[Vs.] RDW vs. UW Humans

[tommygeek]

A friend of mine has recently gotten into playing a version of UW humans that relies on something like 15 1 drop creatures and Honor of the Pure. I'm running a deck very similar to Caplan's Worlds' list, but still have trouble due to all the biggish threats he can put out after a T2 Honor.

More specifically my list is Caplan's list with the following changes main deck:
-3 Stromkirk Noble
-1 Spikeshot Elder
+2 Mountain
+2 Koth of the Hammer

I've got the Noble's and Elders coming, but are there any other suggestions you all would make to help beat the weenie heavy deck I find myself facing most often?

I was thinking Slagstorm might be a good idea, but I also want to keep the deck viable against other decks as well, and running these maindeck isn't something I want to do.

Is there any other way I can punish a deck full of 1 drops?

[dudebro]

Arc trail?

Anyway it really is stromkirk that will carry a bunch vs any deck with "humans" in the name. Mine usually eats an O-ring or something which is good for us, as a one drop being worthy of an oring means we have some mean cards.

Depending on how creature aggro heavy your meta is slagstorm maindeck miiighhhttt be ok.

[Essersmith]

Get those stromkirks! 4x Stromkirk Noble will make it look harsh for him.

Also slagstorm is a good choice (3x or something), play the control role and let him overextend.
Arc trail will be your friend, perhaps incinerate aswell. Just keep burning creatures and hitting back with phoenixes and such.

UW humans should be a breeze for mostly any RDW deck.
I dont think i have ever lost a single game to such a deck.

Assuming you mean UW human geist things will be a bit more difficult, Slagstorm will definatly be your friend.

[Helspont]

Man Geist gives me issues, esp with a destiny on the following turn.

Slagstorm in the board will give options to alot of decks, W/X tokens, tempered steel, B/R vamps (yeah I got a odd meta)

[Hotziggety]

I have recently been coming up against a list similar to the following:

Deck

Lands (24): 12 Plains 4 Seachrome Coast 4 Glacial Fortress 4 Moorland Haunt Creatures (22): 4 Champion of the Parish 4 Doomed Traveler 4 Accorder Paladin 4 Mirran Crusader 3 Geist of Saint Traft 3 Hero of Bladehold Other Spells (14): 4 Mana Leak 4 Honor of the Pure 3 Oblivion Ring 3 Angelic Destiny Sideboard: 4 Timely Reinforcements 3 Spellskite 3 Leonin Relic-Warder 3 Vapor Snag 1 Hero of Bladehold 1 Oblivion Ring

This deck is giving me some serious trouble. Do I really need to play slagstorm to win this match? I don't seem to be able to race this guy. Ideas?

[Helspont]

We would probably have a better guesstimate if you posted your deck list as well.

It seems somewhat slow, with 4 1 drop, and 4 2 drop creatures. Your first 2 turns are where you are going to really shine against this deck. If they skip a 2 drop to keep mana open, assume they have the leak, and just keep swinging in, and cast your burn on their turn.

Turn 1 noble, into turn 2 berserker is usually enough to win games against alot of decks, esp with a volt charge for back-up mid combat.

[Hotziggety]

@ Hellspont

Here is my list:

Deck
4 Stromkirk Noble 4 Grim Lavamancer 4 Stormblood berserker 4 Chandra's Phoenix	4 shrine of burning rage 4 Koth of the Hammer 4 Shock 4 Incinerate 4 Volt Charge 24 Mountain	SB: 4 Hero of Oxide Ridge 4 Arc Trail 4 Manic Vandal 3 Dismember

[geleroff]

please, play act of agression instead of traitorious blood, it deals with geist easily

[Essersmith]

Originally Posted by Hotziggety

@ Hellspont

Here is my list:

To me its pretty clear why you cant beat UW humans.
Your deck is not tuned to it at all.

First thing that strikes me is the mainboard koth, against agro koth is generally sub par and against UW humas its dead next turn.
Second thing that strikes me is the sideboard arc trail. put those guys mainboard.
Lavamancer just isnt good enough as a 4 of, 2/2 split of lavamancers and arsonists or lavamancers and fireslingers works a bit better.

You dont need to run 24 lands, so cut down to 23 and add more burn.
Also mainboarding slagstorm might be a wise choice if you know you will face a lot of uw humans.

[Rayman420]

Esser gives good advice, but I would also add that Hero is good against aggo, and some sort of split between him and Koth might help your odds, while allowing you to go 4x of whatever post SB.

running a few cards as 3x can also let you squeeze in the cards you are missing, like Spikeshot Elder, Goblin Arsonist, ect. They add some flexibility to a deck that you dont otherwise have.

[aedark]

maybe sideboarding ratchet bomb instead of slagstorm
it provides answer to hotp and geist, in the worst case ratchet gonna eat an oblivion ring but there r another threats in the board

sideboard dismember to deal with hero

and x2 arc trail more bcuz ull have answer to hotp and get card advantage


thats a thought

[tommygeek]

I've found that taking out 2 koth and 2 land for 3 noble and a spikeshot (basically making maindeck look exactly like caplan's) brings up my win pct against UW without too much more needed. When the meta shifts away from UW (if it does) then I'll have to look to some other answers, but right now, I'm finding this world's build to be just amazing.

[FoodChainGoblins]

Originally Posted by Hotziggety

I have recently been coming up against a list similar to the following:

This deck is giving me some serious trouble. Do I really need to play slagstorm to win this match? I don't seem to be able to race this guy. Ideas?

It seems like their deck is already tuned to race you and side in 10-11 cards (everything but Vapor Snag and Hero of Bladehold, although those are probably decent too).

You can try to get your nut draw, maybe Gut Shot, hope they don't draw Honor of the Pure, try Ratchet Bomb, or you could try Slagstorm and get them to overextend, not expecting it since usually Slagstorm is good vs. RDW.

[DXI-Edge]

Originally Posted by geleroff

please, play act of agression instead of traitorious blood, it deals with geist easily

...uh...i don't know about that. As the geist puts an angel tapped and attacking, i do not believe it can block the Geist. Im assuming thats what you mean as you can't target geist...

[EllE]

Originally Posted by DXI-Edge

...uh...i don't know about that. As the geist puts an angel tapped and attacking, i do not believe it can block the Geist. Im assuming thats what you mean as you can't target geist...

Act of Aggression
1. Take angel token. Untap it
2. Block Geist
3. ???
4. Profit

Slagstorm does seem like it would help quite a bit.