[Primer] Delver Blue - Page 4

Zom · 03-31-2012, 06:33 AM

Why isn't Spell Pierce being played?

BonSequitur · 03-31-2012, 09:33 AM

Meta reasons. For the most part, the decks that tap out are creature decks; the decks that play noncreatures that are worth countering are Storm and Post decks, which tend to make Spell Pierce useless very fast. For winning counter wars, Dispel and Daze are preferred.

Zom · 04-03-2012, 07:13 AM

What about Mistblade Shinobi for Faeries?
Is it a 1/1 too weak for the current meta? or just not that good

BonSequitur · 04-03-2012, 07:32 AM

It's very mediocre in noncreature match-ups, and just not that good. Importantly, most ninjas only ever get to hit once (Because they have no evasion and being hit by one sucks). Getting to draw a card is just a lot better than bouncing something.

JustSin · 04-03-2012, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Zom

What about Mistblade Shinobi for Faeries?

If you're indicating bouncing fae in the mirror then that'd be a bad idea lol last thing you want is to bounce back a Spellstutter Sprite for your opponent :P

Zom · 04-03-2012, 01:43 PM

And what about Errant Ephemeron in a classic MUC deck?
Zephyr Spirite?

Lets see if I manage to name some useful cards :P

JustSin · 04-03-2012, 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zom

And what about Errant Ephemeron in a classic MUC deck?
Zephyr Spirite?

Lets see if I manage to name some useful cards :P

there are actually versions that run those!

errant more so in the 8post MUC though I believe

spandy · 04-11-2012, 04:06 AM

I'm running a crazy build with Unstable Mutations and Drifter Il-Dals. Taking it to a Pauper tournament this weekend, will report results.

LSB · 04-12-2012, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by spandy

I'm running a crazy build with Unstable Mutations and Drifter Il-Dals. Taking it to a Pauper tournament this weekend, will report results.

Good luck! And I'm looking forward to your report, the choices seem pretty interesting.

MOKAONE · 04-16-2012, 06:12 AM

due to the increasing number of green stompy and green infect decks on pauper (and both are really competitive is obvious) does any one tried any coast watcher on sideboard ???

PolishTamales · 04-16-2012, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by MOKAONE

due to the increasing number of green stompy and green infect decks on pauper (and both are really competitive is obvious) does any one tried any coast watcher on sideboard ???

People have been putting it in their SB according to the MTGO Dailies, so seems like a legit answer.

SuperSaiyanXMike · 04-27-2012, 11:49 PM

Im interested in getting involved in Pauper, mainly because I came across this archetype. It appears to be a top tier deck.

Any tips on playing and building the deck?

MTGO seems to be the only place to play Pauper, sadly. Its free, right? All I have to do is pay for the cards and I can begin playing in dailies?

Hamster1800 · 04-28-2012, 02:00 AM

I would recommend starting with a successful list from a recent daily (Here along the right), then testing it in the practice room to get used to how it functions and maybe make a few changes. You might see two similar styles of decks popping up. The more popular is the one that this thread highlights, and is the creature heavy mono blue aggro-control deck. There is also a mono blue control list that runs similar cards, but plays extremely differently (they play many more counterspells and many fewer creatures). If the list you find has bears and ninjas, that's the deck that this thread is about.

I don't think you can say that MTGO is in any sense free. You pay to make an account, you pay to buy the cards, and then you pay 6 tickets to enter each event. The best analogy I've heard (I forget where this is from): playing MTGO is just like playing in a games store that happens to be located on the internet. You can find the schedule for daily events online, or in the client under the scheduled events tab.

I have a question for others who have been running this deck. Recently, there's been a rise of a variant of white weenie that has been giving me a lot of trouble. It's essentially tribal soldiers using lords to make their creatures a lot bigger (example list). The main reasons that I've been having trouble are:
1. They run 12 1-drops that target things (deftblade, lawkeeper, javelineers) making phantasmal bear extremely bad.
2. Their ground guys get past 2 toughness extremely quickly, since they have 8 toughness boosting lords at 2 mana, so it's very difficult to make good blocks since you often have to double block to kill a creature. This also makes your ninjas very bad.

Essentially, they pretty much force you to take out the bears and ninjas, and it's difficult to find 8 cards in the board that aren't blank against them. My board play thus far is to bring in more bounce, since a good bounce can cause you to have much better blocks than they anticipated, and to play more spire golems and stitched drakes (I've upped my count to 4 spires, 2 stitched in the main + 2 stitched in the side). Has anyone else played against this deck and have insights on cards that would be useful to have for the matchup?

JustSin · 04-28-2012, 07:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperSaiyanXMike

Im interested in getting involved in Pauper, mainly because I came across this archetype. It appears to be a top tier deck.

Any tips on playing and building the deck?

MTGO seems to be the only place to play Pauper, sadly. Its free, right? All I have to do is pay for the cards and I can begin playing in dailies?

Daily Events are not free to join they cost 6 tickets entrance fee

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Originally Posted by Hamster1800

There is also a mono blue control list that runs similar cards, but plays extremely differently (they play many more counterspells and many fewer creatures).

actually this isn't entirely true.... while the decks do play different and the other version is lighter on creatures it doesn't get more Counterspells in 98% of the lists. In fact its often the opposite... at first glance both types are even thanks to the Delver list running Spellstutter Sprite, but then Delver actually gets more counterspells because it runs Ninja of the Deep Hours and Snap, which allow for recursion of Spellstutter Sprite. This is the biggest problem with why Delver is so dominate in Pauper (something I am personally unhappy with), it works as heavy aggro, but it ends up also being able to run 11 base counterspells in addition to another 6 ways to replay sprites

SuperSaiyanXMike · 04-28-2012, 08:02 AM

Thanks for the detailed response. I guess I should have just asked this:

How much actual money (USD) will it cost me to get an account up and running with a Delver list?

What is the tickets to dollar ratio?

Perhaps Gigadrowse can help fight WW decks?

03-31-2012, 06:33 AM	#46
Zom Experienced Mage Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Madrid Posts: 61	Why isn't Spell Pierce being played? __________________ I play Legacy Combo Elves & casual
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03-31-2012, 09:33 AM	#47
BonSequitur Archmage Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 897	Meta reasons. For the most part, the decks that tap out are creature decks; the decks that play noncreatures that are worth countering are Storm and Post decks, which tend to make Spell Pierce useless very fast. For winning counter wars, Dispel and Daze are preferred. __________________ Like Pauper? Like saying "no?" Read the 8-Post Primer! The cycle of MTGSalvation: "Wizards hates combo!" "Wizards hates control!" "Wizards hates Aggro!"
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04-03-2012, 07:13 AM	#48
Zom Experienced Mage Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Madrid Posts: 61	What about Mistblade Shinobi for Faeries? Is it a 1/1 too weak for the current meta? or just not that good __________________ I play Legacy Combo Elves & casual
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04-03-2012, 07:32 AM	#49
BonSequitur Archmage Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 897	It's very mediocre in noncreature match-ups, and just not that good. Importantly, most ninjas only ever get to hit once (Because they have no evasion and being hit by one sucks). Getting to draw a card is just a lot better than bouncing something. __________________ Like Pauper? Like saying "no?" Read the 8-Post Primer! The cycle of MTGSalvation: "Wizards hates combo!" "Wizards hates control!" "Wizards hates Aggro!"
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04-03-2012, 01:43 PM	#51
Zom Experienced Mage Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Madrid Posts: 61	And what about Errant Ephemeron in a classic MUC deck? Zephyr Spirite? Lets see if I manage to name some useful cards :P __________________ I play Legacy Combo Elves & casual Last edited by Zom; 04-03-2012 at 02:19 PM.
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04-11-2012, 04:06 AM	#53
spandy Wizard Mentor Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 581	I'm running a crazy build with Unstable Mutations and Drifter Il-Dals. Taking it to a Pauper tournament this weekend, will report results.
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04-16-2012, 06:12 AM	#55
MOKAONE Ascended Mage Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Italy Posts: 270	due to the increasing number of green stompy and green infect decks on pauper (and both are really competitive is obvious) does any one tried any coast watcher on sideboard ??? __________________ MTGO: only_play_pauper I apologize for my english that sometimes is uncorrect but is not my mother language so i make mistakes
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04-27-2012, 11:49 PM	#57
SuperSaiyanXMike Resident Planeswalker Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 3,780	Im interested in getting involved in Pauper, mainly because I came across this archetype. It appears to be a top tier deck. Any tips on playing and building the deck? MTGO seems to be the only place to play Pauper, sadly. Its free, right? All I have to do is pay for the cards and I can begin playing in dailies?
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04-28-2012, 02:00 AM	#58
Hamster1800 Just Getting Started Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 18	I would recommend starting with a successful list from a recent daily (Here along the right), then testing it in the practice room to get used to how it functions and maybe make a few changes. You might see two similar styles of decks popping up. The more popular is the one that this thread highlights, and is the creature heavy mono blue aggro-control deck. There is also a mono blue control list that runs similar cards, but plays extremely differently (they play many more counterspells and many fewer creatures). If the list you find has bears and ninjas, that's the deck that this thread is about. I don't think you can say that MTGO is in any sense free. You pay to make an account, you pay to buy the cards, and then you pay 6 tickets to enter each event. The best analogy I've heard (I forget where this is from): playing MTGO is just like playing in a games store that happens to be located on the internet. You can find the schedule for daily events online, or in the client under the scheduled events tab. I have a question for others who have been running this deck. Recently, there's been a rise of a variant of white weenie that has been giving me a lot of trouble. It's essentially tribal soldiers using lords to make their creatures a lot bigger (example list). The main reasons that I've been having trouble are: 1. They run 12 1-drops that target things (deftblade, lawkeeper, javelineers) making phantasmal bear extremely bad. 2. Their ground guys get past 2 toughness extremely quickly, since they have 8 toughness boosting lords at 2 mana, so it's very difficult to make good blocks since you often have to double block to kill a creature. This also makes your ninjas very bad. Essentially, they pretty much force you to take out the bears and ninjas, and it's difficult to find 8 cards in the board that aren't blank against them. My board play thus far is to bring in more bounce, since a good bounce can cause you to have much better blocks than they anticipated, and to play more spire golems and stitched drakes (I've upped my count to 4 spires, 2 stitched in the main + 2 stitched in the side). Has anyone else played against this deck and have insights on cards that would be useful to have for the matchup?
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04-28-2012, 08:02 AM	#60
SuperSaiyanXMike Resident Planeswalker Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 3,780	Thanks for the detailed response. I guess I should have just asked this: How much actual money (USD) will it cost me to get an account up and running with a Delver list? What is the tickets to dollar ratio? Perhaps Gigadrowse can help fight WW decks?
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