:
Night 1, Az killed CP by beating him over the head with a dictionary.
Night 2, Az killed AI by point out a grammar mistake on something he'd written, causing AI to have a massive brain seizure from the embarassment.
Night 3, DYH and Raf had an epic duel that ended with Miho driving her wakizashi through Kevin's chest, and him falling down the stairs.
Wait, so Arim accidentally counted az' double vote and then corrected it after he realized az performed the kill, and az used that fact to try and successfully clear him? Brilliant.
Also, great game setup, so much nostalgia.
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Wait, so Arim accidentally counted az' double vote and then corrected it after he realized az performed the kill, and az used that fact to try and successfully clear him? Brilliant.
That's right. I was mortified when I realized my mistake, because I knew it was going to be used as a metagame point either for or against Azrael's claim.
Incidentally, Az, some of the alleged "grammar mistakes" you identified in that last day post were unadulterated BS. Especially all the times you wanted to spell arimnaes or bateleur with a capital letter
arimnaes might want to referee, but I have a suspicion that you didn't have three on me. Hell, I would dispute every single one of mine you quoted.
That's right. I was mortified when I realized my mistake, because I knew it was going to be used as a metagame point either for or against Azrael's claim.
To be fair, while it was going to be used as a point for or against his claim, it took intellegence to come up with a claim like az did that included it.
I was damn impressed.
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god... I have to say, that I probably defended myself horribly, but not being able to say the truth really hurt. I thought you would laugh out at ADD kid, and that would be gone... should NOT of stuck with that. Overall, great game scum. I really thought bat was the scum in the Bat--- Az argument. Thank you Arim, though I know you must of hated me for all my comments/questions on what I could/n't say
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But I can definitely see why Az bused me. At that point, even if I pulled it off, I was a liability.
I actually didn't realize that I was hammering you at the time. I agree that the town probably would have followed through on you sooner or later, with or without us.
Incidentally, Az, some of the alleged "grammar mistakes" you identified in that last day post were unadulterated BS. Especially all the times you wanted to spell arimnaes or bateleur with a capital letter
arimnaes might want to referee, but I have a suspicion that you didn't have three on me. Hell, I would dispute every single one of mine you quoted.
Good thing you didn't need it, really
Hmm, maybe so. My English major skillz are mostly intuitive, rather than analytical. Pretty sure that "neither" was correct though, and proper names are usually capped. Whether SNs count as proper names...*shrug*
I really thought bat was the scum in the Bat--- Az argument.
So did I, actually.
While we argued I couldn't shake the feeling that I was arguing with some sort of neutral or SK role. When he came up fully townie I was mildly surprised.
Also, masons with investigations? That's broken, in my opinion, especially if they can use the ability even if one is dead (although the limitation's not bad, the likelihood of the mafia shooting a mason while the "cop" might still be out there makes this role rather unfair. Then again, the mafia did have some pretty solid and townie abilities).
I did think the roles were powerful, but as the town's doctor was potentially worse than a straight doc, and the town's other information roles were not very useful (HC's ability could screw up without him knowing, and Kenji's one-shot was pretty weak) I decided they needed something potent. And the mason-cops still aren't strictly better than a regular cop:
PROS:
- One player can die and the other can still get some info
- One less player as an unknown quantity, meaning a greater chance of hitting scum with an investigation
CONS:
- The cop as an entity is twice as likely to be killed, twice as likely to be roleblocked, and twice as likely to be redirected
- The name-cop ability by itself is not very useful, since the only players with alignment-establishing names are the Kindly Corsair, the Evil Duplicate, and Erestor (who's actually neutral, rather than straight scum.)
And of course there was the Tom and Jerry aspect to their roles, which could have caused strange things to happen if both players had survived the first couple of days.
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Not at all. Your role was easily the most complex (with the possible exception of 9-year-old girl), and I definitely would have been just as cautious if I'd had to play it.
I don't think I would have started falseclaiming for immunity as early as you did, however, simply because it made you look horribly inconsistent later on. Then again, that was the point of the Erestor role - you had to walk a fine line between trying to avoid being lynched and trying to avoid being nightkilled.
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While we argued I couldn't shake the feeling that I was arguing with some sort of neutral or SK role. When he came up fully townie, I was mildly surprised.
The fact that he kept beating you up every night probably didn't assuage your fears, either.
I don't think I would have started falseclaiming for immunity as early as you did, however, simply because it made you look horribly inconsistent later on. Then again, that was the point of the Erestor role - you had to walk a fine line between trying to avoid being lynched and trying to avoid being nightkilled.
I wanted to try and make it seem delibret later on if I needed to claim, and if I had a pattern of false claiming first post, i hoped somebody would see it and notice it might be part of my role. That of course backfired, and made me look even worse when they noticed. Oh well, I think playing that role was quite a new experiance.
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cpe: I think you played it pretty well, on the whole, except that you were too believable and consistent on the ADD kid thing. If you'd changed your story every other post and told really outrageous lies, it probably would have worked better.
I mean, how would we know how many games you're in?
heh, along with some other stuff I threw in there, saying it was Shea's birthday a day late, saying i was kicking ass in a game i got lynched in. Fun times with some of those lies. The 10 games thing was just for you to get a idea I was constantly lying. And had I known what you were doing while I was in NYC, I would of said my claim was BS. You put WAY to much effort into that, and I had no time to say STOP ACK IM GONNA DIE!. Thanks for the advice though, and I will be ready for MTGS REDUX REDUX MAFIA (NOW INCLUDING ERESTOR!)
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Good game, I regret nothing.
One question to Charles, though : why not claim you were a restricted watcher? It would have pointed to DYH as an auto-scum, and significantly changed the end game.
Er, I should have a good excuse here involving something about the multiple town kill-roles, or something, but the truth is that I just forgot. Considering I had never gotten a chance to use my role... the entire game... I also for some reason forgot that I hadn't full-claimed yet (since I had claimed everything except the tracker bit), and I guess that helped.
Here would be my picks for MVPs/LVPs:
Town MVP: ZeDorkSlipeur - He really played an incredible cop, made good investigates, and played well even when he was just discussing like a normal townie. I know Bateleur was right in the end, but I do think that he could have done more to stop his own lynch. I look through the game, and Bateleur still seems to have odd off-moments and look quite scummy at parts.
Town LVP: Hunted Charlie - Sooo... Makes some stupid points, forgets his PR. And again. And again. And again. Never gets a chance to use his role, then forgets to claim it when it's really necessary. Only lives thanks to a cop investigation. Also likes to talk about self in third person.
Mafia MVP: Azrael - DYH and Azrael both played good games here, but Azrael was just extraordinary. He was the subject of almost no suspicion until the Bat/Az endgame, and even there he won out.
Mafia LVP: Xyre - His game wasn't altogether bad (he had some moments where I thought he was town), but most of the game when he was living, he was pretty blatant scum. Of course, it doesn't help that he's being compared to DYH and Azrael, who played very very well.
Arimnaes: This was a great game, one of my favorites (if not my favorite!). Host another one soon! And PM me too.
I wish bateleur had held out longer on Day 4, so that the town could have realized this
That situation was way, way more complex than it seemed. I'll walk you through the game from my perspective and you'll see why...
Day 1: Routine. Night 1: At this point I believe Az's smileyposting. Figuring my blood-drain side effect is probably like a roleblock I pick him for my blood drain since with that restriction I'm guessing he's either a Godfather or some sort of Neutral (Cop is possible too, but I figure the risk is worth it). Day 2: RafaelK forces me to claim. My priority at this point is solely to survive the day, which even with my being an un-counterclaimed doc proves quite tricky. Night 2: Given that I cannot doc myself I'm potentially dead tonight, so I need to use both blood points. CPE must live just in case his claim is real and the only other sane target is the Cop, so I heal him too. Day 3: Here's where I make a real mess. Azrael's bogus claim is so obviously false that I misplay my case. I needed to argue more gently and persuasively, instead of which I end up looking a bit to keen to lynch him. This is doubly bad because I'm the day's other lynch candidate. Makes it look like I'm desperate to survive one more day - that's never a good look. I might have got away with it except that Azrael then "proves" his double vote. At that point I'm in a horrible position, because although I'm still certain he's scum nobody else believes me and Az has evidence on his side where all I have is the most suspicious rolename ever. The DYH vs ZDS interaction is perfect for the scum, because it makes me think "Wait, the town's looking quite powerful here, there must be another scum!". So when lynching CPE is mooted that seems great to me. By elimination he has to be the other scum and (because Azrael has a double vote) he must in fact be a scum redirector! Night 3: And for those of you keeping count at home... no, I couldn't actually protect ZDS here anyway! In fact even if I could I might not have done in favour of blood-draining Az again (because the Mafia probably wouldn't dare call my bluff on ZDS). Day 4: And here's where we get to arimnaes' question. With CPE coming up Neutral and Azrael a "confirmed" double-voter, plus every remaining player a "confirmed" townie the entire setup is "known". So all I need to do is wait for one of DYH or ZDS to announce I'm the good guy and that's game. When DYH says Azrael didn't leave his house I'm 100% screwed because the rest of the town knows they're looking for one Mafia and if it's not Az then it must be me by elimination. Trying to argue my way out of that with no tool at my disposal but a pretty smile and a well-chosen turn of phrase? Uh... no.
For me the game wasn't about RafaelK doing his rotweiler thing (it's not the first time and won't be the last), or AlphaInsidious experimenting or any of what happened on day four. The result of this one was all about my fellow townies being completely unable to see how desperately implausible Azrael's claim was on day three. When ZDS started talking about lynching neither I trusted him because I assumed he'd seen the line of play where he Cop-investigates Azrael that night FTW. Oh, how wrong I was!
Amused that Xyre thought the town was overpowered, since I thought the Mafia was pushing the envelope a bit (although strong in a fun way, not an irritating way)! Definitely the sign of a well-designed setup!
There's one question I want to ask the Mod...
"Zhou Yu, Shu Sage" - Did you mean Zhao Yun? Or were you not aware that Zhou Yu is Wei aligned? Or were you just being profoundly evil?
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Five? Uh oh. I guess that would explain the downstairs landing of the main staircase. Things were going bump in the night, you see. In this case, it was RafaelK going bump bump bump as his body tumbled down the stairs. Your group timidly proceeds down the stairs as one, to inspect the corpse more closely. It's unclear exactly what caused RafaelK's death - it could have been falling down the stairs, certainly, but it may also have something to do with the gaping chest wound he's suffered.
At first it appears that his hands have been stuck with knives, but when they don't come out, you realize in visceral horror that in fact each of his hands has a set of five wicked-looking claws attached. Your horror turns to excitement as you realize that another member of the nefarious mafia may be dead. To settle the matter once and for all, you proceed to RafaelK's room.
The room is almost completely bare except for a dresser filled with argyle sweaters and a bed in the corner. Lying on the dresser is a note:
"If you're actually reading this note and are still alive, chances are I'm dead. I was on your side from the beginning, sheep. Not a wolf like those others... something else. Something greater. A man has to eat, though. Surely you understand?"
Cryptic, to be certain, but it seems to exculpate RafaelK from having been actively working against you. Unforunately, it also means someone else is still working against you - and whoever or whatever they are, they were able to fell this beast of a man.
RafaelK, Kevin, Townie Serial Killer, is dead. Suddenly, what was once a game has gotten deadly serious.
Day 4 has begun. With 5 players alive, it's 3 to lynch.
:eek::sick::sick::eek::-/:wink:^_^:rolleyes:
:eek::gonk::eek::rolleyes2::grin3:
:sweat:^_^^_^:aww::sleeping:
:aww::rolleyes2::wink:^_^
:sleeping::xd::rolleyes2::suckup::suckup:^_^
;):aww::uhh::uhh::rolleyes:
:sleeping::-/:eek::aww::B:
:xd::eek::sick:^_^
;):eek::sick:
:suckup::uhh::sick:^_^
:gonk::uhh::grin3:^_^
:sick::uhh::rolleyes::eek::rofl:
:rollout::grin3::rofl::grin3::-/:xd:
:sweat::rolleyes2::grin3:^_^
:weird::rolleyes2::aww::aww:
:rollout::sleeping:^_^
:-/:xd:^_^:-/:wink::rolleyes2::grin3::gonk:
:rolleyes2::sweat:
:-/:eek::grin3:
:sick::teach::rofl:
:suckup::uhh::sick:
:teach:^_^:sleeping::B::uhh::grin3::sleeping:^_^
:muh::eek::rofl:
Vote: Azrael.
;):rollout::sick:
:gonk::teach::eek::muh::muh::eek::teach:
:-/:uhh::teach::teach:^_^:sick:
:eek:;):rolleyes2::aww::rolleyes2::sick::rofl:
:uhh::grin3::aww::rofl:
:weird::uhh::teach::wink:
:uhh::grin3:
:muh::rolleyes2::sleeping::sick::eek::wink:^_^
:sweat::teach::uhh::muh:
:-/:rollout::teach::teach:^_^:grin3::sick:
:rolleyes::eek::rofl:
:grin3:^_^^_^:rolleyes:
:sleeping::uhh::muh:^_^
:muh::rolleyes2::sleeping::sick::eek::wink:^_^
:B::aww::sunny:
:sick::xd::teach:^_^^_^
:sweat::teach::uhh::muh:
:uhh::grin3:^_^
:uhh::teach:
:muh::uhh::teach:^_^
:B:^_^:uhh::B::aww:^_^
Attacked again? Oh rly? No you weren't Az, because I doc-protected ZDS last night and I can't protect and drain on the same night.
Fortunately I don't think we need to play "spot the liar". If I'm lynched today that still leaves the town with a 2-to-1 majority tomorrow, so unless Az really is a multivoter, we win.
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How does one read Az's post with all the teach smilies? I tried reading just the bolded parts, but the resulting message didn't make sense.
Anyway, I think we should lynch Bat today. If he is town, we lynch Azrael tomorrow. Either way, I think we should win.
And, for Azrael, I'd like to say something about the mafia:
They was very stupid if they think they can have won this game.
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That you wouldn't be voting for me if you targeted me (as you should have done) or Azrael.
Not worth discussing, though. Too late to do anything about it now.
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I watched Azrael last night - he did not leave his room. This coupled with ZDS' input leaves me comfortable with:
Vote: Bateleur
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Good call.
But... wut?! Two Mafia left is just nuts - that would make three Mafia and a Neutral from twelve players.
You wouldn't, would you arimnaes?!
I'm kinda sad now, I thought we had this in the bag, but now we've evidently lost. ZDS will die tonight and that's a scum win if there are tow left.
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Vote: bateleur
I'm town. Seriously.
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I'm not lying dude - we've either lost this or something super weird is going on.
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3 bateleur - ZeDorkSlipeur, DYH, bateleur
2 Not Voting - Azrael, Hunted Charlie
You've all just about had it with that cocky bateleur - always skulking around in the shadows, shooting odd glances in the general direction of your necks. Your group begins to round on him, causing him to back up towards the wall of the main chamber.
"Blaahh, you've all got it all wrong, friends! I could no sooner harm one of you than I could myself," bateleur intones in his thick Transylvanian accent. "Search me, search my room, you'll find nothing at all suspicious!"
At that point, he walks backwards into the wall, causing a glass jar of something to fall from his pocket and shatter on the floor. Blood splatters all over the wood, leaking out of the vial and onto the floorboards.
"Blaahh... it still doesn't prove anything!"
Azrael pushes to the front of your group and points an accusing finger at bateleur's hunched figure. "That's my blood you've been bottling! You ripped my hair out last night, too!"
"No," says ZDS sheepishly, "that was me."
"Well, nevertheless."
"But I'm a blahhh...erhem, excuse me, I'm a licensed medical professional!"
"Aharr! Stow it, ye filthy fanged bilge rat!" Before anyone knows what's happening, Hunted Charlie has leapt forward and pierced bateleur's chest with a long piece of wood. Bateleur lets out an inhuman howl and vanishes in a billow of black smoke.
"Good work, Charles," says ZDS, "but where did you get a wooden... oh." His gaze travels to HC's right leg... or lack thereof.
"Aye. Looks like our work here be done, landlubbers."
"Looks like our work here is done, you smelly old pirate!" Azrael's face shows abject fury, and in a flash she produces a thousand-page dictionary and swats HC in the face with it. The pirate stumbles, unable to keep his balance on one leg. He hits the floor hard - but not as hard as he's hit by the second and third swings of Azrael's dictionary. Blood stains the A through D sections, and Hunted Charlie, The Kindly Corsair, Townie Pirate, stops moving for good.
ZDS looks horrified. "DYH, you've gotta help me! The little girl's gone crazy!" The woman standing behind him remains silent.
"DYH?"
Any further inquires that ZDS might have had are quite literally cut short as DYH's katana slices off his head. The decapitated body of ZDS, a.k.a. Puzzle, Townie Analyst/Mason, hits the floor like a lead weight.
"It was a pleasure working with you," says Azrael, A 9-year-old Girl, Mafia Grammar Nazi.
DYH, Miho, Mafia Avenger, simply nods.
GAME OVER, MAFIA WINS!
Roles, notes, and other miscellany coming soon.
Hey, you! Yeah, you behind the computer screen! You're unconstitutional.
America == Velociraptor
Play IRC mafia. (/join #mafia)
MOD NOTES: If one the masons died, the ability would no longer reveal alignment, only role name. Their ability "resolves" before kills, however, so if one is killed during the night, the other will still get all the info. As indicated in the PM, if either one was roleblocked or redirected, the entire ability was affected. They both count as targeting a player for the purposes of being seen by the Corsair or Miho, but they do not count as multiple players for the purposes of harming someone who had blood drawn from them on that night.
MOD NOTES: None.
MOD NOTES: None.
MOD NOTES: As hinted in the PM, the pirates are not 100% reliable as watchers. If no players target the one they're watching, they will incorrectly identify a random player (other than the corsair or the target) as having targeted that player.
MOD NOTES: None.
MOD NOTES: None.
MOD NOTES: A failed lynch on fadeblue would end the day. If he was investigated on the first night, his name would simply have been reported as "Fadeblue." (and he would show as town, obviously.)
MOD NOTES: None.
MOD NOTES: None.
Well played to DYH particularly. I never suspected for a moment!
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AlphaInsidious outsources Hunted Charlie's abilities to carrion pigeons
AlphaInsidious outsources chamber's abilities to RafaelK
AlphaInsidious outsources Sutherlands' abilities to Xyre
AlphaInsidious outsources creampuffeater's abilities to Sutherlands
AlphaInsidious outsources Azrael's abilities to RafaelK
AlphaInsidious outsources RafaelK's abilities to Sutherlands
AlphaInsidious outsources Kenji's abilities to carrion pigeons
RafaelK daykills Kenji and is redirected to Sutherlands
Night 1:
bateleur draws blood from Azrael
ZDS name-cops Hunted Charlie
Xyre blocks Hunted Charlie
Azrael performs the mafia kill on carrion pigeons
AlphaInsidious outsources carrion pigeons' abilities to bateleur
chamber tracks bateleur and is redirected to RafaelK
Night 2:
bateleur uses 2 pints of blood to protect ZDS and creampuffeater
ZDS name-cops AlphaInsidious
Azrael performs the mafia kill on AlphaInsidious
DYH tracks ZDS
Night 3:
bateleur draws blood from Azrael
ZDS name-cops Azrael (Az loses ability to vote on following day)
DYH performs the mafia kill on RafaelK
In fairness, that probably is due more to HC's out-of-sight, out-of-mind oversight as a result of never having his watching ability active. A pair of masons with inspection ability, a watcher, a doc, and a tracker on the side of the town? Something probably should have clicked there.
Azrael played a tremendous game, especially in the segment you couldn't see (at night). His insights and inferences really are quite impressive. I thought he was done for Day Three, but then in usual Azrael style, busted out a successful massive defense. He's definitely my vote for Mafia MVP.
V/LA: 3/21-3/24 & 3/27-3/29
Still waiting to find out why i died. arim told me it was an accident.
Hey, you! Yeah, you behind the computer screen! You're unconstitutional.
America == Velociraptor
Play IRC mafia. (/join #mafia)
I should have realized that it isn't actually possible for Az and I to both be on the same side.
Mafia MVP BM Mafia
Mafia MVP Matrix Mafia
Okay, big note dump time.
First of all, regardless of what you may have thought or expected, all roles were distributed completely randomly. I have not in fact read any of Kung Fu mafia, so the fact that Kenji's falseclaim from that game existed in here as a role is itself amusing, much less the fact that it was assigned to him.
Likewise, CP being the fourth fan was humorous, but not done intentionally.
Day 1: AlphaInsidious goes nutty with his ability for no reason I was able to discern, which causes problems immediately as RafaelK's daykill on Kenji is redirected to Sutherlands, forcing the town to waste its lynch. Fortunately, despite using the ability 8 times, AI does not interfere with any other town abilities. Xyre is on the ropes for a while, with chamber prodding in his direction, but does not claim to be unlynchable. Xyre ends up being rather unfortunate, as the town does not attempt to lynch him, nor is he investigated the following night, but he is under a huge amount of suspicion going into Day 2. Pretty much the worst possible outcome, given his role.
One very amusing thing to note is that had Sutherlands not been daykilled, the cop investigation would have been redirected to the godfather. In that way, AI redeemed himself, if only by undoing the mess he made in the first place.
Night 1: Not much to note here, other than the fact that ZDS lucked out and targeted the one townie whose name arguably indicated their alignment.
Day 2: bateleur comes under suspicion for reasons I never quite understood. Something about his playstyle, I presume, because he didn't look too scummy to me. That could be because I knew he was town, however. RafaelK's efforts, while well-intentioned, nearly lead the town to lynch its doctor on Day 2. Fortunately, Xyre comes up as a safer lynch for the town. I thought it should have been obvious that Xyre was lying about his role after he claimed a vig shot and then immediately refused to use it, but again, moderator's perspective. The lynch goes through, however, and the mafia is deprived of a roleblocker. But will it be enough to turn the tide?
Night 2: Not much of note happens here. The mafia are shooting for the cop, who is (to their knowledge) still a looming potential threat. In reality, the only really useful thing ZDS can do with his name-cop at this point is to find Erestor, which will likely help the mafia anyway since CPE would be lynched. Bateleur uses all his blood, presumably in case he gets nightkilled, but the mafia decide to leave him around as a potential mislynch.
Day 3: Azrael vs. bateleur... FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!! By this time, everyone seems to be in general agreement that bateleur is really scummy, an attitude which perplexes me, since he correctly fingered Xyre and is an uncountered doc. I was disappointed that bateleur gave up and went for CPE as a compromise candidate, since at that point it seemed like getting Azrael lynched would be the only way to clear his own name.
I was disappointed that no one, town or mafia, proposed the correct solution to the redirector issue - that it had been AI, who was now dead. The people who would have been in the best position to do so, of course, would be DYH and RafaelK, both of whom had experience the redirection themselves. Their bodies obeyed "millions and billions of voices" in their head, which referred to everyone in China crying out to stop them. Unfortunately, this didn't click when AI died and I wrote "all 1.3 billion of him." It was slightly amusing to see both sides planning around the interference of a redirector who no longer existed.
Night 3: The mafia are very close to winning, now. Unless something bizarre happens, Azrael will be able to activate his double vote, and he and DYH can singlehandedly lynch a townie for the win.
Of course, something bizarre does happen, namely that ZDS flips a coin and decides to name-cop Azrael, causing him to lose the ability to vote! There was, of course, much roffling on my part.
Day 4: When ZDS comes out and immediately votes bateleur, I start thinking maybe this day won't be as interesting as I'd hoped. Several hours later, bateleur puts himself out of his misery, which is unfortunate, since he only would have had to convince Hunted Charlie of his innocence in order to survive (on account of Azrael being unable to hammer him.)
Sorry
Even more unfortunate is the fact that the scum were then able to use my meddlings to try to push blame on Bateleur as the redirector...which was me...who was dead.
-Alpha
V/LA: 3/21-3/24 & 3/27-3/29
We had a lucky break on night 2. DYH was targeted by China's redirection the same night we had him killed, and that combined with the "townie outsourcer" rolename gave us a good clue who the true redirecter really was. So when we went after Bat for being a mind-controlling vamp, we already knew that no one else was going to step up and take responsibility.
EDIT: Bah, 'nathed.
Wonderfully fun game; I was on the edge of my seat towards the end on those last few days, when Bat launched his attack out of nowhere while my voting abilities were disabled from having performed the kill. Then, ZDS disabled my voting abilities for today when we thought we'd have the lynch all locked up thanks to my double vote. That opened a very frightening possiblity that the town would figure out that the only smart lynch remaining to them was me (assuming the scum started with two players (which would be the standard proportion for a town this size)).
The way it worked was that if I was townie and my vote had been stolen by scum, the town would not be able to successfully lynch either of the two remaining scum for lack of a vote. The day would either end in no lynch or a townie lynch. Faced with that, the town's only play would be to lynch me and hope that I was scum. But the day ended before that realization came to light.
We dodged that bullet by the skin of our teeth.
Great game, everyone.
TOWN MVP: I'd have to go with bateleur, here. He and ZDS were right on the money with Xyre, early, but ZDS loses points for catching the mysterious anti-bat fever that broke out on day 2. I wish bateleur had held out longer on Day 4, so that the town could have realized this: Which was also on my mind.
Still, bateleur managed to I.D. 2 out of 3 scum, including the one who had been hiding behind a faked posting restriction since day 1. Speaking of which...
MAFIA MVP: Azrael. None of the mafia played badly (I think Xyre tripped up early, but did the best job he could to fix it), and DYH/chamber were solid in their play, but ultimately Az had the longest odds to beat and managed to beat them. The faked PR was ingenious, since it meant he got to voice opinions without having to justify them. I was surprised no one questioned why a 9-year-old Girl had that restriction, but he retconned it well when he fullclaimed.
Foolish? Maybe
Fun, potentially gamebreaking, yes.
It's not every day that your ability can do that, and that has more upside than vanilla townie.
It's a game, folks.
-Alpha
I almost pulled it out in spite of playing badly. It reached the point Day 2 where there were 4 people (Chamber, HC, ZDS, and bat) who wanted me lynched, and the rest were ambivalent/leaning to my side. Had Az not bused me, I probably could have narrowly pulled it off, shot ZDS during the night, and gotten Raf lynched, or shot Raf and gotten bat lynched. Either way.
But I can definitely see why Az bused me. At that point, even if I pulled it off, I was a liability.
As for my claim... I thought it was clever when I came up with it, flavor-wise, but the execution was bad. I could perhaps say I was blocked (being the person who would have done the blocking, it wouldn't have been hard) but the number of bluffs I'd have to make made the claim difficult to work with. In retrospect, I should have just claimed roleblocker and bluffed at that.
Anyway, Mafia MVP's definitely Az. I don't know who to choose for Town MVP; probably bat, although I think ZDS played the best up until the last day.
Also, masons with investigations? That's broken, in my opinion, especially if they can use the ability even if one is dead (although the limitation's not bad, the likelihood of the mafia shooting a mason while the "cop" might still be out there makes this role rather unfair. Then again, the mafia did have some pretty solid and townie abilities).
Other than that, it was a great game. Thanks for the opportunity.
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I cannot BELIEVE you guys rushed cpe off the cliff :/ One of bat and Azrael had to be lynched to resolve that... I can't say I would have gone for Azrael over bat necessarily, because bat's claim and play were incredibly suspicous (not knowing that AI was responsible for the redirect... THANKS AI!)... once HC was inspected, I'd actually suspected Az and bat of scum together, especially once Az started trying to make it so that someone other than he or bat got lynched (I always figure I can pick Azrael easily as scum when he talks... the smiley claim was GENIOUS from a number of angles, not least of which is that he got to avoid talking). My absence was very badly timed from that point of view. About the only time when I had any sort of grip on this game :/
I also assume I was killed for being the only person to point out that DYH wasn't cleared?
Az deserved to win just for the smily claim, really. And DYH/chamber did a great job of staying under the radar.
It was actually a last-minute decision. Two reasons, really. One, you were less likely to be protected, and two (most importantly that had occurred to me as well) if you could still kill, you were a liability to us winning today with a mislynch.
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We were worried about your analysis, and we wanted to 100% guarantee that we would push home the kill for that night in order to set up the double-vote win. Plus we were worried that you might have another kill up your sleeve to disrupt the vote-for-the-win plan.
DYH gets the primary credit for that one.
For those interested:
Night 1, Az killed CP by beating him over the head with a dictionary.
Night 2, Az killed AI by point out a grammar mistake on something he'd written, causing AI to have a massive brain seizure from the embarassment.
Night 3, DYH and Raf had an epic duel that ended with Miho driving her wakizashi through Kevin's chest, and him falling down the stairs.
Also, great game setup, so much nostalgia.
Logical Reasoning is dead; Long Live Stupidity
arimnaes might want to referee, but I have a suspicion that you didn't have three on me. Hell, I would dispute every single one of mine you quoted.
Good thing you didn't need it, really
To be fair, while it was going to be used as a point for or against his claim, it took intellegence to come up with a claim like az did that included it.
I was damn impressed.
Logical Reasoning is dead; Long Live Stupidity
I actually didn't realize that I was hammering you at the time. I agree that the town probably would have followed through on you sooner or later, with or without us.
Hmm, maybe so. My English major skillz are mostly intuitive, rather than analytical. Pretty sure that "neither" was correct though, and proper names are usually capped. Whether SNs count as proper names...*shrug*
So did I, actually.
While we argued I couldn't shake the feeling that I was arguing with some sort of neutral or SK role. When he came up fully townie I was mildly surprised.
PROS:
- One player can die and the other can still get some info
- One less player as an unknown quantity, meaning a greater chance of hitting scum with an investigation
CONS:
- The cop as an entity is twice as likely to be killed, twice as likely to be roleblocked, and twice as likely to be redirected
- The name-cop ability by itself is not very useful, since the only players with alignment-establishing names are the Kindly Corsair, the Evil Duplicate, and Erestor (who's actually neutral, rather than straight scum.)
And of course there was the Tom and Jerry aspect to their roles, which could have caused strange things to happen if both players had survived the first couple of days.
Not at all. Your role was easily the most complex (with the possible exception of 9-year-old girl), and I definitely would have been just as cautious if I'd had to play it.
I don't think I would have started falseclaiming for immunity as early as you did, however, simply because it made you look horribly inconsistent later on. Then again, that was the point of the Erestor role - you had to walk a fine line between trying to avoid being lynched and trying to avoid being nightkilled.
The fact that he kept beating you up every night probably didn't assuage your fears, either.
I mean, how would we know how many games you're in?
*sits down at typewriter
Also, I just realized that in Sin City, DYH was killed by Kevin. And much later in the game, RafaelK killed Miho.
Sweet sweet irony?
In honor of Halo 3 coming out, I will state:
We just got pwned up by sum nubbins.
Er, I should have a good excuse here involving something about the multiple town kill-roles, or something, but the truth is that I just forgot. Considering I had never gotten a chance to use my role... the entire game... I also for some reason forgot that I hadn't full-claimed yet (since I had claimed everything except the tracker bit), and I guess that helped.
Here would be my picks for MVPs/LVPs:
Town MVP: ZeDorkSlipeur - He really played an incredible cop, made good investigates, and played well even when he was just discussing like a normal townie. I know Bateleur was right in the end, but I do think that he could have done more to stop his own lynch. I look through the game, and Bateleur still seems to have odd off-moments and look quite scummy at parts.
Town LVP: Hunted Charlie - Sooo... Makes some stupid points, forgets his PR. And again. And again. And again. Never gets a chance to use his role, then forgets to claim it when it's really necessary. Only lives thanks to a cop investigation. Also likes to talk about self in third person.
Mafia MVP: Azrael - DYH and Azrael both played good games here, but Azrael was just extraordinary. He was the subject of almost no suspicion until the Bat/Az endgame, and even there he won out.
Mafia LVP: Xyre - His game wasn't altogether bad (he had some moments where I thought he was town), but most of the game when he was living, he was pretty blatant scum. Of course, it doesn't help that he's being compared to DYH and Azrael, who played very very well.
Arimnaes: This was a great game, one of my favorites (if not my favorite!). Host another one soon! And PM me too.
Thanks for the game!
That situation was way, way more complex than it seemed. I'll walk you through the game from my perspective and you'll see why...
Day 1: Routine.
Night 1: At this point I believe Az's smileyposting. Figuring my blood-drain side effect is probably like a roleblock I pick him for my blood drain since with that restriction I'm guessing he's either a Godfather or some sort of Neutral (Cop is possible too, but I figure the risk is worth it).
Day 2: RafaelK forces me to claim. My priority at this point is solely to survive the day, which even with my being an un-counterclaimed doc proves quite tricky.
Night 2: Given that I cannot doc myself I'm potentially dead tonight, so I need to use both blood points. CPE must live just in case his claim is real and the only other sane target is the Cop, so I heal him too.
Day 3: Here's where I make a real mess. Azrael's bogus claim is so obviously false that I misplay my case. I needed to argue more gently and persuasively, instead of which I end up looking a bit to keen to lynch him. This is doubly bad because I'm the day's other lynch candidate. Makes it look like I'm desperate to survive one more day - that's never a good look. I might have got away with it except that Azrael then "proves" his double vote. At that point I'm in a horrible position, because although I'm still certain he's scum nobody else believes me and Az has evidence on his side where all I have is the most suspicious rolename ever. The DYH vs ZDS interaction is perfect for the scum, because it makes me think "Wait, the town's looking quite powerful here, there must be another scum!". So when lynching CPE is mooted that seems great to me. By elimination he has to be the other scum and (because Azrael has a double vote) he must in fact be a scum redirector!
Night 3: And for those of you keeping count at home... no, I couldn't actually protect ZDS here anyway! In fact even if I could I might not have done in favour of blood-draining Az again (because the Mafia probably wouldn't dare call my bluff on ZDS).
Day 4: And here's where we get to arimnaes' question. With CPE coming up Neutral and Azrael a "confirmed" double-voter, plus every remaining player a "confirmed" townie the entire setup is "known". So all I need to do is wait for one of DYH or ZDS to announce I'm the good guy and that's game. When DYH says Azrael didn't leave his house I'm 100% screwed because the rest of the town knows they're looking for one Mafia and if it's not Az then it must be me by elimination. Trying to argue my way out of that with no tool at my disposal but a pretty smile and a well-chosen turn of phrase? Uh... no.
For me the game wasn't about RafaelK doing his rotweiler thing (it's not the first time and won't be the last), or AlphaInsidious experimenting or any of what happened on day four. The result of this one was all about my fellow townies being completely unable to see how desperately implausible Azrael's claim was on day three. When ZDS started talking about lynching neither I trusted him because I assumed he'd seen the line of play where he Cop-investigates Azrael that night FTW. Oh, how wrong I was!
Amused that Xyre thought the town was overpowered, since I thought the Mafia was pushing the envelope a bit (although strong in a fun way, not an irritating way)! Definitely the sign of a well-designed setup!
There's one question I want to ask the Mod...
"Zhou Yu, Shu Sage" - Did you mean Zhao Yun? Or were you not aware that Zhou Yu is Wei aligned? Or were you just being profoundly evil?
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Forum Awards: Best Writer 2005, Best Limited Strategist 2005-2012
5CB PotM - June 2005, November 2005, February 2006, April 2008, May 2008, Feb 2009
MTGSalvation Articles: 1-20, plus guest appearance on MTGCast #86!
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