Heh, cool. I do try to learn, as it's quite enjoyable. Well, now I can sleep, so goodnight. I'm guessing that I'll be judged for this no matter what, so go ahead.
You guys are spamming up the thread and its not very easy to read. Its going to be hell reading back on people when i have 24 pages, 90% of which is posts like
"COME ON"
* new post
"COME ON"
* new post
"COME ON"
and small talk between two players going on for multiple pages. I'd ask that when you post, you mainly stick to content, and that you try to put as much information into a single post as possible, rather than spreading it out. I'm not trying to be mean or anything, but it does look like its going to be extremely bothersome in the future.
Shalako seems scummier as time goes on. I would be willing to bet a lot that either Shalako or bebo is scum, although when i find myself becoming overconfident i worry about how biased and how accurate my view are.
Shalako and Bebo have also flooded the thread, so its very hard to tell who anyone is but them. Seeing as exlight is in the middle of the spotlight, hes in pretty plain sight too, but other people have been perfectly able to hide behind, whether they wanted to or not, all the ridiculousness going on today, not to say that there hasn't been anything happening today, a lot of good and serious discussion went down.
Finally, i want to say that i'm not trying to personally attack anyone here, i'm purely speaking game-wise, i've got no qualms with anyone in this game, my objective is victory, and nothing else.
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"I started to lay down and then you haunted my dreams Rag.
Sorry for lurkish play. I've been gone most of the day. This is why I try to make posts that are more moderately sized, because I have don't have all the time in the world for Mafia. (I'm PST and I start school on the 1st.)
/barning Ragnarokio's post except with less feeling on the scum part. Twice if I can. However, Shalako asking about what the PR on post 330 reads somewhat scummy- no PRs have been revealed and we can't say for sure that the PR will follow the plan the players lay out and that just doesn't seem smart for town to have an exposed PR Day 1. He's also claimed not to be a PR and has effectively claimed vanilla. I also dislike the fact that Bebo and Shalako have effectively created two pages of spam (At default settings) but that's a personal hatred and not relevant to gameplay.
I'm game for putting Bebo to a cop target if we have one but not a vig shot and upon rereading, am still in favor of an ExLight lynch.
I waited for Manders long enough. She was on at 12:36 to day (MTGS time). She had an oppertunity to post, but I am guessing at this point, the rest of the nonvoters don't want to get their hands dirty, so I will do it. Sorry exlight, maybe next game, we can play a bit better.
You guys are spamming up the thread and its not very easy to read. Its going to be hell reading back on people when i have 24 pages, 90% of which is posts like
"COME ON"
* new post
"COME ON"
* new post
"COME ON"
and small talk between two players going on for multiple pages. I'd ask that when you post, you mainly stick to content, and that you try to put as much information into a single post as possible, rather than spreading it out. I'm not trying to be mean or anything, but it does look like its going to be extremely bothersome in the future.
/barn
Shalako seems scummier as time goes on. I would be willing to bet a lot that either Shalako or bebo is scum, although when i find myself becoming overconfident i worry about how biased and how accurate my view are.
Disagree about Shalako. I'm almost convinced that he had a Freudian slip on the PW post.
@Shalako: Do you touch type, or no?
Shalako and Bebo have also flooded the thread, so its very hard to tell who anyone is but them. Seeing as exlight is in the middle of the spotlight, hes in pretty plain sight too, but other people have been perfectly able to hide behind, whether they wanted to or not, all the ridiculousness going on today, not to say that there hasn't been anything happening today, a lot of good and serious discussion went down.
/barn
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If you're town and I'm mafia, you've already lost. You just don't know it yet.
FOR FUTURE REFERENCE: On Sundays and Thursdays, I do not work. On those days, I read the games on my phone (which I cannot post from, as I've mentioned before I'm sure), but will post if I feel it necessary. I THOUGHT this could wait until this morning, but apparently not.
atlseal-i honestly have no idea as to why he voted me cept for seeming my posts seem aggeressive and jumpy
He provided his reason, you just refuse to accept it for some reason. He voted you because you posted you changed your mind on the scumminess of someone and didn't unvote. It's a valid reason for voting someone.
Just a note, playstyle cases are bad. Players often play the same or at least similarly as town and as scum. People seem to find bebo not scummy because of his playstyle, and because of that are ignoring his actions, or at least thats the way i see it.
Even more boom! Random revive! (I do not vote for ExLight, so don't lynch him. Repeat, do not lynch him due to my fake vote which was retracted within the same post.)
Anyways, now that that's out of my system, I'm going to be for the night. See you tomorrow.
I don't think you realize how lucky we are AI didn't count that. Any other mod in any other game likely would have. Generally, once the lynch has been reached, it cannot be withdrawn.
I waited for Manders long enough. She was on at 12:36 to day (MTGS time). She had an oppertunity to post, but I am guessing at this point, the rest of the nonvoters don't want to get their hands dirty, so I will do it. Sorry exlight, maybe next game, we can play a bit better.
Vote Exlight
Mod, votecount please.
Why were you in such a hurry to lynch him? There was still plenty of discussion to be had.
AI: please give at least a couple hours twilight. I'm not done with these guys.
He provided his reason, you just refuse to accept it for some reason. He voted you because you posted you changed your mind on the scumminess of someone and didn't unvote. It's a valid reason for voting someone.
You pretty much answered your own question. That's what I was referring to.
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There must be a turning point somewhere, since you voted him initially and never got a chance to unvote. If you could even point out the general time frame in the thread where you got this gut feeling, it would be appreciated.
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If you're town and I'm mafia, you've already lost. You just don't know it yet.
Many of us had already considered he was the best lynch target thus far. I believe the consented opinion is that bebo should be copped/vigged.
FOR FUTURE REFERENCE: On Sundays and Thursdays, I do not work. On those days, I read the games on my phone (which I cannot post from, as I've mentioned before I'm sure), but will post if I feel it necessary. I THOUGHT this could wait until this morning, but apparently not.
For me, it was morning...
Why? Why would anyone want to hear someone's claim if they're having second thoughts about that person being scum?
Essentially, this^
Because if he claimed PR, I am willing to be many of us would drop our votes, or we could cross examine him to determine if he really was scum...
Well, I was going to tell you you need to claim flavor, too, but it's too late now.
He claimed over 36 hours ago, I don't think reminding him to claim flavor would have been relevant....
Why is it "cool" that it's possible for the vig to mis-shoot?
Good question.
Why were you in such a hurry to lynch him? There was still plenty of discussion to be had.
So you say, but honestly I am not sure. He has been at L-2 for quite some time, nobody from the original 5 votes has withdrawn, I am pretty sure exlight at this point in time is the best lynch target.
I can't believe they couldn't hold it in their ☺☺☺☺ing pants for 36 hours until I got back!
You guys don't realize how upset I am about this. It became obvious to me ExLight was town, and now that's ☺☺☺☺ed.
I hope for your sake, your right. Because if exlight comes up mafia, it can only say so much of your credibility.
Many of us had already considered he was the best lynch target thus far. I believe the consented opinion is that bebo should be copped/vigged.
Actually, I believe I could have changed some opinions on that, but whatever.
For me, it was morning...
Good for you.
The point is, you should never lay a hammer down before everyone has checked in from a claim.
Because if he claimed PR, I am willing to be many of us would drop our votes, or we could cross examine him to determine if he really was scum...
That doesn't answer my question. If people had changed their mind, as you seemed to be doing among others, then you should never push for said person to claim anyway.
He claimed over 36 hours ago, I don't think reminding him to claim flavor would have been relevant....
You're absolutely wrong on this. Flavor should always be claimed.
So you say, but honestly I am not sure. He has been at L-2 for quite some time, nobody from the original 5 votes has withdrawn, I am pretty sure exlight at this point in time is the best lynch target.
Well, we'll never know now since you just superceded any possible discussion with his lynch.
I hope for your sake, your right. Because if exlight comes up mafia, it can only say so much of your credibility.
And if I'm not? Are you going to push for my lynch tomorrow?
If so, good luck. And, you'd better pray I'm not right because if I am and he's town, you're the new #1 suspect.
I could care less about his logic.
Also: it is generally frowned upon to guide any possible PRs in their choice.
Basically, if the mafia thinks you will target me tomorrow, why would they waste a kill on me tonight?
Keep in mind, if I was scum, there is no way in hell I'd be the person to hammer. I thin atlseal was the one that said in this thread the the closer to the end a person is to voting to lynch, the more likely that person is scum, too lazy to find that post now....
Keep in mind, if I was scum, there is no way in hell I'd be the person to hammer. I thin atlseal was the one that said in this thread the the closer to the end a person is to voting to lynch, the more likely that person is scum, too lazy to find that post now....
WIFOM + what I said was in reference to the random voting stage, not meant ot be applied any further than that.
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If you're town and I'm mafia, you've already lost. You just don't know it yet.
Basically, if the mafia thinks you will target me tomorrow, why would they waste a kill on me tonight?
Keep in mind, if I was scum, there is no way in hell I'd be the person to hammer. I thin atlseal was the one that said in this thread the the closer to the end a person is to voting to lynch, the more likely that person is scum, too lazy to find that post now....
Ah, but you see. The fact that you brought this up as your reasoning means that you considered that information when making your choice. Granted, it doesn't guarantee your town or scum, but it makes your defense here obsolete.
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Good for you.
The point is, you should never lay a hammer down before everyone has checked in from a claim.
Even is people are purposefully not checking in?
That doesn't answer my question. If people had changed their mind, as you seemed to be doing among others, then you should never push for said person to claim anyway.
That seems like it would be the best way to do it. See what he claims, if he claims a role that's already taken, he can be sunk later, unless we still think he is the best choice...
And if I'm not? Are you going to push for my lynch tomorrow?
If so, good luck. And, you'd better pray I'm not right because if I am and he's town, you're the new #1 suspect.
Well clearly, that depends on how night plays out now doesn't it...
And if I am suspect #1 and he is town. We will be off to a very bad start...
Remind me to mention something about the checking in situation tomorrow. Don't know if I have enough time to go back and check the thread rules, come back, and post before AI get's his EOD post off.
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If you're town and I'm mafia, you've already lost. You just don't know it yet.
EBWODP: Ok, he just left the thread, which means no immediate worry about an EOD post. You shouldn't consider people not commenting on a topic until the required 72 hour time has passed in which they had a chance to comment on an event.
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Day One Final Vote Count ExLight (7): atlseal, Archmage Eternal, Escorien, Arcadic, Shalako, Gaius, The Ice King
22bebo (1): Ragnarokio
Not Voting (4): 22bebo, The_Muffin_Man, ExLight, MandersHex
After a tense, yet strangely light-hearted first round of discussion, the twelve cards began to circle around ExLight. atlseal and Archmage Eternal appeared in front and behind Exlight, and Escorien and Arcadic quickly followed suit on the left and right, blocking ExLight's escape. MandersHex and Shalako jumped into the circle and began to push ExLight around, demanding he identify himself and explain his jumpy actions.
"There's no need to rush things. I'm Elite Vanguard, Town Vanilla. Really...hey, what's thing in your ha-"
~ExLight
ExLight never got to finish his sentence, for Gaius had come up behind him and put ExLight in a stranglehold. Unable to breathe, ExLight squirmed while the mob around them cheered with a grim determination. The Ice King brandished a massive blunt weapon of some sort, then gleefully smashed ExLight's head in.
After this gruesome death, the eleven survivors pored over ExLight's belongings in an attempt to determine where his true loyalties lied. When they unsheathed his sword, what they found was a false blade, purely ornamental and with no killing power. Dismayed, they shuffled slowly back to their resting places, sure that no one was getting any sleep tonight.
ExLight has been lynched.
He was Elite Vanguard, Town Vanilla.
Night One will end no later than 12pm EST, Thursday, September 2nd. (Do not post during Night. Any players with the ability to communicate privately may do so until the next Day.)
Please submit Night actions early if possible. (This way, we can begin Day sooner.)
You awake to a scream. You quickly rush outside, the rays of dawn peeking out over the horizon, looking for the source of the noise. You soon notice that The_Muffin_Man's tent was ripped to shreds, but there is no body or blood in the area. Eventually, you find him outside of MandersHex's hut, his heart pierced by a blade of some sort. Following a quick burial, you reconvene for the Day to come, filled with the righteous fury that only murder can bring. For a few moments, you glare at each other, no one saying a word.
The_Muffin_Man has been killed. He was Palace Guard, Town Doctor.
It is now Day Two.
With 10 alive, it's 6 votes to lynch.
Seriously? 7 pages since last night. If this pace keeps up we'll break speed records.
Not keen on a Shalako wagon but am intrerested in the ExLight wagon. I can /barn the opinion is a decent wagon for now. I'll do a deeper read over the weekend if the thread doesn't explode to 30 pages by then.
- Fast moving thread
- Barns others about what's already out there
/barn in some areas used to mean that if you wanted *formerslave* dead, lets meet in my barn if you support killing that *formerslave*.
Vote Exlight I don't like his tone so far, and like others said, his last few posts have a bad feeling in them to me.
- Joke
- Barn
Seriously, go back and read those 5 posts again. There is no substance there. None. Zilch. Nada. Nothing. And yet he still ended up on the ExLight wagon.
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learn to read. I'm in one other game right now. It's still on day one. Since you did this it seems like you didn't read the thread at all. I know enough to know thats a scum move.
I'm still wary to place my vote because of my TMM vote blowback
all i see are 4 people contemplating a wagon on me because i missinterperted your posts and called you a faker because any noob should know omgus,would you like to tell me said points i should respond too?
EBWODP: Wow, I fail at seeing there are two extra pages.
The Shalako case was not at all what I was thinking, so to me at least it's interesting... Why is that considered such a big deal? I mean... I partially get it, I get the fact that he was jumping on a wagon, but within 20 posts it doesn't seem (to me) like that big of a deal...
Not sure what to think on ExLight. Definitely reading a lot of confusion, and right now I'm leaning to the scummy side. Need to reread...
Gaius doesn't state why he finds Exlight on the scummy side. Rereads before he places a Fos or Vote
Seriously? 7 pages since last night. If this pace keeps up we'll break speed records.
Not keen on a Shalako wagon but am intrerested in the ExLight wagon. I can /barn the opinion is a decent wagon for now. I'll do a deeper read over the weekend if the thread doesn't explode to 30 pages by then.
Arcadic /barns a ExLight Wagon doesn't state why. Also goes into reread mode.
At this point Exlight has 2 votes, 1 Fos, 2 /barns on wagon.
If you have true, scummy feelings on someone, don't be afraid to vote for them. Just be prepared to back it up.
Not everyone sends PMs to someone before the game starts to ask everything they'll need to know.
And, they may not have come across OMGUS in the other game. Cut him some slack on this.
Actually, the wagon built up like it did because you didn't unvote when you realized your mistake.
Why did you barn the wagon, but not vote? [/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT]
Edited for relevance. Manders questioning the /barning why ExLight didn't unvote when he relized his mistake.
I think attacking people on incompetence is a bad idea. Also, arguing about whether or not they knew what OMGUS meant will get nowhere, you won't be able to reasonably prove or deny it, and so the most that could happen is a post war that swamps and dilutes the thread and makes it harder for people to see the bigger picture.
What does /barn mean?
ExLight has read as a little too flinchy to me, like he cares about what others think about him too much. I'm mostly getting it from this post:
Theres nothing wrong with his attack on its own, but when combined with the general atmosphere i'm getting from him it seems to support him attacking for the sake of attacking, rather than genuinely believing and pursuing his case.
Rag finds ExLight suspicious, states reasons why, no vote or fos from him.
Btw, my opinion is that I side with Exlight for shalako's "confusion". This is my first ever game of mafia and I knew what both OMGUS and Fishing meant. I mean, even if I had never heard of mafia, its not hard to realize that OMG means oh my god. The us part may be confusing, but using context clues, not that hard to figure out.
FoS Shalako: Beware....
So...You didn't think that ExLight was scum at this point. Why did you change your mind?
I'm of the opinion that Shalako's play is out of some confusion and a little frustration as others like [COLOR=purple]Mandershex[/COLOR] have stated before me. (I put her name in purple to match the text color she uses aside from votes.)
As for Exlight, he has seemed to be pushing very aggressively on Shalako's case relating to the confusion, and it's giving me overall bad vibes, enough for me to..
Vote ExLight
Also, I'm going to have to second Ragnarokio's request for a definition of /barn; the best I can come up with is agreeing with someone else's statement without providing elaboration of your own. It's the only term I'm missing in my Common Mafia Terminology list.
Largely his confusion and deflecting, which you pointed out, but I also feel like his posts are made of a lot of fluff and not really very much substance.
Waiting on a response before a vote, but IMO this is the best wagon we have so far.
Gaius response to questions of why he thinks ExLight is Scum.
Alright exlight was on when I asked my question. He left with out answering it.
Vote Exlight
No more votes till we get vote count. This means you bebe
I vote ExLight, He left without answering why I should not vote him. I ask for a vote count and tell Bebo to not vote him. I did that because Bebo is was the one I thought most likely to random hammer at that point. Not Ice King.
Listen to bebo. He's riding on confusion and the masses, playing it silly and forcing himself into a mob-mentality. These are very scummy intentions. If he is town playing like this, than i don't think i'll ever be able to tell that he IS scum, and i'd like him dead. It seems dangerous to leave him alive at this point, and honoustly, past the noob behaviour, he DOES seem scummy to me. His intentions are definitely not anywhere near Pro-town, which either indicates that he doesn't care about playing the game right, or he isn't pro-town.
I think he'd make a better lynch today than ex. Over time Ex will reveal more about himself. He isn't a bad player, hes trying to play seriously, but he's still new. Odds are, if hes scum, he'll be lynched by the end of the game. If he isn't, then he still likely will be, although not definitely. Its hard for new players to disguise their alignment unless they are playing like new players, Ex is not.
Rag states that he would rather a Bebo wagon for random play, no way to tell what side he is on & how he indicates that he either doesn't care about playing the game right or isn't town. Do you still find this true?
If everyone is for the Ex vote then he should claim, i just wanted to make sure before he claimed, because in my opinion, not much comes from day 1 claims.
@atlseal: I think Bebo is scummier than Ex, all things considered, but aside from that, i was mostly trying to maximize the towns resources, on the forum where i played before this, that was something that was relatively important. I don't know what the odds are that we have a cop or a vig, but since they are pretty mainstream roles i'd say its likely, i should have thought that through. I don't see Bebo being of any help to us staying alive, mafia or town, where as i can see Ex being of help, whether mafia or town, which is why i was more tempted to kill Bebo than Ex (in addition to feeling that Bebo was scummier).
Forgive me if i do a few strange things, as i haven't adapted to this meta yet.
Explains why he would rather a Bebo wagon in detail.
*Whistles quietly* I'd personally go for Ex, no offense Ex. That does not mean I'm voting for, but it is merely self-preservation. And I will say that I'm sorry for not having so much content in my posts, but I'm new, so I'm kind of seeing what everyone else analyzes for, then semi-cross referencing with what I would normally do to try and get a picture. I'm listening and observing what everyone says, whilst having fun at the same time.
Bebo states that he would rather kill ExLight them himself, how ever when he had the chance to he Unvoted. I think that Bebo is becoming less random as time goes on and may prove to be an asset to the town.
@Ragnarokio: I mean, I'd rather people vote for Ex here than me. I'm not voting for him, not yet at least, but if it's between the two of us, I'd prefer him.
Name claim, no flavor. No one questioned if he was lying about it or not and no one stepped up and said they were Elite Vanguard. So it was thought to be true. Manders never read this, she was gone from before he claimed to after Ice King hammered.
atlseal-worried about posting style
AE- barn...possibly scum barn
shalak-quick to hit l-1 without my claim
Esco-has decent reasoning based on my aggressiveness based on shalak's "confusion"...i personally think he is just voting to get a general feel of my actions
Arcadiac- voted me because he thinks bebo is noob and that shalak poses no real threat
Ragnarokio has some good points here, especially the part relating alignment and newness, but chaos as far as I know isn't a scumtell and he seems a little overbearing on Bebo in general.
Since then, Bebo's anarchic methods have became a little more sane recently, and he's been acting more honest and asking questions I think a new player would ask, and they read to me as town- but like Shalako, I'd like to see him answer the question Shalako asked so I can make a clear judgement.
As for ExLight's claim, Elite Vanguard is vanilla as you can get (In terms of Magic) so I'm going to a do a reread like others have mentioned and see if my newly made mafia-playing brain can divine anything.
and these actions are my vote on shalak because i belived he was faking is confusion, and his quickness to put me at l-1 where bebo could just hammer and end it right there?
I specifically told Bebo not to hammer. My quickness was not an issue for the first 5 votes of the band wagon.
I may be wrong, by lynching someone for playing weird is perfectly fine for the first one, since more likely than not, if AI did a basic set up for 12, there will be 9 town, one being a doctor and the other being a cop 3 mafia, the odds are is that we will be hitting town anyway, and in a game were most of us are newbs, a player may be active weirdly, just because he is trying to play like scum without being scum.
So you state that you think its okay to lynch someone for playing weird. Could you explain the second bolded part and how it relates to the first bolded part?
You couldn't see Bebo wanting to "be random" and drop the hammer? I can. He's the most random out of the thread by a lot.
I'm the First friend to his clan. He's posted in my clan's thread alot. He is Much less random there, Unlike Vez. I believe he enjoys being random in the game.
ExLight never answered my question. This is a large part of why my vote stayed on him.
I do not disagree. Just making a point to his future benefit.
We lynch ExLight and let the night actions decide. The cop is not going to reveal their results unless they get a scum result and can't get the scum lynched. Its better to stay hidden for as long as possible.
Also Gaius what is your opinion on Exlight/Bebo. You said you were for an Exlight wagon at first. Is this still true? If so could you state your reasons.
I'm thinking ExLight is the best wagon, and to that end now that I am caught up:
Vote: ExLight
22bebo is reading as newb town - he seems to be very confused, and while he was definitely random at first I think that has settled down a bit. I agree he might be a good target for a cop investigation, but lynch? Not yet.
Gaius did you vote ExLight because you think Bebo is noob town? Could you say why you thought ExLight is the best wagon?
Honestly, i have half a mind to drop the hammer myself, since several have said that they would be ok with exlight being the lynch. After the night, we can get a better idea of who to go after tomorrow. I would like a second opinion, but I am indifferent to who gets lynched tonight and since instead of shalako, exlight and bebo seem to be the prime picks, I will give up on my vote, for now. Still FoSed Shalako
Unvote Shalako
Wait what? You don't care who gets lynched. You state that I was a prime pick. Why? are you talking about who has the longest wagon on them at the time?
Hmm, Manders, huh? I guess I'll wait then. I feel all this tension though. Someone sitting at L-1, and you just sit there waiting....Its frustrating.....
I thought I saw him lurking a couple hours ago.....
Even more boom! Random revive! (I do not vote for ExLight, so don't lynch him. Repeat, do not lynch him due to my fake vote which was retracted within the same post.)
Anyways, now that that's out of my system, I'm going to be for the night. See you tomorrow.
Then we have this :ugh::confused2::confused: at least he didn't vote, wait a post then unvote I guess.
Oh, you're right. Uhm, I go back in time and kill myself before I posted the whole "vote" thing. Wait, cra . . . Okay, there we go, I was able to go back in time as a ghost and inform me that if I kill the me that I once was, I would then die. So, after learning this obvious knowledge, I then went back in time and stopped myself from voting for Ex at all. It was merely a joke vote, don't kill him. If it does kill him, you might want to off me for the good of the town, unless he's scum, at which point, I get five cookies.
Bebo sees that it is possible that his vote killed ExLight, I doubt that he was trying to kill ExLight for real.
Sorry for lurkish play. I've been gone most of the day. This is why I try to make posts that are more moderately sized, because I have don't have all the time in the world for Mafia. (I'm PST and I start school on the 1st.)
/barning Ragnarokio's post except with less feeling on the scum part. Twice if I can. However, Shalako asking about what the PR on post 330 reads somewhat scummy- no PRs have been revealed and we can't say for sure that the PR will follow the plan the players lay out and that just doesn't seem smart for town to have an exposed PR Day 1. He's also claimed not to be a PR and has effectively claimed vanilla. I also dislike the fact that Bebo and Shalako have effectively created two pages of spam (At default settings) but that's a personal hatred and not relevant to gameplay.
I'm game for putting Bebo to a cop target if we have one but not a vig shot and upon rereading, am still in favor of an ExLight lynch.
?:-/ I wasn't asking about pr's on 330,I didn't basically claim vanilla.I said that even if I claimed it's a WIFOM and pointless. Here is 303
I waited for Manders long enough. She was on at 12:36 to day (MTGS time). She had an oppertunity to post, but I am guessing at this point, the rest of the nonvoters don't want to get their hands dirty, so I will do it. Sorry exlight, maybe next game, we can play a bit better.
[FONT=Georgia][COLOR=DarkOrchid][FONT=Georgia][COLOR=DarkOrchid]I can't believe you hammered him Ice King.
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Why? Why would anyone want to hear someone's claim if they're having second thoughts about that person being scum?
He provided his reason, you just refuse to accept it for some reason. He voted you because you posted you changed your mind on the scumminess of someone and didn't unvote. It's a valid reason for voting someone.
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Why is it "cool" that it's possible for the vig to mis-shoot?
How do they not? Please do an analysis on his posts from the time you voted for him.
I don't think you realize how lucky we are AI didn't count that. Any other mod in any other game likely would have. Generally, once the lynch has been reached, it cannot be withdrawn.
Why were you in such a hurry to lynch him? There was still plenty of discussion to be had.
There must be a turning point somewhere, since you voted him initially and never got a chance to unvote. If you could even point out the general time frame in the thread where you got this gut feeling, it would be appreciated.
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[COLOR=Black][FONT=Verdana]Many of us had already considered he was the best lynch target thus far. I believe the consented opinion is that bebo should be copped/vigged.[/FONT][/COLOR]
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So you say, but honestly I am not sure. He has been at L-2 for quite some time, nobody from the original 5 votes has withdrawn, I am pretty sure exlight at this point in time is the best lynch target.
Yes he was but you should have waited for Manders, Like I asked you to. She has the most experience out of all of us.
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Actually, I believe I could have changed some opinions on that, but whatever.
The point is, you should never lay a hammer down before everyone has checked in from a claim.
That doesn't answer my question. If people had changed their mind, as you seemed to be doing among others, then you should never push for said person to claim anyway.
Well, we'll never know now since you just superceded any possible discussion with his lynch.
And if I'm not? Are you going to push for my lynch tomorrow?
If so, good luck. And, you'd better pray I'm not right because if I am and he's town, you're the new #1 suspect.
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Basically, if the mafia thinks you will target me tomorrow, why would they waste a kill on me tonight?
Keep in mind, if I was scum, there is no way in hell I'd be the person to hammer. I think atlseal was the one that said in this thread the the closer to the end a person is to voting to lynch, the more likely that person is scum, too lazy to find that post now....
WIFOM. Hard. You just refer to how the last vote is more likely to be Scum, You made the last vote, by that logic you are scum. Since this is so obvious that means you can't be scum?
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That seems like it would be the best way to do it. See what he claims, if he claims a role that's already taken, he can be sunk later, unless we still think he is the best choice...
Well clearly, that depends on how night plays out now doesn't it...
And if I am suspect #1 and he is town. We will be off to a very bad start...
By Mandershex tent, huh? I wonder if that is because MH is the reason he is dead, or if it means that Manders was the target of TMM....
Of the two, I guess he was protecting me. That would make sense.
In other news, there's a roleblocker in the game, since I was roleblocked. Good times.
Vote: Escorien
Your position on the wagon was horrible, and you haven't contributed crap. Throw in a bit of worrying about your appearance, and you're my top scum pick.
@atlseal: I could go for that wagon, too. He's my second pick.
Vote: Escorien Your position on the wagon was horrible, and you haven't contributed crap. Throw in a bit of worrying about your appearance, and you're my top scum pick.
@atlseal: I could go for that wagon, too. He's my second pick.
Honestly, I'm fine with either getting the pressure they deserve. Surely the mafia wouldn't make it this easy for us.
Too bad I'm too late to stop the answer. I would have preferred that you kept that to yourself. Never know when it might come in handy to have that information private.
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If you're town and I'm mafia, you've already lost. You just don't know it yet.
Why? I was asking about that for future reference.
Reason right off the top of my head:
- By keeping this quiet, if she was RBed, Manders had the potential to catch a scum down the road for knowing something that they shouldn't. Now everyone has knowledge of it.
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If you're town and I'm mafia, you've already lost. You just don't know it yet.
Too bad I'm too late to stop the answer. I would have preferred that you kept that to yourself. Never know when it might come in handy to have that information private.
Reason right off the top of my head:
- By keeping this quiet, if she was RBed, Manders had the potential to catch a scum down the road for knowing something that they shouldn't. Now everyone has knowledge of it.
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and small talk between two players going on for multiple pages. I'd ask that when you post, you mainly stick to content, and that you try to put as much information into a single post as possible, rather than spreading it out. I'm not trying to be mean or anything, but it does look like its going to be extremely bothersome in the future.
Shalako seems scummier as time goes on. I would be willing to bet a lot that either Shalako or bebo is scum, although when i find myself becoming overconfident i worry about how biased and how accurate my view are.
Shalako and Bebo have also flooded the thread, so its very hard to tell who anyone is but them. Seeing as exlight is in the middle of the spotlight, hes in pretty plain sight too, but other people have been perfectly able to hide behind, whether they wanted to or not, all the ridiculousness going on today, not to say that there hasn't been anything happening today, a lot of good and serious discussion went down.
Finally, i want to say that i'm not trying to personally attack anyone here, i'm purely speaking game-wise, i've got no qualms with anyone in this game, my objective is victory, and nothing else.
Sorry for lurkish play. I've been gone most of the day. This is why I try to make posts that are more moderately sized, because I have don't have all the time in the world for Mafia. (I'm PST and I start school on the 1st.)
/barning Ragnarokio's post except with less feeling on the scum part. Twice if I can. However, Shalako asking about what the PR on post 330 reads somewhat scummy- no PRs have been revealed and we can't say for sure that the PR will follow the plan the players lay out and that just doesn't seem smart for town to have an exposed PR Day 1. He's also claimed not to be a PR and has effectively claimed vanilla. I also dislike the fact that Bebo and Shalako have effectively created two pages of spam (At default settings) but that's a personal hatred and not relevant to gameplay.
I'm game for putting Bebo to a cop target if we have one but not a vig shot and upon rereading, am still in favor of an ExLight lynch.
I waited for Manders long enough. She was on at 12:36 to day (MTGS time). She had an oppertunity to post, but I am guessing at this point, the rest of the nonvoters don't want to get their hands dirty, so I will do it. Sorry exlight, maybe next game, we can play a bit better.
Vote Exlight
Mod, votecount please.
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/barn
Disagree about Shalako. I'm almost convinced that he had a Freudian slip on the PW post.
@Shalako: Do you touch type, or no?
/barn
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Why? Why would anyone want to hear someone's claim if they're having second thoughts about that person being scum?
Essentially, this^
Well, I was going to tell you you need to claim flavor, too, but it's too late now.
To clarify: DO NOT QUOTE YOUR ROLE PM. You'll want to provide a paraphrase of the flavor.
He provided his reason, you just refuse to accept it for some reason. He voted you because you posted you changed your mind on the scumminess of someone and didn't unvote. It's a valid reason for voting someone.
Vote: 22bebo
Why is it "cool" that it's possible for the vig to mis-shoot?
How do they not? Please do an analysis on his posts from the time you voted for him.
Off work, hon.
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I don't think you realize how lucky we are AI didn't count that. Any other mod in any other game likely would have. Generally, once the lynch has been reached, it cannot be withdrawn.
Doc can protect against any kind of kill.
Also, it is entirely up the mod on whether the doc can self-protect or not. Most say no, though.
Why were you in such a hurry to lynch him? There was still plenty of discussion to be had.
AI: please give at least a couple hours twilight. I'm not done with these guys.
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You pretty much answered your own question. That's what I was referring to.
You guys don't realize how upset I am about this. It became obvious to me ExLight was town, and now that's ☺☺☺☺ed.
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What makes you think ExLight is town? I still think we got scum.
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Many of us had already considered he was the best lynch target thus far. I believe the consented opinion is that bebo should be copped/vigged.
For me, it was morning...
Because if he claimed PR, I am willing to be many of us would drop our votes, or we could cross examine him to determine if he really was scum...
He claimed over 36 hours ago, I don't think reminding him to claim flavor would have been relevant....
Good question.
So you say, but honestly I am not sure. He has been at L-2 for quite some time, nobody from the original 5 votes has withdrawn, I am pretty sure exlight at this point in time is the best lynch target.
I hope for your sake, your right. Because if exlight comes up mafia, it can only say so much of your credibility.
The GJ way path to no lynching:
Quotes in blog.
I am actually very glad you said that, now I probably don't have to worry about getting nightkilled, if exlight comes up town...
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I fail to see this logic.
Quotes in blog.
Actually, I believe I could have changed some opinions on that, but whatever.
Good for you.
The point is, you should never lay a hammer down before everyone has checked in from a claim.
That doesn't answer my question. If people had changed their mind, as you seemed to be doing among others, then you should never push for said person to claim anyway.
You're absolutely wrong on this. Flavor should always be claimed.
Well, we'll never know now since you just superceded any possible discussion with his lynch.
And if I'm not? Are you going to push for my lynch tomorrow?
If so, good luck. And, you'd better pray I'm not right because if I am and he's town, you're the new #1 suspect.
I could care less about his logic.
Also: it is generally frowned upon to guide any possible PRs in their choice.
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Keep in mind, if I was scum, there is no way in hell I'd be the person to hammer. I thin atlseal was the one that said in this thread the the closer to the end a person is to voting to lynch, the more likely that person is scum, too lazy to find that post now....
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WIFOM + what I said was in reference to the random voting stage, not meant ot be applied any further than that.
Ah, but you see. The fact that you brought this up as your reasoning means that you considered that information when making your choice. Granted, it doesn't guarantee your town or scum, but it makes your defense here obsolete.
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I'm actually anxious to see the outcome of this catastrophe.
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That seems like it would be the best way to do it. See what he claims, if he claims a role that's already taken, he can be sunk later, unless we still think he is the best choice...
Well clearly, that depends on how night plays out now doesn't it...
And if I am suspect #1 and he is town. We will be off to a very bad start...
The GJ way path to no lynching:
This is a question meant for future reference...
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ExLight (7): atlseal, Archmage Eternal, Escorien, Arcadic, Shalako, Gaius, The Ice King
22bebo (1): Ragnarokio
Not Voting (4): 22bebo, The_Muffin_Man, ExLight, MandersHex
After a tense, yet strangely light-hearted first round of discussion, the twelve cards began to circle around ExLight. atlseal and Archmage Eternal appeared in front and behind Exlight, and Escorien and Arcadic quickly followed suit on the left and right, blocking ExLight's escape. MandersHex and Shalako jumped into the circle and began to push ExLight around, demanding he identify himself and explain his jumpy actions.
~ExLight
ExLight never got to finish his sentence, for Gaius had come up behind him and put ExLight in a stranglehold. Unable to breathe, ExLight squirmed while the mob around them cheered with a grim determination. The Ice King brandished a massive blunt weapon of some sort, then gleefully smashed ExLight's head in.
After this gruesome death, the eleven survivors pored over ExLight's belongings in an attempt to determine where his true loyalties lied. When they unsheathed his sword, what they found was a false blade, purely ornamental and with no killing power. Dismayed, they shuffled slowly back to their resting places, sure that no one was getting any sleep tonight.
ExLight has been lynched.
He was Elite Vanguard, Town Vanilla.
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The_Muffin_Man has been killed.
He was Palace Guard, Town Doctor.
It is now Day Two.
With 10 alive, it's 6 votes to lynch.
Can't believe they got the doctor on the first try....
By Mandershex tent, huh? I wonder if that is because MH is the reason he is dead, or if it means that Manders was the target of TMM....
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Let's take a look at what he's contributed to this game so far in all of his 5 posts:
- Fast moving thread
- Barns others about what's already out there
- No original content, still
- Joke
- Barn
Seriously, go back and read those 5 posts again. There is no substance there. None. Zilch. Nada. Nothing. And yet he still ended up on the ExLight wagon.
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ExLight Votes on me for being confused. He doesn't state why thinks so. We
First real vote on ExLight
? At this point I'm only in Softball, before day one. Fishing is not in the Primer.Manders stated in the clan thread that it is fine to ask questions.
2nd Vote on Exlight
THIS I figure this is why most people voted on him
He could have answered the question and unvoted on the same post.
At this point ExLight had 2 votes on him
A.E. has been posting about a minute after Atlseal this whole time.
He states that he thinks I'm faking my confusion, misreads on how many games I have played. (Softball before day 1) I have not finished a game.
Me talking about his Vote,Unvote,Vote, Fos. All very close to each other.
A.E. states reason for keeping vote on Exlight. I find this legitimate.
Explains its self.
About the whole Waffling, why he is doing it.
Gaius doesn't state why he finds Exlight on the scummy side. Rereads before he places a Fos or Vote
Arcadic /barns a ExLight Wagon doesn't state why. Also goes into reread mode.
At this point Exlight has 2 votes, 1 Fos, 2 /barns on wagon.
Edited for relevance. Manders questioning the /barning why ExLight didn't unvote when he relized his mistake.
True but he could have done both at the same time.
Rag finds ExLight suspicious, states reasons why, no vote or fos from him.
So...You didn't think that ExLight was scum at this point. Why did you change your mind?
3rd vote on ExLight,
Arcadic states his gut was for the wagon
I don't give him a vote or Fos. go read the whole post
Arcadic Votes Exlight for "tone", "bad feeling" follows others and puts a vote on Exlight
Manders questioning the "tone" vote, asking why ExLight couldn't unvote in same post.
Gaius response to questions of why he thinks ExLight is Scum.
He never answered this.
I vote ExLight, He left without answering why I should not vote him. I ask for a vote count and tell Bebo to not vote him. I did that because Bebo is was the one I thought most likely to random hammer at that point. Not Ice King.
I voice concern over Bebo random hammering.
Rag states that he would rather a Bebo wagon for random play, no way to tell what side he is on & how he indicates that he either doesn't care about playing the game right or isn't town. Do you still find this true?
Explains why he would rather a Bebo wagon in detail.
Bebo states that he would rather kill ExLight them himself, how ever when he had the chance to he Unvoted. I think that Bebo is becoming less random as time goes on and may prove to be an asset to the town.
Duh.
Name claim, no flavor. No one questioned if he was lying about it or not and no one stepped up and said they were Elite Vanguard. So it was thought to be true. Manders never read this, she was gone from before he claimed to after Ice King hammered.
ExLight signing off.
ExLight going over bandwagon, responses to it.
This is about the best reason people have come up with so far. Most of the votes were based on "feelings"
I specifically told Bebo not to hammer. My quickness was not an issue for the first 5 votes of the band wagon.
So you state that you think its okay to lynch someone for playing weird. Could you explain the second bolded part and how it relates to the first bolded part?
ExLight never answered my question. This is a large part of why my vote stayed on him.
Asking if it were better for the cop to use it on Exlight or Bebo
Gaius did you vote ExLight because you think Bebo is noob town? Could you say why you thought ExLight is the best wagon?
Wait what? You don't care who gets lynched. You state that I was a prime pick. Why? are you talking about who has the longest wagon on them at the time?
Then we have this :ugh::confused2::confused: at least he didn't vote, wait a post then unvote I guess.
Bebo sees that it is possible that his vote killed ExLight, I doubt that he was trying to kill ExLight for real.
?:-/ I wasn't asking about pr's on 330,I didn't basically claim vanilla.I said that even if I claimed it's a WIFOM and pointless. Here is 303
Legitimate reason for why she was gone so long.
You were surprised that a bunch of under 25 guys couldn't keep it in their pants?
Shalako doesn't like feeling votes, however I guess your gut is reliable.
Yes he was but you should have waited for Manders, Like I asked you to. She has the most experience out of all of us.
Seconded.
Wifom if you are scum you also don't have to worry about being nightkilled.
, He's the most suspicious person so Mafia won't night kill him. Of course this doesn't clear him as he could be Mafia.
Could you do a PBPA of Ice King?
WIFOM. Hard. You just refer to how the last vote is more likely to be Scum, You made the last vote, by that logic you are scum. Since this is so obvious that means you can't be scum?
Doesn't that also imply outside of Random stage also?
Me and Bebo never got to talk
Are you talking about Bebo claiming?
Who was not purposefully checking in? I think I missed it.
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Of the two, I guess he was protecting me. That would make sense.
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Vote: Escorien
Your position on the wagon was horrible, and you haven't contributed crap. Throw in a bit of worrying about your appearance, and you're my top scum pick.
@atlseal: I could go for that wagon, too. He's my second pick.
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Honestly, I'm fine with either getting the pressure they deserve. Surely the mafia wouldn't make it this easy for us.
Why?
Also, what was the point of the ExLight PBPA?
Manders is Obv town because of her attitude so far. She's been actively adding to the conversation.
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Too bad I'm too late to stop the answer. I would have preferred that you kept that to yourself. Never know when it might come in handy to have that information private.
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Reason right off the top of my head:
- By keeping this quiet, if she was RBed, Manders had the potential to catch a scum down the road for knowing something that they shouldn't. Now everyone has knowledge of it.
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