Spelweaver Helix infinite turns

Wiatrogon · 11-13-2009, 02:07 AM

Random idea came into my head. Combine Spellweaver Helix with Time Warp and any card with retrace ex. Raven's Crime. What do you think? Playable or not?

Darklightz · 11-13-2009, 08:08 AM

I'd rather use a spell with buyback, much more reliable than retrace.

compulsive · 11-13-2009, 09:49 AM

Reclaim sounds good. Wait, I'm thinking of something else. It's recollect. Anyway, with 2, It's a guaranteed infinite.

Obs Kaennus · 11-13-2009, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Darklightz

I'd rather use a spell with buyback, much more reliable than retrace.

Mystic Speculation, the cheapest buyback cost, also on color...

Now, something is needed to dump both spells into the graveyard... Gifts Ungiven could be an option, if we already have the Hellix and another Speculation in hand...

It'll be cool coming up with a list... I'll give it a try...

TheChosen1 · 11-14-2009, 02:38 AM

Orr... Panoptic Mirror + Time Warp.

NavyJoe · 11-14-2009, 04:01 PM

Yeah this was a deck back in the day using Spellweaver Helix with Crush of Wurms + Chatter of the Squirrel or Cabal Therapy to get 5-6 6/6's in play. But onto the new versions of the deck. B/G with Raven's Crime and Life from the Loam. You don't need to play blue as you can just use discard cards on yourself to get the Time Warp in the g/y. I even seen someone working on a B/W deck using Helix w/ RC and Storm Herd the dude had 60 1/1 tokens and the guy had no cards in hand. That's game pretty much. And b/w is more defensive.

bryanmeerkat · 11-15-2009, 04:55 AM

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Originally Posted by TheChosen1

Orr... Panoptic Mirror + Time Warp.

Well redundancy is the key to consistency

Fluke32 · 11-18-2009, 08:41 AM

???

The strategy already exists in Legacy you know? Anyway this is what you want:

Spellweaver Hellix targeting Time Warp + Retrace
Spellweaver Hellix targeting Time Warp + Dredge with Gaea's Blessing(timeshifted, so don't tell me it's illegal)

Anyway, this might be the skeleton you're gonna want to build:

Main combo
3 Time Warp
4 Spellweaver Hellix

Dredge Package
4 Darkblast
2 Life from the Loam
2 Gaea's Blessing

Retrace Package
4 Flame Jab
4 Raven's Crime

As for the mana base, I think that 4 Forbidden Orchard is necessary to produce default targets for both Darkblast and Flame Jab.

Obs Kaennus · 11-18-2009, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by TheChosen1

Orr... Panoptic Mirror + Time Warp.

They might be worth trying too... the trouble is that, despite being a two card combo, it takes a whole turn to go off, whereas Spellweaver Helix could be triggered as soon as it enters the battlefield...

Anyway, the card I like better with Panoptic Mirror is Savor the moment... yes... you won't get another untap step again, but who cares when one has about 30-40 turns ahead to play around the drawback (early harvest, maybe; planeswalkers, definitely)... now, since it only cost 3, it allows to keep more mana untapped to protect the mirror...

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Originally Posted by Fluke32

As for the mana base, I think that 4 Forbidden Orchard is necessary to produce default targets for both Darkblast and Flame Jab.

Well, actually, Flamejab could be pointed at the opponent, so the orchard would be necessary regarding the DarkblastAnyway, nice suggestion on the skeleton to build a deck around... yet I guess I'm going to try the buyback build (no many mana requirements... even viable MU).

My sketch of the deck:

Deck
Lands 4x Scrying Sheets 20x Snow-Covered Island Combo Parts 4x Spellweaver Helix 4x Time Warp 1x Time Stretch 4x Mystic Speculation Support 4x Thirst for Knowledge 4x Rune Snag 4x Negate 1x Reminisce 4x Repeal	Win Conditions 3x Jace Beleren 2x Random Dude 2x Random non-creature Spell

No yet decided on the win-cons, apart from Jace which is also in there for utility. I'm not sure if it might be worth adding acceleration... personally, i think blue it's rather weak on its own it better go off fast, in the other hand, I really hate devoting the entire deck to mana acceleration... I'd rather add a second color (w/b) which may offer ways to survive against aggro and some answers againts other combo decks (either hand disruption from black or silence from white)...

Anyway...

O.B.

fatdogwiggle · 11-18-2009, 02:42 PM

I had a deck that did this a long time ago. Keep in Mind I actually got this off ....once:

Memory Crystal+Memory Crystal+Spellweaver Helix+Blatant Thievery(in grave via hard cast)+Ashnod's Alter+Bog Initiate+Lab Rats (in grave)+Lab Rats

Daz · Yesterday, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Wiatrogon

Random idea came into my head. Combine Spellweaver Helix with Time Warp and any card with retrace ex. Raven's Crime. What do you think? Playable or not?

that's funny, an article on the wizards website has this exact idea and it comes with a decklist.

dopamine · Today, 03:41 PM

Problem with this is that it loses to graveyard hate directed at dredge. Why not just play dredge?

blondbearde · Today, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by dopamine

Problem with this is that it loses to graveyard hate directed at dredge. Why not just play dredge?

Because some people like to be original.
Why do i play summoning trap in standard?
Because it's a fun interaction.

11-13-2009, 02:07 AM	#1
Wiatrogon Common Mage Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Wrocław, Poland Posts: 42	Spelweaver Helix infinite turns Random idea came into my head. Combine Spellweaver Helix with Time Warp and any card with retrace ex. Raven's Crime. What do you think? Playable or not?

11-13-2009, 09:49 AM	#3
compulsive Wizard Mentor Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 582	Reclaim sounds good. Wait, I'm thinking of something else. It's recollect. Anyway, with 2, It's a guaranteed infinite. __________________ Best video games of all time: 4. Metal Gear Solid 3. Super Mario 64 2. Ocarina of Time 1. Cave Story ^ Seriously, play it and thank me later. Last edited by compulsive : 11-13-2009 at 09:53 AM.

11-14-2009, 04:01 PM	#6
NavyJoe Freeing One Mind At A Time Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Honolulu, HI Posts: 2,538	Yeah this was a deck back in the day using Spellweaver Helix with Crush of Wurms + Chatter of the Squirrel or Cabal Therapy to get 5-6 6/6's in play. But onto the new versions of the deck. B/G with Raven's Crime and Life from the Loam. You don't need to play blue as you can just use discard cards on yourself to get the Time Warp in the g/y. I even seen someone working on a B/W deck using Helix w/ RC and Storm Herd the dude had 60 1/1 tokens and the guy had no cards in hand. That's game pretty much. And b/w is more defensive. __________________ Thanks Nex3 Seeking Hawaii Players. PM me if you live in Hawaii!!!

11-18-2009, 02:42 PM	#10
fatdogwiggle Ascended Mage Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 341	I had a deck that did this a long time ago. Keep in Mind I actually got this off ....once: Memory Crystal+Memory Crystal+Spellweaver Helix+Blatant Thievery(in grave via hard cast)+Ashnod's Alter+Bog Initiate+Lab Rats (in grave)+Lab Rats __________________

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dopamine Ascended Mage Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 223	Problem with this is that it loses to graveyard hate directed at dredge. Why not just play dredge? __________________ Have/Want List: http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=115407


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