howdy yall, basic plan of this deck tries to abuse the etb effects like crazy while also making use of cycling, evoke, and discard funnels to speed into Karador. But, what really makes it different from the other reanimator Teneb Karador decks i've seen lists of is the use of Ghostway, Parallax wave, and Second Sunrise. It gets really insane with Eternal witness to the point that it puts a permanent hold on my opponents while continuing to punish them with etb effects. I really like how amazingly it recovers from board wipe and land destruction. It's missing a few things, pernicious deed, debating on Fierce Empath and the obvious lands but, I'm pretty pleased with the deck as is.
I suppose i should also address some of the cards that i am not running in this deck. cards like reya dawnbringer and Debtor's knell, while they offer fantastic effects, Sheoldred does the same thing, and at a mana cheaper than Reya and more tutorable than Debtor's knell, there's way too many other great cards that need to go in this deck than a repeat. lots of these decks run Mimic Vat, but let's be honest, it's probably going to want to hit the awesome creatures in my deck, and then it gets destroyed and you lose use of your effects. Also a theres very few walkers in this deck, Garruk 1 and 2 just dont cut it, all the tokens tend to get wiped by ghostway so why bother? Same thing goes for Grave Titan. I think Garruk Relentless//Garruk, the Veil-Cursed could be worth running, creature tutor combined with grave dump seems pretty fantastic, but the flip might be exceptionally sketchy, Ajani's counters work against Ghostway, as do both Elspeths, and I'm generally not a fan of Sorin in edh, and of course both Lili's easily deserve their spots.
EDIT: I've made a few changes, swapped the cyclers for sak tribe and yavimaya elder, i think they have more synergy with karador, I dropped animate dead and second sunrise (theyre just not as good as necromancy and makeshift mannequin and parallax wave and ghostway respectively) for Saffi and Heartless Summoning, which I'm pretty sure should be amazing in the deck, still uncertain on the sac outlet this deck seems to need so desparatley :/ but im thinkin phyrexian tower will be enough, we'll see
EDIT: I'm feeling I seriously underestimated Heartless Summoning, but it means finagling my rampers since the elders aren't as usable Unfortunately this means Hornet Queen is suddenly a 7 mana 1/1 flying deathtoucher... so she's out with that but she was relatively weak in the deck as is, there's just better things to reanimate. I talked myself down a ramper and Fierce Empath and Farhaven Elf are replacing the elders, both of which should synergize wonderfully with Karador, well, better than the original cyclers, not sure what I was thinking with them, I think they were there when the deck used to have Teneb as a general, not sure what I was thinking using him over Karador in this. I've also been playing around with Dauntless EscortSun Titan shenanigans, to much success. I've also dropped Phyrexian Arena, I just prefer the Rune-Scarred Demon, the body and creature tutors definitely work better in the deck. This makes room for more testing with...Lightning Greaves, if only for the benefit of making Novablast Wurm capable of being able to board wipe the turn I play him, and I suppose Karador's safety is beneficial to my gameplan, not to mention titan advantage...yeah seems better now that I think about it, sorry greaves! I've also dropped Armageddon, I generally think Cataclysm is much much better in this deck, and Desolation Angel covers the creature comfort this deck likes, so...I...have an open slot....wow, um, this is weird...I suppose Viridian Emissary would be good, Krosan Tusker also has merit...I think I want to test out Vish Kal, Blood Arbiter for now though. He has great board presence and acts as a sac outlet, protecting my creatures from nasty exile effects and pushing them back to the gy to be recast. Not to mention the infinite combos he can allow with saffi as Kazper mentioned.
EDIT: Wow I have been away but I am still updating! First things first, artifacts: Lightning greaves and Skullclamp have made their way into the deck. Greaves helps you pull of your insta win saffi sun titan vish kal combo and skullclamp lets you dump your weak P/T strong ETB creatures into the gy to get recast and gives you card advantage, so win win. With the loss of Primeval Titan we got Kokusho, so that was a relatively easy swap, I've also dropped shriekmaw for the sun titan friendly Bone Shredder, Novablast Wurm Is Just so much weaker than straight up board wipe since it relies on having haste, so to help with the loss of Primetime and benefit from the addition of skullclmap I added weathered wayfarer. Galepowder Mage had a great run, a phenomenal run, really. Then Restoration Angel happened. Another sad loss was Knight of the Reliquary. I freaking love that card for EDH but Disciple of Bolas was an easy auto include. Corpse Connoisseur is just too damn expensive, and Desolation Angel discourages ghostway, I added in Jarad's Orders, and entomb instead. I also ended up dropping Heartless summoning due to its poor synergy with skullclamp, and added some more efficient ramp, sakura tribe elder. One of the main things I wanted to do with this update was give sun titan as much utility in his etb effect as possible, with that in mind I swapped makeshift mannequin for animate dead, and Hallowed Burial for Pernicious Deed. Got my hands on a damnation finally too so that's replacing cataclysm because it was a little too much of a wild card. Beast Within beats Mortify any day. I dropped Identity Crisis for Sylvan Library because nearly half the people I play with run Knowledge Exploitation or Wild Ricochet and if I have to think to count how many times a card has lost me the game it has to go. Finally I dropped Farhaven Elf and Treetop Village for Viscera Seer and Dauntless Escort. The Seer can infinite scry with Sun Titan and Saffi and Dauntless serves a similar function to Saffi, which is always awesome.
Legacy: B Manaless Dredge B
EDH: GBW Karador, Ghostway Chieftain WBG, UBOona, Queen of the FaeBU
Casual:WUBRG Maelstrom Archangel RushGRBUW B Korlash Black Ramp B RW Defenders WR
I can't elaborate because I'm using my phone but cool deck idea. Saffi eriksdotter, qasauli pridemage, yosei the Morningstar, Sakura tribe elder,life from the loam, and bazaar of Baghdad want a word with you. Sorry for no card tags, in a rush.
Good call on sak tribe, he's definitley worth running, pretty much better than a cycler, both of them are sort of worthless in the gy. Yosei could be cool, life from the loam is definitely on the list of candidates along with tooth and nail, saffi could be fun, but im wondering if it is all that helpful with karador, im pretty ok with stuff going into my gy. qasali just seems not as good as harmonic sliver :/ ive also been debating on stonehorn dignitary, blinking him seems pretty good and could shut down some decks flat out...not sure also, isn't Bazaar banned in EDH?
Legacy: B Manaless Dredge B
EDH: GBW Karador, Ghostway Chieftain WBG, UBOona, Queen of the FaeBU
Casual:WUBRG Maelstrom Archangel RushGRBUW B Korlash Black Ramp B RW Defenders WR
Saffi is amazing. Your suntitan, reveilark, and karmic guide never die. Add in any sack outlet like, lets say, altar of dementia, and you just won the game! Bazaar of Baghdad is actually not banned and is quite useful in this type of deck. Have you considered entomb , it might as well be considered a tutor and mana accel as far as your general is concerned. Also reanimate os amazing if you go a slightly more reanimation route
hmm, that is very true...saffi + altar of dementia does seem pretty damn awesome with sun titan....mannnnnn even just having her on the board makes you think twice before blowing up the ETBers. I thought about entomb, it seems pretty fantastic but i just dont have 30 bucks to spend on one card, so bazaar is deffffffinitely out of the question but yeah in a perfect world i would totally run both of those. reanimate seems....not as good in this format, honestly im just using them for the etb effects, and why pay b and lose probably a fifth of my life at sorcery speed when i can use makeshift mannequin or necromancy at instant (especially with woodfall primus, he's even more terrifying with that mannequin counter on him)? yeah that means i need three open mana but once this deck gets going you honestly just need mana to keep recasting parallax wave and ghostway. As far as sac outlets go, im thinking I'd probably want to use viscera seer over altar of dementia mainly because it's a creature, and a heavier creature focus is preferred since half my tutors are creature only, but speaking of sac outlets and the occasional irritation of creature only tutors, diabolic intent is looking good to me, might drop worldly tutor for it, im just not happy to see that card way too often, such a dead card late game since you have to wait a turn to benefit from it.
Legacy: B Manaless Dredge B
EDH: GBW Karador, Ghostway Chieftain WBG, UBOona, Queen of the FaeBU
Casual:WUBRG Maelstrom Archangel RushGRBUW B Korlash Black Ramp B RW Defenders WR
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I suppose i should also address some of the cards that i am not running in this deck. cards like reya dawnbringer and Debtor's knell, while they offer fantastic effects, Sheoldred does the same thing, and at a mana cheaper than Reya and more tutorable than Debtor's knell, there's way too many other great cards that need to go in this deck than a repeat. lots of these decks run Mimic Vat, but let's be honest, it's probably going to want to hit the awesome creatures in my deck, and then it gets destroyed and you lose use of your effects. Also a theres very few walkers in this deck, Garruk 1 and 2 just dont cut it, all the tokens tend to get wiped by ghostway so why bother? Same thing goes for Grave Titan. I think Garruk Relentless//Garruk, the Veil-Cursed could be worth running, creature tutor combined with grave dump seems pretty fantastic, but the flip might be exceptionally sketchy, Ajani's counters work against Ghostway, as do both Elspeths, and I'm generally not a fan of Sorin in edh, and of course both Lili's easily deserve their spots.
EDIT: I've made a few changes, swapped the cyclers for sak tribe and yavimaya elder, i think they have more synergy with karador, I dropped animate dead and second sunrise (theyre just not as good as necromancy and makeshift mannequin and parallax wave and ghostway respectively) for Saffi and Heartless Summoning, which I'm pretty sure should be amazing in the deck, still uncertain on the sac outlet this deck seems to need so desparatley :/ but im thinkin phyrexian tower will be enough, we'll see
EDIT: I'm feeling I seriously underestimated Heartless Summoning, but it means finagling my rampers since the elders aren't as usable Unfortunately this means Hornet Queen is suddenly a 7 mana 1/1 flying deathtoucher... so she's out with that but she was relatively weak in the deck as is, there's just better things to reanimate. I talked myself down a ramper and Fierce Empath and Farhaven Elf are replacing the elders, both of which should synergize wonderfully with Karador, well, better than the original cyclers, not sure what I was thinking with them, I think they were there when the deck used to have Teneb as a general, not sure what I was thinking using him over Karador in this. I've also been playing around with Dauntless Escort Sun Titan shenanigans, to much success. I've also dropped Phyrexian Arena, I just prefer the Rune-Scarred Demon, the body and creature tutors definitely work better in the deck. This makes room for more testing with...Lightning Greaves, if only for the benefit of making Novablast Wurm capable of being able to board wipe the turn I play him, and I suppose Karador's safety is beneficial to my gameplan, not to mention titan advantage...yeah seems better now that I think about it, sorry greaves! I've also dropped Armageddon, I generally think Cataclysm is much much better in this deck, and Desolation Angel covers the creature comfort this deck likes, so...I...have an open slot....wow, um, this is weird...I suppose Viridian Emissary would be good, Krosan Tusker also has merit...I think I want to test out Vish Kal, Blood Arbiter for now though. He has great board presence and acts as a sac outlet, protecting my creatures from nasty exile effects and pushing them back to the gy to be recast. Not to mention the infinite combos he can allow with saffi as Kazper mentioned.
EDIT: Wow I have been away but I am still updating! First things first, artifacts: Lightning greaves and Skullclamp have made their way into the deck. Greaves helps you pull of your insta win saffi sun titan vish kal combo and skullclamp lets you dump your weak P/T strong ETB creatures into the gy to get recast and gives you card advantage, so win win. With the loss of Primeval Titan we got Kokusho, so that was a relatively easy swap, I've also dropped shriekmaw for the sun titan friendly Bone Shredder, Novablast Wurm Is Just so much weaker than straight up board wipe since it relies on having haste, so to help with the loss of Primetime and benefit from the addition of skullclmap I added weathered wayfarer. Galepowder Mage had a great run, a phenomenal run, really. Then Restoration Angel happened. Another sad loss was Knight of the Reliquary. I freaking love that card for EDH but Disciple of Bolas was an easy auto include. Corpse Connoisseur is just too damn expensive, and Desolation Angel discourages ghostway, I added in Jarad's Orders, and entomb instead. I also ended up dropping Heartless summoning due to its poor synergy with skullclamp, and added some more efficient ramp, sakura tribe elder. One of the main things I wanted to do with this update was give sun titan as much utility in his etb effect as possible, with that in mind I swapped makeshift mannequin for animate dead, and Hallowed Burial for Pernicious Deed. Got my hands on a damnation finally too so that's replacing cataclysm because it was a little too much of a wild card. Beast Within beats Mortify any day. I dropped Identity Crisis for Sylvan Library because nearly half the people I play with run Knowledge Exploitation or Wild Ricochet and if I have to think to count how many times a card has lost me the game it has to go. Finally I dropped Farhaven Elf and Treetop Village for Viscera Seer and Dauntless Escort. The Seer can infinite scry with Sun Titan and Saffi and Dauntless serves a similar function to Saffi, which is always awesome.
1 Karador, Ghost Chieftain
ETB/Die effect Creatures 21
1 Woodfall Primus
1 Terastodon
1 Angel of Despair
1 Rune-Scarred Demon
1 Sun Titan
1 Kokusho, the Evening Star
1 Duplicant
1 Karmic Guide
1 Reveillark
1 Bone Shredder
1 Acidic Slime
1 Solemn Simulacrum
1 Eternal Witness
1 Harmonic Sliver
1 Big Game Hunter
1 Fierce Empath
1 Sakura Tribe Elder
1 Wall of Blossoms
1 Wall of Omens
1 Restoration Angel
1 Disciple of Bolas
Other Creatures 12
1 Viscera Seer
1 Dauntless Escort
1 Oracle of Mul Daya
1 Iona, Shield of Emeria
1 Sheoldred, The Whispering One
1 Vish Kal, Blood Arbiter
1 Weathered Wayfarer
1 Necrotic Sliver
1 Doomed Necromancer
1 Saffi Eriksdotter
1 Fauna Shaman
1 Silverglade Pathfinder
1 Entomb
1 Jarad's Orders
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Diabolic Intent
1 Green Sun's Zenith
1 Eladamri's Call
1 Birthing Pod
1 Realms Uncharted
1 Buried Alive
1 Skullclamp
1 Sylvan Library
Utility 3
1 Lightning Greaves
1 Sol Ring
1 Sensei's Divining Top
Reanimate 2
1 Animate Dead
1 Necromancy
Board Wipe 5
1 Wrath of God
1 Day of Judgment
1 Austere Command
1 Damnation
1 Pernicious Deed
Spot Removal 6
1 Path to Exile
1 Swords to Plowshares
1 Beast Within
1 Vindicate
1 Putrefy
1 Maelstrom Pulse
ETB abusing spells 2
1 Parallax Wave
1 Ghostway
Planeswalkers 2
1 Liliana of the Veil
1 Liliana Vess
3 Plains
3 Forest
3 Swamp
1 Windswept Heath
1 Golgari Rot Farm
1 Selesnya Sanctuary
1 Orzhov Basilica
1 Rupture Spire
1 Command Tower
1 Murmuring Bosk
1 Phyrexian Tower
1 Llanowar Wastes
1 Fetid Heath
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Caves of Koilos
1 Strip Mine
1 Tectonic Edge
1 Temple of the False God
1 Flagstones of Trokair
1 Vivid Marsh
1 Vivid Meadow
1 Vivid Grove
1 Twilight Mire
1 Verdant Catacombs
1 Marsh Flats
1 Cabal Coffers
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1 Godless Shrine
1 Boseiju, Who Shelters All
EDH: GBW Karador, Ghostway Chieftain WBG, UBOona, Queen of the FaeBU
Casual:WUBRG Maelstrom Archangel RushGRBUW
B Korlash Black Ramp B
RW Defenders WR
EDH: GBW Karador, Ghostway Chieftain WBG, UBOona, Queen of the FaeBU
Casual:WUBRG Maelstrom Archangel RushGRBUW
B Korlash Black Ramp B
RW Defenders WR
EDH: GBW Karador, Ghostway Chieftain WBG, UBOona, Queen of the FaeBU
Casual:WUBRG Maelstrom Archangel RushGRBUW
B Korlash Black Ramp B
RW Defenders WR