Aggro Battle of Wits

bone_doc · 05-02-2011, 06:27 PM

I'm not sure why no one is discussing this yet, it's very cool. It got 32nd place at a recent SCG Open:

Aggro Battle of Wits by Kenny Mayer
Artifacts 1 Sword of Body and Mind 1 Sword of Feast and Famine 1 Sword of Fire and Ice 1 Sword of Light and Shadow Creatures 4 Bloodbraid Elf 1 Eternal Witness 4 Fauna Shaman 4 Figure of Destiny 4 Goblin Guide 4 Grim Lavamancer 4 Kird Ape 4 Knight of the Reliquary 4 Loam Lion 4 Lotus Cobra 4 Mirran Crusader 4 Mother of Runes 4 Noble Hierarch 4 Plated Geopede 4 Qasali Pridemage 4 Ranger of Eos 1 Scute Mob 4 Skyshroud Elite 4 Squadron Hawk 4 Steppe Lynx 4 Stoneforge Mystic 4 Tarmogoyf 4 Terravore 4 Trygon Predator 4 Vengevine 4 Vinelasher Kudzu 4 Wild Nacatl Enchantments 4 Battle of Wits 4 Oblivion Ring Instants 4 Lightning Bolt 4 Lightning Helix 4 Path to Exile 4 Swords to Plowshares Legendary Artifacts 4 Umezawa's Jitte	Legendary Creatures 1 Gaddock Teeg 1 Progenitus Planeswalkers 4 Ajani Vengeant 4 Elspeth, Knight-Errant Sorceries 4 Chain Lightning 4 Green Sun's Zenith 4 Natural Order Basic Lands 1 Forest 1 Island 2 Mountain 2 Plains Lands 4 Arid Mesa 4 Bloodstained Mire 4 Copperline Gorge 4 Flooded Strand 4 Horizon Canopy 4 Marsh Flats 1 Maze of Ith 4 Misty Rainforest 4 Plateau 4 Polluted Delta 4 Raging Ravine 4 Razorverge Thicket 4 Savannah 4 Scalding Tarn 4 Stirring Wildwood 4 Taiga 2 Tropical Island 3 Tundra 4 Verdant Catacombs 3 Volcanic Island 4 Wasteland 4 Windswept Heath 4 Wooded Foothills Land Creatures 2 Dryad Arbor Legendary Lands 1 Karakas	Sideboard: 1 Ethersworn Canonist 1 Phyrexian Revoker 1 Gilded Drake 1 Loaming Shaman 4 Eladamri's Call 4 Worldly Tutor 1 Kataki, War's Wage 1 Llawan, Cephalid Empress 1 Bojuka Bog

It's VERY expensive, but might be something to try some time for those with a big collection

CookedChestnuts · 05-02-2011, 06:29 PM

It's just not viable.

bone_doc · 05-02-2011, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by CookedChestnuts

It's just not viable.

If it is not viable yet, then I suppose it is the right place to discuss... and if you can't add anything with you comment, please don't comment at all.

DMel · 05-02-2011, 07:24 PM

I thought it was very interesting how well this deck did at SCG. Gives a whole new meaning to the phrase "Big Zoo" anyways.

Really this is just proof that Legacy is a really, really dense format, and that if you want to go aggro, you can find 200+ cards that are relatively similar and super-powered for such a deck.

As far as being a Battle of Wits deck goes, I'd be curious to know exactly how many games he won with the enchantment. I really hope there's a report later on some site. I found two things odd. One, no Enlightened Tutor. 4x seems obvious, not only to grab BoW but also to snag those sweet equipments with. Two, the deck isn't base blue. Obviously in Legacy this isn't necessary, but it seems like what you'd want to do. The other Battle deck at SCG I think was more along those lines, but of course this one did better so clearly I don't know what I'm talking about with Battle of Wits decks!

bone_doc · 05-02-2011, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DMel

I thought it was very interesting how well this deck did at SCG. Gives a whole new meaning to the phrase "Big Zoo" anyways.

Really this is just proof that Legacy is a really, really dense format, and that if you want to go aggro, you can find 200+ cards that are relatively similar and super-powered for such a deck.

As far as being a Battle of Wits deck goes, I'd be curious to know exactly how many games he won with the enchantment. I really hope there's a report later on some site. I found two things odd. One, no Enlightened Tutor. 4x seems obvious, not only to grab BoW but also to snag those sweet equipments with. Two, the deck isn't base blue. Obviously in Legacy this isn't necessary, but it seems like what you'd want to do. The other Battle deck at SCG I think was more along those lines, but of course this one did better so clearly I don't know what I'm talking about with Battle of Wits decks!

Yeah, there is also an obvious lacking of Academy Rector. Basically an auto-win if it dies.

Dyne · 05-03-2011, 06:30 AM

I wouldn't say it's not viable, it's just not consistent.

I mean with that many cards, your game plan against, say, ANT, will change based on your opener, instead of relying on normal hate cards.

Same for against any deck in the format really.

It's interesting for sure, but not very consistent.

Bread Connoisseur · 05-03-2011, 07:51 AM

Most expensive deck in the format

Anyways on a serious note. Didn't the guy use a tutor toolbox in the SB? I feel that's the best way to do this is to run 4x worldly tutor and eladamri's call in the SB along with creatures that hate on decks i.e. canonist against storm, gaddock teeg against dredge, etc. etc. and he also run's 4x GSZ MD because let's face it that card is nuts in here for ramping or just finding almost any creature. The only problem I think this deck has is consistency and shuffling it is a pain in the ass.

Also, the lack of e. tutor and other such tutors is because the deck isn't focused on killing with battle of wits. It is a zoo deck essentially in plan most of the time and there are 8 I win cards those 8 being battle of wits and natural order. Or getting to 11 mana and casting GSZ for X = 10 to find progenitus which would be the funniest play ever.

I disagree with the lack of brainstorm though. I would play 4 brainstorm in any deck running blue. Just imagine, drawing progenitus and not having brainstorm to put it back lulz.

Also with this deck you can go the control route with a combo kill that combo being battle of wits alone or you can go aggro like Kenny did. The control version runs a lot of enchantment tutors and a lot of creature removal like 4x WoG, DoJ, damnation, deed, EE, along with a lot of other board sweepers. That version also runs a lot of tutors for battle of wits.

Overall funny deck though and anyone who runs it in a tournament is my hero, end of story. At least you get variance in your opening 7's lulz.

penatbater · 05-03-2011, 08:02 AM

enlightened tutor might be actually useful for tutoring that enchantment.

Silex Flint · 05-03-2011, 08:34 AM

Anyone think they should do a newer version but with 100 cards as the wincon? I mean the decks current difficulty is shuffling, seasoned edh players would be used to 100 less cards

Sundodger · 05-03-2011, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Silex Flint

Anyone think they should do a newer version but with 100 cards as the wincon?

They could print this in M12 and call it Battle of Halfwits

Lorgalis · 05-03-2011, 12:59 PM

As it's been said, this needs tutors.

Enlightened tutor is the obvious one. However, all creature tutors (Worldly tutor, Eladamri's Call, Living Wish, Fauna Shaman...) could be used to fetch Academy Rector, which seems such a good card in this deck. If black were included in the deck, other forms of searching are open (not forgetting Brainspoil).

Anyways, top 32 with a BoW deck is awesomesauce....

Awaclus · 05-03-2011, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Sundodger

They could print this in M12 and call it Battle of Halfwits

I don't remember when I laughed this hard last time. I guess it must've been when I read the What is Jitte thread.

bone_doc · 05-03-2011, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Sundodger

They could print this in M12 and call it Battle of Halfwits

LOL! Soo good.

@Lorgalis: Very good points are very good. Are we gonna try an develop this? xD

In other news:
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Soldier · 05-04-2011, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Silex Flint

Anyone think they should do a newer version but with 100 cards as the wincon? I mean the decks current difficulty is shuffling, seasoned edh players would be used to 100 less cards

100 cards isnt that bad a win condition of 100 cards is too easy... but I would assume a typical Battle of Wits deck would have at least 250 to 260 cards.

Actually with the dozen of tutors in the game I dont see it being such a hard deck to play and yes I would slighish aggro since it requires a very few cards in play. I could guess it becomming a problem with High tide although the nightmare of a timespiral and shuffling 200+ cards each time... wow!!!

Something to think about...

Too bad Magical Hack doesnt effect numbers...

protoaddict · 05-04-2011, 03:55 PM

This might be my favorite deck ever.

It probably costs too much but arc slogger seems like it could steal games when you have no risk of decking. Academy Rector also fits but I wonder if there are not more sac outlets the deck could run to make that happen.

A single emrakul protects the deck from grindstoneings, so would pop that in as well.

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05-02-2011, 07:24 PM	#4
DMel Archmage Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 758	I thought it was very interesting how well this deck did at SCG. Gives a whole new meaning to the phrase "Big Zoo" anyways. Really this is just proof that Legacy is a really, really dense format, and that if you want to go aggro, you can find 200+ cards that are relatively similar and super-powered for such a deck. As far as being a Battle of Wits deck goes, I'd be curious to know exactly how many games he won with the enchantment. I really hope there's a report later on some site. I found two things odd. One, no Enlightened Tutor. 4x seems obvious, not only to grab BoW but also to snag those sweet equipments with. Two, the deck isn't base blue. Obviously in Legacy this isn't necessary, but it seems like what you'd want to do. The other Battle deck at SCG I think was more along those lines, but of course this one did better so clearly I don't know what I'm talking about with Battle of Wits decks! __________________ Legacy Decks I'm Currently Running: Spoiler: Other Legacy Decks I Own: Spoiler: EDH Generals/Decks: Spoiler:
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05-03-2011, 07:51 AM	#7
Bread Connoisseur DESTRUCTO DISC!! Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Minnesota Posts: 4,620 Blog Entries: 5	Most expensive deck in the format Anyways on a serious note. Didn't the guy use a tutor toolbox in the SB? I feel that's the best way to do this is to run 4x worldly tutor and eladamri's call in the SB along with creatures that hate on decks i.e. canonist against storm, gaddock teeg against dredge, etc. etc. and he also run's 4x GSZ MD because let's face it that card is nuts in here for ramping or just finding almost any creature. The only problem I think this deck has is consistency and shuffling it is a pain in the ass. Also, the lack of e. tutor and other such tutors is because the deck isn't focused on killing with battle of wits. It is a zoo deck essentially in plan most of the time and there are 8 I win cards those 8 being battle of wits and natural order. Or getting to 11 mana and casting GSZ for X = 10 to find progenitus which would be the funniest play ever. I disagree with the lack of brainstorm though. I would play 4 brainstorm in any deck running blue. Just imagine, drawing progenitus and not having brainstorm to put it back lulz. Also with this deck you can go the control route with a combo kill that combo being battle of wits alone or you can go aggro like Kenny did. The control version runs a lot of enchantment tutors and a lot of creature removal like 4x WoG, DoJ, damnation, deed, EE, along with a lot of other board sweepers. That version also runs a lot of tutors for battle of wits. Overall funny deck though and anyone who runs it in a tournament is my hero, end of story. At least you get variance in your opening 7's lulz. __________________ "Yawgmoth," Freyalise whispered as she set the bomb, "now you will pay for your treachery." -Freyalise Currently Playing: Legacy: All manner of storm combo Dark Ritual on The Source and Storm Boards Notable finishes: Top 16 SCG Kansas City Legacy Open 2012 with Burning ANT Top 32 SCG Minneapolis Legacy Open 2012 with Burning ANT
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05-03-2011, 12:59 PM	#11
Lorgalis has the Poontang Blues Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Shelly Wan's Misty Rainforest Posts: 3,159	As it's been said, this needs tutors. Enlightened tutor is the obvious one. However, all creature tutors (Worldly tutor, Eladamri's Call, Living Wish, Fauna Shaman...) could be used to fetch Academy Rector, which seems such a good card in this deck. If black were included in the deck, other forms of searching are open (not forgetting Brainspoil). Anyways, top 32 with a BoW deck is awesomesauce.... __________________ Zaphod @ HighLight Studios MUSHO BETI
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05-03-2011, 08:02 AM	#8
penatbater Wizard Mentor Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 567	enlightened tutor might be actually useful for tutoring that enchantment.
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05-04-2011, 03:55 PM	#15
protoaddict Archmage Overlord Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: New York Posts: 1,812	This might be my favorite deck ever. It probably costs too much but arc slogger seems like it could steal games when you have no risk of decking. Academy Rector also fits but I wonder if there are not more sac outlets the deck could run to make that happen. A single emrakul protects the deck from grindstoneings, so would pop that in as well.
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