I'm not talking about typle angel when you meant to type angle or typing if when you meant to type it. It's still a typo to type a different word, and it really made no sense to think that CPE meant scum when he typed scum in that post.
Well, let's see:
Here, I question him why he suddenly second guesses the wagon on Kraj with no evidence.
Here, I list some of the posts of Ged that I found problems with.
Here, where I find his reasons for lynching/vigging to be poor
It's not like I'm pulling this vote out of my arse. I've expressed suspicion of him previously.
Translated: "I see that Ged's acted scummy, but not enough for my vote to move to him from a claimed mason, but since Ged's claim is weak, I'll say I'm willing to vote Ged when he gets close to lynch so that I look good to the town." Wow...would you like some bacon and syrup to go with that waffling?
So, what the difference between Ged and CPE? I wonder, because you said you'd be willing to vote CPE, but seem to have intention to vote Ged, based upon your "I support this lynch" statement that you've used in the past in place of your acutal vote.
I have asked to be the hammar vote on every single lynch, what makes it diffrent here. also, on the quote, i find CPE scummy and i find ged scummy, and would be happy lynching either. i am willing to vote ged,but only as the hammar, as i have reasons for being the hammar
sorry for not posting in a bit, got my wisdom teeth out today and im still tired/bleeding/whatever. As for this ged wagon, I am not quite sure of it, the part where he wants to kill me is bad, but whatever. WHY IS NIV SCUMMY IN EVERY GAME I HAVE SEEN HIM IN?????
i only recall one game where no one was ever suspicious of me, Mafia 67, and that may have been beacuse half the players and 2 modds abandoned
So, what the difference between Ged and CPE? I wonder, because you said you'd be willing to vote CPE, but seem to have intention to vote Ged, based upon your "I support this lynch" statement that you've used in the past in place of your acutal vote.
I'd still support a cpe wagon at this point. That may change by tomorrow, obviously. Ged's attack was what initially interested me in CPE, and he had good points, but his (Ged's) waffling plus his attempt to have the town count on a vig in place of a lynch implies inside knowledge, and possibly a plan of some sort to turn around suspicion on cpe (perhaps cpe is untargetable? Has anyone claimed to have successfully targeted him?). Also, Ged's claim is much worse than cpe's, being actively bad rather than merely unimpressive.
Niv's play has been incredibly scummy, but I think I generally prefer going back to cpe tomorrow (thanks to the distancing I've been seeing between him and Ged), especially if Ged turns up scum.
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
Nib, I'm assuming a role reason for wanting to hammer, but why are you so forceful about being the hammer.
As to CPE and Ged, CPE seems more reliable. Here's why; CPE's buddy(ies) can be used as (near) confirmed towns if they are outed, and CPE / one of them is investigated. Ged is scummy with his vig plan, so I'd rather see him go.
We live in a country were ~50% of the populace believe public schooling is a socialist conspiracy and that being called Einstein is an insult. We could try and fix it, but unfortunately the other 50% don't believe in euthanasia.
Nib, I'm assuming a role reason for wanting to hammer, but why are you so forceful about being the hammer.
As to CPE and Ged, CPE seems more reliable. Here's why; CPE's buddy(ies) can be used as (near) confirmed towns if they are outed, and CPE / one of them is investigated. Ged is scummy with his vig plan, so I'd rather see him go.
If you're assuming it's a role-related reason, why are you asking him to extrapolate?
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Wow. Sutherlands hasn't posted for a while now. That's the last time I do that by looking at post counts. Prodding him.
StormBlind and Apokalypse Kid are on the bubble for prods as well.
He's replacing NA, right? Interesting.
Tomorrow is probably a good day to start testing this 10 post-a-day stuff and extract a claim from him. It's been darned near impossible to get a read on NA/AK because there is so little content. Today is booked for lynching Ged.
No, he's definitely asking you a question, even if he put a period at the end instead of "?". He wants to know why you're being so forceful about being the one to hammer.
As for Ged, I've been thinking it over, and I support a lynch. I'm not certain if that's the right move, unless someone else claimed the RB on loran. But all Ged's info really makes no sense at all.
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EBWODP: Or rather your belief he's scum along with Ged. You didn't really imply that it was only if Ged is- misread on my part initially.
I didn't mean "Niv has to be scum if Ged is" I meant "I believe that Ged is scum, I also believe that Niv is scum. If I happen to get got in my sleep, someone please look into a case on Niv" I have only one instance where I could see a connection between the two of them, so I am most assuredly not trying to link them. I just see both of them as very scummy.
I have asked to be the hammar vote on every single lynch, what makes it diffrent here. also, on the quote, i find CPE scummy and i find ged scummy, and would be happy lynching either. i am willing to vote ged,but only as the hammar, as i have reasons for being the hammar
Just as our previous conversation, I'm not questioning what you're saying (that you want to hammer), I'm questioning how you're saying (this time waffling between Ged and CPE, previously for saying you'll wait to hammer in case any one wanted to say something, then hammering when only allowing two people to speak.)
I understand you're saying you have a role based reason to hammer. I honestly have no idea if you do or you don't, but I'm willing to take your word for it at this point in time.
Be the hammer vote. But don't say you prefer the lynch of CPE more than the lynch of Ged, but that you'll happily switch votes so as to be the hammer vote on ged, just so that you can be the hammer vote, and then cloak it as being a "vote if town gives the go ahead." This last part is what I have a problem with.
I'd still support a cpe wagon at this point. That may change by tomorrow, obviously. Ged's attack was what initially interested me in CPE, and he had good points, but his (Ged's) waffling plus his attempt to have the town count on a vig in place of a lynch implies inside knowledge, and possibly a plan of some sort to turn around suspicion on cpe (perhaps cpe is untargetable? Has anyone claimed to have successfully targeted him?). Also, Ged's claim is much worse than cpe's, being actively bad rather than merely unimpressive.
Niv's play has been incredibly scummy, but I think I generally prefer going back to cpe tomorrow (thanks to the distancing I've been seeing between him and Ged), especially if Ged turns up scum.
Ok, I got all this. But you didn't explain what the difference is between CPE and Ged that caused you to be willing to vote CPE but not Ged. Why is the case on CPE that much greater/better/more solid/more convincing (pick any and all that apply) than the case on Ged that would cause you to be willing to forego the benefits of not voting?
Just as a poll for those who play at other sites, how often does a scum/town mason pair show up? I know I read somewhere that Sin City was the first time it showed up here on Sally. I've been a mason three times (Elegant, Kung Fu, Matrix) and have yet to see the scum/town pairing. I'm looking for a larger sampling than the little bit I've seen here.
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Ok, I got all this. But you didn't explain what the difference is between CPE and Ged that caused you to be willing to vote CPE but not Ged. Why is the case on CPE that much greater/better/more solid/more convincing (pick any and all that apply) than the case on Ged that would cause you to be willing to forego the benefits of not voting?
Just as a poll for those who play at other sites, how often does a scum/town mason pair show up? I know I read somewhere that Sin City was the first time it showed up here on Sally. I've been a mason three times (Elegant, Kung Fu, Matrix) and have yet to see the scum/town pairing. I'm looking for a larger sampling than the little bit I've seen here.
If I thought that the town wasn't ready to come to a lynch on Ged, I'd throw my hat into the ring, sure. But in general, we're at a place where the day is about over, and I don't want to waste my ability for a lynch that is a fait accompli at this point.
In the cases where there have been two players who could communicate, but were not told each others' alignments, I've never personally seen a case where one of them wasn't scum. Sin City, Douglas Adams, and Blood Moon are all fairly recent cases of this having happened on this site. That isn't to say that it's a guarantee, but I've come to the point where I generally assume it.
I've also seen several cases where people's alignments have been heavily implied to each other, but not guaranteed, and that's much chancier, but not what seems to be happening here.
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
Buddy, i have read the thread. Unfortunately, the last REAL comments about it was that ONE player said "Well, i want CPE Dead, but we shouldnt direct the vig". And other then that, the comments before that were debating whether CPE should be a target, or if i should fire at all, or if i should be directed.
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SB, do you think cpe is scum? If so, fire away. If not, don't. I am not a fan of directing power roles unless there's evidence that it's necessary.
I object to Ged's plan on the basis that it casts suspicion on you and, potentially, away from cpe, if anything goes wrong with the "town's" plan, but I am totally fine with you taking a potshot at him.
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
I may as well explain, because you'll lynch me anyway, and I guess I'm technically town.
Turns out I have to survive the game in addition to killing all the scum, but I didn't read that part of my PM until I was reviewing it to claim. Had I done so earlier, I probably would have played a very different game to try and stick around.
I may as well explain, because you'll lynch me anyway, and I guess I'm technically town.
Turns out I have to survive the game in addition to killing all the scum, but I didn't read that part of my PM until I was reviewing it to claim. Had I done so earlier, I probably would have played a very different game to try and stick around.
this imo dosen't sound like a good role at all. wow.....
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
Consider that a vote, Just not feelin like puttin him at -1 quite yet, since Niv seems kind of anxious to hammer. I must admit, i have a curiosity towards Niv, but since it would be fishing, ill simply say
Im suspicious of niv's desire to hammer, and have atheory as to why that is.
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[19:59] greymon90210: Hey StormBlind how tall are you? "I'm six money *****, don't forget it"
"The Critics always said that we'd only have a black president when pigs flu"...
Curious, who am i supposed to be firing at tonight? What's the plans in regards to that.
I'm against a CPE vig'ing. If CPE should be tested, I'd rather see him name his patner before vig'ing him. I'm not saying I want the partner to come out, but I think having that info out in the open before CPE dies is better than having CPE die tonight and then having to sort through any claim shenanigans later.
I may as well explain, because you'll lynch me anyway, and I guess I'm technically town.
Turns out I have to survive the game in addition to killing all the scum, but I didn't read that part of my PM until I was reviewing it to claim. Had I done so earlier, I probably would have played a very different game to try and stick around.
Guess you're technically town? Wow, sounds as if you're more than technically not town.
Consider that a vote, Just not feelin like puttin him at -1 quite yet, since Niv seems kind of anxious to hammer. I must admit, i have a curiosity towards Niv, but since it would be fishing, ill simply say
Im suspicious of niv's desire to hammer, and have atheory as to why that is.
I agree on Niv's desire to hammer being suspicious. After he made some posts that sounded scummy to me, my first thought was he was scum trying to mitigate being the hammer vote by saying he has an ability that necessitates him hammering to work. For now, I felt it was better to let that go and look at a better option, that being Ged. Tomorrow I plan on looking closer at Niv.
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That claim is fairly terrible. I now support a Ged lynch, so long as the town remembers Cyan whether or not I'm around tomorrow.
Nice bandwagon vote. How does it feel to throw your scum buddy under the bus?
Furthermore, considering the statement 'whether or not I'm around tomorrow', you must be acknowledging that I am not scum. Because obviously, if I was, there is no way you would get NKed(and if you were going to, why would I have put so much effort into attacking you back today). The end result of that action is clearly much more suspicion for me. Doesn't seem like a great idea. Of course, from the position that you're just blustering scum, I guess it all makes sense.
The above post is some of the most convoluted, far-reaching, erroneous logic I've seen. Ever.
Maybe Arimnaes is on to something after all. Look into Cyan if I'm dead tomorrow.
Ooh, I'm casting suspicion on him - does that mean I won't get NKed now?
C'mon, Cyan, you can't be serious?
FoS: Cyan
(Oh and PS - he didn't vote, just supported the wagon. I realize this means nothing in terms of his alignment, but considering you put "nice bandwagon vote", it's worth noting.)
"Its matter was not new to me, but was presented in a new aspect. It shook me in my habit - the habit of nine-tenths of the world - of believing that all was right about me, because I was used to it . . . "
For you to make that statement is not a big deal. You didn't spend half of the day creating and then futilely attempting to support a case against me. Arimnaes did and, despite most people involved saying that the case was terrible, he continues to take pot shots at me. Arimnaes' statement accomplishes nothing for the town if he is town. If he DOES get NKed, now, if anything, it makes me look better, because no scum would be so stupid as to NK someone after a statement like that. And if he's scum, it's just one more pot shot that he gets to take at me.
As far as Ged, you're right. He didn't actually vote, nor indicate an intention to do so before the lynch occurs. If anything, if Ged comes up town, that makes Arimnaes look worse. It looks like he is supporting the lynch now, but if people look at voting records etc later, his name won't be there. Thanks for clearing that up.
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@SB: If you are the vig do as you wish. announcing your NK won't do anything but draw a NK from another source and could potentially invalidate any 'proof'. And not at CPE until we have his partner.
@Ged: Horrible claim, followed by another. I really don't know why he hasn't been lynched yet...
@Cyan/Arim: Seems like two townies arguing to me, though. Even the 'most far-reaching errounous logic ever' seems more like bitterness than an actual attempt to accomplish anything.
What I've missed.
@SB: If you are the vig do as you wish. announcing your NK won't do anything but draw a NK from another source and could potentially invalidate any 'proof'. And not at CPE until we have his partner.
@Ged: Horrible claim, followed by another. I really don't know why he hasn't been lynched yet...
@Cyan/Arim: Seems like two townies arguing to me, though. Even the 'most far-reaching errounous logic ever' seems more like bitterness than an actual attempt to accomplish anything.
1) There's nothing wrong with SB killing cpe if he wants to. If he actually turns up town and two people claim to be his mason partner, I don't think there's a reason for the town to complain, since it's a 1-for-1.
2) Are you voting for Ged? Maybe you could do us all a favor...
3) Cyan's post was pretty bad in terms of logic, but I agree that I could see arimnaes behaving like that as scum, and that arim's case on Cyan is weak as weak can be. I may fault Cyan's arguments, but his stance seems pretty reasonable to me.
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
I'm already voting Ged and have been for a while. that's part of the reason I've been just glossing over this thread. I thought the lynch would've been done by now.
You eventually decide on the well-dressed, well-groomed middle aged man in the corner. You wander over to him and stare him down for a few moments.
"C'mon, guys, you know me! I'm George Clooney! You know, actor, director, stud. I was on ER, guys! ER!"
A murmur ripples across the crowd, and a confused look appears on Sutherlands' face. "Um... what's ER?"
Ged stares at him for a moment. "You know, ER, that medical drama show. I was on it in the 90s."
"Oh, you mean Grey's Anatomy."
"No."
"General Hospital?"
"Uh-uh."
"Um... Private Practice?"
Ged groans. "Oh, to hell with it." And in one swift motion, he pulls out his still-loaded gun and shoots himself. Baffled, you watch his body crumple, alongside the familiar piece of paper.
You ask me where the hell I'm going
At a thousand feet per second
Hey man, slow down, slow down
He was indeed George Clooney, Town One-Shot Jack.
Still wondering what show he was talking about, you slowly shuffle up to your rooms. In spite of his poor luck, Ged was working for the town, and without recognizing it, the town had lost yet another useful asset.
You slowly shuffle downstairs. This party is no longer a time of merriment and excess; there are bodies all over the place. Eventually, you all gave up on putting them back in their rooms. Some of you still suspect Hawkeye's in the bar, drinking an ironic Bloody Mary.
With a collective groan, you all discover that two of you are absent. You shuffle back out to go look for them, ready for the worst. And indeed, that's a rather fitting way of looking at it.
The first body you find is carrion pigeons'. He's lying on the floor of his room. Well, what's left of him is. You suspect that whomever went after him took a good whack at him, based on the arterial spray on the walls and ceiling. He's no much more than a sack of blood, mush, and bones at this point, but he did you all the favor of leaving his papers around for you to find. Cyan's the first to spot the four voting ballots, untouched, lying on his bed. "Where did he get all of those?"
This confirms in your mind that carrion pigeons was one of the town's greatest resources, and a tremendous loss. He was Mr. Burns, Town Misanthrope.
Next to him is the note: I've got the smile of a local man
Who's got the loneliest feeling.
The town then spreads out, but can't seem to find the last person in any of the rooms. Finally, StormBlind spots it: a small puddle of blood next to arimnaes' room. He points to the end of the hallway, and you can make out, just barely, drops of blood on a broken window. With much trepidation, you wander to the window and look at the scene.
Arimnaes' body is lying in a mess, but it's certainly not on the ground. Indeed, he's at least twenty feet up. His suit and body are studded with shards of glass, but those aren't the reason why he's still up there. That would be due to the tree branch that he was impaled by on the way down. With a shudder, you move away from the scene and to his room.
His room is a mess, but not in the way carrion pigeons' was. His is filled with electronic equipment of all kinds - video cameras, computers, telephones. With a shudder, you discover a series of tapes with labels on them: Night 1. Night 2. Night 3. And so on. Next to these is his note:
The head of state is calling my name
But I, I don't have time for you...
And with this is, most amusing of all, a resignation letter. It seems arimnaes was Alberto Gonzales, Mafia Tracker/Eliminator.
Having lost a valuable ally and defeated a powerful foe, the town, more confused than ever, wandered back to the boardroom. It seemed the battle was not quite over.
What?! Look at the initial post; he is dead. Deceased. Kaputt. Indefinitely horizontal. In mafia games, you see, people are occasionally "killed off," and when that sad event occurs, he or she is no longer allowed to post, on account of rigor mortis and what-have-you.
'Welcome to Mafia Salvation', it said, 'Population: 3,660.' And someone, they never figured out who, had painted on the sign in red letters: '1,831 to lynch.'
I'd like to start hearing some input from AK. He (and his predecessor) has been able to slide through 4 game days without committing to much of anything, frankly. I'm going to go back through CPs content and see what he'd suggested over the course of the game that might have led to his being shot.
I'm going to do a bit of reading over my break (started yesterday...yay public high schools) and look into WoD. I never remember him ever doing anything, and not really adding much. So expect something substantial within a few days.
We live in a country were ~50% of the populace believe public schooling is a socialist conspiracy and that being called Einstein is an insult. We could try and fix it, but unfortunately the other 50% don't believe in euthanasia.
WoD's last post was on the 14th, and consisted of agreeing with Arimscum.
3 days before that was a one-liner
He said "I'm going to read up on CP sometime tonight, after work." and nothing came of it.
His reread apparently only pointed at CPE, who ended up a mason
The day before that he promised content which has never come
Piles the 4th vote on CPE with simply echoing DYH's sentiments
One line setup comment on 11/30
Puts treigit at -1, which forces the doctor out (and treigit's claim is strengthened imo by Arim's fishing on the odd details of his role)
WoD meaninglessly blusters at Billium for asking bat questions after bat was lynched (or near lynch)
-Many of his posts have little or no content
-Many of his posts have long lapses between them, IE posting only every 3 or 4 days
-the only original idea that he's had is a mass claim
-He has barned multiple wagons that ended up on townies (see kraj, treigit, CPE(?))
I think that WoD is my best lead. Vote WoD
We live in a country were ~50% of the populace believe public schooling is a socialist conspiracy and that being called Einstein is an insult. We could try and fix it, but unfortunately the other 50% don't believe in euthanasia.
Any thoughts on the other players in the game? I've not really reviewed WoD or the case yet, but I'd like to get you on record about everyone, frankly.
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Nice to know that I was right about Arimnaes being scum.
I'd like to see SB vote someone now, so we know that he either A)didn't kill CP and/or B)is telling the truth about not being able to vote if he NKs someone.
@AK: It's pretty unsettling that you didn't even bother to comment on DYH's vote on you, instead just focusing all of your interest onto WoD. Not to say that your points there aren't valid, because it seems like they are, but I would think that you would at least bat an eyelash at someone voting you in such a decisive fashion.
I was making the WoD post and didn't see the vote, as I was reviewing WoD's posts. Niv is interesting because of his ability, but I don't have many thoughts on him. Billium seems pretty town, he's not really sticking out, vamp as well, Cyan, I think you're probably town because of the interaction with Arim, Suth is an investigator, Gifts is kind of neutral, cpe is a mason, SB is vig-I want to hear whether he's responsible for Arim's death, I'm me, I posted my thoughts on WoD, DYH is peter parker-what his role is is beyond me, I'm getting a town read from him, and Treigit is a form of doc.
We live in a country were ~50% of the populace believe public schooling is a socialist conspiracy and that being called Einstein is an insult. We could try and fix it, but unfortunately the other 50% don't believe in euthanasia.
Niv is interesting because of his ability, but I don't have many thoughts on him.
You find him interesting based on an ability that there's no confirmation of yet? How does make him interesting? Do you find his asking to hammer a good thing or a bad thing? If given the power to make Niv claim his ability, would you make him do so?
Billium seems pretty town, he's not really sticking out,
So, you measure how town-like someone is by how much they stick out? How is that possible? Should you not be suspicious of someone who fails to come across as town like, rather than assign them a town value for not acting scummy?
Cyan, I think you're probably town because of the interaction with Arim,
Just because Cyan was on the opposite side of an argument with a dead scum, it automatically gives him a pass in your book? Has he done nothing else in what you've read to merit a vote to be a townie?
Oh, so suddenly, the mafia can't have any info roles? Arim, the mafia tracker, would like to have a word with you. Has Suth done anything else beside be his role that has lead you to believe his alignment to be town?
Exactly how so? And what do you mean by neutral? Has he done nothing to sway your opinion? Or has he done some scummy things and some town things that cancel each other out? If he has done some scummy things and some town things, what were they? Just calling him neutral means nothing.
And, as previously discussed, he and his partner are not mod confirmed. Does this not bother you? Do you not find this suspicious? You're just going to take him being a mason at face value and leave it at that? Do you agree or disagree with everything people were saying about CPE as he was being wagoned?
SB is vig-I want to hear whether he's responsible for Arim's death,
Well, not a complete vig. How do you feel about the possiblity of having a full vig (Kraj) and a nerfed vig (SB) in the game? Do you buy into it? If so, why? Do you believe his drawback is legit? Or is it just a lame false claim?
Yeah, you're you and you're starting to garner suspicion from a few people. You need to pick up your content from here on out or people will start to think you plan on killing them in their sleep.
You did, and I honestly didn't take the time to go back and look over your accusations against him, primarily because of the lack of linking or listing of posts. In the future you might want to make it easier on the people you're trying to convince by linking back to the points you're making.
DYH is peter parker-what his role is is beyond me, I'm getting a town read from him,
Why are you getting such a read from DYH? What has he done that comes across as town like? DYH is a very skilled player, how easy do you think it would be for him to fool you and appear as a townie?
I have asked to be the hammar vote on every single lynch, what makes it diffrent here. also, on the quote, i find CPE scummy and i find ged scummy, and would be happy lynching either. i am willing to vote ged,but only as the hammar, as i have reasons for being the hammar
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i only recall one game where no one was ever suspicious of me, Mafia 67, and that may have been beacuse half the players and 2 modds abandoned
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I'd still support a cpe wagon at this point. That may change by tomorrow, obviously. Ged's attack was what initially interested me in CPE, and he had good points, but his (Ged's) waffling plus his attempt to have the town count on a vig in place of a lynch implies inside knowledge, and possibly a plan of some sort to turn around suspicion on cpe (perhaps cpe is untargetable? Has anyone claimed to have successfully targeted him?). Also, Ged's claim is much worse than cpe's, being actively bad rather than merely unimpressive.
Niv's play has been incredibly scummy, but I think I generally prefer going back to cpe tomorrow (thanks to the distancing I've been seeing between him and Ged), especially if Ged turns up scum.
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As to CPE and Ged, CPE seems more reliable. Here's why; CPE's buddy(ies) can be used as (near) confirmed towns if they are outed, and CPE / one of them is investigated. Ged is scummy with his vig plan, so I'd rather see him go.
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If you're assuming it's a role-related reason, why are you asking him to extrapolate?
He's replacing NA, right? Interesting.
Tomorrow is probably a good day to start testing this 10 post-a-day stuff and extract a claim from him. It's been darned near impossible to get a read on NA/AK because there is so little content. Today is booked for lynching Ged.
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I beilive i have said its a role related reason allreddy, so, i belive that his is just statement of fact
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As for Ged, I've been thinking it over, and I support a lynch. I'm not certain if that's the right move, unless someone else claimed the RB on loran. But all Ged's info really makes no sense at all.
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I didn't mean "Niv has to be scum if Ged is" I meant "I believe that Ged is scum, I also believe that Niv is scum. If I happen to get got in my sleep, someone please look into a case on Niv" I have only one instance where I could see a connection between the two of them, so I am most assuredly not trying to link them. I just see both of them as very scummy.
Just as our previous conversation, I'm not questioning what you're saying (that you want to hammer), I'm questioning how you're saying (this time waffling between Ged and CPE, previously for saying you'll wait to hammer in case any one wanted to say something, then hammering when only allowing two people to speak.)
I understand you're saying you have a role based reason to hammer. I honestly have no idea if you do or you don't, but I'm willing to take your word for it at this point in time.
Be the hammer vote. But don't say you prefer the lynch of CPE more than the lynch of Ged, but that you'll happily switch votes so as to be the hammer vote on ged, just so that you can be the hammer vote, and then cloak it as being a "vote if town gives the go ahead." This last part is what I have a problem with.
Ok, I got all this. But you didn't explain what the difference is between CPE and Ged that caused you to be willing to vote CPE but not Ged. Why is the case on CPE that much greater/better/more solid/more convincing (pick any and all that apply) than the case on Ged that would cause you to be willing to forego the benefits of not voting?
Just as a poll for those who play at other sites, how often does a scum/town mason pair show up? I know I read somewhere that Sin City was the first time it showed up here on Sally. I've been a mason three times (Elegant, Kung Fu, Matrix) and have yet to see the scum/town pairing. I'm looking for a larger sampling than the little bit I've seen here.
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If I thought that the town wasn't ready to come to a lynch on Ged, I'd throw my hat into the ring, sure. But in general, we're at a place where the day is about over, and I don't want to waste my ability for a lynch that is a fait accompli at this point.
In the cases where there have been two players who could communicate, but were not told each others' alignments, I've never personally seen a case where one of them wasn't scum. Sin City, Douglas Adams, and Blood Moon are all fairly recent cases of this having happened on this site. That isn't to say that it's a guarantee, but I've come to the point where I generally assume it.
I've also seen several cases where people's alignments have been heavily implied to each other, but not guaranteed, and that's much chancier, but not what seems to be happening here.
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This is the first and only time I will ever neglect my full win condition before being forced to claim.
Do what?
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reading the thread isnt that hard you know....
Buddy, i have read the thread. Unfortunately, the last REAL comments about it was that ONE player said "Well, i want CPE Dead, but we shouldnt direct the vig". And other then that, the comments before that were debating whether CPE should be a target, or if i should fire at all, or if i should be directed.
I object to Ged's plan on the basis that it casts suspicion on you and, potentially, away from cpe, if anything goes wrong with the "town's" plan, but I am totally fine with you taking a potshot at him.
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I may as well explain, because you'll lynch me anyway, and I guess I'm technically town.
Turns out I have to survive the game in addition to killing all the scum, but I didn't read that part of my PM until I was reviewing it to claim. Had I done so earlier, I probably would have played a very different game to try and stick around.
this imo dosen't sound like a good role at all. wow.....
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Frankly true. It's seems improbable that Ged is telling the whole story here, which only makes him that much more lynchable.
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Consider that a vote, Just not feelin like puttin him at -1 quite yet, since Niv seems kind of anxious to hammer. I must admit, i have a curiosity towards Niv, but since it would be fishing, ill simply say
Im suspicious of niv's desire to hammer, and have atheory as to why that is.
@SB: That's up to you, really. We're not really in a situation that dictates directing the vig at this point.
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Also, the next time Suth is on he should add 2 posts of as much or as little content as he pleases.
I still want to see SB shoot, and see CPE as the best target, but that is up to you.
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I'm against a CPE vig'ing. If CPE should be tested, I'd rather see him name his patner before vig'ing him. I'm not saying I want the partner to come out, but I think having that info out in the open before CPE dies is better than having CPE die tonight and then having to sort through any claim shenanigans later.
Guess you're technically town? Wow, sounds as if you're more than technically not town.
I agree on Niv's desire to hammer being suspicious. After he made some posts that sounded scummy to me, my first thought was he was scum trying to mitigate being the hammer vote by saying he has an ability that necessitates him hammering to work. For now, I felt it was better to let that go and look at a better option, that being Ged. Tomorrow I plan on looking closer at Niv.
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Nice bandwagon vote. How does it feel to throw your scum buddy under the bus?
Furthermore, considering the statement 'whether or not I'm around tomorrow', you must be acknowledging that I am not scum. Because obviously, if I was, there is no way you would get NKed(and if you were going to, why would I have put so much effort into attacking you back today). The end result of that action is clearly much more suspicion for me. Doesn't seem like a great idea. Of course, from the position that you're just blustering scum, I guess it all makes sense.
Maybe Arimnaes is on to something after all. Look into Cyan if I'm dead tomorrow.
Ooh, I'm casting suspicion on him - does that mean I won't get NKed now?
C'mon, Cyan, you can't be serious?
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(Oh and PS - he didn't vote, just supported the wagon. I realize this means nothing in terms of his alignment, but considering you put "nice bandwagon vote", it's worth noting.)
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For you to make that statement is not a big deal. You didn't spend half of the day creating and then futilely attempting to support a case against me. Arimnaes did and, despite most people involved saying that the case was terrible, he continues to take pot shots at me. Arimnaes' statement accomplishes nothing for the town if he is town. If he DOES get NKed, now, if anything, it makes me look better, because no scum would be so stupid as to NK someone after a statement like that. And if he's scum, it's just one more pot shot that he gets to take at me.
As far as Ged, you're right. He didn't actually vote, nor indicate an intention to do so before the lynch occurs. If anything, if Ged comes up town, that makes Arimnaes look worse. It looks like he is supporting the lynch now, but if people look at voting records etc later, his name won't be there. Thanks for clearing that up.
@SB: If you are the vig do as you wish. announcing your NK won't do anything but draw a NK from another source and could potentially invalidate any 'proof'. And not at CPE until we have his partner.
@Ged: Horrible claim, followed by another. I really don't know why he hasn't been lynched yet...
@Cyan/Arim: Seems like two townies arguing to me, though. Even the 'most far-reaching errounous logic ever' seems more like bitterness than an actual attempt to accomplish anything.
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1) There's nothing wrong with SB killing cpe if he wants to. If he actually turns up town and two people claim to be his mason partner, I don't think there's a reason for the town to complain, since it's a 1-for-1.
2) Are you voting for Ged? Maybe you could do us all a favor...
3) Cyan's post was pretty bad in terms of logic, but I agree that I could see arimnaes behaving like that as scum, and that arim's case on Cyan is weak as weak can be. I may fault Cyan's arguments, but his stance seems pretty reasonable to me.
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(8 to lynch)
Treigit - 1 (StormBlind)
creampuffeater - 1 (Niv)
Cyan - 1 (arimnaes)
Ged - 6 (Disrupt Your Hymn, GiftsTrix, Apokalypse Kid, Billium Tate, Cyan, Vampyr)
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I'm so going to kick you from across the web if you are actually town.
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Treigit - 1 (StormBlind)
creampuffeater - 1 (Niv)
Cyan - 1 (arimnaes)
Ged - 8 (Disrupt Your Hymn, GiftsTrix, Apokalypse Kid, Billium Tate, Cyan, Vampyr, Sutherlands, Ged)
You eventually decide on the well-dressed, well-groomed middle aged man in the corner. You wander over to him and stare him down for a few moments.
"C'mon, guys, you know me! I'm George Clooney! You know, actor, director, stud. I was on ER, guys! ER!"
A murmur ripples across the crowd, and a confused look appears on Sutherlands' face. "Um... what's ER?"
Ged stares at him for a moment. "You know, ER, that medical drama show. I was on it in the 90s."
"Oh, you mean Grey's Anatomy."
"No."
"General Hospital?"
"Uh-uh."
"Um... Private Practice?"
Ged groans. "Oh, to hell with it." And in one swift motion, he pulls out his still-loaded gun and shoots himself. Baffled, you watch his body crumple, alongside the familiar piece of paper.
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He was indeed George Clooney, Town One-Shot Jack.
Still wondering what show he was talking about, you slowly shuffle up to your rooms. In spite of his poor luck, Ged was working for the town, and without recognizing it, the town had lost yet another useful asset.
It is now Night. Actions are due in 72 hours.
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Wait for it.
There it is.
With a collective groan, you all discover that two of you are absent. You shuffle back out to go look for them, ready for the worst. And indeed, that's a rather fitting way of looking at it.
The first body you find is carrion pigeons'. He's lying on the floor of his room. Well, what's left of him is. You suspect that whomever went after him took a good whack at him, based on the arterial spray on the walls and ceiling. He's no much more than a sack of blood, mush, and bones at this point, but he did you all the favor of leaving his papers around for you to find. Cyan's the first to spot the four voting ballots, untouched, lying on his bed. "Where did he get all of those?"
This confirms in your mind that carrion pigeons was one of the town's greatest resources, and a tremendous loss. He was Mr. Burns, Town Misanthrope.
Next to him is the note:
I've got the smile of a local man
Who's got the loneliest feeling.
The town then spreads out, but can't seem to find the last person in any of the rooms. Finally, StormBlind spots it: a small puddle of blood next to arimnaes' room. He points to the end of the hallway, and you can make out, just barely, drops of blood on a broken window. With much trepidation, you wander to the window and look at the scene.
Arimnaes' body is lying in a mess, but it's certainly not on the ground. Indeed, he's at least twenty feet up. His suit and body are studded with shards of glass, but those aren't the reason why he's still up there. That would be due to the tree branch that he was impaled by on the way down. With a shudder, you move away from the scene and to his room.
His room is a mess, but not in the way carrion pigeons' was. His is filled with electronic equipment of all kinds - video cameras, computers, telephones. With a shudder, you discover a series of tapes with labels on them: Night 1. Night 2. Night 3. And so on. Next to these is his note:
The head of state is calling my name
But I, I don't have time for you...
And with this is, most amusing of all, a resignation letter. It seems arimnaes was Alberto Gonzales, Mafia Tracker/Eliminator.
Having lost a valuable ally and defeated a powerful foe, the town, more confused than ever, wandered back to the boardroom. It seemed the battle was not quite over.
Still Moving
1. Niv
2. Billium Tate
3. Vampyr
4. Cyan
5. Sutherlands
6. GiftsTrix
7. creampuffeater
8. StormBlind
9. Apokalypse Kid
10. Wrath_of_DoG
11. Disrupt Your Hymn
12. Treigit
As They Say, "Finito"
0. Xyre, Neutral Mod Proxy. Silenced Night 0
1. Kraj, Jack Bauer, Town Vigilante. Crossbowed Day 1
2. Azrael, Dr. Pangloss, Town Prison Doctor. Crushed Night 1
3. Charm_Master3125, Huey Freeman, Town Analyst. Embraced a wall Night 1
4. loran16, Nikola Tesla, Mafia Roleblocker. Didn't have the skills Day 3.
5. HAWKEYE7, Guy Noir, Town Watcher. Drank himself to death Night 3.
6. AlphaInsidious, The Janitor, Mafia Janitor/Bomb. Became a crater Night 3.
7. Ged, George Clooney, Town One-Shot Jack. Lost his star power Day 4.
8. carrion pigeons, Mr. Burns, Town Misanthrope. Whacked Night 4.
9. arimnaes, Alberto Gonzales, Mafia Tracker/Eliminator. Kissed the sky Night 4.
Missing in Action
1. bateleur, Kele Okereke, Neutral Jester. Made his escape Day 2
It is now Day 5. With twelve alive, it is 7 to lynch.
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I'd like to start hearing some input from AK. He (and his predecessor) has been able to slide through 4 game days without committing to much of anything, frankly. I'm going to go back through CPs content and see what he'd suggested over the course of the game that might have led to his being shot.
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Do I have your attention now?
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3 days before that was a one-liner
He said "I'm going to read up on CP sometime tonight, after work." and nothing came of it.
His reread apparently only pointed at CPE, who ended up a mason
The day before that he promised content which has never come
Piles the 4th vote on CPE with simply echoing DYH's sentiments
One line setup comment on 11/30
Puts treigit at -1, which forces the doctor out (and treigit's claim is strengthened imo by Arim's fishing on the odd details of his role)
WoD meaninglessly blusters at Billium for asking bat questions after bat was lynched (or near lynch)
-Many of his posts have little or no content
-Many of his posts have long lapses between them, IE posting only every 3 or 4 days
-the only original idea that he's had is a mass claim
-He has barned multiple wagons that ended up on townies (see kraj, treigit, CPE(?))
I think that WoD is my best lead. Vote WoD
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Any thoughts on the other players in the game? I've not really reviewed WoD or the case yet, but I'd like to get you on record about everyone, frankly.
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Nice to know that I was right about Arimnaes being scum.
I'd like to see SB vote someone now, so we know that he either A)didn't kill CP and/or B)is telling the truth about not being able to vote if he NKs someone.
@AK: It's pretty unsettling that you didn't even bother to comment on DYH's vote on you, instead just focusing all of your interest onto WoD. Not to say that your points there aren't valid, because it seems like they are, but I would think that you would at least bat an eyelash at someone voting you in such a decisive fashion.
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You find him interesting based on an ability that there's no confirmation of yet? How does make him interesting? Do you find his asking to hammer a good thing or a bad thing? If given the power to make Niv claim his ability, would you make him do so?
So, you measure how town-like someone is by how much they stick out? How is that possible? Should you not be suspicious of someone who fails to come across as town like, rather than assign them a town value for not acting scummy?
See above. You don't even mention if it's the pretty town looking or the not sticking out that gains me the "as well" comment.
Just because Cyan was on the opposite side of an argument with a dead scum, it automatically gives him a pass in your book? Has he done nothing else in what you've read to merit a vote to be a townie?
Oh, so suddenly, the mafia can't have any info roles? Arim, the mafia tracker, would like to have a word with you. Has Suth done anything else beside be his role that has lead you to believe his alignment to be town?
Exactly how so? And what do you mean by neutral? Has he done nothing to sway your opinion? Or has he done some scummy things and some town things that cancel each other out? If he has done some scummy things and some town things, what were they? Just calling him neutral means nothing.
And, as previously discussed, he and his partner are not mod confirmed. Does this not bother you? Do you not find this suspicious? You're just going to take him being a mason at face value and leave it at that? Do you agree or disagree with everything people were saying about CPE as he was being wagoned?
Well, not a complete vig. How do you feel about the possiblity of having a full vig (Kraj) and a nerfed vig (SB) in the game? Do you buy into it? If so, why? Do you believe his drawback is legit? Or is it just a lame false claim?
Yeah, you're you and you're starting to garner suspicion from a few people. You need to pick up your content from here on out or people will start to think you plan on killing them in their sleep.
You did, and I honestly didn't take the time to go back and look over your accusations against him, primarily because of the lack of linking or listing of posts. In the future you might want to make it easier on the people you're trying to convince by linking back to the points you're making.
Why are you getting such a read from DYH? What has he done that comes across as town like? DYH is a very skilled player, how easy do you think it would be for him to fool you and appear as a townie?
A form of doc that is still alive. Does that not make you suspicious?
I actually forgot about Treigit being a doc. What's up with him living and CP dying? That's making me suspicious.
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