First, at least we know Cyan's not the Man in the Armani Suit, the guy with the highest chance of being SK.
Second, joboman's got an extremely easy scum meta.
Third, I'm thinking that I'd support a lynch on DV, given how he supported just about every word out of joboman's mouth. "Oh, joboman says that the cult leader and the Indian delegate are different, therefore there must be two Indians." "Oh, joboman says Cyan's the SK, therefore he is." "Oh, let's get help from the scum to take out the SK. And we should obviously believe the scum because joboman's with them." Vote Deaths_Vampire.
Lets also not forget how DV has constantly badgered and accused me even after I was more or less cleared due to the serum. Its clear scum are not fond of town afterall, especially town not likely to be lynched.
You know what, why not? Lets see where this goes.
vote DV as well.
(votes were reset as I recall, so my previous vote should be cleared)
Guardman: I just find it odd that after whats happened in the last few posts that you find everything irrelevant but your existing suspicions of Jobie. I think you're either being lazy in analysis or naive about your suspicions.
Or I think that there isn't much to analyze about what just happened until Cyan is no longer unlynchable and we figure out what the hell is going on with CM's answer.
Though if somebody presents an especially damning case against someone else I am more than willing to lynch that person instead of Jobie. But until that time my vote stands.
This line of thought seems silly, honestly. Xyre's flavor-scene outed me as killing Joboman. This is in-sync with requiring that the kill be posted in-thread(if I only had to PM him my kills, and then he made a flavor scene like that, it would be fairly contradictory, and ridiculously unfair to me).
No the time stamps prove EVERYTHING. You can't argue with this. It's not unfair. You screwed up. Live with it.
To address all of the votes on me.
One Cyan is just trying to get me lynched really I just feel like it is his vendetta against me.
Two I found Fox to be a weak player because I have played with Fox before. I have no clue who he is.
Three I felt that Fox shouldn't have been lynched and I stay by that.
Four I was all to quick to go with the mass claim blog idea ok right other players did this too.
Five lurkers need to be payed attention too. Every game that I have lost as town has been lost too mafia lurkers. Look at Ghost Town for a good example. So it was something new I was trying out and I still stand by this.
Six I believe that there are two Indian delegates. I am sorry that it was Joboman's posting who made me think of this. But when I saw him post that it sparked an idea in my mind.
Seven I never said we should believe the scum. But obv. if there is an sk we need to work with them to kill the SK, because killing the SK is in everyones best interests.
One Cyan is just trying to get me lynched really I just feel like it is his vendetta against me.
lol what's with this vendetta you think Cyan has against you? I think you mention it in like every game
Six I believe that there are two Indian delegates. I am sorry that it was Joboman's posting who made me think of this. But when I saw him post that it sparked an idea in my mind.
Why do you think this and what impact would having two Indian delegates have on us if there were two of them here?
Seven I never said we should believe the scum. But obv. if there is an sk we need to work with them to kill the SK, because killing the SK is in everyones best interests.
With the current record of kills made by Cyan this game, I'd say scum would rather kill him more than town does.
Seven I never said we should believe the scum. But obv. if there is an sk we need to work with them to kill the SK, because killing the SK is in everyones best interests.
There's a big issue here. You told joboman to post on the blog as a scum representative. What point does that have unless you want to listen to what he has to say?
Pepper spray: The pepper spray was actually mine, but I assumed back on day 1 that loran must have something with an identical ability. It never made sense to me that he'd been able to actively block the daykill on himself, and I guess the only result is that the course of events must have been:
1. Nom Anor announces the daykill but doesn't submit it yet
2. loran submits the roleblock
3. Nom Anor actually submits the daykill
Not satisfactory, but the only real explanation I can think of besides "DM is lying about how his ability works" and I don't get a sense he is lying about that.
Yeah it looks like that's how things went down. Looking back at the posts then, loran had plenty of time to submit his block before Nom sent in his kill. However the thing that is troublesome is what someone brought up before but is now a bigger point imo: loran baiting Nom into shooting him doesn't make sense from a town perspective. We know now that his action wasn't passive which means that he baited someone he was treating as a town daykiller to shoot him AND used up his own roleblock to prevent the kill from happening. This just doesn't fit.
An alternative explanation is that you are playing your first scum game and don't really know how to proceed.
I really hope that this is not the premise that you are basing everything else off of.
I would say there is a behavior case on loran, if not on DM. And classic scum modus operandi is to not take strong positions that they can then be caught out on, which - as I will show below - you have done this entire game.
Looking back on your opinions on Eco, you really never committed yourself on him either. You made a bunch of references to "now that everyone's dropped the case." If you thought he was scum, why didn't you make more of a fuss? And in 879, you told us that Eco's role was "more likely" on town. So it seems it did say something about his alignment.
I'm saying it's a smokescreen for why you aren't going to provide real content.
All right, you weren't against it. But you were hardly a front-runner - you got on the wagon very late, and look at this comment on Fox:
This is the kind of wishy-washy thing I'm talking about. Most of your comments about alignments in this game have been of this nature.
It wasn't the sentiment there, it was the phrasing. It just looked mealy-mouthed, as though you were keeping the door open. If your point is that the item has no impact on his alignment, then why say it "paints him in a better light?" You're doing the same thing you did about Eco's role - fence-sitting and leaving yourself an avenue of attack.
I can see how this bothers you but I just didn't have very solid opinions on Ecophagy and Fox. They were both wagons that sprung up from a deadline. With Ecophagy everyone suddenly dropped the wagon as soon as he claimed which was confusing. Fox's wagon was based off one post that was very bad. I'd say that people who were convinced that he was scum from that post were deluding themselves.
As for Zionite - his role says that he is more likely town than not, but his extreme lurky behaviour and attitude to anyone that comments on it has been bothering me the whole game; hence why I am hesitant to clear him solely based on his role.
The question I asked was, in broad terms "is Cyan the player I need lynched?"
This is not the exact question because I don't want to run the risk of getting mod-killed on PM quoting.
I have yet to recieve a solid answer because, as I said, the mods are debating how exactly to interpret my answer. I'm assuming that Arim and Xyre have different ideas on what the answer is, but they won't confirm or deny that theory.
I do have confirmation that if they can't reach an agreement by twilight, they'll consider the ability nulled, as if it never happened. Meaning I'll be albe to ask a question tonight or tomorrow.
Honestly, if I had any more I'd tell you but right now my hands are tied.
My hypothetical has been answered in double-quick time. It would be fair to say without PM quoting that Xyre has given me the impression that the situation CM has described is pretty solidly at odds with Xyre's policy on answering questions. It wasn't 100% ruled out, though.
As far as translation goes I translated some of the words but I'm not sure about some of the other ones. It's like something like "There was, close to, and believer (?), you, in your hands, believers (?), believe in (?), in more, to be able, to do so" or something like that.
I think it's more like: "Trust and rely on these hands, they're the best possible."
If I were scum, and joboman were town and knew that I were scum, I would have to assume that he would simply say as much in-thread; not try to hold my daykill hostage.
I conclude that joboman is scum. Daykill Joboman
Cyan shutting up Joboman before he could say anything else worries me a lot. Yes, Jobo was scum but he seemed to genuinely be hunting the SK and found him in Cyan.
@Penguin: I PMed Xyre before I posted that to the thread. I was just trying to get his attention, so that this would be resolved before he logged off or anything. He told me to go post the kill in the thread, and I replied and said okay. I guess that he took this as confirmation that I would do so and posted the 'action scene forthcoming' bit.
I find it extremely doubtful that he would go and post 'action scene coming' before your action was submitted if you actually need to post it in thread. It would be misleading and undfair.
This line of thought seems silly, honestly. Xyre's flavor-scene outed me as killing Joboman. This is in-sync with requiring that the kill be posted in-thread(if I only had to PM him my kills, and then he made a flavor scene like that, it would be fairly contradictory, and ridiculously unfair to me).
Hmm. That's true. But it's just as unfair to do what you claim he did. And actually, outing you as the killer, when you posted Daykill Jobo in the game is not that unfair - it's your kill and you were claiming it.
I still think you don't need to post anything and you're the SK.
As for DV..
DV is like..as obviously scum as it gets. I searched for posts by him to get a better read on him and some of his stuff is unbelievably scummy.
He adamantly defended Fox yesterday, when Fox came under early suspicion because of how he tried to call out Descoures for his '3 posts' thing.
Also, knowing that Fox was scum, I suspect that he told his scumbuddies who he is a gimmick for, and that is why DV referred to him as a 'weak player'.
He did nothing all day except try to run up wagons on lurkers.
He was all too quick to go along with the 'mass-claim via blog' idea.
He also tried to derail the Fox lynch by downplaying it as just a deadline lynch.
Seriously, he is so scummy that it's kind of amusing. If he is, it means that joboman did not relay my entire role PM to the rest of the scum-team, which is fantastic. Some of it, they just don't need to know about.
First, at least we know Cyan's not the Man in the Armani Suit, the guy with the highest chance of being SK.
Second, joboman's got an extremely easy scum meta.
Third, I'm thinking that I'd support a lynch on DV, given how he supported just about every word out of joboman's mouth. "Oh, joboman says that the cult leader and the Indian delegate are different, therefore there must be two Indians." "Oh, joboman says Cyan's the SK, therefore he is." "Oh, let's get help from the scum to take out the SK. And we should obviously believe the scum because joboman's with them." Vote Deaths_Vampire.
DV really seems to have been moving in tandem with Jobman. Unvote Vote Death's Vampire
Fine with ignoring Cyan for now, especially as he could actually turn out to be the vig.
In other news an accurate translation of the hebrew words in that doc: "Rest assured you are in safe hands, safest possible" Nothing mischievous over there.
Yeah, that's a much cleaner translation than mine.
Or I think that there isn't much to analyze about what just happened until Cyan is no longer unlynchable and we figure out what the hell is going on with CM's answer.
Though if somebody presents an especially damning case against someone else I am more than willing to lynch that person instead of Jobie. But until that time my vote stands.
One Cyan is just trying to get me lynched really I just feel like it is his vendetta against me.
Trying to frame the wagon on you as driven by vendetta doesn't make you look any better.
Two I found Fox to be a weak player because I have played with Fox before. I have no clue who he is.
OK.
Three I felt that Fox shouldn't have been lynched and I stay by that.
Did you still feel that way after his claim?
Four I was all to quick to go with the mass claim blog idea ok right other players did this too.
Yeah, no problem here.
Five lurkers need to be payed attention too. Every game that I have lost as town has been lost too mafia lurkers. Look at Ghost Town for a good example. So it was something new I was trying out and I still stand by this.
Did you attack anyone other than Zionite for lurking? You consistently pursued Zionite, Guardman, and Cyan. That's it.
Six I believe that there are two Indian delegates. I am sorry that it was Joboman's posting who made me think of this. But when I saw him post that it sparked an idea in my mind.
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Seven I never said we should believe the scum. But obv. if there is an sk we need to work with them to kill the SK, because killing the SK is in everyones best interests.
This doesn't make sense. If scum want to kill the SK, that means that the SK is better for us alive than dead. If they don't want to kill the SK that means that the SK is better dead than alive. The scum's interests are opposed to our own.
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Joboman flipping scum makes Cyouni look really, really good right now. Syrenz also gets some points for his interactions here. DV looks a lot worse coming out of it.
I still want to know why exactly Charm Master is lying to us.
I'm pretty sure that Cyan is the SK now, given his silencing of Joboman and the fact that it looks like his kill is independant of his posting. He's unlynchable today whatever the case, but I'm not sure how long I want him around. So far he's shown a willingness to catch scum and has been an asset but I'm wary of falling into the "Bilbroxain"-trap.
I looked over RobRoy's posts but didn't see anything particularly interesting there.
No the time stamps prove EVERYTHING. You can't argue with this. It's not unfair. You screwed up. Live with it.
OBJECTION!
Your Honor, the jury, we have all already established how the timestamps work. Xyre requests we notify him. This is a waste of the courts time!
One Cyan is just trying to get me lynched really I just feel like it is his vendetta against me.
HOLD IT!
Cyan is merely doing his job. Even if he is the SK, he has an obligation to make everyone think otherwise. That means picking the most scummy target: You!
Two I found Fox to be a weak player because I have played with Fox before. I have no clue who he is.
OBJECTION!
This is a direct contradiction! How could DV both have played with Fox before AND know who he is!? Fox's gimmick was created specifically for this game! DV couldn't know if he had played with Fox before or not!
Four I was all to quick to go with the mass claim blog idea ok right other players did this too.
Terrorist kill dozens of people every day. Is it ok for you to kill people because terrorists "did this too"? It doesn't absolve you of guilt just because other people were involved. This actually makes you seem worse because you're trying to push blame off yourself.
Five lurkers need to be payed attention too. Every game that I have lost as town has been lost too mafia lurkers. Look at Ghost Town for a good example. So it was something new I was trying out and I still stand by this.
AGAIN! Deflection. The lurkers are clearly not the problem this game, since we've had many scum die who were not lurking at all! Your logic is faulty!
Six I believe that there are two Indian delegates. I am sorry that it was Joboman's posting who made me think of this. But when I saw him post that it sparked an idea in my mind.
How does this prove anything? How does this make you innocent?
Seven I never said we should believe the scum. But obv. if there is an sk we need to work with them to kill the SK, because killing the SK is in everyones best interests.
Is it? The 'SK' has proven, twice, that he intends to eradicate the mafia. I, along with other people, have already expressed that its best to work with Cyan. You're proposing we work with the mafia instead! Why would us, as townies, join you in working with the Anti-WTO!?
There's a big issue here. You told joboman to post on the blog as a scum representative. What point does that have unless you want to listen to what he has to say?
Of course I want to listen, but I am saying we should take everything said by them with a grain of salt.
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lol what's with this vendetta you think Cyan has against you? I think you mention it in like every game
I don't know why it exists but....
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loran16: DV is in the game.
Shalafi79: Wait, what? Didn't think i saw his name.
loran16: It's there.
Shalafi79: *profanity*
This was posted right when this game started. The "profanity" was Cyan going GAAAAYYYY. Shalafi79 is Cyan's IM.
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Why do you think this and what impact would having two Indian delegates have on us if there were two of them here?
No clue. At first I thought Ged was making a joke at his own expense. But obv. the other Indian delegate is bad for either him or the town. With me not trusting Cyan(because Cyan said he was a cult leader), but not being able to rule it out I am just leaving it at that. Also, I would like to point out that Cyan said that this ruled out the possibility of an SK. He tried to eradicate the idea out of our head as fast as possible.
I would like to put this out.
I have a plan to catch Cyan.
Since Cyan is convinced I am scum he should go along with this. I have a way of independently telling my role to another player(players as of tomorrow). I would like the town to not lynch me today and have Cyan shoot me tomorrow. Then Cyan can tell everyone what my role is and these other players can confirm/deny his statement. I would also like to say that I one of these players(I will leave them nameless for the time being has already been picked). But the town can direct what other player they want me to be able to tell and I will make sure that that happens. Also since this is item based I don't think I can be RB'd. And if there really is an SK the mafia shouldn't kill who ever I will give this item too since it will be in there best interests.
This is a direct contradiction! How could DV both have played with Fox before AND know who he is!? Fox's gimmick was created specifically for this game! DV couldn't know if he had played with Fox before or not!
Wrong he played Joss Whendon.
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AGAIN! Deflection. The lurkers are clearly not the problem this game, since we've had many scum die who were not lurking at all! Your logic is faulty!
No not really, it is my belief and I stand by it.
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How does this prove anything? How does this make you innocent?
It doesn't. I just felt that my ideas needed to be shared, and it was an attack on me.
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Is it? The 'SK' has proven, twice, that he intends to eradicate the mafia. I, along with other people, have already expressed that its best to work with Cyan. You're proposing we work with the mafia instead! Why would us, as townies, join you in working with the Anti-WTO!?
We know there is an SK. The SK is a danger to both sides. Therefor working together is in our best interests.
Do you now? You haven't caught that many scum this game. In fact, I'm sure Cyan has caught more than you have. Besides, your plan neither catches Cyan nor truly confirms your alignment, just your role!
I'll tell you what DV, I'll make you a deal. If you accept, you'll have my full support on 'catching Cyan' as it were. This means your position will dramatically change from where you are right now. You have to answer a question in a complete sentence for me. Now.
Do you now? You haven't caught that many scum this game. In fact, I'm sure Cyan has caught more than you have. Besides, your plan neither catches Cyan nor truly confirms your alignment, just your role!
He claims to be Alexandra Weston, an American actress and a member of the "Green Nation Movement." He started the game with 3 cell phones. He can give these to players (he needs to keep one of them) and players who have them can communicate at any time.
He told me he needs another Green Nation players to be alive at the end of the game (besides himself) and that he needs to kill the scum. He thinks there is a neutral Green Nation player who he can recruit using the cell phones. He told me he would then perform some ELF (Earth Liberation Front) or ALF (Animal Liberation Front) acts with that recruited player.
When I asked him what those meant, he told me about the acronyms, described the two groups as almost terrorist, and then later informed me that none of that was in his PM, but he thought that was the logical conclusion of his mission.
He says his backstory is entirely about his character firing someone from their job because they weren't being environmentally aware. When I questioned him about whether or not it was important that Fox came up as a terrorist, and he described the nature of his group as "terrorist", he reiterated that all the ALF/ELF stuff was just a theory of his. When I asked him why he was pro-WTO despite the fact that most Green movements are overwhelmingly against the WTO, and in fact, protest against it on a regular basis, he told me that working with the WTO would help him become more green. When I asked him how he knew he was working with the WTO if his entire backstory was about firing an employee, he said he didn't know but he believed it was so, and that he needed the government's support.
The issues I have with this entire exchange are:
1. I don't see how his character being an actress has anything to do with anything else he told me. Other details of his role do not make sense either.
2. He seems to have "theorized" a lot of things that apparently have no actual support in his role PM. This fits with D_V's scum meta of making random things up.
3. All the scum, including Ged, have been members of renegade groups. Fox was a French terrorist, Ged was part of a hardline anti-Pakistan Indian group, and joboman was part of a Northern Irish syndicate, presumably a sort of IRA analogue. I think D_V is part of a militant ecoterrorist group, who would have every reason to be scum in this game and no reason to be pro-WTO or pro-government.
4. He has claimed no abilities other than having a cell phone and an additional wincon. This is very, very similar to Guardman's claim to be able to make neighbors (as D_V has done with me by giving me the phone) and have no other abilities besides an additional wincon - but he attacked Guardman from the get-go.
Given everything that went down, I asked for an update from the mods.
Cyan is indeed the serial killer. Sadly I'm gonna need to stay alive until tomorrow to lynch him (although I half expect cyan or another scum to screw me out of my win con.)
Also, I have to say I'm slightly surprised that the game is still going. I'm not sure exactly what goes down, but if something like tha happened in a game I ran, I'd highly consider stopping the game as a ND.
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ND as in a no decision, as in so much crap has hit the fan that jeopardizes the game state, that the game is ended with no faction winning.
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That's ridiculous, there is no way you could say the town didn't just win. Obviously its not over yet, but I don't think that you could say there is no winner this game, because there clearly is.
Given everything that went down, I asked for an update from the mods.
Cyan is indeed the serial killer. Sadly I'm gonna need to stay alive until tomorrow to lynch him (although I half expect cyan or another scum to screw me out of my win con.)
Also, I have to say I'm slightly surprised that the game is still going. I'm not sure exactly what goes down, but if something like tha happened in a game I ran, I'd highly consider stopping the game as a ND.
That's how you decided to play it, eh.
CM is lying. There is no way that the mods weren't sure what to tell him, given the question that he proposed. And they certainly didn't 'come back later' and confirm to him that I'm the SK.
I know that you guys are going to lynch me tomorrow. In your position, I would do the same. It will suck for the town to lose it's Vig, but you're far enough ahead that it probably won't matter(I say probably because I've seen some ridiculously bad town play lately...such as LOTR Mafia).
When I die and CM's lie is revealed, lynch him. Don't accept any bull☺☺☺☺ answers about how his win condition 'got changed'. I suspect he'll try to run this tomorrow before I get lynched, actually. Don't let him give you some nonsense about how he was just 'gambitting to get a reaction and caught me as the SK'.
CM made up a lie about needing to find the SK, and he could have just come clean. It probably wouldn't have worked out for him, but it might have, and it still would have been the right thing to do. Now, he's just feeding on the fervor of the town and 'decided' that I'm the SK and he can take the risk. But tomorrow, this lie will be revealed.
Most likely, CM is mafia, and has largely given up on the game(this is evidenced by the fact that he said the Mods should call the game for some apparently unknown reason). He knows that he is going down, and figures that it is best for him to take the Vig with him(especially considering that I am 4 out of 4 on scum kills/leading lynches against scum this game).
Actually, I suppose we can discuss this tomorrow, but it can be proven that CM is a liar. I took the RFID Reader from joboman when I killed him. I will pass this to CM tonight. He will get it at the start of day tomorrow. I will daykill him, and everyone will see his role. Everyone will know that he is a liar, and all of this nonsense SK speculation can go die in a fire.
@DV: Stop lying, Ged was exactly what I said. There is literally zero reason for me to have made that up at that juncture. And nobody bussed you. I'm pretty sure that everyone that voted you before you gave up is town. Syrenz and Cyouni as obviously town as it gets, for example. I would be surprised if Zionite or Zindabad is scum.
FYI there are two other mafia. When these two are lynched and you aren't wining lynch Cyan. Or have Zionite use his truth serum on Cyan with that exact question.
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Good luck to the town. You deserve to win. CM might be lying, but please believe me when I say Cyan is the SK. I could post Cyan's whole role pm here, but I would be blacklisted(I am tempted).
@DV: Stop lying, Ged was exactly what I said. There is literally zero reason for me to have made that up at that juncture. And nobody bussed you. I'm pretty sure that everyone that voted you before you gave up is town. Syrenz and Cyouni as obviously town as it gets, for example. I would be surprised if Zionite or Zindabad is scum.
Ged was the neutral. Your entire premise was that since Ged was the Cult leader their could not be an SK.
DV has voted for himself, triggering the suicide rule. It is now twilight.
EDIT: And since I didn't think about it when I wrote the rules, the killer-item-theft rule has been updated so that in the event of a lynch-suicide, the last player to vote for the lynch other than the lynch himself will be considered the killer for item-receipt.
I dunno why the scum are disintegrating in an attempt to get Cyan even if he IS the SK. And I'm happy to let him shoot CM first, something is fishy there.
Two scum falling over is hardly a reason to stop the game, should Axel have stopped LOTR after the first two scum died?
FYI there are two other mafia. When these two are lynched and you aren't wining lynch Cyan. Or have Zionite use his truth serum on Cyan with that exact question.
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Good luck to the town. You deserve to win. CM might be lying, but please believe me when I say Cyan is the SK. I could post Cyan's whole role pm here, but I would be blacklisted(I am tempted).
Deaths_Vampire, I will be petitioning the Council for repercussions for you following this game as a result of the statements in this post and the subsequent.
Lol, you certainly gave up that 'Ged was a neutral survivor' lie in a hurry, eh. Nice try though.
You lied about that, and you're lying about me being the SK. If I was the SK and the scumteam knew it, clearly joboman would have either A)posted exactly that in the game thread or B)said nothing at all. The only way that he takes the actions that he did is if he knows that I am NOT the SK, and there is no other way to get the town to mislynch it's Vig.
There is no SK in this game. SK + Cult is a bad setup that Xyre himself is on record as saying he wouldn't use(unless the Cult still somehow had the town WC, which is simply not the case in this game).
And your argument that I made up the bit about Ged being the CL to make myself look 'less SK like' is ridiculous anyway. CM didn't come forward until well after I had already revealed Ged's role. What, was I sowing the seeds of confusion just in case some ridiculously arbitrary 'gotta kill the SK!' role happened for the first time ever? Please just stop.
I'm too pissed off right now to write flavor, so I'm just going to give out the result of the lynch and move straight to night. Look back here for flavor in the next day or so after I've cooled off.
Players
1. AlphaInsidious
2. Calvin
3. Charm_Master3125
4. Cyan
5. Cyouni
6. Dancing Mad (r. loran16)
7. Ecophagy
8. Guardman
9. Jobie
10. mystery meat of doom
11. Niv (r. kpaca)
12. Pale Mage
13. Penguin of Death
14. RafaelK
15. shibui
16. Syrenz
17. Zionite
18. zindabad
Dead
1. Nom Anor - Identity unknown (Pro-WTO) - Shot with a sawed-off shotgun Day 1
2. Ged - Talin Bhav Vijay Kilari, Indian Leader of the New India Alliance (Neutral) - Neck snapped Day 1
3. Foxlnbpkqgz Æenioouoa - Jean-Baptiste d'Avignon, French Terrorist (Anti-WTO) - Put down (lynched) Day 1
4. desCoures - Miles Johnson, Australian Special Ambassador to the World Trade Organization (Pro-WTO) - Pipe bombed Night 1
5. joboman (r. RobRoy) - Dr. Raymond "Sigma" McNulty, Northern Irish Member of the Board of Directors of the Associated Press (Anti-WTO) - Neck snapped Day 2
6. Deaths_Vampire - Alexandra Weston, American Actress/Member of the Green Nation Movement (Anti-WTO) - Lynched Day 2
Oh, and right now it's not an impossibility that the game cannot be completed fairly and I'll terminate it immediately. This is to be determined, and part of the reason why we may need an extension on tonight if the game does continue.
What the deuce!? You guys couldn't wait 10 seconds before lynching so I could get another investigation vote down?
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Lies! -I'm Buffy Summers, town tracker. I used my ability on you and saw that you didn't use any abilities before the game started. My flavor is I was sucked through a mysterious space-time portal and I'm here to kill all the vampires, and my tracking ability is a combination of my Slayer and Native American skills.
Uh...Cool? I feel sorta useless, having had pretty much nothing to do with any of the dead scum (in fact, if I had been checking the thread every five seconds, there's a possibility I might have stopped Cyan's daykill, which would've been sort of...not good. Not real sure what I would've done though).
Reading the last two pages, only thing that immediately jumps out at me (that hasn't already been made obvious) is that Zionite is pretty much 100% confirmed for realz now. I doubt D_V would've decided to claim neutral if Zionite was his scum-buddy.
If the game doesn't end though it seems to be pretty much in the bag.
What the deuce!? You guys couldn't wait 10 seconds before lynching so I could get another investigation vote down?
D_V suicided -- had nothing to do with the town.
In other news, Cyan and D_V don't mix. They release toxic fumes.
Second, joboman's got an extremely easy scum meta.
Third, I'm thinking that I'd support a lynch on DV, given how he supported just about every word out of joboman's mouth. "Oh, joboman says that the cult leader and the Indian delegate are different, therefore there must be two Indians." "Oh, joboman says Cyan's the SK, therefore he is." "Oh, let's get help from the scum to take out the SK. And we should obviously believe the scum because joboman's with them." Vote Deaths_Vampire.
I'm fine with a DV lynch.
Vote Death's Vampire
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You know what, why not? Lets see where this goes.
vote DV as well.
(votes were reset as I recall, so my previous vote should be cleared)
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Or I think that there isn't much to analyze about what just happened until Cyan is no longer unlynchable and we figure out what the hell is going on with CM's answer.
Though if somebody presents an especially damning case against someone else I am more than willing to lynch that person instead of Jobie. But until that time my vote stands.
No the time stamps prove EVERYTHING. You can't argue with this. It's not unfair. You screwed up. Live with it.
To address all of the votes on me.
One Cyan is just trying to get me lynched really I just feel like it is his vendetta against me.
Two I found Fox to be a weak player because I have played with Fox before. I have no clue who he is.
Three I felt that Fox shouldn't have been lynched and I stay by that.
Four I was all to quick to go with the mass claim blog idea ok right other players did this too.
Five lurkers need to be payed attention too. Every game that I have lost as town has been lost too mafia lurkers. Look at Ghost Town for a good example. So it was something new I was trying out and I still stand by this.
Six I believe that there are two Indian delegates. I am sorry that it was Joboman's posting who made me think of this. But when I saw him post that it sparked an idea in my mind.
Seven I never said we should believe the scum. But obv. if there is an sk we need to work with them to kill the SK, because killing the SK is in everyones best interests.
lol what's with this vendetta you think Cyan has against you? I think you mention it in like every game
Why do you think this and what impact would having two Indian delegates have on us if there were two of them here?
With the current record of kills made by Cyan this game, I'd say scum would rather kill him more than town does.
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There's a big issue here. You told joboman to post on the blog as a scum representative. What point does that have unless you want to listen to what he has to say?
Yeah it looks like that's how things went down. Looking back at the posts then, loran had plenty of time to submit his block before Nom sent in his kill. However the thing that is troublesome is what someone brought up before but is now a bigger point imo: loran baiting Nom into shooting him doesn't make sense from a town perspective. We know now that his action wasn't passive which means that he baited someone he was treating as a town daykiller to shoot him AND used up his own roleblock to prevent the kill from happening. This just doesn't fit.
I really hope that this is not the premise that you are basing everything else off of.
I can see how this bothers you but I just didn't have very solid opinions on Ecophagy and Fox. They were both wagons that sprung up from a deadline. With Ecophagy everyone suddenly dropped the wagon as soon as he claimed which was confusing. Fox's wagon was based off one post that was very bad. I'd say that people who were convinced that he was scum from that post were deluding themselves.
As for Zionite - his role says that he is more likely town than not, but his extreme lurky behaviour and attitude to anyone that comments on it has been bothering me the whole game; hence why I am hesitant to clear him solely based on his role.
That's a good point. I'd forgotten about that.
Or not I guess.
This is extremely shady.
This point was brought up before. It's possible but still not how I read the events as unfolding.
Yup.
CM, mind explaining?
I think it's more like: "Trust and rely on these hands, they're the best possible."
Cyan shutting up Joboman before he could say anything else worries me a lot. Yes, Jobo was scum but he seemed to genuinely be hunting the SK and found him in Cyan.
This is a very good point.
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking right now.
I find it extremely doubtful that he would go and post 'action scene coming' before your action was submitted if you actually need to post it in thread. It would be misleading and undfair.
Hmm. That's true. But it's just as unfair to do what you claim he did. And actually, outing you as the killer, when you posted Daykill Jobo in the game is not that unfair - it's your kill and you were claiming it.
I still think you don't need to post anything and you're the SK.
Some of these points are good. Along with this:
DV really seems to have been moving in tandem with Jobman.
Unvote Vote Death's Vampire
Yeah, that's a much cleaner translation than mine.
What about DV?
Trying to frame the wagon on you as driven by vendetta doesn't make you look any better.
OK.
Did you still feel that way after his claim?
Yeah, no problem here.
Did you attack anyone other than Zionite for lurking? You consistently pursued Zionite, Guardman, and Cyan. That's it.
This doesn't make sense. If scum want to kill the SK, that means that the SK is better for us alive than dead. If they don't want to kill the SK that means that the SK is better dead than alive. The scum's interests are opposed to our own.
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Joboman flipping scum makes Cyouni look really, really good right now. Syrenz also gets some points for his interactions here. DV looks a lot worse coming out of it.
I still want to know why exactly Charm Master is lying to us.
I'm pretty sure that Cyan is the SK now, given his silencing of Joboman and the fact that it looks like his kill is independant of his posting. He's unlynchable today whatever the case, but I'm not sure how long I want him around. So far he's shown a willingness to catch scum and has been an asset but I'm wary of falling into the "Bilbroxain"-trap.
I looked over RobRoy's posts but didn't see anything particularly interesting there.
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OBJECTION!
Your Honor, the jury, we have all already established how the timestamps work. Xyre requests we notify him. This is a waste of the courts time!
HOLD IT!
Cyan is merely doing his job. Even if he is the SK, he has an obligation to make everyone think otherwise. That means picking the most scummy target: You!
OBJECTION!
This is a direct contradiction! How could DV both have played with Fox before AND know who he is!? Fox's gimmick was created specifically for this game! DV couldn't know if he had played with Fox before or not!
*nod*
Terrorist kill dozens of people every day. Is it ok for you to kill people because terrorists "did this too"? It doesn't absolve you of guilt just because other people were involved. This actually makes you seem worse because you're trying to push blame off yourself.
AGAIN! Deflection. The lurkers are clearly not the problem this game, since we've had many scum die who were not lurking at all! Your logic is faulty!
How does this prove anything? How does this make you innocent?
Is it? The 'SK' has proven, twice, that he intends to eradicate the mafia. I, along with other people, have already expressed that its best to work with Cyan. You're proposing we work with the mafia instead! Why would us, as townies, join you in working with the Anti-WTO!?
Of course I want to listen, but I am saying we should take everything said by them with a grain of salt.
I don't know why it exists but....
This was posted right when this game started. The "profanity" was Cyan going GAAAAYYYY. Shalafi79 is Cyan's IM.
No clue. At first I thought Ged was making a joke at his own expense. But obv. the other Indian delegate is bad for either him or the town. With me not trusting Cyan(because Cyan said he was a cult leader), but not being able to rule it out I am just leaving it at that. Also, I would like to point out that Cyan said that this ruled out the possibility of an SK. He tried to eradicate the idea out of our head as fast as possible.
I would like to put this out.
I have a plan to catch Cyan.
Since Cyan is convinced I am scum he should go along with this. I have a way of independently telling my role to another player(players as of tomorrow). I would like the town to not lynch me today and have Cyan shoot me tomorrow. Then Cyan can tell everyone what my role is and these other players can confirm/deny his statement. I would also like to say that I one of these players(I will leave them nameless for the time being has already been picked). But the town can direct what other player they want me to be able to tell and I will make sure that that happens. Also since this is item based I don't think I can be RB'd. And if there really is an SK the mafia shouldn't kill who ever I will give this item too since it will be in there best interests.
Wrong he played Joss Whendon.
No not really, it is my belief and I stand by it.
It doesn't. I just felt that my ideas needed to be shared, and it was an attack on me.
We know there is an SK. The SK is a danger to both sides. Therefor working together is in our best interests.
Do you now? You haven't caught that many scum this game. In fact, I'm sure Cyan has caught more than you have. Besides, your plan neither catches Cyan nor truly confirms your alignment, just your role!
I'll tell you what DV, I'll make you a deal. If you accept, you'll have my full support on 'catching Cyan' as it were. This means your position will dramatically change from where you are right now. You have to answer a question in a complete sentence for me. Now.
@DV: Are you Pro-WTO?
Yes.... But I will be dead so why does it matter?
No, I am not Pro-WTO.
Neutral caught.
You can claim now.
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He claims to be Alexandra Weston, an American actress and a member of the "Green Nation Movement." He started the game with 3 cell phones. He can give these to players (he needs to keep one of them) and players who have them can communicate at any time.
He told me he needs another Green Nation players to be alive at the end of the game (besides himself) and that he needs to kill the scum. He thinks there is a neutral Green Nation player who he can recruit using the cell phones. He told me he would then perform some ELF (Earth Liberation Front) or ALF (Animal Liberation Front) acts with that recruited player.
When I asked him what those meant, he told me about the acronyms, described the two groups as almost terrorist, and then later informed me that none of that was in his PM, but he thought that was the logical conclusion of his mission.
He says his backstory is entirely about his character firing someone from their job because they weren't being environmentally aware. When I questioned him about whether or not it was important that Fox came up as a terrorist, and he described the nature of his group as "terrorist", he reiterated that all the ALF/ELF stuff was just a theory of his. When I asked him why he was pro-WTO despite the fact that most Green movements are overwhelmingly against the WTO, and in fact, protest against it on a regular basis, he told me that working with the WTO would help him become more green. When I asked him how he knew he was working with the WTO if his entire backstory was about firing an employee, he said he didn't know but he believed it was so, and that he needed the government's support.
The issues I have with this entire exchange are:
1. I don't see how his character being an actress has anything to do with anything else he told me. Other details of his role do not make sense either.
2. He seems to have "theorized" a lot of things that apparently have no actual support in his role PM. This fits with D_V's scum meta of making random things up.
3. All the scum, including Ged, have been members of renegade groups. Fox was a French terrorist, Ged was part of a hardline anti-Pakistan Indian group, and joboman was part of a Northern Irish syndicate, presumably a sort of IRA analogue. I think D_V is part of a militant ecoterrorist group, who would have every reason to be scum in this game and no reason to be pro-WTO or pro-government.
4. He has claimed no abilities other than having a cell phone and an additional wincon. This is very, very similar to Guardman's claim to be able to make neighbors (as D_V has done with me by giving me the phone) and have no other abilities besides an additional wincon - but he attacked Guardman from the get-go.
vote D_V.
"...a talisman against all evil, so long as you obey me."
No you are right Zionite I am not town. Damn I am not even Neutral.
I am Anti-WTO.
You can check this out.
Trust me we scum buddies got the role pm. And Cyan is the sk.
Here is Cyan's kill method.
It's called Liquidation
He sends the kill in it is not a post able kill.
He gets their role pm at the end of the day.
He also is unkillable.
And he has a Malfunctioning PDA which can't post but he receives everything from the message board.
He wants us to know that Cyan is the SK and he refuses to watch him win this game. He says he has seen Cyan's role PM and he is undoubtedly the SK.
"...a talisman against all evil, so long as you obey me."
Ask Cyan
Is your win con "Eliminate all other players".
Make him say
"My win condition is not to Eliminate all other players."
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Millionaires, I hear it's good Music (Disclaimer: lyrics not PG-13) Thanks, CC
DV
Millionaires, I hear it's good Music (Disclaimer: lyrics not PG-13) Thanks, CC
I may just do that DV. This truth serum will come in handy if i need to use it against Cyan, because he's admittedly a tricksy guy.
But I have to get rid of scum first. That's what the town wants.
Say what you have to say DV, but make it quick. The natives are restless.
Cyan is indeed the serial killer. Sadly I'm gonna need to stay alive until tomorrow to lynch him (although I half expect cyan or another scum to screw me out of my win con.)
Also, I have to say I'm slightly surprised that the game is still going. I'm not sure exactly what goes down, but if something like tha happened in a game I ran, I'd highly consider stopping the game as a ND.
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I hope that doesn't happen, CM.
Damn, if only I were this good in other games.
"...a talisman against all evil, so long as you obey me."
Ged was a neutral survivor.
I was going to say more. But I realized that since my scum buddies bussed me so hard I have nothing else to say.
Who ever lynches me gets my cellphones(I think you get both).
Agreed. Still...productive day, eh?
Apologies to Charm, but we lynch mafia first.
Vote: D_V
That's how you decided to play it, eh.
CM is lying. There is no way that the mods weren't sure what to tell him, given the question that he proposed. And they certainly didn't 'come back later' and confirm to him that I'm the SK.
I know that you guys are going to lynch me tomorrow. In your position, I would do the same. It will suck for the town to lose it's Vig, but you're far enough ahead that it probably won't matter(I say probably because I've seen some ridiculously bad town play lately...such as LOTR Mafia).
When I die and CM's lie is revealed, lynch him. Don't accept any bull☺☺☺☺ answers about how his win condition 'got changed'. I suspect he'll try to run this tomorrow before I get lynched, actually. Don't let him give you some nonsense about how he was just 'gambitting to get a reaction and caught me as the SK'.
CM made up a lie about needing to find the SK, and he could have just come clean. It probably wouldn't have worked out for him, but it might have, and it still would have been the right thing to do. Now, he's just feeding on the fervor of the town and 'decided' that I'm the SK and he can take the risk. But tomorrow, this lie will be revealed.
Most likely, CM is mafia, and has largely given up on the game(this is evidenced by the fact that he said the Mods should call the game for some apparently unknown reason). He knows that he is going down, and figures that it is best for him to take the Vig with him(especially considering that I am 4 out of 4 on scum kills/leading lynches against scum this game).
Actually, I suppose we can discuss this tomorrow, but it can be proven that CM is a liar. I took the RFID Reader from joboman when I killed him. I will pass this to CM tonight. He will get it at the start of day tomorrow. I will daykill him, and everyone will see his role. Everyone will know that he is a liar, and all of this nonsense SK speculation can go die in a fire.
@DV: Stop lying, Ged was exactly what I said. There is literally zero reason for me to have made that up at that juncture. And nobody bussed you. I'm pretty sure that everyone that voted you before you gave up is town. Syrenz and Cyouni as obviously town as it gets, for example. I would be surprised if Zionite or Zindabad is scum.
Anyway. Vote Deaths_Vampire
FYI there are two other mafia. When these two are lynched and you aren't wining lynch Cyan. Or have Zionite use his truth serum on Cyan with that exact question.
Unvote Vote DV
Good luck to the town. You deserve to win. CM might be lying, but please believe me when I say Cyan is the SK. I could post Cyan's whole role pm here, but I would be blacklisted(I am tempted).
Ged was the neutral. Your entire premise was that since Ged was the Cult leader their could not be an SK.
Correct, no one voting for me is scum.
EDIT: And since I didn't think about it when I wrote the rules, the killer-item-theft rule has been updated so that in the event of a lynch-suicide, the last player to vote for the lynch other than the lynch himself will be considered the killer for item-receipt.
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I dunno why the scum are disintegrating in an attempt to get Cyan even if he IS the SK. And I'm happy to let him shoot CM first, something is fishy there.
Two scum falling over is hardly a reason to stop the game, should Axel have stopped LOTR after the first two scum died?
Deaths_Vampire, I will be petitioning the Council for repercussions for you following this game as a result of the statements in this post and the subsequent.
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You lied about that, and you're lying about me being the SK. If I was the SK and the scumteam knew it, clearly joboman would have either A)posted exactly that in the game thread or B)said nothing at all. The only way that he takes the actions that he did is if he knows that I am NOT the SK, and there is no other way to get the town to mislynch it's Vig.
There is no SK in this game. SK + Cult is a bad setup that Xyre himself is on record as saying he wouldn't use(unless the Cult still somehow had the town WC, which is simply not the case in this game).
And your argument that I made up the bit about Ged being the CL to make myself look 'less SK like' is ridiculous anyway. CM didn't come forward until well after I had already revealed Ged's role. What, was I sowing the seeds of confusion just in case some ridiculously arbitrary 'gotta kill the SK!' role happened for the first time ever? Please just stop.
(10 to lynch)
Jobie - 1 (Guardman)
Deaths_Vampire - 9 (Cyouni, Syrenz, Zionite, Calvin, zindabad, Niv, shibui, Pale Mage, Cyan)
Well, turns out he didn't suicide after all.
I'm too pissed off right now to write flavor, so I'm just going to give out the result of the lynch and move straight to night. Look back here for flavor in the next day or so after I've cooled off.
Players
1. AlphaInsidious
2. Calvin
3. Charm_Master3125
4. Cyan
5. Cyouni
6. Dancing Mad (r. loran16)
7. Ecophagy
8. Guardman
9. Jobie
10. mystery meat of doom
11. Niv (r. kpaca)
12. Pale Mage
13. Penguin of Death
14. RafaelK
15. shibui
16. Syrenz
17. Zionite
18. zindabad
Dead
1. Nom Anor - Identity unknown (Pro-WTO) - Shot with a sawed-off shotgun Day 1
2. Ged - Talin Bhav Vijay Kilari, Indian Leader of the New India Alliance (Neutral) - Neck snapped Day 1
3. Foxlnbpkqgz Æenioouoa - Jean-Baptiste d'Avignon, French Terrorist (Anti-WTO) - Put down (lynched) Day 1
4. desCoures - Miles Johnson, Australian Special Ambassador to the World Trade Organization (Pro-WTO) - Pipe bombed Night 1
5. joboman (r. RobRoy) - Dr. Raymond "Sigma" McNulty, Northern Irish Member of the Board of Directors of the Associated Press (Anti-WTO) - Neck snapped Day 2
6. Deaths_Vampire - Alexandra Weston, American Actress/Member of the Green Nation Movement (Anti-WTO) - Lynched Day 2
Discard Pile
Sawed-Off Shotgun
Syringe of Sodium Thiopental
Oleoresin Capsicum Spray
PDA
Cell Phone
Cell Phone
Cyan will take one of those Cell Phones automatically.
Night is deadlined for Thursday Apr. 1, though I wouldn't be surprised if there's an extension of a day or so on that.
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Reading the last two pages, only thing that immediately jumps out at me (that hasn't already been made obvious) is that Zionite is pretty much 100% confirmed for realz now. I doubt D_V would've decided to claim neutral if Zionite was his scum-buddy.
If the game doesn't end though it seems to be pretty much in the bag.
D_V suicided -- had nothing to do with the town.
In other news, Cyan and D_V don't mix. They release toxic fumes.