Announcing Deck Builder's Toolkit

[pandafarmer]

Originally Posted by urzishra

I hope they make an extension of this and have Cubes one could buy in the store. I don't want to build one.

Well, you could always buy a "Collector's Edition." It's much cheaper than the real thing and it's basically a cube in itself.

[KnickM]

Originally Posted by Commander Greven

This would honestly be likely to sell poorly. The majority of people with cubes go out of their way to pimp them out as much as possible, so cards from a promo cube would have no place in there, meaning that the product obsoletes itself. Also, $100 is very expensive for a Magic product, and frankly they know better. I'm sure they've already learned from the premium Sliver decks that if they want something to sell at $35, it needs to be a LOT better than those decks were. I'm really enjoying the deck and its a lot of fun, but their attempt next year will hopefully be better.

Your logic cannot counter my boundless pessimism!

Although slightly more seriously, if WOTC released a product like this, they'd be aiming at people who've heard how much fun it is to cube but who didn't care to pimp out a cube. Or they could always release it in all-foil, or with new artwork, tempting people who *are* pimping out cubes.

I realize that I'm painting a corner case here. I don't expect them to do this (and I really kinda hope they don't).

[Commander Greven]

Originally Posted by KnickM

Your logic cannot counter my boundless pessimism!

Although slightly more seriously, if WOTC released a product like this, they'd be aiming at people who've heard how much fun it is to cube but who didn't care to pimp out a cube. Or they could always release it in all-foil, or with new artwork, tempting people who *are* pimping out cubes.

I realize that I'm painting a corner case here. I don't expect them to do this (and I really kinda hope they don't).

The sector of the market that knows enough to want to build a cube, is too lazy to build one themselves, and doesn't care about having the absolute least pimped out cube ever is ridiculously small. Even with new artwork and such, FTV foils are considered less pimp than regular foils, since regular ones are much rarer. (I believe even non-foils win, such as Beta Berserk over foil FTV Berserk)

[KnickM]

Originally Posted by Commander Greven

The sector of the market that knows enough to want to build a cube, is too lazy to build one themselves, and doesn't care about having the absolute least pimped out cube ever is ridiculously small. Even with new artwork and such, FTV foils are considered less pimp than regular foils, since regular ones are much rarer. (I believe even non-foils win, such as Beta Berserk over foil FTV Berserk)

I'm not arguing with you. I totally agree with your points. I'm just saying, I wouldn't put it past them (WOTC) to print it, is all.

[Commander Greven]

And all I'm saying is that WOTC knows better, lol.

[KnickM]

Originally Posted by Commander Greven

And all I'm saying is that WOTC knows better, lol.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is the difference between an optimist and a pessimist.

For our next act, Greven and I will talk about something completely different - mana with three buttocks.

[RandyWalker]

Sorry, but what is a "cube"? I've never heard this term in reference to M:TG before. O_o

[urzishra]

Originally Posted by Commander Greven

I cube is normally 400+ of the best cards ever printed including a full set of fetch lands, shock lands, dual lands, power, etc. If WotC sold cubes, they would retail at thousands of dollars per unit.

#edit: Or be gold bordered, but they'd still be expensive.

from my experience. a "cube" is just an assorted collection of cards, most times, the most powerful cards in the game, but not necessarily. The main idea of a cube is to have "fun" a lot of people use it to have a lot of power in it, others put their favorite cards in it. As long as there wasn't any duplicates ANY big collection of cards can be a "cube".

I love to buy random "repacks" off of ebay and use them for sealed/drafts around my playgroups.

In fact, the less powerful the collection of cards, the more fun it is. At least in my experience.

[Gaea's Regent]

Originally Posted by RandyWalker

Sorry, but what is a "cube"? I've never heard this term in reference to M:TG before. O_o

Try checking this out:
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/forumdisplay.php?f=349

[charlequin]

Originally Posted by KnickM

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is the difference between an optimist and a pessimist.

In this case, the difference is apparently that the optimist is supporting his case with specific evidence and the pessimist is saying "I know my position doesn't really make sense, but I think it'll happen anyway."

[KnickM]

Originally Posted by charlequin

In this case, the difference is apparently that the optimist is supporting his case with specific evidence and the pessimist is saying "I know my position doesn't really make sense, but I think it'll happen anyway."

More like "I know that it's unlikely, but I can't shake the admittedly unreasonable idea that this might happen."

[xfollowthereaperx]

Originally Posted by KnickM

They don't have to make the super-powered cube. They could have 400+ of the best commons, uncommons, and unrestricted rares that they felt they could justify reprinting. Call it a cube, sell it for a hundred bucks, and suggest some cards that could go into it if you feel like upgrading - same as with the intro packs. If nothing else, it'd be a great opportunity for them to fill some more gaps in MODO.

I think it's a cool idea, pretty cool if they included the now worthless pain or filter lands to cut the price down.

Still be about $100 at the least.

[Sam111111]

You know, when I read this I can't help but think WOTC is like that guy in YuGiOh: The Abridged Series.
'Attention Duelists! My Hair is telling you to come and buy these trading cards!'
Anyways ... this is OK, I guess. Eh. Wish we had tourney packs.

[nal2]

Sorry if this image is known, but didn't see an attachment in this thread:



Found it accidentally on tfaw today.

[MisterMind]

Originally Posted by nal2

Sorry if this image is known, but didn't see an attachment in this thread:



Found it accidentally on tfaw today.

The color hurts my eyes. I think it'll look nice next to the other Magic products though.