Also, if you look at the first post, it kinda has an error in it... it skips night 5 and instead calls it night 6, so that's what I was referring to in that post.
Private Mod Note
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Hey, you! Yeah, you behind the computer screen! You're unconstitutional.
Also, if you look at the first post, it kinda has an error in it... it skips night 5 and instead calls it night 6, so that's what I was referring to in that post.
Ah well. The house went through a wormhole. Sorry I didn't tell you guys that.
The "More Traffic!" Vote Count
(4 to lynch)
GiftsTrix - 1 (Niv)
Unluckyville....wait, wasn't that a game at WIFOM? The game where I was a cop and not only was told alignments, but, detailed information about people's roles? WIFOM is a joke, virtually every 'bad game' that I can think of, I played in there. A role that is strictly worse than Vanilla town should not ever be created, because it is an all-but guaranteed lynch if that person ever draws suspicion, or even if they just have to participate in a mass claim...
For now, I think we should ignore DYH's role entirely. The problem is that A)we know nothing about it and B)the only way we'll learn anything is if I investigate someone, they come up scum, and get revealed as recruited SK or something(which seems unlikely, considering that DYH himself was immune to being investigated, according to Ged). Speculating about the role is pointless right now. I don't think it can work as just 'DYH targets anyone he feels like and they become his backup'. Apparently, you disagree. But nothing can be proven, and arguing about it is going to accomplish squat. If there are two kills tonight, then obviously tomorrow we're going to have to deal with the situation.
This kinda brings me to Niv. I am highly, highly suspicious of Niv. As I said, he went from acting fairly low-key(practically active lurking) to being highly, highly suspicious immediately following DYH dying. It really seems to me like something changed for him, which would obviously be him becoming the SK. I mean, he stated immediately and heavily pressing for a mass claim at this point. A mass claim that, all along, he had no intention of actually participating in. And I really don't see any reconciliation for his requesting to be the hammer vote repeatedly, especially in conjunction with the fact that he, quite clearly, lied about why he was requesting this in the first place. There is just no way that he randomly thought that one person might be a bomb, but didn't consider that on the previous lynches.
Niv is, far and away, the most suspicious person in this game. But I'll admit, however reluctantly, that the likelihood of Niv being mafia is low enough that he should get a pass..for now.
Looking for the most likely mafia suspect, it has to be WoD, for reasons that I spelled out earlier.
Beyond WoD, who is there really? Again, clearly, BT/Pod isn't mafia, Treigit isn't mafia, Niv probably isn't mafia, I'm not mafia. That leaves WoD, Sutherlands, GT. Sutherlands can't be the Godfather, meaning that I can resolve him tonight. GT has a town investigation. In fairness, the fact that he is claiming to be the only Vanilla in the entire game is a big bone of contention against him, but I don't think that his play warrants lynching him based upon this possibility. WoD is the odd man out. This is bolstered by the fact that he has done nothing but lurk all game, and when he was essentially forced to show up, all he did was act like scum. And there is his claim, which can't be verified, and his request for a Day 1 mass claim doesn't really mesh with that claim anyway, IMO.
As far as Vampyr, he said that his N4(I think..the last night he was alive) action was copying Treigit's ability to Treigit himself. He also flatly stated that the scene described to him was that he went into the room after someone else already had, and healed Treigit. Though it's strange that Treigit himself denied this claim, the fact that Vampyr comes up town confirms his statements, and confirms Treigit has a Doctor. An innocent investigation on him confirms him as town(obviously he's not a Godfather Doctor).
Sorry, I realized after the fact that wasn't as clear as I'd hoped, observe the numbers.
there is nothing more i can say. I was warry of such roles. I know this really dosent make sence, but that is what I tohught. If I am lynched, I allreddy know i have locked up townie LVP. I know it is establised that I am not mafia, however, if it were proven that I am truly untargetable, would that clear me? beacuse i think suth would do exelent at that.
I agree with pretty much the entirety of Suth's most recent post. The one caveat would be that I don't find anything suspicious about a single vanilla existing in the setup.
After seing a bomb in the game, i was thinking htat there was a chance of a similar role,and i hped that a role like that oculdn't hit me.
Do you notice the part where you say "in the game"? Now you're saying that you predicted the possibility of this role existing in the game. Did you recently play a game in which there was a SS/bomb? If so, which, where and when? Did you stop trying to hammer after you saw the bomb in this game?
I agree with pretty much the entirety of Suth's most recent post. The one caveat would be that I don't find anything suspicious about a single vanilla existing in the setup.
Also:
Do you notice the part where you say "in the game"? Now you're saying that you predicted the possibility of this role existing in the game. Did you recently play a game in which there was a SS/bomb? If so, which, where and when? Did you stop trying to hammer after you saw the bomb in this game?
I had just read the Mafia wiki animated list of roles cause i was bored.
I was also not as enthusistic about being the hammer, but i sorta kept it up, cause i didn't want to look to suspicious.
You didn't want to look suspicious so you call for the hammer vote...
I think WoD or Niv is the best call for today, I'm fairly convinced that WoD is the last mafia and that Niv is the SK. Who's more dangerous? Killing the SK guarantees us only 1 kill tonight while mafia is only what 85-90% chance that there are only 1 left? (Yes that's a made up statistic. No I can't do math).
Tri: you said earlier you can protect yourself and Cyan for one more night. correct?
Could you instead protect Cyan and suth one more night.
We lose you tonight possibly, but we still gain an investigation on suth by cyan, and suth tries to gain my lyrics and will fail. proving my untargetability (and that i couldn't have been recruted by the SK). if we lynch WoD, then tomorow, I'm confirmed, Cyan is confirmed, Suth is either confirmed, BT is confirmed, GT is semi confirmed. then all we have to deal with is the SK.
This is ridiculous, how scummy is Niv going to be allowed to act while people just look the other way. This is like the 3rd time today that he has blatantly fished for information on Treigit's role works. And now, he asks Treigit, who is not only completely confirmed town, but also confirmed as the Doc, to sacrifice himself..and for what? So we know that iv is untargetable? Untargetability that barely proves anything. If DYH's ability was passed on, it is highly, highly unlikely that he had to target someone for this to happen. Why would a Mod make a recruiting SK that could be foiled by something as simple as untargetability?
All of this desperation effort by Niv to show how he couldn't be the SK, when we don't even know if there *is* another SK, only proves to me that he is lying. Vote Niv. I doubt that you'll get me to move my vote today. Niv is the scummiest player in the game by far, and he gets scummier with every post. He has to be the SK.
This is ridiculous, how scummy is Niv going to be allowed to act while people just look the other way. This is like the 3rd time today that he has blatantly fished for information on Treigit's role works. And now, he asks Treigit, who is not only completely confirmed town, but also confirmed as the Doc, to sacrifice himself..and for what? So we know that iv is untargetable? Untargetability that barely proves anything. If DYH's ability was passed on, it is highly, highly unlikely that he had to target someone for this to happen. Why would a Mod make a recruiting SK that could be foiled by something as simple as untargetability?
All of this desperation effort by Niv to show how he couldn't be the SK, when we don't even know if there *is* another SK, only proves to me that he is lying. Vote Niv. I doubt that you'll get me to move my vote today. Niv is the scummiest player in the game by far, and he gets scummier with every post. He has to be the SK.
I have some stuff i'd like to say, but first a question for Cyan
I die, i com up as town. where do you sudgest the remainder of the town goes from there assuming BT dies during hte night?
@Pod: For any incident that you can find where I made some error that you consider to be devastating, I can find an example of a situation where I stuck to my guns and was completely vindicated. Hell, Bateleur and Loran, *in this game*, are primary examples of this.
As for DYH's ability, I just don't see the likelihood of it being a targeted ability, particularly not in a game that features untargetable roles. I didn't even think about DYH theoretically trying to target a mafioso w/ his ability. If anything, that point goes to prove it more likely that DYH's ability doesn't just target somebody at random, but rather, that a specific person inherits the ability if DYH dies.
@Niv: I have no way to answer that question, because there isn't enough information avaliable now. Obviously I'll be investigating Sutherlands tonight, but how we proceed tomorrow depends on a few different factors. One of these situations will occur: A)Sutherlands comes up scum. Pretty easy solution there..we lynch him, I investigate WoD next, we go from there. More likely is that Sutherlands will come up town. At that point, it depends upon how many kills we see. If we saw 2 kills, then uhh..the game is over, honestly, so hopefully that isn't the case. If we saw one kill, then the remaining scum pretty much have to be WoD and/or GT, so, we lynch WoD and then GT.
If we're accepting the possible existence of an SK, then I can't see it being anyone but Niv. Again, his behavior became drastically altered as soon as DYH died, and he became highly insistent upon a mass claim. He then proceeded to refuse to claim himself, assuming that being Bart Simpson would give him carte blanche. But as soon as another day past, he reluctantly went along with our requests that he claim. Conveniently enough, he claimed untargetable. Nevermind that this means that Kraj can't win the game, we're just supposed to assume that Xyre completely and utterly bastard modded Kraj, or that Niv has some clause in his role that would allow Kraj to target him(you have to wonder how this would work if Vampyr copied Kraj to target Niv..technically Kraj wouldn't be targetting Niv, but then, he sort of would..so..yeah). The nuances of that situation are just dumb and nonsensical. Once you factor in the various inconsistencies in Niv's earlier request(s) to be the hammer vote, the evidence against him is staggering, IMO.
I dunno. I really want to lynch Niv.But I'm also concerned about mislynching and then seeing 2 kills tonight, because that is simply game over. Maybe we should just NL..Sutherlands and I can both try to target Niv tonight. If there are 2 NKs, one of us will die, along with BT, but at least we'll go into tomorrow with 5 alive, a small chance of winning, and some kind of concrete answer regarding Niv. If there is only one kill tonight, than that helps us plan accordingly as well. This might be the best strategy, especially since the deadline is only 6 days out.
even though Niv has been scummy the correct play is still WoD.
Points against WoD
1) Plaid scummy all game. Bandwagoning, Lurking. Anti-Town behavior in general.
2) Unconformable role which...
3) he was so eager to claim so it wont be confirmed yet he will be protected.
Points against Niv
1) Contradiction in 'hammer' justification
2) Fishing Doc info.
3) Desire to expose Doc to a NK.
4) Scummy side showing post DYH death leading to the possibility he was recruited.
The reason WoD makes a better lynch is because he's more likely Mafia. At this point we don't even know if we have a recruited SK or not. Scummy as he may be I'm not thoroughly convinced he's the play today because of the Kraj issue. Yes it's possible Kraj had to shoot him himself but I want more information before I settle on him.
Despite the contradiction I can't see lynching Niv first right now. We have only speculation that there is currently a SK out there, but we know there are mafia. From a design perspective I can actually see several factors that potentially make niv a better candidate for SK, still I don't want to take that chance.
Oh, and no, I have no intent to reveal what my protection options are for tonight, though I will read and consider all suggestions.
Sigh. I guess you guys are right. We all seem to agree that WoD is the most likely mafia candidate, and that Niv is the most likely SK candidate(well, most of us agree on this latter point). But we know that another mafia exists, while we can only speculate(and honestly, hopefully we're just worrying about nothing) about the existence of a secondary SK role. For now, I'm fine with going along with a Vote WoD.
also, i am happy to UnVote, Vote WoD. wouldn't it be gfunny if he is the sk ;-)
Cyan, cae tyo lynch?
also, just want to ask another question:
How is it scummy to directally ask about someones role. if it is not n the twons best intest the will just not answer. and having devoloped a style that mainly is asking questions bluntly, i really see no problem in asking tri about his role. he just didn't answe and i am fine with that. I think IH puts it best.
Quote from IH elsewhere »
Rolefishing is fishing for someones role. It's called fishing because it requires subtlety. When you grab a shotgun and start firing into the water, thats not fishing
all in all, ive een town in every game i've ever played. you'd think i could do it better by now
It's a major hassle to come up with a 50 word post when all I want to do is Unvote, Vote WoD.
But seriously Niv, telling us that you're town all of the time doesn't mean anything, nor does it do anything for you. Just because you were town 700 other times(exaggeration) has nothing to do with this game.
Similarly, fishing is fishing. Whether you're subtle or not is irrelevant, you're still asking for information about someone's role when there is no reason for you to have said info, and certainly, no reason for it to be stated in public. I mean seriously, are you really trying to justify asking Treigit, in plain sight, exactly how his role works? Gah.
The "A Vague, Haunting Mass Appeal" Vote Count
(4 to lynch) Wrath of DoG - 4 (Sutherlands, Cyan, GiftsTrix, Cyan)
Michael grins. "So it's a lurker lynch you fine fellows want, then?" He wanders around, looking at each of you. "Do I detect a hint of desperation in your actions? Or maybe some of you don't care? Shame, considering the stakes."
He turns, pointing to Wrath of DoG, sleeping in his chair. "Well, then, gents, have at him."
Cyan is the first to act, throwing a makeshift noose over a crossbeam in the room, while GiftsTrix picks Wrath of DoG up and drags him over. A few minutes of struggling later, it's over, and you all stand back to admire your work.
Wrath of DoG chooses this moment to wake up, and begins thrashing against the inevitable. In the process, a scrap of paper falls from his pocket.
In a deep, deep sleep of the innocent
I am born again
"What?" Treigit replies.
Eventually, Wrath of DoG stops moving so much, and soon, he's quiet. You all breathe a sigh of relief.
Michael walks back in. "Well, men, I have a nice dinner prepared for you in the kitchen. Come along." Anxious to eat, you all exit. One hour and the finest medium-rare prime rib you've ever consumed later, you return to the room to figure out Wrath of DoG. The results, of course, are surprising.
The noose, once occupied, is now empty. There are scratching marks on the rope, and footprints leading out the door. "Dammit, Cyan, what part of 'tie it tight' don't you seem to understand?" Sutherlands explained.
"I tied it tight! He died!" Cyan returned, apparently frustrated.
Suddenly, you hear a blast coming from outside, back in the kitchen. You run out to discover Wrath of DoG's dead body lying in front of Michael, who's holding a shotgun. He shrugs and grins. "You know what they say about zombies." You are all dumb-struck.
It appears that Wrath of DoG, Elvis Presley, Town Zombie, has finally had his swan-song.
Confused and exhausted, you all return to your rooms. Time was getting short, and soon, there wouldn't be any left. The town would have to act fast.
Niv appears from his room, eyes glazed. He looks like he had a few too many drinks last night, and he definitely didn't have any nice dreams. Soon, Cyan joins him.
"I don't know what to do, man. It feels like we're not making any progress," Niv says.
Cyan frowns. "Well, we do know a great deal about the enemy. I suppose it's only a matter of time." He takes a sip from the coffee cup in front of him, when suddenly, the moment is shattered by a screech from upstairs. The two of them look at each other, then run towards the sound.
GiftsTrix is standing over Sutherlands' body, with his hand over his mouth. Sutherlands' throat is torn to ribbons and almost completely gone, and he is lying in a gargantuan pool of his own blood. Another resource gone.
Clenched in his hand is a note. Billium Tate, who looks a lot like Pod, pulls it out of his hand and reads it, then laughs. "This guy has a real sick sense of humor..."
Slower and more calculated, no chance of escape
Now self-employed, concerned, but powerless.
He checks Sutherlands' wallet. "Says here he's Thom Yorke, Town Musician."
The five of you look at each other. "Well then, gents", Niv says, "I guess we're in for the long haul now."
Sigh. I targeted Sutherlands...whom, quite obviously, came up as town. It seemed like there was a good possibility of him being a scum flavor Cop, and I didn't think that the scum would kill him, for this reason, when they could try to pin a lynch on him, and kill someone(Pod) that has no chance of being scum(barring SK shenanigans).
I don't get what is going on in this game. There has to be 2 scum of some form, but there was only one kill. I can't imagine a killer targetting someone that would even have a *chance* of being doc protected this late in the game. Would one of the killers really skip their kill to try and throw us off? That just doesn't seem likely to me. Maybe we only have one scum left...that would be something amazing.
At any rate, either GT is the Godfather, or, Niv is lying about his untargetability. I can very easily test Niv tonight, so I guess the right choice for today is to lynch GT.
Considering that no one else has any information to put forth, and it's unlikely that we're going to believe anything that GT says(particularly considering that he is, supposedly, the only Vanilla role in the entire game), I'm ready to lynch him and, hopefully, end this game.
@Pod: I thought that you were clearly the most likely to get NKed last night...Sutherlands getting killed makes little sense, honestly. I wanted to rule out as many people as possible. If we came into day confirming Niv's untargetability(which doesn't even confirm his role honestly), and you had been NKed, that would leave both Sutherlands and GT as possibilities. I felt like it was better to get a concrete result here. As I said, I can simply target Niv tonight...nothing will be able to stop me, really.
What else can I say besides that the whole of my case is that I have no role? Is it really that odd that in a game w/ a jester, a recruiting SK, a bomb, a one-shot jack, antagonistic mason pair, analyst, and a prison doctor that there would be one role without an ability to mix things up?
Have I plaid scummy? Can you make a case against me that is semi-coherent that dosn't involve my claim?
Why in the world would I kill sutherlands? That leaves my head on the chopping block that would be idiotic at best.
Why would I claim vanilla as the GF? Why not something that wouldn't draw suspicion? Backup cop?
If there 'has' to be 2 kill roles Cyan how will mislynching today give us a way to win? Kill GT today and investigate Niv tommorw. If there are two kill roles...we just lost.
Nis is the SK. He has been commiting behavioral tells since DYH died.
He wanted to hammer but for no reason. Maybe he's only untargetable when he hammers. Notice how he didn't hammer WoD when he was suspicted of being investigated?
He was constantly fishing for doc information yesterday and even tried to persuade Tregit to not protect himself.
You knew what I was going to say before i posted. Cyan disobeyed a direct plan that he supported for the town. So we can get something 'concrete' like another dead body.
I am actually fearing that we have not a Mafia and an SK at out hands but two mafia.
we are all in agreement, that I can't be mafia, Neither can tri, Neither can BT/pod.
by process of elimination, either Cyan, GT or both are the remaning mafia. personally i think both. this part is pure speculation, however CM's role townie analyst, would make total sence as being the cop. then we look at the setup reveled so far. the town has had amazing power, and to ballence that, mafia would have had have some conciderable power as well. out of 22 players, 6 scum is not unheard of with this power, especially with such a swingy powerful setup with two vigs. (ignoring the jester, who i would put to be nutral in balence, especially since it canceled nightkills, it even favored the town.) so with that in mind GT is the right lynch for today.
then if the recruting SK had to pass on his role, I could not have been targeted (debatable) however i would also argue that mafia couln't have been targeted. also, I recived a flavoe pm tonight about being targeted by suth, therefore i would assume that Tri may have also got a flavor pm if he successfually protected someone. if he did then we know there is another killer out there. so, Direct, blatent, question for tri:
do you know if there is a second killer?
further on though, if tri passed on his role, he would most likeley pass on his role to whoever was the most confirmed as town at the time. who would that have been? imo at that time it would have been tri or BT. however imo, the only possibilities for a SK are Tri and BT assuming GT and cyan are both mafia.
the way cyan has been attacking me, plus my speculations, which if anyone disagrees with, plus the kind of information we get if he isn't around tomorow over GT. therefor my vote to lynch would be cyan right now, however nothing too rash as i firmly belive that this is lyol stage, and one wrong vote can spell death.
Niv, are you really saying that, even though you are untargetable, the Mod notified you that someone attempted to target you? Seriously, this makes so little sense that it is virtually unthinkable.
I think that Niv has slipped up here, and given the lie to his own claim. I view this as him knowing that he is some kind of scum, knowing that there is going to be another night period, knowing that I'm going to investigate him and it's going to be successful, so now he is trying to get me eliminated to avoid this happening. I would guess that Niv is the SK, and he killed Sutherlands, while the mafia kill failed somehow. Especially considering that Niv just tried to say that the 'mo' on last night's kill reads as the SK, not the mafia. This comes across to me as a classic example of someone that has inside information, trying to present it as speculation. And failing miserably.
The argument that I'm not the Cop is absurd, and reeks of desperation. There hasn't been a Cop. I don't know what an Analyst is, but, clearly it's not a Cop. Every other role in the game followed traditional rolenames, to argue that the Cop would randomly be something else is just silliness, and has no basis.
The closer we get the end of the game, the more scummy Niv acts. You can practically visualize him chomping at the bit to win the game as SK.
But, even taking all of that into consideration, GT is still the right lynch today. There is, however small, some off chance that Niv is just acting like a completely scummy tool, but is actually town. GT is guaranteed to be the Godfather.
If I am the godfather then someone should be able to make a case.
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Not to mention it would be completly idiotic for me to kill sutherlands.
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No one want to respond to the actual issue?
Maybe Niv killed Sutherlands, so I shoot at someone who's doc protected?
The case is, simply that, you have to be the Godfather...because it really can't be anyone else.
And you're right, it's definitely possible that Niv killed Sutherlands, and that your kill got soaked up by a Doc protection. We've all acknowledged that possibility already.
Pod's point about you wanting to make sure that your kill went through is also possible.
We simply don't know, and you are the best lynch available to us.
I had a scum investigation on Arimnaes at that point, and I felt that it was obvious that he was just fishing for me to, even indirectly, signal that I was the Cop(clearly he thought that I had some kind of inside information). So I stated that I didn't have the information he wanted me to have. I was hoping for some reactions from other people, tying themselves to Arimnaes, but unfortunately this didn't happen really(I felt that GT was the closest there, which is why I investigated him next). I knew that it wouldn't matter if I hedged away from my own role, because I'd be able to claim later. If Arimnaes was alive at that time, I would just out him then. If I had gotten NKed, I would imagine that people would realize that my insistence that Arimnaes was scum was due to having investigated him. At least, I hope that this is the case.
I didn't have an opinion of AI at all really, he had pretty much stayed under the radar. I never considered investigating him. The only thing I really remembered about him was giving him + points for his reaction to the Kraj wagon on Day 1.
I included quotes initially to A)make my role seem less likely to be a power role(traditionally, roles with post restrictions are not power roles). Plus, I was worried about my posts not being long enough, as I said. I tend to post frequently(though my PR resulted in me posting alot less in this game than I usually do), and knew that there would be times, particularly early in the game, where I wasn't going to be able to put 50 words into a post, so I just included the quotes to ensure that each post was long enough.
I don't necessarily think that DYH picked Niv. I don't think that DYH necessarily picked someone at all. I think that either A)the ability was just passed off at random or B)that there was one specific person that would receive it if DYH did. I feel that Niv is the most likely person to have become the SK because his play changed dramatically, literally overnight, starting the day after DYH died and his ability would have been passed on.
WIFOM is a different environment than here. Here, you can present a case against someone, engage various people in conversation, and get something accomplished. On WIFOM, when I played there, the only way to spur people to action(especially because everyone there loved CPE for some reason) was through drastic means. For another example, I was a Cop in a game on MTGNews, and I stored something like 3 investigation results(guilty ones) before revealing them and dismantling the mafia entirely.
I didn't attack Arimnaes because I felt like he(and by association, his scum buddies) were already clued into the possibility of me being the Cop. I felt like it would be too obvious if, immediately after leading successful lynches against 2 scum, I pressed hard on another person and they came up scum. I wanted to be able to bide my time and draw out some more scum, and considering the likelihood of Arimnaes continuing to attack me, I thought that some ofh is scum buddies and/or the SK would probably go along with it, thus giving themselves away.
I couldn't have said, on Day 1, that I didn't get to use my ability on N1. On N0, I targeted Loran, but again, I wasn't going to give anyone that I suspected was scum clues about this. I knew that Loran was scum, so I knew that Bateleur was lying somehow. Why would I want to give him a clue about me being the Cop? Sutherlands already asked me this question, I believe.
I played my role as close to the vest as possible(or tried to, obviously I made some errors, such as the post that clued Arimnaes into me having an information role to begin with), for as long as possible, because I felt like this was the necessary course of action.
I was Cop a few games in a row on News, I'm honestly not sure which of those games it was...they all occured well over a year ago, as well. If you really need to know, I can go figure it out, but it's going to take me some time.
I'm not sure that Treigit revealing his protection target is a great idea. If the game doesn't end today, it seems like the best option is simply for the remaining scum to be in the dark about whom to NK.
I agree that some input, at all, would be great from Treigit, though.
There were no kill atempts on non Suth persons last night. This means either both SK and Mafia went after Suth, we have no SK, or one of our killing groups chose to forgo there kill.
In general I'm very much in favor of a GT lynch, the fact that Suth was the kill does give me pause though, he was rather obviously the best misslynch. (Assuming that Niv is truthful, if niv is not then it's not a misslynch.)
As for my night action tonight I haven't yet decided entirely, but pod is on the short list of possible targets.
Niv, can you tell us the flavor of your untargetability.
Mafia
Niv: Unlikely. Kraj specifically had to kill Niv and the scum. I actually suspect you are putting the bastardlyness in the wrong place, and the reason that Kraj's role sucked monkey balls was because he had to vig the untargetable guy, meaning he could only do it via lynch, which would be much harder.
Trei: Claimed Doctor in a game with a Partial Doc, an Untargetable and a self-ressurector in. Doctor unnecessary with all those roles, and 'erm my ability could fail at any point but imma not gonna tell you when so when the cop dies it's totally not my fault ok giez awesome' does not inspire.
Suth- Possible, though to my mind not likely. I'm of the opinion that our remaining mafia is a GF, or some other role that has the ability to be immune, whether it's untargetabilty or standard cop immunity, and flavourcoppedness is something that I can perfectly plausibly see attached to a role of this type with a mafia as powerful as this one seems to be.
Cyan: Maybe, doubtful.
WoD: Still need to read up on WoD.
Gifts: Rafk was not in his town mode. Still need to read Gift's contributions.
A better way of putting why we should lynch GT...
...(probally BT will Die) tonight, then we are left with only suth and wod to choose form. and one of them will have a cop investigation. i think it is a good plan, but that's just me
Everyone alive yesterday (excluding me)stated the top three mafia candidates are 1)Me 2) WoD 3) Suth.
There were no kill atempts on non Suth persons last night. This means either both SK and Mafia went after Suth, we have no SK, or one of our killing groups chose to forgo there kill.
Would I shoot suth when it not only is implied, but is painstakingly obvious that it leaves my head on the chopping block as 'the obvious choice for a lynch'?
I couldn't have shot at non-suth person b/c Trei confirmed it.
BT/Pod was an obvious choice for a NK having little to no chance at being doc protected so I would have no reason not to fire.
As has already been stated, you are quite possibly the last scum, or at least, the last mafia. In that case, obviously you are going to kill the person least likely to be Doc protected. A missed kill would be paramount to suicide now. I'm sure that you were frustrated that you had to kill someone that you wanted to try to setup for a mislynch, but that's how it goes sometimes. Incidentally, the arguments that you are using is, completely and utterly, WIFOM. For all we know, you factored this conversation into your thinking before you even made the kill.
This possible scenario has been presented a few times now, and you just keep ignoring it or something, and insisting that there is 'no way' that you would kill Sutherlands as scum. But according to your own logic, the mafia clearly targeted Sutherlands. There is no reason to doubt Treigit, and he states pretty plainly that no one else was targeted.
Your logic that you, as scum, wouldn't target Sutherlands because of the liklihood of creating a mislynch through him would have to apply to everyone else that could be mafia as well, but is also clearly not the case, according to Treigit, and is thereby completely invalid.
As has already been stated, you are quite possibly the last scum, or at least, the last mafia. In that case, obviously you are going to kill the person least likely to be Doc protected. A missed kill would be paramount to suicide now. I'm sure that you were frustrated that you had to kill someone that you wanted to try to setup for a mislynch, but that's how it goes sometimes. Incidentally, the arguments that you are using is, completely and utterly, WIFOM. For all we know, you factored this conversation into your thinking before you even made the kill.
This possible scenario has been presented a few times now, and you just keep ignoring it or something, and insisting that there is 'no way' that you would kill Sutherlands as scum. But according to your own logic, the mafia clearly targeted Sutherlands. There is no reason to doubt Treigit, and he states pretty plainly that no one else was targeted.
Your logic that you, as scum, wouldn't target Sutherlands because of the liklihood of creating a mislynch through him would have to apply to everyone else that could be mafia as well, but is also clearly not the case, according to Treigit, and is thereby completely invalid.
Okay let me explain this a little bit easier okay?
BT/Pod is a mason. Sutherlands and you are investigative roles (claimed anyway) both you and Sutherlands had a high chance of being doc protected. BT did not.
I would not kill suth b/c it leads directly to ME. Not because it would lead to a mislynch but because it would almost guarantee MY lynch. All i had to do was read the thread to know that if i killed sutherlands after WoD was lynched that I would die the next day.
Here is the logic for Cyan version.
1) BT is the most likely to be nk-able as in not protected.
2) BT is the obvious kill.
3) Sutherlands is one of the only 2 people who are being considered as mafia, myself as the other one.
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Therefore-> If I kill sutherlands he might not die and if he does I get lynched.
This isn't WIFOM anymore than accusing someone of fishing is. A town plaer who fishes for role names would have to be stupid. Me as scum killing sutherlands would have to be stupid. So in normal games of mafia we don't consider someone fishing for role names to be town. I would have had to be stupid AND daft to set myself up to be lynched when there is not only another target, but one that is almost guaranteed to die.
When you shot Sutherlands you knew I would be on the chopping block the next day.
I still don't actually think you killed Suth. I think the SK did that and you've been dumped into this position and are presently complaining about it. I haven't the foggiest idea what you did with your kill. Maybe you targetted Niv, thinking he was an sk lying about being untargetable, maybe you're a GF and you get unkillability if you skip your kill, maybe because you're GF, you're untrackable and that's why Trei didn't see anything last night when you targeted Trei's target, I don't think we'll know what's happening on that side of it until the game ends.
That's reaching pretty far. The fact that I claimed vanilla guarantees me to such a high degree to be GF that suddenly I'm uninvestigateable and I gain some other nifty tricks by not killing? And if I'm simply untargetable and Trei stopped my kill than 1) He would know because he didn't target me or 2)whoever I targeted would be dead.
Assuming I'm GF assumes that this is the only night that Mafia didn't shoot (excluding ones where they couldn't of course) to gain some ability that hasn't been desirable all game? Like what? The only thing I could think of would be lynch immunity and you can probably guess by the way I've been acting that if you vote I will die.
The more I think about it the more Cyan looks mafia to me. Claims cop. Claims he has a guilty on dead scum and innocent on living players he knows to be innocent. Then when we ask him to do something useful for the town he doesn't even target the right person. Rereading the Cyan/Vamp attacks and Cyan/Arim argument leads me to the same conclusion it did in #1541.
Just to clarify that, I don't have a guilty on GT, I have an Innocent on him., not a guilty result..but that only makes it more likely that he is the Godfather.
GT, you are, quite obviously, grasping at straws here. As Pod has eloquently explained, no one but you CAN be the Mafia Godfather.
If there is an SK, trying to puzzle out who it is has to be tomorrow's dilemma. Today we have to go with the very obvious lynch, which is you. Vote GiftTrix
@Pod: I'm confused by your last statement, but my vote is only the second vote anyway. Does 'get Treigit's okay' mean okay to end the day? If so, he can simply be the lynch vote.
...could treigit maybe be a nerfed doc? You know he protects once and the second time dies therefore he receives flavor having successfully protected? Therefore I did not shoot into the protection?
What in the world was all of that? A)I don't understand at all what you just said and B)I don't understand what you are trying to prove/disprove here. Even if we accept that you didn't target Sutherlands, all that means, to us, is that you simply didn't target anybody. The baseline theory is that you are the Mafia Godfather, because, logically, who else could it be? I mean..fine. I could have planned to false-claim Cop the entire game(nevermind that I would have to have somehow known that there isn't an actual Cop in the game...). Niv could be bluffing his untargetability, and really be the GF, figuring that, combined with Kraj's role, we would just take it at face value. While these things are *possible* they are hugely unlikely. BT/Pod simply cannot be the GF, Treigit is as confirmed Innocent, and his ability is also confirmed via Vampyr. Compare that to you, having claimed Vanilla and..that's it. Clearly you are, far and away, our most likely lead as scum. I imagine it must be frustrating that you're being caught by process of elimination, but, that is how it goes sometimes.
If you're not, then, you didn't do us any favors just now. Obviously Pod wanted to hear from Treigit before the day ended. So no, I don't believe you, I think that you just gave up and are just being petty/antagonistic. If you are, in fact, telling the truth..I guess I'll be investigating Niv tonight, and I hope that it works out for the best.
Not being petty just giving the upper hand to the side I want to win. My lynch was inevitable. Trei already said he wanted me lynched so whenever Pod got through questioning him Trei would've voted and that I would be dead.
Feel free to explain how shortening the length of the day is giving the upper hand to the side that you want to win if you are town? Is that an erronous admission of guilt? If it's not, I really don't see how what you're saying remotely makes any sense whatsoever? Still sounds like you're just being petty and it's just a contradiction.
Also, if you look at the first post, it kinda has an error in it... it skips night 5 and instead calls it night 6, so that's what I was referring to in that post.
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For now, I think we should ignore DYH's role entirely. The problem is that A)we know nothing about it and B)the only way we'll learn anything is if I investigate someone, they come up scum, and get revealed as recruited SK or something(which seems unlikely, considering that DYH himself was immune to being investigated, according to Ged). Speculating about the role is pointless right now. I don't think it can work as just 'DYH targets anyone he feels like and they become his backup'. Apparently, you disagree. But nothing can be proven, and arguing about it is going to accomplish squat. If there are two kills tonight, then obviously tomorrow we're going to have to deal with the situation.
This kinda brings me to Niv. I am highly, highly suspicious of Niv. As I said, he went from acting fairly low-key(practically active lurking) to being highly, highly suspicious immediately following DYH dying. It really seems to me like something changed for him, which would obviously be him becoming the SK. I mean, he stated immediately and heavily pressing for a mass claim at this point. A mass claim that, all along, he had no intention of actually participating in. And I really don't see any reconciliation for his requesting to be the hammer vote repeatedly, especially in conjunction with the fact that he, quite clearly, lied about why he was requesting this in the first place. There is just no way that he randomly thought that one person might be a bomb, but didn't consider that on the previous lynches.
Niv is, far and away, the most suspicious person in this game. But I'll admit, however reluctantly, that the likelihood of Niv being mafia is low enough that he should get a pass..for now.
Looking for the most likely mafia suspect, it has to be WoD, for reasons that I spelled out earlier.
Beyond WoD, who is there really? Again, clearly, BT/Pod isn't mafia, Treigit isn't mafia, Niv probably isn't mafia, I'm not mafia. That leaves WoD, Sutherlands, GT. Sutherlands can't be the Godfather, meaning that I can resolve him tonight. GT has a town investigation. In fairness, the fact that he is claiming to be the only Vanilla in the entire game is a big bone of contention against him, but I don't think that his play warrants lynching him based upon this possibility. WoD is the odd man out. This is bolstered by the fact that he has done nothing but lurk all game, and when he was essentially forced to show up, all he did was act like scum. And there is his claim, which can't be verified, and his request for a Day 1 mass claim doesn't really mesh with that claim anyway, IMO.
As far as Vampyr, he said that his N4(I think..the last night he was alive) action was copying Treigit's ability to Treigit himself. He also flatly stated that the scene described to him was that he went into the room after someone else already had, and healed Treigit. Though it's strange that Treigit himself denied this claim, the fact that Vampyr comes up town confirms his statements, and confirms Treigit has a Doctor. An innocent investigation on him confirms him as town(obviously he's not a Godfather Doctor).
there is nothing more i can say. I was warry of such roles. I know this really dosent make sence, but that is what I tohught. If I am lynched, I allreddy know i have locked up townie LVP. I know it is establised that I am not mafia, however, if it were proven that I am truly untargetable, would that clear me? beacuse i think suth would do exelent at that.
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Also:
Do you notice the part where you say "in the game"? Now you're saying that you predicted the possibility of this role existing in the game. Did you recently play a game in which there was a SS/bomb? If so, which, where and when? Did you stop trying to hammer after you saw the bomb in this game?
I had just read the Mafia wiki animated list of roles cause i was bored.
I was also not as enthusistic about being the hammer, but i sorta kept it up, cause i didn't want to look to suspicious.
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I think WoD or Niv is the best call for today, I'm fairly convinced that WoD is the last mafia and that Niv is the SK. Who's more dangerous? Killing the SK guarantees us only 1 kill tonight while mafia is only what 85-90% chance that there are only 1 left? (Yes that's a made up statistic. No I can't do math).
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Vote WoD
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Could you instead protect Cyan and suth one more night.
We lose you tonight possibly, but we still gain an investigation on suth by cyan, and suth tries to gain my lyrics and will fail. proving my untargetability (and that i couldn't have been recruted by the SK). if we lynch WoD, then tomorow, I'm confirmed, Cyan is confirmed, Suth is either confirmed, BT is confirmed, GT is semi confirmed. then all we have to deal with is the SK.
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All of this desperation effort by Niv to show how he couldn't be the SK, when we don't even know if there *is* another SK, only proves to me that he is lying. Vote Niv. I doubt that you'll get me to move my vote today. Niv is the scummiest player in the game by far, and he gets scummier with every post. He has to be the SK.
I have some stuff i'd like to say, but first a question for Cyan
I die, i com up as town. where do you sudgest the remainder of the town goes from there assuming BT dies during hte night?
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As for DYH's ability, I just don't see the likelihood of it being a targeted ability, particularly not in a game that features untargetable roles. I didn't even think about DYH theoretically trying to target a mafioso w/ his ability. If anything, that point goes to prove it more likely that DYH's ability doesn't just target somebody at random, but rather, that a specific person inherits the ability if DYH dies.
@Niv: I have no way to answer that question, because there isn't enough information avaliable now. Obviously I'll be investigating Sutherlands tonight, but how we proceed tomorrow depends on a few different factors. One of these situations will occur: A)Sutherlands comes up scum. Pretty easy solution there..we lynch him, I investigate WoD next, we go from there. More likely is that Sutherlands will come up town. At that point, it depends upon how many kills we see. If we saw 2 kills, then uhh..the game is over, honestly, so hopefully that isn't the case. If we saw one kill, then the remaining scum pretty much have to be WoD and/or GT, so, we lynch WoD and then GT.
If we're accepting the possible existence of an SK, then I can't see it being anyone but Niv. Again, his behavior became drastically altered as soon as DYH died, and he became highly insistent upon a mass claim. He then proceeded to refuse to claim himself, assuming that being Bart Simpson would give him carte blanche. But as soon as another day past, he reluctantly went along with our requests that he claim. Conveniently enough, he claimed untargetable. Nevermind that this means that Kraj can't win the game, we're just supposed to assume that Xyre completely and utterly bastard modded Kraj, or that Niv has some clause in his role that would allow Kraj to target him(you have to wonder how this would work if Vampyr copied Kraj to target Niv..technically Kraj wouldn't be targetting Niv, but then, he sort of would..so..yeah). The nuances of that situation are just dumb and nonsensical. Once you factor in the various inconsistencies in Niv's earlier request(s) to be the hammer vote, the evidence against him is staggering, IMO.
I dunno. I really want to lynch Niv.But I'm also concerned about mislynching and then seeing 2 kills tonight, because that is simply game over. Maybe we should just NL..Sutherlands and I can both try to target Niv tonight. If there are 2 NKs, one of us will die, along with BT, but at least we'll go into tomorrow with 5 alive, a small chance of winning, and some kind of concrete answer regarding Niv. If there is only one kill tonight, than that helps us plan accordingly as well. This might be the best strategy, especially since the deadline is only 6 days out.
Points against WoD
1) Plaid scummy all game. Bandwagoning, Lurking. Anti-Town behavior in general.
2) Unconformable role which...
3) he was so eager to claim so it wont be confirmed yet he will be protected.
Points against Niv
1) Contradiction in 'hammer' justification
2) Fishing Doc info.
3) Desire to expose Doc to a NK.
4) Scummy side showing post DYH death leading to the possibility he was recruited.
The reason WoD makes a better lynch is because he's more likely Mafia. At this point we don't even know if we have a recruited SK or not. Scummy as he may be I'm not thoroughly convinced he's the play today because of the Kraj issue. Yes it's possible Kraj had to shoot him himself but I want more information before I settle on him.
Vote WoD
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Oh, and no, I have no intent to reveal what my protection options are for tonight, though I will read and consider all suggestions.
also, i am happy to UnVote, Vote WoD. wouldn't it be gfunny if he is the sk ;-)
Cyan, cae tyo lynch?
also, just want to ask another question:
How is it scummy to directally ask about someones role. if it is not n the twons best intest the will just not answer. and having devoloped a style that mainly is asking questions bluntly, i really see no problem in asking tri about his role. he just didn't answe and i am fine with that. I think IH puts it best.
all in all, ive een town in every game i've ever played. you'd think i could do it better by now
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It's a major hassle to come up with a 50 word post when all I want to do is Unvote, Vote WoD.
But seriously Niv, telling us that you're town all of the time doesn't mean anything, nor does it do anything for you. Just because you were town 700 other times(exaggeration) has nothing to do with this game.
Similarly, fishing is fishing. Whether you're subtle or not is irrelevant, you're still asking for information about someone's role when there is no reason for you to have said info, and certainly, no reason for it to be stated in public. I mean seriously, are you really trying to justify asking Treigit, in plain sight, exactly how his role works? Gah.
(4 to lynch)
Wrath of DoG - 4 (Sutherlands, Cyan, GiftsTrix, Cyan)
Michael grins. "So it's a lurker lynch you fine fellows want, then?" He wanders around, looking at each of you. "Do I detect a hint of desperation in your actions? Or maybe some of you don't care? Shame, considering the stakes."
He turns, pointing to Wrath of DoG, sleeping in his chair. "Well, then, gents, have at him."
Cyan is the first to act, throwing a makeshift noose over a crossbeam in the room, while GiftsTrix picks Wrath of DoG up and drags him over. A few minutes of struggling later, it's over, and you all stand back to admire your work.
Wrath of DoG chooses this moment to wake up, and begins thrashing against the inevitable. In the process, a scrap of paper falls from his pocket.
In a deep, deep sleep of the innocent
I am born again
"What?" Treigit replies.
Eventually, Wrath of DoG stops moving so much, and soon, he's quiet. You all breathe a sigh of relief.
Michael walks back in. "Well, men, I have a nice dinner prepared for you in the kitchen. Come along." Anxious to eat, you all exit. One hour and the finest medium-rare prime rib you've ever consumed later, you return to the room to figure out Wrath of DoG. The results, of course, are surprising.
The noose, once occupied, is now empty. There are scratching marks on the rope, and footprints leading out the door. "Dammit, Cyan, what part of 'tie it tight' don't you seem to understand?" Sutherlands explained.
"I tied it tight! He died!" Cyan returned, apparently frustrated.
Suddenly, you hear a blast coming from outside, back in the kitchen. You run out to discover Wrath of DoG's dead body lying in front of Michael, who's holding a shotgun. He shrugs and grins. "You know what they say about zombies." You are all dumb-struck.
It appears that Wrath of DoG, Elvis Presley, Town Zombie, has finally had his swan-song.
Confused and exhausted, you all return to your rooms. Time was getting short, and soon, there wouldn't be any left. The town would have to act fast.
Still Moving
1. Niv
2. Billium Tate
3. Cyan
4. Sutherlands
5. GiftsTrix
6. Treigit
As They Say, "Finito"
0. Xyre, Neutral Mod Proxy. Silenced Night 0
1. Kraj, Jack Bauer, Town Vigilante. Crossbowed Day 1
2. Azrael, Dr. Pangloss, Town Prison Doctor. Crushed Night 1
3. Charm_Master3125, Huey Freeman, Town Analyst. Embraced a wall Night 1
4. loran16, Nikola Tesla, Mafia Roleblocker. Didn't have the skills Day 3.
5. HAWKEYE7, Guy Noir, Town Watcher. Drank himself to death Night 3.
6. AlphaInsidious, The Janitor, Mafia Janitor/Bomb. Became a crater Night 3.
7. Ged, George Clooney, Town One-Shot Jack. Lost his star power Day 4.
8. carrion pigeons, Mr. Burns, Town Misanthrope. Whacked Night 4.
9. arimnaes, Alberto Gonzales, Mafia Tracker/Eliminator. Kissed the sky Night 4.
10. StormBlind, Robert Langdon, Town Repentant Vigilante. Charred (Modkill) Day 5.
11. Vampyr, Adrian Monk, Town Replicator. Cracked Day 5.
12. creampuffeater, Matt Albie, Town Antagonistic Mason. Torn limb from limb Night 6.
13. Disrupt Your Hymn, Eddie Brock aka Venom, Recruiting Serial Killer. Stabbed Night 6.
14. Apokalypse Kid, Kenny McCormick, Town VIP. Went diving Day 6.
15. Wrath of DoG, Elvis Presley, Town Zombie. Lynched, then modkilled Day 7.
Missing in Action
1. bateleur, Kele Okereke, Neutral Jester. Made his escape Day 2
It is now Night. Night actions are due in 72 hours, but day will start once all of them are in, so be quick about it.
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Niv appears from his room, eyes glazed. He looks like he had a few too many drinks last night, and he definitely didn't have any nice dreams. Soon, Cyan joins him.
"I don't know what to do, man. It feels like we're not making any progress," Niv says.
Cyan frowns. "Well, we do know a great deal about the enemy. I suppose it's only a matter of time." He takes a sip from the coffee cup in front of him, when suddenly, the moment is shattered by a screech from upstairs. The two of them look at each other, then run towards the sound.
GiftsTrix is standing over Sutherlands' body, with his hand over his mouth. Sutherlands' throat is torn to ribbons and almost completely gone, and he is lying in a gargantuan pool of his own blood. Another resource gone.
Clenched in his hand is a note. Billium Tate, who looks a lot like Pod, pulls it out of his hand and reads it, then laughs. "This guy has a real sick sense of humor..."
Slower and more calculated, no chance of escape
Now self-employed, concerned, but powerless.
He checks Sutherlands' wallet. "Says here he's Thom Yorke, Town Musician."
The five of you look at each other. "Well then, gents", Niv says, "I guess we're in for the long haul now."
Still Moving
1. Niv
2. Billium Tate
3. Cyan
4. GiftsTrix
5. Treigit
As They Say, "Finito"
0. Xyre, Neutral Mod Proxy. Silenced Night 0
1. Kraj, Jack Bauer, Town Vigilante. Crossbowed Day 1
2. Azrael, Dr. Pangloss, Town Prison Doctor. Crushed Night 1
3. Charm_Master3125, Huey Freeman, Town Analyst. Embraced a wall Night 1
4. loran16, Nikola Tesla, Mafia Roleblocker. Didn't have the skills Day 3.
5. HAWKEYE7, Guy Noir, Town Watcher. Drank himself to death Night 3.
6. AlphaInsidious, The Janitor, Mafia Janitor/Bomb. Became a crater Night 3.
7. Ged, George Clooney, Town One-Shot Jack. Lost his star power Day 4.
8. carrion pigeons, Mr. Burns, Town Misanthrope. Whacked Night 4.
9. arimnaes, Alberto Gonzales, Mafia Tracker/Eliminator. Kissed the sky Night 4.
10. StormBlind, Robert Langdon, Town Repentant Vigilante. Charred (Modkill) Day 5.
11. Vampyr, Adrian Monk, Town Replicator. Cracked Day 5.
12. creampuffeater, Matt Albie, Town Antagonistic Mason. Torn limb from limb Night 6.
13. Disrupt Your Hymn, Eddie Brock aka Venom, Recruiting Serial Killer. Stabbed Night 6.
14. Apokalypse Kid, Kenny McCormick, Town VIP. Went diving Day 6.
15. Wrath of DoG, Elvis Presley, Town Zombie. Lynched, then modkilled Day 7.
16. Sutherlands, Thom Yorke, Town Musician. Slashed Night 7.
Missing in Action
1. bateleur, Kele Okereke, Neutral Jester. Made his escape Day 2
Five alive means three to lynch.
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I don't get what is going on in this game. There has to be 2 scum of some form, but there was only one kill. I can't imagine a killer targetting someone that would even have a *chance* of being doc protected this late in the game. Would one of the killers really skip their kill to try and throw us off? That just doesn't seem likely to me. Maybe we only have one scum left...that would be something amazing.
At any rate, either GT is the Godfather, or, Niv is lying about his untargetability. I can very easily test Niv tonight, so I guess the right choice for today is to lynch GT.
Considering that no one else has any information to put forth, and it's unlikely that we're going to believe anything that GT says(particularly considering that he is, supposedly, the only Vanilla role in the entire game), I'm ready to lynch him and, hopefully, end this game.
Have I plaid scummy? Can you make a case against me that is semi-coherent that dosn't involve my claim?
Why in the world would I kill sutherlands? That leaves my head on the chopping block that would be idiotic at best.
Why would I claim vanilla as the GF? Why not something that wouldn't draw suspicion? Backup cop?
If there 'has' to be 2 kill roles Cyan how will mislynching today give us a way to win? Kill GT today and investigate Niv tommorw. If there are two kill roles...we just lost.
Nis is the SK. He has been commiting behavioral tells since DYH died.
He wanted to hammer but for no reason. Maybe he's only untargetable when he hammers. Notice how he didn't hammer WoD when he was suspicted of being investigated?
He was constantly fishing for doc information yesterday and even tried to persuade Tregit to not protect himself.
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we are all in agreement, that I can't be mafia, Neither can tri, Neither can BT/pod.
by process of elimination, either Cyan, GT or both are the remaning mafia. personally i think both. this part is pure speculation, however CM's role townie analyst, would make total sence as being the cop. then we look at the setup reveled so far. the town has had amazing power, and to ballence that, mafia would have had have some conciderable power as well. out of 22 players, 6 scum is not unheard of with this power, especially with such a swingy powerful setup with two vigs. (ignoring the jester, who i would put to be nutral in balence, especially since it canceled nightkills, it even favored the town.) so with that in mind GT is the right lynch for today.
then if the recruting SK had to pass on his role, I could not have been targeted (debatable) however i would also argue that mafia couln't have been targeted. also, I recived a flavoe pm tonight about being targeted by suth, therefore i would assume that Tri may have also got a flavor pm if he successfually protected someone. if he did then we know there is another killer out there. so, Direct, blatent, question for tri:
do you know if there is a second killer?
further on though, if tri passed on his role, he would most likeley pass on his role to whoever was the most confirmed as town at the time. who would that have been? imo at that time it would have been tri or BT. however imo, the only possibilities for a SK are Tri and BT assuming GT and cyan are both mafia.
the way cyan has been attacking me, plus my speculations, which if anyone disagrees with, plus the kind of information we get if he isn't around tomorow over GT. therefor my vote to lynch would be cyan right now, however nothing too rash as i firmly belive that this is lyol stage, and one wrong vote can spell death.
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the mo on last night's kill reads as an SK kill and not a mafia kill. but again just me
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I think that Niv has slipped up here, and given the lie to his own claim. I view this as him knowing that he is some kind of scum, knowing that there is going to be another night period, knowing that I'm going to investigate him and it's going to be successful, so now he is trying to get me eliminated to avoid this happening. I would guess that Niv is the SK, and he killed Sutherlands, while the mafia kill failed somehow. Especially considering that Niv just tried to say that the 'mo' on last night's kill reads as the SK, not the mafia. This comes across to me as a classic example of someone that has inside information, trying to present it as speculation. And failing miserably.
The argument that I'm not the Cop is absurd, and reeks of desperation. There hasn't been a Cop. I don't know what an Analyst is, but, clearly it's not a Cop. Every other role in the game followed traditional rolenames, to argue that the Cop would randomly be something else is just silliness, and has no basis.
The closer we get the end of the game, the more scummy Niv acts. You can practically visualize him chomping at the bit to win the game as SK.
But, even taking all of that into consideration, GT is still the right lynch today. There is, however small, some off chance that Niv is just acting like a completely scummy tool, but is actually town. GT is guaranteed to be the Godfather.
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Not to mention it would be completly idiotic for me to kill sutherlands.
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No one want to respond to the actual issue?
Maybe Niv killed Sutherlands, so I shoot at someone who's doc protected?
It makes absolutly no sense.
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And you're right, it's definitely possible that Niv killed Sutherlands, and that your kill got soaked up by a Doc protection. We've all acknowledged that possibility already.
Pod's point about you wanting to make sure that your kill went through is also possible.
We simply don't know, and you are the best lynch available to us.
I included quotes initially to A)make my role seem less likely to be a power role(traditionally, roles with post restrictions are not power roles). Plus, I was worried about my posts not being long enough, as I said. I tend to post frequently(though my PR resulted in me posting alot less in this game than I usually do), and knew that there would be times, particularly early in the game, where I wasn't going to be able to put 50 words into a post, so I just included the quotes to ensure that each post was long enough.
I don't necessarily think that DYH picked Niv. I don't think that DYH necessarily picked someone at all. I think that either A)the ability was just passed off at random or B)that there was one specific person that would receive it if DYH did. I feel that Niv is the most likely person to have become the SK because his play changed dramatically, literally overnight, starting the day after DYH died and his ability would have been passed on.
WIFOM is a different environment than here. Here, you can present a case against someone, engage various people in conversation, and get something accomplished. On WIFOM, when I played there, the only way to spur people to action(especially because everyone there loved CPE for some reason) was through drastic means. For another example, I was a Cop in a game on MTGNews, and I stored something like 3 investigation results(guilty ones) before revealing them and dismantling the mafia entirely.
I didn't attack Arimnaes because I felt like he(and by association, his scum buddies) were already clued into the possibility of me being the Cop. I felt like it would be too obvious if, immediately after leading successful lynches against 2 scum, I pressed hard on another person and they came up scum. I wanted to be able to bide my time and draw out some more scum, and considering the likelihood of Arimnaes continuing to attack me, I thought that some ofh is scum buddies and/or the SK would probably go along with it, thus giving themselves away.
I couldn't have said, on Day 1, that I didn't get to use my ability on N1. On N0, I targeted Loran, but again, I wasn't going to give anyone that I suspected was scum clues about this. I knew that Loran was scum, so I knew that Bateleur was lying somehow. Why would I want to give him a clue about me being the Cop? Sutherlands already asked me this question, I believe.
I played my role as close to the vest as possible(or tried to, obviously I made some errors, such as the post that clued Arimnaes into me having an information role to begin with), for as long as possible, because I felt like this was the necessary course of action.
I'm not sure that Treigit revealing his protection target is a great idea. If the game doesn't end today, it seems like the best option is simply for the remaining scum to be in the dark about whom to NK.
I agree that some input, at all, would be great from Treigit, though.
In general I'm very much in favor of a GT lynch, the fact that Suth was the kill does give me pause though, he was rather obviously the best misslynch. (Assuming that Niv is truthful, if niv is not then it's not a misslynch.)
As for my night action tonight I haven't yet decided entirely, but pod is on the short list of possible targets.
Niv, can you tell us the flavor of your untargetability.
Who does that leave?
Everyone alive yesterday (excluding me)stated the top three mafia candidates are 1)Me 2) WoD 3) Suth.
Would I shoot suth when it not only is implied, but is painstakingly obvious that it leaves my head on the chopping block as 'the obvious choice for a lynch'?
I couldn't have shot at non-suth person b/c Trei confirmed it.
BT/Pod was an obvious choice for a NK having little to no chance at being doc protected so I would have no reason not to fire.
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This possible scenario has been presented a few times now, and you just keep ignoring it or something, and insisting that there is 'no way' that you would kill Sutherlands as scum. But according to your own logic, the mafia clearly targeted Sutherlands. There is no reason to doubt Treigit, and he states pretty plainly that no one else was targeted.
Your logic that you, as scum, wouldn't target Sutherlands because of the liklihood of creating a mislynch through him would have to apply to everyone else that could be mafia as well, but is also clearly not the case, according to Treigit, and is thereby completely invalid.
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Okay let me explain this a little bit easier okay?
BT/Pod is a mason. Sutherlands and you are investigative roles (claimed anyway) both you and Sutherlands had a high chance of being doc protected. BT did not.
I would not kill suth b/c it leads directly to ME. Not because it would lead to a mislynch but because it would almost guarantee MY lynch. All i had to do was read the thread to know that if i killed sutherlands after WoD was lynched that I would die the next day.
Here is the logic for Cyan version.
1) BT is the most likely to be nk-able as in not protected.
2) BT is the obvious kill.
3) Sutherlands is one of the only 2 people who are being considered as mafia, myself as the other one.
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Therefore-> If I kill sutherlands he might not die and if he does I get lynched.
This isn't WIFOM anymore than accusing someone of fishing is. A town plaer who fishes for role names would have to be stupid. Me as scum killing sutherlands would have to be stupid. So in normal games of mafia we don't consider someone fishing for role names to be town. I would have had to be stupid AND daft to set myself up to be lynched when there is not only another target, but one that is almost guaranteed to die.
When you shot Sutherlands you knew I would be on the chopping block the next day.
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Cyan, did we ever get your role name?
I don't think either of these are good avenues of investigation, but I'd hate to leave any stones unturned.
That's reaching pretty far. The fact that I claimed vanilla guarantees me to such a high degree to be GF that suddenly I'm uninvestigateable and I gain some other nifty tricks by not killing? And if I'm simply untargetable and Trei stopped my kill than 1) He would know because he didn't target me or 2)whoever I targeted would be dead.
Assuming I'm GF assumes that this is the only night that Mafia didn't shoot (excluding ones where they couldn't of course) to gain some ability that hasn't been desirable all game? Like what? The only thing I could think of would be lynch immunity and you can probably guess by the way I've been acting that if you vote I will die.
The more I think about it the more Cyan looks mafia to me. Claims cop. Claims he has a guilty on dead scum and innocent on living players he knows to be innocent. Then when we ask him to do something useful for the town he doesn't even target the right person. Rereading the Cyan/Vamp attacks and Cyan/Arim argument leads me to the same conclusion it did in #1541.
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GT, you are, quite obviously, grasping at straws here. As Pod has eloquently explained, no one but you CAN be the Mafia Godfather.
If there is an SK, trying to puzzle out who it is has to be tomorrow's dilemma. Today we have to go with the very obvious lynch, which is you. Vote GiftTrix
@Pod: I'm confused by your last statement, but my vote is only the second vote anyway. Does 'get Treigit's okay' mean okay to end the day? If so, he can simply be the lynch vote.
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I'm supporting the side I want to win (not trying to win supporting the side I want to win)
Therefore I'm anti-town but not mafia.
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