EDH Forum Changes

[fallen_guardian]

While I do strongly support Competitive EDH, I also believe one shouldn't bring competitive decks to casual games.

I play Erayo in tournaments against the whole gauntlet (Zur, Rofellos, Azami, Arcum etc...), but I would feel like a total douche bringing Erayo to a casual game. As a result I have my Teneb, (Timmy!!!) Reanimator deck.

[Elysium]

Originally Posted by fallen_guardian

While I do strongly support Competitive EDH, I also believe one shouldn't bring competitive decks to casual games.

I play Erayo in tournaments against the whole gauntlet (Zur, Rofellos, Azami, Arcum etc...), but I would feel like a total douche bringing Erayo to a casual game. As a result I have my Teneb, (Timmy!!!) Reanimator deck.

Quick aside. Where in utah are they hosting EDH tournaments exactly?

Or do you refer to tournaments abroad?

[Madding]

My quote was meant for the guy you were quoting, Elsyium. I actually agreed with your post almost entirely.

[DalkonCledwin]

Originally Posted by Helspont

I think that it might have been better broken down as 1v1 decks and multiplayer decks.

I am currently trying to decide whether changing the sub forum names to 1v1 and multiplayer would be worth doing. For one thing the issue is that it would mean a great deal of extra work on my part. For another, many decks aren't very clearly marked as to whether they are intended for multi-player or for 1v1, as such they would probably end up in the multi-player forum by default.

The other problem with this, is that it would force the Casual players and the Competitive Players to once again share forum space, which I was trying to prevent by separating the forum by "Casual" and "Competitive" decks. The reason I had the forum separated the way I did was to enable discussion of the more competitive decks to not take precedence over the casual discussion, and likewise the casual discussion does not super impose itself on the competitive discussions.

Originally Posted by Foil_Vampire

Well I guess if the moderators want more work to do in exchange for forums that are more difficult to navigate this is the way to go. Seems like a completely unnecessary change. The forum wasn't "messy" it was simple and everyone there liked it that way (as far as I know).

Actually, the forum was far from easy to navigate. It was supremely messy, and threads that were not on the first page often got ignored completely even if they were linked to using the deck cataloging thread. As such I feel that this change would enable people to pay more attention to their respective deck types and get more discussion on the various types of decks when and where possible.

[crz87]

This is definitely a more organized change. When I'm at the old forums, I would not be able to find decks that appealed to me. Rather, I had to click on a lot of threads I don't want to see to find something.

Now, all discussion is in the main forum, and specific decklists are in the sub-forums. This is a good trend since EDH is picking up in popularity and deserves a forum organization much like the other forums on MTGS (e.g. Standard, Legacy, etc which are broken down in a similar manner as well).

[Shaharazad]

After rethinking this, I really do like it.

I think it will make it easier to focus on the deck creators intent, which is really important.

[fallen_guardian]

Originally Posted by Elysium

Quick aside. Where in utah are they hosting EDH tournaments exactly?

Or do you refer to tournaments abroad?

Game Grid in Ogden runs a Highlander Tourney on the last saturday of each month. The scene is moderately competitive (Zur, Erayo and Rofellos make regular apperances) but lately prize support has lacked due to low attendance. A result of the fact that many of the highlander regulars played at Game Day instead.

Casual highlander is pretty big in the Layton area but its competitive scene is more or less nonexistant.

[Gojira X]

Originally Posted by DalkonCledwin

I am currently trying to decide whether changing the sub forum names to 1v1 and multiplayer would be worth doing. For one thing the issue is that it would mean a great deal of extra work on my part. For another, many decks aren't very clearly marked as to whether they are intended for multi-player or for 1v1, as such they would probably end up in the multi-player forum by default.

If a deck is intended for duels, it doesn't necessarily mean that it is "competitive," though.

If the person posting a decklist wants help, they should have a responsibility to explain their intention or purpose in the post. Perhaps there should just be guidelines/suggestions, but it's the poster's loss not to. For adding decks to the database, requirements and criteria are fine.

The other problem with this, is that it would force the Casual players and the Competitive Players to once again share forum space, which I was trying to prevent by separating the forum by "Casual" and "Competitive" decks. The reason I had the forum separated the way I did was to enable discussion of the more competitive decks to not take precedence over the casual discussion, and likewise the casual discussion does not super impose itself on the competitive discussions.

Was there such a problem of people's voices being drowned out? I see the benefits of everyone taking part in the same conversation. EDH is a casual format, even if some people play competitively. As such, it should be discussed in its totality.

Actually, the forum was far from easy to navigate. It was supremely messy, and threads that were not on the first page often got ignored completely even if they were linked to using the deck cataloging thread. As such I feel that this change would enable people to pay more attention to their respective deck types and get more discussion on the various types of decks when and where possible.

As the format grows, so does the forum. I can see the need to organize the forum better, but I think it would be better served by creating a sub-forum dedicated to decklists (of all types) and perhaps another for strategy, which would tilt more towards competitive players (but is big enough to cover duels and mulitplayer). That would leave the main forum for general discussion and questions.

Also, instituting a template or criteria to have a deck posted in the database would ensure that things are clearly laid out and more useful to readers.

I want the forum to serve readers and the format in the best way possible. I like that the format is expanding and that different people get different things out of it. But splintering it up, to clean it up is not the way.

[DalkonCledwin]

currently there is a suggestion to change the names of the two sub forums so that instead of being the competitive and casual sub forums they are instead the "Proven" and "Unproven" sub forums. If this occurs, one of two possibilities for limiting how decks get categorized as proven will be utilized.

1. First idea. the entire community of EDH posters will get a voice in deciding whether a deck deserves to get put into the EDH forum's proven section. This will either be done via polls or another method yet to be decided upon. If this option is taken, it will mean quite a bit of additional work for the Moderators. However it is likely to be the most fair method for all concerned.
2. Second Idea. The forum will have a rule put in place indicating a particular amount of testing that a deck must have been able to undergo successfully before the deck can be able to be placed into the sub forum for proven decks. The problem with this method is that such data can easily be forged without much of an issue.

Either way we go about this it will probably still result in headaches for someone somewhere down the line. At the very least it will result in the headache for the person who ends up having to move all the threads to their appropriate sub forums (which at the current time is me).