Bolas's Meddling

[Skibo]

I doubt Bolas would do anything on Alara without it being in his plan. And since he only turned to Alara after the Mending, i'd say that Creative messed up again.

I really, really, really, really, want a timeline. Because they seem to screw up on the time very often.

[Maybe Eid]

This entire argument can be resolved by one simple fact:
Nothing Bolas does makes sense.

[Barinellos]

Originally Posted by Angelmonster

I saw your previous posts it just doesn't make sense that Bolas would give immortality to anyone, pre or post mending. He is not someone who bestows gifts upon his followers. Plus he was stuck in a rift so how did he give them immortality? With the dialogue in the TS arc I am pretty sure he was unable to do anything from the Rift unless you were really close to it. So what, Marisi can Planeswalk to the rift? I dun think so

Y'know Bolas DID have about 20,000 years under his belt before he was sealed up in the rift. He also wasn't originally on Madara during the book series in which he got stuck in Madara, he only showed up in Madara at the end of the second book.

[Angelmonster]

Originally Posted by Barinellos

Y'know Bolas DID have about 20,000 years under his belt before he was sealed up in the rift. He also wasn't originally on Madara during the book series in which he got stuck in Madara, he only showed up in Madara at the end of the second book.

Again, why would Bolas give someone immortality? It just doesn't fit into his character at all. Everything in the multiverse is below him, they ar eunworthy of being his equals yet he would bistow immortality onto some random Leonin? It just simly doesn't fit his character.

My explanation for the whole thig is this: Doug Beyer.

[Skaterbruski]

It fits his character. He will do whatever he needs to reach his goal. Immortality just means he can't die of old age. Plus Marisi is arrogant, and ignorant of the multiverse. Bolas really didn't do much.

[warped bottle]

Originally Posted by Tezzeret

There is the same problem here: Bolas couldn't make her immortal while he was trapped in the Madaran Rift. So he had to do so either before his demise in Champion's Trial or after he was freed in Time Spiral... And the latter option is probably not possible, because TS took place only a few months before the Mending, which happened no more than 120 years before Agents of Artifice (as Eid says).

Why is it impossible for Bolas to have the foresight to start this scheme during time spiral?
That would seem like the most likely option. Bolas sees the possibility of his neutering and finds a way to start charging a mana battery.

[Skibo]

Originally Posted by warped bottle

Why is it impossible for Bolas to have the foresight to start this scheme during time spiral?
That would seem like the most likely option. Bolas sees the possibility of his neutering and finds a way to start charging a mana battery.

Because if Bolas did do so at the end of time spiral then the times don't line up. Alara only takes place at most 200 years or so after the mending. Which means that not enough time has passed on Alara for the Coil to break.

[Skaterbruski]

I was under then impression that the coil broke about 200 years ago.

[warped bottle]

Originally Posted by Skibo

Because if Bolas did do so at the end of time spiral then the times don't line up. Alara only takes place at most 200 years or so after the mending. Which means that not enough time has passed on Alara for the Coil to break.

True, forgot about that. Is it possible that, like his influence on Madara post-"death," he could have done this via a proxy?

[KeeperofManyNames]

Anyone have a list of links to all the information available about the Coil and Marisi? I think that would be extremely useful at this point, since we don't collectively seem to have a clear idea of just when the Coil broke and, therefore, how old Marisi would have to be.

[Voila!]

Originally Posted by Skaterbruski

I was under then impression that the coil broke about 200 years ago.

Originally Posted by warped bottle

True, forgot about that. Is it possible that, like his influence on Madara post-"death," he could have done this via a proxy?

Uh, guys? Liliana? She's only 100-150 years old, and she's confirmed to be pre-Mending, even though it hasn't mattered in the storyline yet. Bolas was destroyed pre-Invasion, which occurred 300+ years prior to the Mending. At best, Bolas set things in motion that ultimately resulted in the Coil crumbling only 200 years ago, but it seems like a weak theory to me.

[warped bottle]

Originally Posted by Voila!

Uh, guys? Liliana? She's only 100-150 years old, and she's confirmed to be pre-Mending, even though it hasn't mattered in the storyline yet. Bolas was destroyed pre-Invasion, which occurred 300+ years prior to the Mending. At best, Bolas set things in motion that ultimately resulted in the Coil crumbling only 200 years ago, but it seems like a weak theory to me.

are you saying liliana is the proxy that set the events into motion?
or are you just throwing a wrench in the works?

[Skaterbruski]

Liliana and Bolas did make an arangement at the beginning of AoA, who's to say that they never did buisness beforE?

[Angelmonster]

I think this speculation is getting a little out of control. Re-read Alara, no evidence what-so-ever points to Bolas being on the Plane before the Mending. no one worshipped him for eons like there are for Progenitus.

All in all I think all of us are looking into this a little too much. Witht he lack of information Doug gave to us and MtG giving us no further information we simply don't know exactly what went down with Bolas, Alara and Marisi. No Planeswalker has ever bistowed immortality unto their companion becaus eI think Urza would have done that for Barrin I just think this was one of those things that Magic decided to do and not think about before they published it.

Information we need:

1)When did Bolas find Alara? Was it before or after the sundering?
2)What exactly could Bolas do while within the Rift at the Talon Gates?
3)How old is Marisi? when did he break the coil?
4)Follow up to 3. If Marisi is "immortal" how is he immortal and did Bolas do it? If he did how come he coudl do that but be so weak at the same time?

I think we should all just lol at this and let it go. MtG won't address this, lets call it the new "Karona resing Serra/Yawgy"

[KeeperofManyNames]

Angelmonster, while those are important questions, why should we assume, given the lack of evidence, that this is an unresolvable error? Isn't that just a smidge disingenuous?