Since some people moved them to their appropriate color:
Do we rank colored utility lands like Shelldock Isle / Academy Ruins as blue cards or are these to be evaluated separately?
I'm under the impression that the lands will go in their own section.
Since some people moved them to their appropriate color:
Do we rank colored utility lands like Shelldock Isle / Academy Ruins as blue cards or are these to be evaluated separately?
K, I just wanted to be sure, since we had Vedalken Shackles in this voting.
Everybody adding Shelldock Isle to all lists last minute would probably not worked out anyway.
Non-basic lands have their own section. All of the above listed lands will be voted on in that section.
Vedalken Shackles is by all means counted as a Blue card, as it's practically worthless without you running Blue to a strong extent in any deck.
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Vedalken Shackles is by all means counted as a Blue card, as it's practically worthless without you running Blue to a strong extent in any deck.
Does that mean that cabal coffers would count as a black card? Not that I'm going to vote for it, but it is really only good in heavy black decks, so is that where it would be listed?
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Vedalken Shackles is ONLY useful in Blue decks, thus a Blue card.
I don't have a problem with it. Just checking the guidelines. But I think Shackles is slightly more likely to be useful in non-U decks than cabal coffers is in non-B decks.
I don't have a problem with it. Just checking the guidelines. But I think Shackles is slightly more likely to be useful in non-U decks than cabal coffers is in non-B decks.
Is it? I think they both do nothing in off-color decks.
Is it? I think they both do nothing in off-color decks.
Even in off color decks you can use shackles to steal goat tokens. With one dual land you could steal bitterblossom faerie tokens. And with two dual lands you can steal a wide variety of creatures.
With 0 swamps, cabal coffers does nothing. With one swamp I suppose it's a very poor way to filter to an extra black mana. And with 2 swamps it's still a really poor way to filter to black mana (but you already have two swamps, so it isn't really necessary). At 3 swamps it finally functions like a regular land. And at 4 swamps you finally start seeing real benefits.
Shackles is far and away a better splash, though that is in large part due to the fact that shackles is just a way better card.
Even in off color decks you can use shackles to steal goat tokens. With one dual land you could steal bitterblossom faerie tokens. And with two dual lands you can steal a wide variety of creatures.
With 0 swamps, cabal coffers does nothing. With one swamp I suppose it's a very poor way to filter to an extra black mana. And with 2 swamps it's still a really poor way to filter to black mana (but you already have two swamps, so it isn't really necessary). At 3 swamps it finally functions like a regular land. And at 4 swamps you finally start seeing real benefits.
Shackles is far and away a better splash, though that is in large part due to the fact that shackles is just a way better card.
True enough.
Although I don't think I'd use Shackles unless I had a decent island count, and I wouldn't use Coffers... in the cube at all.
Even in off color decks you can use shackles to steal goat tokens. With one dual land you could steal bitterblossom faerie tokens. And with two dual lands you can steal a wide variety of creatures.
With 0 swamps, cabal coffers does nothing. With one swamp I suppose it's a very poor way to filter to an extra black mana. And with 2 swamps it's still a really poor way to filter to black mana (but you already have two swamps, so it isn't really necessary). At 3 swamps it finally functions like a regular land. And at 4 swamps you finally start seeing real benefits.
Shackles is far and away a better splash, though that is in large part due to the fact that shackles is just a way better card.
Nah, you just draft Coffers & Urborg and hope you get lucky.
Thanks to everyone who voted and discussed the color and it's cards.
Because I'm a total slacker, I left my jump drive at home (which has all the Cube info on it) so I'll get Blue's final rankings, participants and TURF up tomorrow morning.
In the meantime (Helmet reference FTW), Black voting is NOW OPEN. It will remain open until Friday at 12:00 PM Pacific.
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The guy I'm expecting to see the most doesn't even make the first list! We'll see how the rest of the votes sort out...
(Nice avatar pic by the way HotShot -- I offered a dude $40 for a Gifts Given this last weekend and he turned me down. Well, that was in part because he wanted my Library of Alexandria and wanted to put the Gifts into that deal. I was nowhere NEAR doing that.)
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Thanks, im interested to see what card you are referring to.
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Not too surprising with this list either. Ob Nix and Kokusho were really close, as they're both great finishers that cause direct life loss. It really could go either way between those two as to which I'd choose. Kokusho can get really amazing with Recurring Nightmare and stuff, but I've seen what Ob Nix can do with fetchlands and other land recursion effects. I did 21 damage with Ob Nix after only attacking with him once... and he's been winning games here left and right. Either way, they're both towards the bottom of the list. Sorin made the list too, as he's been a powerhouse for us here. Both mid-range and control decks can use him effectively, and the +2 makes him hard to race, and the life-gain counters the loss from lots of other black cards.
Silent Edge's Tidbits of Wisdom: The Lewis Theory - When the presence of a single card makes every other card in your deck better (see Lewis, Ray). The Rubber Edict - You'd rather have it and not use it, than need it and not have it. The Shotgun Wedding - Don't commit early unless you absolutely have to.
I'm under the impression that the lands will go in their own section.
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19 Time Walk
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15 Force of Will
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13 Tinker
12 Jace, the Mindsculptor
11 Vedalken Shackles
10 Forbid
9 Future Sight
8 Keiga, the Tide Star
7 Morphling
6 Mulldrifter
5 Gifts Ungiven
4 Upheaval
3 Capsize
2 Cryptic Command
1 Bribery
Non-basic lands have their own section. All of the above listed lands will be voted on in that section.
Vedalken Shackles is by all means counted as a Blue card, as it's practically worthless without you running Blue to a strong extent in any deck.
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Does that mean that cabal coffers would count as a black card? Not that I'm going to vote for it, but it is really only good in heavy black decks, so is that where it would be listed?
Vedalken Shackles is ONLY useful in Blue decks, thus a Blue card.
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The Lewis Theory - When the presence of a single card makes every other card in your deck better (see Lewis, Ray).
The Rubber Edict - You'd rather have it and not use it, than need it and not have it.
The Shotgun Wedding - Don't commit early unless you absolutely have to.
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I don't have a problem with it. Just checking the guidelines. But I think Shackles is slightly more likely to be useful in non-U decks than cabal coffers is in non-B decks.
Is it? I think they both do nothing in off-color decks.
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Even in off color decks you can use shackles to steal goat tokens. With one dual land you could steal bitterblossom faerie tokens. And with two dual lands you can steal a wide variety of creatures.
With 0 swamps, cabal coffers does nothing. With one swamp I suppose it's a very poor way to filter to an extra black mana. And with 2 swamps it's still a really poor way to filter to black mana (but you already have two swamps, so it isn't really necessary). At 3 swamps it finally functions like a regular land. And at 4 swamps you finally start seeing real benefits.
Shackles is far and away a better splash, though that is in large part due to the fact that shackles is just a way better card.
True enough.
Although I don't think I'd use Shackles unless I had a decent island count, and I wouldn't use Coffers... in the cube at all.
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Nah, you just draft Coffers & Urborg and hope you get lucky.
Thanks to everyone who voted and discussed the color and it's cards.
Because I'm a total slacker, I left my jump drive at home (which has all the Cube info on it) so I'll get Blue's final rankings, participants and TURF up tomorrow morning.
In the meantime (Helmet reference FTW), Black voting is NOW OPEN. It will remain open until Friday at 12:00 PM Pacific.
Here's a look at 2009's Black Power Rankings...
2 Recurring Nightmare - 18.5
3 Demonic Tutor - 17.5
4 Vampiric Tutor - 16.3
5 Bitterblossom - 14.7
6 Damnation - 12.3
7 Yawgmoth's Will - 9.9
8 Dark Confidant - 9.5
9 Hymn to Tourach - 9.1
10 Phyrexian Arena - 8.3
11 Thoughtseize - 7.1
12 Yawgmoth's Bargain - 6.1
13 Liliana Vess - 5.2
14 Shriekmaw - 4.7
15 Profane Command - 4.5
16 Duress - 4.2
17 Kokusho, the Evening Star - 4.0
18 Dark Ritual - 3.8
19 Hypnotic Specter - 2.9
20 Ink-Eyes, Servant of Oni - 2.8
20 Sinkhole - 2.8
20 Living Death - 2.8
I can see some stuff changing in 2010. Let's do it.
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The Lewis Theory - When the presence of a single card makes every other card in your deck better (see Lewis, Ray).
The Rubber Edict - You'd rather have it and not use it, than need it and not have it.
The Shotgun Wedding - Don't commit early unless you absolutely have to.
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1. Mind Twist
2. Bitterblossom
3. Recurring Nightmare
4. Demonic Tutor
5. Hymn to Tourach
6. Entomb
7. Damnation
8. Sinkhole
9. Phyrexian Arena
10. Kokusho, the Evening Star
11. Bloodghast
12. Dark Ritual
13. Braids, Cabal Minion
14. Thoughtseize
15. Vampiric Tutor
16. Dark Confidant
17. Profane Command
18. Sorin Markov
19. Decree of Pain
20. Barter in Blood
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My 2009 Cube Draft Article - "With The First Pick..."
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Silent Edge's Tidbits of Wisdom:
The Lewis Theory - When the presence of a single card makes every other card in your deck better (see Lewis, Ray).
The Rubber Edict - You'd rather have it and not use it, than need it and not have it.
The Shotgun Wedding - Don't commit early unless you absolutely have to.
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Starts with OB
and ends with Nixilis!
(not really sure, just wanted to throw that out there!)
(probably either OB/Sorin or Bloodghast since they are all relatively new to cube)
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2) recurring nightmare
3) bitterblossom
4) demonic tutor
5) vampiric tutor
6) imperial seal
7) dark confidant
8) damnation
9) shriekmaw
10) phyrexian arena
11) sorin markov
12) profane command
13) Yawgmoth's Will
14) yawgmoth's bargain
15) thoughtseize
16) hymn to tourach
17) duress
18) kokusho, the evening star
19) liliana vess
20) dark ritual
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2 Recurring Nightmare
3 Demonic Tutor
4 Bitterblossom
5 Vampiric Tutor
6 Dark Confidant
7 Hymn to Tourach
8 Damnation
9 Phyrexian Arena
10 Yawgmoth's Will
11 Dark Ritual
12 Thoughtseize
13 Ob Nixilis, the Fallen
14 Kokusho, the Evening Star
15 Profane Command
16 Shriekmaw
17 Braids, Cabal Minion
18 Yawgmoth's Bargain
19 Sorin Markov
20 Sinkhole
Not too surprising with this list either. Ob Nix and Kokusho were really close, as they're both great finishers that cause direct life loss. It really could go either way between those two as to which I'd choose. Kokusho can get really amazing with Recurring Nightmare and stuff, but I've seen what Ob Nix can do with fetchlands and other land recursion effects. I did 21 damage with Ob Nix after only attacking with him once... and he's been winning games here left and right. Either way, they're both towards the bottom of the list. Sorin made the list too, as he's been a powerhouse for us here. Both mid-range and control decks can use him effectively, and the +2 makes him hard to race, and the life-gain counters the loss from lots of other black cards.
Honorable Mentions: Vampire Nighthawk, Duress, Liliana Vess, Snuff Out & Hypnotic Specter.
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2. Mind Twist
3. Demonic Tutor
4. Kokusho, the Evening Star
5. Phyrexian Arena
6. Victimize
7. Hymn to Tourach
8. Damnation
9. Vampiric Tutor
10. Bitterblossom
11. Thoughtsieze
12. Shriekmaw
13. Barter in Blood
14. Sorin Markov
15. Beacon of Unrest
16. Abyssal Persecutor
17. Lilliana Vess
18. Innocent Blood
19. Anowon, the Ruin Sage
20. The Abyss
Edit: Replace Desolation Angel
Agreed. Alright. I'll remove her and add in something else.
2 Phyrexian Arena
3 Damnation
4 Demonic Tutor
5 Bitterblossom
6 Profane Command
7 Yawgmoth's Bargain
8 Graveborn Muse
9 Thoughtseize
10 Recurring Nightmare
11 Vampiric Tutor
12 Necropotence
13 Nether Void
14 The Abyss
15 Barter in Blood
16 Sorin Markov
17 Liliana Vess
18 Hymn to Tourach
19 Ob Nixilis, the Fallen
20 Bane of the Living
This.
Deso is a BW card, and will be included in the Multi/Hybrid Voting. Thanks Eidolon!
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Silent Edge's Tidbits of Wisdom:
The Lewis Theory - When the presence of a single card makes every other card in your deck better (see Lewis, Ray).
The Rubber Edict - You'd rather have it and not use it, than need it and not have it.
The Shotgun Wedding - Don't commit early unless you absolutely have to.
Twitter: @archplus3