My honest last opinion as a townie? Early in day 1, eco struck me as scummy. I think that looking at ecophagy would be a good start to tomorrow. He plays the bumbling fool well, but see through that.
We live in a country were ~50% of the populace believe public schooling is a socialist conspiracy and that being called Einstein is an insult. We could try and fix it, but unfortunately the other 50% don't believe in euthanasia.
Ecophagy hardly played yesterday like a "bumbling fool". We should let everyone check in before AKid is lynched, but this looks like a slam-dunk on another scum.
Eco, you didn't answer me - you said I appeared to be barning everything that moved. Please explain?
It just felt to me that toward the end of the day, you were moving your vote around a fair bit and getting on wagons. I haven't actually looked back at it to verify, it was just the impression I got.
My honest last opinion as a townie? Early in day 1, eco struck me as scummy. I think that looking at ecophagy would be a good start to tomorrow. He plays the bumbling fool well, but see through that.
I don't think my play style has ever been described as a "bumbling fool." O.o
If you want to make an actual case on me then by all means do.
@Toast- are you insane? "You didn't think his play was that scummy?" He lurked through days/pages of posts. He admitted his play was bad. If he is town, you just painted yourself as scum defending someone you know isn't on your team.
We live in a country were ~50% of the populace believe public schooling is a socialist conspiracy and that being called Einstein is an insult. We could try and fix it, but unfortunately the other 50% don't believe in euthanasia.
Um...discussion, gauging opinions, etc...you know...the game of mafia?
You've basically set yourself up as tomorrow's top suspect and most probably the lynch, because you've been scummy as heck today.
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not that it looks at all like "must bus scumbuddy before he can point at me more!"
Don't sweat it. I really am vanilla town, and you and toasty really are scum. I just played terribly this game. I apologize, most of all, to Xyre. I am very sorry that I didn't realize how much work I would have before I took on this responsibility, and promptly shirked it. Sorry. But heed my dying breaths, Toasty and Eco are scum.
We live in a country were ~50% of the populace believe public schooling is a socialist conspiracy and that being called Einstein is an insult. We could try and fix it, but unfortunately the other 50% don't believe in euthanasia.
Don't sweat it. I really am vanilla town, and you and toasty really are scum. I just played terribly this game. I apologize, most of all, to Xyre. I am very sorry that I didn't realize how much work I would have before I took on this responsibility, and promptly shirked it. Sorry. But heed my dying breaths, Toasty and Eco are scum.
Very dramatic. Do you have an actual basis for your accusations?
whilst I don't think Akid's play has been that bad, his claim was just awful.
Your whole flavour is on selling stuff, and you're vanilla? Plus, 'the seller' just sounds like a poor attempt at the title which we picked up on yesterday.
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Not voting because I want to hear what others have to say.
Actually, I have stated before that I don't like questioning RL problems, which he claimed was the cause of his lurking, so that isn't a big tell for me. The big post he made when he came back was pretty bad, but the D2 stuff sealed it for me. I wasn't sure before.
Post 401: Hammer vote, with nothing else in it.
1.) You go from saying that (his play has not been bad, just his claim) to saying that (his play day 2 "sealed it" for you.) You changed your story as soon as he said you "outted" yourself, like you were caught red handed and had to backtrack.
2.) You go from saying that you didn't want to vote so that we could see what everyone else had to say, to speed hammering for no reason.
B.) All you said was he had a bad claim, but not scummy play, that's not really reason to end the day that fast when a lot more could have been discussed.
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Sedrick pulls the various documents out of his pocket. He hasn't made copies, so you have to look at them in turn. It looks unnecessarily complicated, and each of you can't really figure out what he's shooting for. He assures you that that's part of the point, which you can't really argue with even though it strikes you as wholly unnecessary and troubling.
After a few minutes, though, AK falls asleep. All attempts to rouse her prove useless, and it's pretty clear she's a waste of space. Frustrated, DYH proposes just leaving her behind, but doing so would risk her turning you over to the police, and you can't have that at all. Eventually, four of you drag her slumbering body down a narrow alleyway, populated only by a wino staring intently at his bottle of cheap red. Toastboy grabs the bottle and pours its contents on AK's head, over the protests of its original owner, to the desired effect. AK wakes up sputtering, muttering things about herself.
"Who are you working for?" WoLG shouts, eyes narrowed.
"I work for you!" she argues, trying to strain the wine out of her hair.
"To hell with this," Toastboy announces. He pulls out a syringe and grabs AK's arm. She pleads with him to stop, but he injects her quickly, as your group and the homeless man quietly watch on. A moment later, her eyes go wider than you thought possible, as she spasms, then stops. Toast pulls out his cellphone, quickly calls medical services, and then turns and walks to the end of the alley.
"What did you do?" StormBlind yells after him.
"I dealt with the problem. That's what was necessary." He's absent entirely, staring at the canal meandering under a nearby bridge. A few minutes later, a police officer walks up. "Officer, I discovered this homeless woman passed out at the end of this alley. She needs help."
The officer looks at your group, as if remembering something long lost. Then he strides forward and grabs Guardman by her arm. "You're wanted by the police for conspiracy to commit grand larceny. Please come with me."
"But-what-" Guardman sputters, pointing at the woman at the end of the alley. A doctor runs past your group, to tend to AK, as the officer drags Guardman away, leaving the rest of you to dissect what has just happened.
Bilbroxain - JULIA BRACKENBURG, ELECTRONICS EXPERT, CONSPIRATOR RINGLEADER - Never showed up Day 1
Apokalypse Kid - HELEN WILDE, THE SELLER, SYNDICATE ASSOCIATE - Drugged and abandoned Day 2
Guardman - RAQUEL CERRANO, THE LOOKOUT, SYNDICATE WATCHER - Arrested Day 2
Once again, you awaken to discover none of you have been harmed in the night. You quickly convene again at the cafe to discuss your plans that were interrupted by yesterday's occurrence.
I'd hardly call AKid's lynch a debacle; given his play from day one coupled with the no-kill + RB, it was a foregone conclusion. Fortunately, we didn't lose anyone in the overnight period so losing the analysis of the quick day 2 is a wash.
Given yesterday's debacle, I feel that we shouldn't auto-lynch SB's target, since there is clearly some other force at work.
Forced to agree with the no autolynch target (Toastboy btw), yesterday proved that. Im concerned that we're bouncing from bad townie to bad townie, somewhat likewhat happened in another game in process. (even if this time its less us being led and them just being stupid scummy.)
People also really need to post.
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[19:59] greymon90210: Hey StormBlind how tall are you? "I'm six money *****, don't forget it"
"The Critics always said that we'd only have a black president when pigs flu"...
Forced to agree with the no autolynch target (Toastboy btw), yesterday proved that. Im concerned that we're bouncing from bad townie to bad townie, somewhat likewhat happened in another game in process. (even if this time its less us being led and them just being stupid scummy.)
People also really need to post.
I figured you might block Toasty. That you did seems to me to make it less likely he is mafia, since odds of him being blocked last night were rather high, and to have him carry out the kill implies either the other scum(s)'s roles are better than a kill (plausible), or the scum are stupid (unlikely).
I wouldn't be totally opposed to a behavioural case on him though.
I figured you might block Toasty. That you did seems to me to make it less likely he is mafia, since odds of him being blocked last night were rather high, and to have him carry out the kill implies either the other scum(s)'s roles are better than a kill (plausible), or the scum are stupid (unlikely).
Or he's vanilla.We've had quite a few vanillas in the game thusfar, so it wouldn't be surprising to have the mafia have someone else do the kill. Still hilarious since that'd mean that the doctor caught the right person 2 nights running.
I wouldn't be totally opposed to a behavioural case on him though.
Eh, ill see what i can do, i still feel he's our best lead thusfar. Even if it was mostly based of yesterday and how every post he made was stupid scummy.
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[19:59] greymon90210: Hey StormBlind how tall are you? "I'm six money *****, don't forget it"
"The Critics always said that we'd only have a black president when pigs flu"...
SB I think it's simplifying the case to say the doc got lucky twice. It struck me that Guardman's arrest was a delayed 'kill' of some sort, maybe instead of the night kill. we may be in for a similar event today. However, it wouldn't be a bad scum move to have no NK to make me look worse.
This WIFOM, I do not like. You assume that the scum would deliberately forego their kill (while one kill missing and man down) to attempt to throw dirt onto whoever SB Roleblocks? Bad plan.
Post #16: Nothing. random stuffs.
#21: Junk post, referring purely to wuffles.
#47: Chastises WOLG For overreacting to OBV Town: SK. Bemoans the ending of the random Phase.
#58: Abstractly defends Akid by attacking the speed of his wagon. Banters with Wolg more. Attacks Guardman / Votes Guardman.
#72: Continues Attacking Guardman. Again, Chastises Wolg for the SK situation, asks Eco what HE thinks about Guardmans vote.
#73: retraction on the WOLG situation.
#91: Attacks Wuffles for voting Akid. Justifiably attacks Guardman... Repeatedly.
#94: Attacks Guardman, but says that Guardman played like this in disgaea mafia. Waffling.
#120: Banters with Bilbroxain, Attacks(I think?) Guardman again, Banters/condemns CPE's lack of content, Discusses with Eco about how he still has doubts if Guardman is town or mafia, continues attacking him though. Starts attacking Shadowknight.
#140: Defends me, Attacks Akid for bad logic. Deny's being Loran. (he IS loran!) Attacks Shadowknight, votes Akid.
#149: Barns me.
#157: Banters and banters some more. Says that if SK doesnt masonry people, they can die tomorrow.
#172: Attacks Wuffles (Who claimed vanilla) Got intrigued that DYH found him scummy, defends Sk's claim, Asks SK for clarification on a post.
#197: Abstractly defends Bilbroxain. Attacks wuffles again for voting for Sk. Vote Wuffles. Agrees with Eco.
#200: Notices and awknowledged ALL of Bilbroxains scum signs, and fos's him. (Appearently, Wuffles was a better target)
#209: Attacks Guardman, bilbroxain, and Wuffles.
#212: Whole post is attacking Wuffles.
#220: Attacks Guardman, i THINK the first paragraph is TB defending Bilbroxain sorta
#222: Attacks Wuffles, justifies barning me alot.
#240: Attacks Wuffles, stating he needs to reread why he finds him suspicious, States he has to look at Guardman and Bilbroxain (Why need to look at GM if you'vve been exchanging words with him almost every post?)
#251: Unvotes Wuffles. States wuffles defense was adequate and, "Consistant without desperation". States that guardman is scummy and playing badly, but most likely town. Says guardman isnt scummy (when he was). Says bilbroxain seems to be himself, quite normal of his playstyle. Then proceeds to attack him based on bilbro's flavor attacks on SK. Accuses BB of blending with the crowd.
#258: Attacks BB and Guardman.
#259: Fixes a typo in 258.
#269: Almost entirely attacking Bilbroxain.
#271: Says that while guardman is being really scummy, he prefers BB. Then he FOS's GUardman and attacks him.
#272: Correction for 271.
#288: Unvotes BB saying his claim was believable (when it REALLLLY wasnt) Says Akid is being left alone because of RL issues. Defends BB, votes Guardman
#294: Barns me AGAIN, stating that he re-read BB / GM...after people have started stating suspicion of BB again. Defends Guardman saying HIS claim makes sense. Apologizes for doing an abrupt 180 inregards to BB.
#299: States watching SK is a good idea.
#300: Explains why watching him is a good idea.
#309: Says Eco, Wolg, and DYH are all good bets for town. Something i find interesting: He doesnt mention me even though i was top of his list last time, he's agreed with nearly everything i said *Barned me a fair amount* and yet doesnt consider me a top townie.
#312: States he doesnt understand BHB's logic.
#324: Answers my questions, Dismisses BHB's suggestiong of what to do for the night, Says that it seems BB has given up.
#325: keeps asking people their top townies. Says Akid is fail. (whatever that means.)
#341: Spam post.
#359: Curious about a comment Eco made about Toastboy. Curious if SK's ability works, is surprised at a lack of a NK.
#363: An entire post essentially asking what i know about night 1.
#388: Says he thinks Akids play has been okay. Says he hates Akids claim tho. Defends his comment of the masons not having to claim. Asks eco for clarification about the constant barning. Attacks Akids flavor claim. Seems oddly Fencesitty.
#389: Says he isnt voting to hear what the town has to say.
#398: Says that he found Akids day 1 play okay, and didnt enter akids lurking into it. Says akids day 2 play has been terrible so far. (When he JUST said that he was fine with AKIDS play, just hates his claim. MASSIVE backstepping.)
#401: Hammers Akid.
#404: Defends his hammering of Akid.
#410: Defending himself for the speedhammer again, Questions WOLG as to how he's scummy since he explained himself on Akid.
#413: Defends his speedhammering again, Defends himself from Wolgs Attack.
#420: Says he WAS roleblocked, says he posted at night to respond to Wolg, again, barns my brief idea that GM's arrest was a time delayed Mafia NK.
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Conclusion:
Has 2-3 cases of backpeddling, atleast once in a major way (The akid play review).
Barn's... ALOT.
Seems to Consantly attack basically everyone who could potentially be under suspicion, whilst defending half of them with alternating posts.
Speed Hammered, saying that it seemd there was no discussion, so it seemed it was okay to hammer. (even tho it was only a couple hours after my post and Wuffles chime in.)
Constantly talking to, asking eco for his opinion, ect.
Defended Bilbroxain repeatedly, even while voting for him, and was one of the first / only to unvote BB after his claim, revoting once i made it obvious the claim was crap.
Im going to vote Toastboy after we get some responces in here.
*this was long and annoying*
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[19:59] greymon90210: Hey StormBlind how tall are you? "I'm six money *****, don't forget it"
"The Critics always said that we'd only have a black president when pigs flu"...
I've read over TB in isolation and tried to compare that to what little I know of his playstyle. I've come to the conclusion that he's either scum or he's got a playstyle that's so scummy, he should be lynched either way. I'll be voting him once we get a vote count. (Don't want to speed lynch.)
I've had a really rough holiday weekend, and just got out of work. I'll be able to post something of actual content either way later tonight, or tomorrow. As of now, Toasty is my best target.
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Okay, no posts in 24 hours is pathetic. Especially since i went through the effort to go through ALL TB's posts (not insignificant) and i havent gotten a single comment on it.
its ESPECIALLY pathetic that CPE,Wuff, BeingHumanBeing have not posted. @Mod: Prods Please.
In OTHER news... Vote Toastboy
Discuss.
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[19:59] greymon90210: Hey StormBlind how tall are you? "I'm six money *****, don't forget it"
"The Critics always said that we'd only have a black president when pigs flu"...
I think it's obscene that this game is stagnating because someone is waiting 2 days to post. Not to mention the people that haven't posted since the day started.
This is the perfect situation for scum: days and lynches are progressing without any type of forward movement; no analysis is really being done, and we are sitting around waiting on someone coming back and defending themselves. I'm not impressed with Toastboy's response to me, and his defense of his fishing is not what I'd expect from any pro-town player. It's also been stated that he has back tracked by other players, and most of us find his hammer suspicious. Stating: "I thought we were safe to move on" is not a valid defense for such a rash action.
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ok, defence to SB:
Backpedaling: The BB claim was just idiotic on my part, Gman I explained that I thought his sucmminess was due to his playstyle, and Akid, I have explained too. He was scummy, just not 'that' scummy, and it was his claim that made me sure he was scum.
So he went from you not finding his day 1 play very scummy, to he WAS scummy, just not... THAT scummy. (Which to me makes no sense)
The issue with the guardman situation is the following, the ENTIRE TIME You were attacking him, you were defending him saying its a playstyle thing. And yet... if you truly believed he WASNT scum, but just had a scummy playstyle, WHY Are you attacking and throwing dirt on him?
BB = Yes. It was.
Barning: Firstly, agreeing isn't barning. And just because I agree with you, doesn't mean I think you're definitely town.
When EVERY other post has you saying, "I agree with XX", and every third or fourth post has a "I agree with Stormblind", or you copying my idea's WORD FOR WORD, yeah, i consider that barning since ALOT of the times you dont give any justification, just agreed with me or reworded exactly what i said.
Attacking/defending: Attacking lots of people, well what's wrong with that? At least I gave proper reasons. Defending people, again, I think you'll find I did give reasons why I defended people eg Guardman and his playstyle.
When you've attacked nearly half the town day 1, yeah, im going to have issues with that play. Especially since alot of times you found things people were doing scummy when NO ONE ELSE DID. Im a firm believer in being independant from other peoples belief's, but alot of the time it seemed you decided to attack someone, and came up with reasons afterwards.
Speed hammering: obviously a mistake. I don't generally look at times when people have posted, and I should have done. Already admitted several times this was a mistake.
Alright.
Eco: I have asked Eco for opinions because it didn't seem he was contributing to that particular topic, eg his favoured town, guardman. He is also my brother, and this is the first real game I've played with him (persona I was too busy imploding).
Thing is, and this is something im a firm believer in, (And must be since i know some of the players here quite well, and consider them atleast passing friends) you cant single out people you know well. The things you know of the person MAY give you additional insight, but you must view them more as a random internet name then anything else.
Also, there's been ALOT of people who dont comment on every single subject, its not a requirement. Sometimes people dont care about a particular subject or dont feel like rehashing whats been said.
BB: ONe can attack and defend against bad attacks at the same time: I wasn't so much defending BB with them, as having a look at players who made those attacks. Unvoting was a mistake.
And yet, again, those very same "Bad attacks" were what got him TO claim, which sealed his death. You defended against atleast half the major attack paths made on BB, which IS suspicious if you add the sudden "I believe him, Unvote" to the situation.
@Wolg:
Defence for fishing: what else can I say? I was curious.
yes. We're all very curious about things here. But the problem is, FISHING IS SCUMMY. Curb your enthusiasm for knowing things until the time is right, fishing ONLY ever benefits the mafia.
9 alive, 5 votes to lynch, and I have 3? that's L-2.
I shall claim: I am Archibald Black, Explosives expert, Syndicate Pyrotechnician.
My nickname is 'the back-up plan', I am essentially a one-shot day vigilante, that can kill anonymously by planting a bomb on someone. However this attracts attention and so it takes 2 less votes to lynch me afterwards. This ends the day.
I assume I will need to prove this.
... Wow. Thing is TB, that doesnt prove a single blasted thing. The fact its anonymous, and the fact it ends the day makes it a QUITE likely, if strong, mafia ability. I do not see any way in which this would benefit the town, but MANY ways it would benefit the mafia. IF you speak the truth tho, this DOES grant us a double lynch today, so let's use it wisely. (If he's at 3 votes, and suibombs someone, the suibomb target dies, and TB dies.) But if you're lying, you die immediately.
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"The Critics always said that we'd only have a black president when pigs flu"...
... Wow. Thing is TB, that doesnt prove a single blasted thing. The fact its anonymous, and the fact it ends the day makes it a QUITE likely, if strong, mafia ability. I do not see any way in which this would benefit the town, but MANY ways it would benefit the mafia. IF you speak the truth tho, this DOES grant us a double lynch today, so let's use it wisely. (If he's at 3 votes, and suibombs someone, the suibomb target dies, and TB dies.) But if you're lying, you die immediately.[/b][/color][/font]
I shall claim: I am Archibald Black, Explosives expert, Syndicate Pyrotechnician.
My nickname is 'the back-up plan', I am essentially a one-shot day vigilante, that can kill anonymously by planting a bomb on someone. However this attracts attention and so it takes 2 less votes to lynch me afterwards. This ends the day.
I assume I will need to prove this.
TB: Are you saying that the day ends when you use your one shot, and then the next day it's -2 votes to lynch you? If you are, SB's plan fails.
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unvote. I guess we need to make TB prove his ability.
Although, I do have a question: If the ability produces an anonymous kill, how does it makes sense that it draws attention to you (and lower your lynch threshold)?
And is the 2 fewer votes permanent or only the next day?
EBWOP: don't have time to actually respond to TB, but yes we are brothers (IRL); but I feel this counts for basically nothing, since I wouldn't discount him agreeing with me simply because I appear town.
We should test the ability. Also, I do not think that attacking the flavor here (anonymous ability and attention) until after the ability is used, and even then I do not support flavor attacks.
As for targets, I think BeingHumanBeing would be at the top of my list
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The more I think about TB's ability, the more I feel the "-2 to lynch" is something tacked on to a mafia ability to make it seems more balanced and town like. -2 is pretty swingy in a 12 man game (given with 5 alive, only 1 vote is required to lynch, making a 2v3 Lylo situation over very quickly).
I feel very certain that - should his ability work (which I don't particularly doubt) we should test his lynch vulnerability the next day.
At the moment, I think Wuffles looks like a good target - claimed vanilla, reasonably scummy and a bit of PoE. BHB is just lurky, not scummy.
@Eco: What's "PoE"? I googled, and all it says "Power over Eternet".
In other news, I'm sorry for my lack of posting, but I'm pretty busy over the last week due to my computer breaking down just after my last post, army stuff (I wouldn't be online at least till sunday :/ ).
It's still not colorless, and has no color. That's a paradox. So either you're a Zen master or an idiot, I'll assume the Zen master for sake of argument. This card will have no paradoxes because it has a clear paradox. Deep stuff man.
The more I think about TB's ability, the more I feel the "-2 to lynch" is something tacked on to a mafia ability to make it seems more balanced and town like. -2 is pretty swingy in a 12 man game (given with 5 alive, only 1 vote is required to lynch, making a 2v3 Lylo situation over very quickly).
I feel very certain that - should his ability work (which I don't particularly doubt) we should test his lynch vulnerability the next day.
At the moment, I think Wuffles looks like a good target - claimed vanilla, reasonably scummy and a bit of PoE. BHB is just lurky, not scummy.
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We have 9 left. I'm going to err on the side of caution and say we have 2 scum left. 3/12 is normal for mini's nowadays, yes?
If we eliminate someone today via bombing, mafia kill tonight, TB lynched tomorrow, and then 1 more kill via mafia, that puts us @ 5 players left alive. If we don't manage to hit a scum with the bombing today or the lynch tomorrow, we are at 2 scum, 3 town, putting us at Lynch or Lose. If TB is telling the truth about his ability, we can't let him hold off firing until another day, because he could lose the game for the town even if he isn't scum.
Aside from that, we will have pretty much had 3 days without any discussion. If there are 2 scum left, they are rolling in their seats laughing at how they will win via lurking. I still think that CPE and TB are the biggest chances for being scum, but I don't have a good read on BHB or Wuff at this point.
I want to hear from every person on who their top two suspects are, who they would be willing to have bombed today, and why one over the other. I'm voting CPE over SK for the bombing, because he hasn't been very pro-town this game, and firing into lurkers at this late in the game sucks, but has a high chance of hitting scum. SK hasn't either, but he's we've tested his claim and can lynch him later if it comes down to it.
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WolG, you followed the same line of thinking as me - that is, assuming TB & his target is town (and the mysterious disappearing mafia NK appears) we will at 3v2 LyLo once we have finished with TB.
I am leaning toward SK being town at this juncture. My bomb targets are probably Wuffles and CPE (whom I will both re-read at some point to decide.)
I am also planning a look back at DYH since I have basically no read.
I am reasonably confident our last 2 scum are among CPE, Wuffles, DYH and Toastboy. BHB makes a potential fifth to that list.
I'm completely befuddled by this game. Two nights with a 'missed' NK and a daykill on Guardman. I'm starting to wonder if they're really "missed" at all, or if the scum kills during the day by default. That begs the question of what happened D1, though.
I disagree with Eco's sentiment that Wuffles is a good target. Claiming vanilla as he did makes him vig fodder and he knows it. I can't envision a scenario where he would've thought this was a strong play to make day one.
Not sure I agree with SB's assessment of TB's ability in a vacuum, but given the lack of NKs, I may need to reconsider.
I need to do a complete re-cap, which I should have time to do today.
I'm completely befuddled by this game. Two nights with a 'missed' NK and a daykill on Guardman. I'm starting to wonder if they're really "missed" at all, or if the scum kills during the day by default. That begs the question of what happened D1, though.
speculatively, I'd say Guardman's kill was more of a one shot ability, since nothing happened day1. I guess we will see what happens at the end of today.
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I disagree with Eco's sentiment that Wuffles is a good target. Claiming vanilla as he did makes him vig fodder and he knows it. I can't envision a scenario where he would've thought this was a strong play to make day one.
That is WIFOM; how do we know Wuffles wasn't banking on there not being a vig when he claimed? Or claimed vanilla to get your exact reaction form someone.
speculatively, I'd say Guardman's kill was more of a one shot ability, since nothing happened day1. I guess we will see what happens at the end of today.
I hope you're right, but two missing kills at night is a hard trend to believe we're that lucky.
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That is WIFOM; how do we know Wuffles wasn't banking on there not being a vig when he claimed? Or claimed vanilla to get your exact reaction form someone.
It just does not make sense. Scum Wuffles wants to survive- particularly in a mini, it's hard to envision a throw-away body. He has to believe claiming vanilla is going to get him dead at some point. Claiming vanilla to get this reaction? Doubtful. That's a pretty silly gambit. I'm sure you'll argue that's WIFOM, too, but when the odds are that low, I'd say it's not. Look at recent history on MTGS and see how many times vanilla claims get vigged/lynched.
I also went back to look at what was providing me this gut feeling I have about Wuffles (that he's not scum), and a read of page 5 has proven very enlightening (@40ppp). The amount of posturing that goes on there from a couple people avoiding the case I presented on Bilbroxain is staggering. I'll get to that in another post.
Go back and look at Bilbroxain's reaction to Wuffles' claim as well. Tell me if you can honestly say that looks like bussing to you - or if it reads like scum who sees an opportunity to get the pressure off him. He doesn't wait to see if the pressure is going to mount; he jumps on straightaway. The way he (BB) cites Toastboy as a reference also makes me feel better about him (TB).
The fact you're talking about PoE as a reason to consider blowing someone up at this juncture and testing lynch vulnerability tomorrow (setting up 2 deaths) with little behavioral emphasis really has me concerned.
You were also one of those posturing around the BB case on page 5 here.
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It just felt to me that toward the end of the day, you were moving your vote around a fair bit and getting on wagons. I haven't actually looked back at it to verify, it was just the impression I got.
I don't think my play style has ever been described as a "bumbling fool." O.o
If you want to make an actual case on me then by all means do.
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Toastboy does seem agood place to look.
*shrug* dying scum talk WIFOM. This just makes it even more likely AKid is scum desperately trying to take someone down with him.
Vote Akid.
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You've basically set yourself up as tomorrow's top suspect and most probably the lynch, because you've been scummy as heck today.
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not that it looks at all like "must bus scumbuddy before he can point at me more!"
Don't sweat it. I really am vanilla town, and you and toasty really are scum. I just played terribly this game. I apologize, most of all, to Xyre. I am very sorry that I didn't realize how much work I would have before I took on this responsibility, and promptly shirked it. Sorry. But heed my dying breaths, Toasty and Eco are scum.
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Very dramatic. Do you have an actual basis for your accusations?
A.)
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And these little nuggets of flip arounds:
Post 388:
Post 398:
Post 401: Hammer vote, with nothing else in it.
1.) You go from saying that (his play has not been bad, just his claim) to saying that (his play day 2 "sealed it" for you.) You changed your story as soon as he said you "outted" yourself, like you were caught red handed and had to backtrack.
2.) You go from saying that you didn't want to vote so that we could see what everyone else had to say, to speed hammering for no reason.
B.) All you said was he had a bad claim, but not scummy play, that's not really reason to end the day that fast when a lot more could have been discussed.
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Apokalyse Kid - 6 (WellofLostGnomes, DYH, Apokalypse Kid, Guardman, StormBlind, Toastboy)
Sedrick pulls the various documents out of his pocket. He hasn't made copies, so you have to look at them in turn. It looks unnecessarily complicated, and each of you can't really figure out what he's shooting for. He assures you that that's part of the point, which you can't really argue with even though it strikes you as wholly unnecessary and troubling.
After a few minutes, though, AK falls asleep. All attempts to rouse her prove useless, and it's pretty clear she's a waste of space. Frustrated, DYH proposes just leaving her behind, but doing so would risk her turning you over to the police, and you can't have that at all. Eventually, four of you drag her slumbering body down a narrow alleyway, populated only by a wino staring intently at his bottle of cheap red. Toastboy grabs the bottle and pours its contents on AK's head, over the protests of its original owner, to the desired effect. AK wakes up sputtering, muttering things about herself.
"Who are you working for?" WoLG shouts, eyes narrowed.
"I work for you!" she argues, trying to strain the wine out of her hair.
"To hell with this," Toastboy announces. He pulls out a syringe and grabs AK's arm. She pleads with him to stop, but he injects her quickly, as your group and the homeless man quietly watch on. A moment later, her eyes go wider than you thought possible, as she spasms, then stops. Toast pulls out his cellphone, quickly calls medical services, and then turns and walks to the end of the alley.
"What did you do?" StormBlind yells after him.
"I dealt with the problem. That's what was necessary." He's absent entirely, staring at the canal meandering under a nearby bridge. A few minutes later, a police officer walks up. "Officer, I discovered this homeless woman passed out at the end of this alley. She needs help."
The officer looks at your group, as if remembering something long lost. Then he strides forward and grabs Guardman by her arm. "You're wanted by the police for conspiracy to commit grand larceny. Please come with me."
"But-what-" Guardman sputters, pointing at the woman at the end of the alley. A doctor runs past your group, to tend to AK, as the officer drags Guardman away, leaving the rest of you to dissect what has just happened.
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Bilbroxain - JULIA BRACKENBURG, ELECTRONICS EXPERT, CONSPIRATOR RINGLEADER - Never showed up Day 1
Apokalypse Kid - HELEN WILDE, THE SELLER, SYNDICATE ASSOCIATE - Drugged and abandoned Day 2
Guardman - RAQUEL CERRANO, THE LOOKOUT, SYNDICATE WATCHER - Arrested Day 2
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Guardman's 'arrest' is troubling. It feels maybe like a 1-shot mafia ability?
It could be some game mechanic though I suppose.
I don't have an actual suspect at the moment, a read will be taking place later today to find one. Toastboy is probably a good start.
I need to re-evaluate things.
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Forced to agree with the no autolynch target (Toastboy btw), yesterday proved that. Im concerned that we're bouncing from bad townie to bad townie, somewhat likewhat happened in another game in process. (even if this time its less us being led and them just being stupid scummy.)
People also really need to post.
I figured you might block Toasty. That you did seems to me to make it less likely he is mafia, since odds of him being blocked last night were rather high, and to have him carry out the kill implies either the other scum(s)'s roles are better than a kill (plausible), or the scum are stupid (unlikely).
I wouldn't be totally opposed to a behavioural case on him though.
I agree people need to post.
Eh, ill see what i can do, i still feel he's our best lead thusfar. Even if it was mostly based of yesterday and how every post he made was stupid scummy. Or he's vanilla.We've had quite a few vanillas in the game thusfar, so it wouldn't be surprising to have the mafia have someone else do the kill. Still hilarious since that'd mean that the doctor caught the right person 2 nights running.
This WIFOM, I do not like. You assume that the scum would deliberately forego their kill (while one kill missing and man down) to attempt to throw dirt onto whoever SB Roleblocks? Bad plan.
vote Toastboy
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#21: Junk post, referring purely to wuffles.
#47: Chastises WOLG For overreacting to OBV Town: SK. Bemoans the ending of the random Phase.
#58: Abstractly defends Akid by attacking the speed of his wagon. Banters with Wolg more. Attacks Guardman / Votes Guardman.
#72: Continues Attacking Guardman. Again, Chastises Wolg for the SK situation, asks Eco what HE thinks about Guardmans vote.
#73: retraction on the WOLG situation.
#91: Attacks Wuffles for voting Akid. Justifiably attacks Guardman... Repeatedly.
#94: Attacks Guardman, but says that Guardman played like this in disgaea mafia. Waffling.
#120: Banters with Bilbroxain, Attacks(I think?) Guardman again, Banters/condemns CPE's lack of content, Discusses with Eco about how he still has doubts if Guardman is town or mafia, continues attacking him though. Starts attacking Shadowknight.
#140: Defends me, Attacks Akid for bad logic. Deny's being Loran. (he IS loran!) Attacks Shadowknight, votes Akid.
#149: Barns me.
#157: Banters and banters some more. Says that if SK doesnt masonry people, they can die tomorrow.
#172: Attacks Wuffles (Who claimed vanilla) Got intrigued that DYH found him scummy, defends Sk's claim, Asks SK for clarification on a post.
#197: Abstractly defends Bilbroxain. Attacks wuffles again for voting for Sk. Vote Wuffles. Agrees with Eco.
#200: Notices and awknowledged ALL of Bilbroxains scum signs, and fos's him. (Appearently, Wuffles was a better target)
#209: Attacks Guardman, bilbroxain, and Wuffles.
#212: Whole post is attacking Wuffles.
#220: Attacks Guardman, i THINK the first paragraph is TB defending Bilbroxain sorta
#222: Attacks Wuffles, justifies barning me alot.
#240: Attacks Wuffles, stating he needs to reread why he finds him suspicious, States he has to look at Guardman and Bilbroxain (Why need to look at GM if you'vve been exchanging words with him almost every post?)
#251: Unvotes Wuffles. States wuffles defense was adequate and, "Consistant without desperation". States that guardman is scummy and playing badly, but most likely town. Says guardman isnt scummy (when he was). Says bilbroxain seems to be himself, quite normal of his playstyle. Then proceeds to attack him based on bilbro's flavor attacks on SK. Accuses BB of blending with the crowd.
#258: Attacks BB and Guardman.
#259: Fixes a typo in 258.
#269: Almost entirely attacking Bilbroxain.
#271: Says that while guardman is being really scummy, he prefers BB. Then he FOS's GUardman and attacks him.
#272: Correction for 271.
#288: Unvotes BB saying his claim was believable (when it REALLLLY wasnt) Says Akid is being left alone because of RL issues. Defends BB, votes Guardman
#294: Barns me AGAIN, stating that he re-read BB / GM...after people have started stating suspicion of BB again. Defends Guardman saying HIS claim makes sense. Apologizes for doing an abrupt 180 inregards to BB.
#299: States watching SK is a good idea.
#300: Explains why watching him is a good idea.
#309: Says Eco, Wolg, and DYH are all good bets for town. Something i find interesting: He doesnt mention me even though i was top of his list last time, he's agreed with nearly everything i said *Barned me a fair amount* and yet doesnt consider me a top townie.
#312: States he doesnt understand BHB's logic.
#324: Answers my questions, Dismisses BHB's suggestiong of what to do for the night, Says that it seems BB has given up.
#325: keeps asking people their top townies. Says Akid is fail. (whatever that means.)
#341: Spam post.
#359: Curious about a comment Eco made about Toastboy. Curious if SK's ability works, is surprised at a lack of a NK.
#363: An entire post essentially asking what i know about night 1.
#388: Says he thinks Akids play has been okay. Says he hates Akids claim tho. Defends his comment of the masons not having to claim. Asks eco for clarification about the constant barning. Attacks Akids flavor claim. Seems oddly Fencesitty.
#389: Says he isnt voting to hear what the town has to say.
#398: Says that he found Akids day 1 play okay, and didnt enter akids lurking into it. Says akids day 2 play has been terrible so far. (When he JUST said that he was fine with AKIDS play, just hates his claim. MASSIVE backstepping.)
#401: Hammers Akid.
#404: Defends his hammering of Akid.
#410: Defending himself for the speedhammer again, Questions WOLG as to how he's scummy since he explained himself on Akid.
#413: Defends his speedhammering again, Defends himself from Wolgs Attack.
#420: Says he WAS roleblocked, says he posted at night to respond to Wolg, again, barns my brief idea that GM's arrest was a time delayed Mafia NK.
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Conclusion:
*this was long and annoying*
Never mind, Eco is the only one voting him.
vote Toastboy
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its ESPECIALLY pathetic that CPE,Wuff, BeingHumanBeing have not posted. @Mod: Prods Please.
In OTHER news... Vote Toastboy
Discuss.
Others posting sounds good too.
This is the perfect situation for scum: days and lynches are progressing without any type of forward movement; no analysis is really being done, and we are sitting around waiting on someone coming back and defending themselves. I'm not impressed with Toastboy's response to me, and his defense of his fishing is not what I'd expect from any pro-town player. It's also been stated that he has back tracked by other players, and most of us find his hammer suspicious. Stating: "I thought we were safe to move on" is not a valid defense for such a rash action.
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As for those who haven't posted so far today, I'll start processing prods.
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The issue with the guardman situation is the following, the ENTIRE TIME You were attacking him, you were defending him saying its a playstyle thing. And yet... if you truly believed he WASNT scum, but just had a scummy playstyle, WHY Are you attacking and throwing dirt on him?
BB = Yes. It was.
When EVERY other post has you saying, "I agree with XX", and every third or fourth post has a "I agree with Stormblind", or you copying my idea's WORD FOR WORD, yeah, i consider that barning since ALOT of the times you dont give any justification, just agreed with me or reworded exactly what i said.
When you've attacked nearly half the town day 1, yeah, im going to have issues with that play. Especially since alot of times you found things people were doing scummy when NO ONE ELSE DID. Im a firm believer in being independant from other peoples belief's, but alot of the time it seemed you decided to attack someone, and came up with reasons afterwards.
Alright.
Thing is, and this is something im a firm believer in, (And must be since i know some of the players here quite well, and consider them atleast passing friends) you cant single out people you know well. The things you know of the person MAY give you additional insight, but you must view them more as a random internet name then anything else.
Also, there's been ALOT of people who dont comment on every single subject, its not a requirement. Sometimes people dont care about a particular subject or dont feel like rehashing whats been said.
And yet, again, those very same "Bad attacks" were what got him TO claim, which sealed his death. You defended against atleast half the major attack paths made on BB, which IS suspicious if you add the sudden "I believe him, Unvote" to the situation.
yes. We're all very curious about things here. But the problem is, FISHING IS SCUMMY. Curb your enthusiasm for knowing things until the time is right, fishing ONLY ever benefits the mafia.
... Wow. Thing is TB, that doesnt prove a single blasted thing. The fact its anonymous, and the fact it ends the day makes it a QUITE likely, if strong, mafia ability. I do not see any way in which this would benefit the town, but MANY ways it would benefit the mafia. IF you speak the truth tho, this DOES grant us a double lynch today, so let's use it wisely. (If he's at 3 votes, and suibombs someone, the suibomb target dies, and TB dies.) But if you're lying, you die immediately. So he went from you not finding his day 1 play very scummy, to he WAS scummy, just not... THAT scummy. (Which to me makes no sense)
TB: Are you saying that the day ends when you use your one shot, and then the next day it's -2 votes to lynch you? If you are, SB's plan fails.
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... Im pretty sure you got it right and i was just an idiot ^_^;.
Nvm,
Although, I do have a question: If the ability produces an anonymous kill, how does it makes sense that it draws attention to you (and lower your lynch threshold)?
And is the 2 fewer votes permanent or only the next day?
As for targets, I think BeingHumanBeing would be at the top of my list
I feel very certain that - should his ability work (which I don't particularly doubt) we should test his lynch vulnerability the next day.
At the moment, I think Wuffles looks like a good target - claimed vanilla, reasonably scummy and a bit of PoE. BHB is just lurky, not scummy.
In other news, I'm sorry for my lack of posting, but I'm pretty busy over the last week due to my computer breaking down just after my last post, army stuff (I wouldn't be online at least till sunday :/ ).
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We have 9 left. I'm going to err on the side of caution and say we have 2 scum left. 3/12 is normal for mini's nowadays, yes?
If we eliminate someone today via bombing, mafia kill tonight, TB lynched tomorrow, and then 1 more kill via mafia, that puts us @ 5 players left alive. If we don't manage to hit a scum with the bombing today or the lynch tomorrow, we are at 2 scum, 3 town, putting us at Lynch or Lose. If TB is telling the truth about his ability, we can't let him hold off firing until another day, because he could lose the game for the town even if he isn't scum.
Aside from that, we will have pretty much had 3 days without any discussion. If there are 2 scum left, they are rolling in their seats laughing at how they will win via lurking. I still think that CPE and TB are the biggest chances for being scum, but I don't have a good read on BHB or Wuff at this point.
I want to hear from every person on who their top two suspects are, who they would be willing to have bombed today, and why one over the other. I'm voting CPE over SK for the bombing, because he hasn't been very pro-town this game, and firing into lurkers at this late in the game sucks, but has a high chance of hitting scum. SK hasn't either, but he's we've tested his claim and can lynch him later if it comes down to it.
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I am leaning toward SK being town at this juncture. My bomb targets are probably Wuffles and CPE (whom I will both re-read at some point to decide.)
I am also planning a look back at DYH since I have basically no read.
I am reasonably confident our last 2 scum are among CPE, Wuffles, DYH and Toastboy. BHB makes a potential fifth to that list.
I disagree with Eco's sentiment that Wuffles is a good target. Claiming vanilla as he did makes him vig fodder and he knows it. I can't envision a scenario where he would've thought this was a strong play to make day one.
Not sure I agree with SB's assessment of TB's ability in a vacuum, but given the lack of NKs, I may need to reconsider.
I need to do a complete re-cap, which I should have time to do today.
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speculatively, I'd say Guardman's kill was more of a one shot ability, since nothing happened day1. I guess we will see what happens at the end of today.
That is WIFOM; how do we know Wuffles wasn't banking on there not being a vig when he claimed? Or claimed vanilla to get your exact reaction form someone.
I hope you're right, but two missing kills at night is a hard trend to believe we're that lucky.
It just does not make sense. Scum Wuffles wants to survive- particularly in a mini, it's hard to envision a throw-away body. He has to believe claiming vanilla is going to get him dead at some point. Claiming vanilla to get this reaction? Doubtful. That's a pretty silly gambit. I'm sure you'll argue that's WIFOM, too, but when the odds are that low, I'd say it's not. Look at recent history on MTGS and see how many times vanilla claims get vigged/lynched.
I also went back to look at what was providing me this gut feeling I have about Wuffles (that he's not scum), and a read of page 5 has proven very enlightening (@40ppp). The amount of posturing that goes on there from a couple people avoiding the case I presented on Bilbroxain is staggering. I'll get to that in another post.
Go back and look at Bilbroxain's reaction to Wuffles' claim as well. Tell me if you can honestly say that looks like bussing to you - or if it reads like scum who sees an opportunity to get the pressure off him. He doesn't wait to see if the pressure is going to mount; he jumps on straightaway. The way he (BB) cites Toastboy as a reference also makes me feel better about him (TB).
The fact you're talking about PoE as a reason to consider blowing someone up at this juncture and testing lynch vulnerability tomorrow (setting up 2 deaths) with little behavioral emphasis really has me concerned.
You were also one of those posturing around the BB case on page 5 here.
Lunch time, more later.
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