Hey all, I'm in the new house but lack Internet. Should have it soon. I'm a few days behind but my top suspects from when I left off where Vitek, Zenjo and Quietfish (I think) in that order.
My townies were Foxlet for her scum hunting and pro town mindset, Iso for the same, Gricky and IB for being claimed Masons.
I know this post lacks a lot of substance. I don't know that I'll be able to dive back in in full until Monday evening. If you all would prefer I replace shoot me a pm or post in thread and let me know. I really don't want to be a hinderance. I'm going to re read and do some phone posts if I can between putting all this s*** away.
I think that might be good enough for me. I'd rather you not replace and if we lynch that will give you time to catch up. If you get a chance to post more thoughts or reasoning before that happens, I would hope that you do. Posting from a phone is no fun, but better than not posting at all.
What's everyone else think on this matter?
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Last post before heading home from work but I would rather not have Eron replace out, as it would disrupt the flow of the game but sometimes stuff happens and RL takes priority.
If he has time for a bit of reasoning prior to N1, even via phone posting that would be great. Otherwise, if we go through with Viteks lynch that will give him some breathing room as well.
I never said there was nothing and I always it became non-serious by unvoting.
Yeah, I know it's nothing personal. You have quite irritating playstyle but it's not my main problem. I am tired of you all thinking I am an idiot and not taking any single thing I say seriously.
I'll add my T/S list. Do with it whatever you want.
Town
Vítek - Whatever.
infectuosbaloth - Mason.
GrickyTimmick - Mason no. 2.
Foxlet - I like her approach.
Zenjo - I don't see problem with him.
Prophylaxis - Invisible.
ErontheRelentless - No reads.
quietfish - Hmmm, not sure.
LuckNorris - Flailing, angry, scum
Iso -I never played with him but he seems quite scummy. Stupid useless trap, tunelling.
Wheat_Grinder - although he is lying low I have really bad feeling about him.
Kahedron - Scum Scum
And with this I am signing off. See ya! Good luck town, good luck mafia, etc.
I know everyone is pretty sold on Vitek but this post puts Proph as "invisible" almost right after Proph messed up the masons and barned Iso. I think this is an attempt to distance from each other. Proph was clearly not invisible at this point.
I think Vitek and Zenjo based on everything that has happened and add in Proph and you have your scum team. Everything I have read says that scum don't need to read as in depth as town do. Clearly Proph didn't dig in. I don't know if that is his normal play style (he didn't do a whole lot in Modern Family Mafia before getting lynched) but these two things combined seem scum team to me. More to come as I get a chance.
It's been nearly a day since meaningful posts. Eron has done his best to let us know where he stands. I think if anyone had anything else to say, it would have been said by now.
Anyone without a vote on the wagon, feel free to hammer away.
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Ha. I see what you did there. Do you really think that just because I cased you for all the scummy things you've done in this game, that means that I must be scum that just knows you are town? If you do flip town, hopefully this game serves as a lesson to you that just because someone writes up a case on you it doesn't mean they are scum. If it was a poorly thought out case or you had not actually done anything scummy, that would be an appropriate observation, but otherwise it's OMGUS with nothing to back it up.
Also, I see you are still openly calling yourself town every chance you get. Every post, there's a "HEY! I'M TOWN" comment sewn into it somewhere.
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Not Voting (3): EronTheRelentless, Prophylaxis, infectiousbaloth
With 12 alive, it is 7 to lynch.
That's a lynch.
It was late in the evening when Jamlin d'Gaar was summoned to the courts of Avila, with seven testimonies speaking of her guilt.
"What's going on here?" the panda girl asked, confused as she stood in the sentencing courtroom.
The high judge spoke firmly, "Your peers have provided enough proof of your treason to Di'Ahla. You have conspired with Lyscilla to falsify our elections. You have disgraced the traditions of Lady Ahla, and for that, you must face permanent exile."
Jamlin was shocked. "Exile? You must have the wrong girl. I'm not interested in that Lyscilla lady at all."
But there was no response. The guards took her away, sending her out the eastern gate that very night, never to return.
Vitek, Jamlin d'Gaar, vanilla town, has been exiled.
It is now night 1. Get your night actions to me within 72 hours.
Last night, critical information reached Guild Avila's courtroom, with overwhelming evidence in favor of one suspect's innocence.
infectiousbaloth, Pen Jiri, town mason, has been proven not guilty and is no longer under suspicion. She laughs at the idea that she could have ever been acting in tandem with Lyscilla and does not return to these "silly Di'Ahlan conferences."
There is still a conspiracy to prove. The evidence presented to the courts has not been damning enough, and there's only a few days left until the Day of Ascension.
Town
GrickyMason - Obviously my mod confirmed mason buddy.
Iso - I don't care if you can't be meta'd; this is your town meta.
Foxlet - Gut
Kahedron - Some posts feel a little tip-toey, I don't know your meta.
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Wheatums - I always find you scummy, need to see more content
Prophylaxis - Need more content.
Eron the Relentless - Need more content.
LuckNorris - Poor language, awkward play. Need to see more.
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Vitek - Scummy play overall, a number of weak tells
Quietfish - Reasons given previously
Zenjo - Obvscum is obviously scum
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Ok, so here was IB's most recent list. I think we can reasonably assume that at least Zenjo or QF would have the most to gain from IB's death. Although this may be WIFOM because he was also a claimed Mason which proved true.
That puts Gricky at as close to confirmed town as we can get without him being dead.
With Vitek being a dead town but everyone at least thinking there was a very good chance he is scum I don't think we can draw a lot from his death.
Well, I'm mad at giving in on Vitek. I knew that trap was a complete nothing and his wagon was awful. His posts after that though...:/ I should have let the last one sway me back though. Sorry Vitek...
Here's why I said I think Kahedron is town (the reasoning I was uncomfortable sharing)
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Whilst the pool as gotten smaller the number of roles has gotten smaller as well if they are hunting the third. Previously it was 1/3 ish presuming there are 3 power roles (3 PR in 9 town) now it is 1 PR in 7 potential town slots.
In terms of just pure numbers unless they get lucky and we run the third power role up to claim range there is no guarentee of getting it and every miss reduces the amount of places the scum can hide as we start being able to examine bodybags.
With the claim there are only 10 people who can be scum and with a lynch and NK that will go down to 8 or even lower if there is some kind of NK role on the town team tomorrow if they leave the mason pair alone.
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Brilliant misleading. AFAIK masons rarely count as 2 power roles, rather as 1 together. This entire post is making it seem like scum's optimal play was to kill a mason -- it wasn't. With 2 claimed masons, we had precisely 0 confirmed townies. With 1 dead mason, we have 1 confirmed townie. This worked, and the scum killed a mason -- which is great for us. Drew fire away from power roles and confirmed a townie. I could not be happier with that NK. Hence, I think Kahedron is town.
As for who i think is Scum: I have to reread. Soon.
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Speaking strictly for myself, I was waffling on Vitek being town and scum yesterDay. My reads went from being totally scummy to frustrated town pretty frequently.
I don't know that I'm comfortable drawing conclusions on his lynch until I hear more opinions.
I think quietfish knew Vitek was town the whole time - his posts at the end of Day 1 strongly imply that.
Vote quietfish
On top of that, no, the Masons are typically counted as 2 PRs in a Basic - it automatically confirms 2 town, so it's pretty powerful.
I agree here. However, Vitek popping town really threw me off of all my reads. I'm all second guessy right now. I get this overwhelming feeling like all the scum are opportunistic experienced players and the town is just making mistake after mistake. GAH! It's driving me insane.
A question or two, regarding yesterday's actions.
@Iso: Regarding the trap, what made you choose Foxlet as the target early on?
@QuietFish: Seeing as how your entire day yesterday was spent either in the defense of Vitek or reluctantly voting him, what made you think he was town?
I'm trying to think of more. Gotta reread again.
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@Iso: Regarding the trap, what made you choose Foxlet as the target early on?
She has one completed game on the site and, as such, no strongly established meta. Plus I felt most comfortable performing said trap on her as I know her IRL and as such would be able to gauge her reaction to it better than anyone else's reaction.
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@ Eron, I started leaning townish on Vitek towards the end only because, as I mentioned before. He started making sense. I didn't consider it an "emotional" plea, he just read to me exactly the same as chicken from Cirque if you remember that I didn't change my vote because as I mentioned previously, there comes a point where you have to cut your losses.
@ Gricky, I'm pretty sure the scum have at least one strong player/experienced player on their team, perhaps a couple. Yes, consider me looking directly at Iso, Wheaties and Kah. (I did not put Proph in there even though I know he's been around because while I do have something of a gut feel on him as scum, he said he is on V/LA until today).
@Qfish - Pardon me, but what are you thinking? You are HAPPY IB is dead? But wait! Only because it confirmed their mason story...right! PERFECT reason to want a town PR dead. So instead of having 2 town PR, that could talk and conspire and whatever they could do, we have one that can do a big fat nada. Incidentally, He'll likely not live the Night because...oh, right he's the only other confirmed PR. If you wanted to have townies die to confirm they are indeed town, how bout we all just mass claim and let the scum cherry pick their targets for the night so we can all be "confirmed town" then <sarcasm>
Killing town to confirm they are town, does not seem to be a good town mindset to have.
Incidentally Vote quietfish
I will admit 100% I don't see the power of the mason over other PR. I even talked to my mentor about it (and read about it). My knowledge is better, but still fuzzy just due to no real experience with them as yet. After my discussion with my mentor I figured IF the scum was going to try and take out the mason team N1 (which was a logical assumption based on my conversation)...then ideally they would want to take out Gricky since he posts the most content BUT, since they don't know if we have a doc variant (and several posts back Iso pretty much said if there was one to protect Gricky), then they would need to target IB. I know it's a bit WIFOM....but that's what I was thinking if IB turned up as the NK.
I also want to add here, that one of the other reasons I was willing to wait to see how Gricky & IB's claim panned out (prior to them actually claiming mason) was this. If they were scum they would still be alive, they they were indeed a PR of sorts, the real scum team would try to take them out as a PR...and look what happened. Granted, this was AFTER the mason claim, but still, this was why I was willing to give the two of them at least a night "free", even as suspicious as I am
QFish was trying to start something on Gricky which is what first made me suspicious of him. Given that, and the statements to date, it makes me even more suspicious of him.
@Wheaties - What makes you think QFish is not very scummy vs Zenjo?
Personally, I think Zenjo is scummy, but I can only compare it to our last game together where he was scum. He isn't playing exactly the same (and hasn't been posting as much).
I'm still not convinced on Qfish, but Zenjo has been scummy.
Wheatums dearest, I concur with Foxlet give us some specifics on Zeno would you. I agree he has been ringing alarm bells but this is close to a reasonless vote. Much like your eventual vote for Vitek iirc you said you could see the case for it then just voted him when Iso mentioned there being a towney reason for the GT/Yuri/IB connection.
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Sorry, been distracted. I'll try to do that later on tonight. Otherwise my content will be low until finals are over, apologies all (they end on the 12th.)
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Bah got distracted last night. Today is the prerelease (hopefully, gotta talk to my buddy to find out for sure), but I don't have anything in the way of homework this weekend so if I don't get it up by Sunday, lynch me.
Bah got distracted last night. Today is the prerelease (hopefully, gotta talk to my buddy to find out for sure), but I don't have anything in the way of homework this weekend so if I don't get it up by Sunday, lynch me.
I think we need to get this thing picked back up. I'm Vote: Zenjo.
Zenjo has been fairly inconsistent this game and his play as Foxlet mentioned reminds me of Cirque. Although in day 1 he posted more, it was the same posting style and his reads haven't been very in depth. To me this seems as though he was giving himself some wiggle room.
I'm rethinking my Proph is scum line of thought that I had day 1. I tied him in with Vitek a little and due to Tek flipping town it has moved Proph back neutral.
Bah got distracted last night. Today is the prerelease (hopefully, gotta talk to my buddy to find out for sure), but I don't have anything in the way of homework this weekend so if I don't get it up by Sunday, lynch me.
I see it as more of a scum thing to say, but only by a little. There's really no pressure on the guy, so his request is a bit abnormal. Even if he didn't get the post up by sunday, without that lynch request, people would probably just call lurking and false promises of content and begin to dig deeper on W_G. With the lynch request, I'm more than happy to oblige. Call it a gut feeling that W_G just scumslipped.
I think we need to get this thing picked back up. I'm Vote: Zenjo.
Zenjo has been fairly inconsistent this game and his play as Foxlet mentioned reminds me of Cirque. Although in day 1 he posted more, it was the same posting style and his reads haven't been very in depth. To me this seems as though he was giving himself some wiggle room.
I'm rethinking my Proph is scum line of thought that I had day 1. I tied him in with Vitek a little and due to Tek flipping town it has moved Proph back neutral.
I agree that things are stagnant right now, but a hasty vote on Zenjo for some generalized reasons are not the answer. I'm currently throwing meta analysis out the window on Zenjo, mostly because he's only ever been scum. While that would seem to be helpful, it's actually going to hurt the town because his only playstyle he's ever known is scum. He could very easily be town here and we just don't know any different. Zenjo is an easy lynch for the scum when meta analysis gets thrown in.
I guess what I'm saying is, if you are voting Zenjo, gimme a good reason of your own with evidence to support it.
Also, where can I find your Proph reads from day one? I get lost in the sea o' posts.
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I know everyone is pretty sold on Vitek but this post puts Proph as "invisible" almost right after Proph messed up the masons and barned Iso. I think this is an attempt to distance from each other. Proph was clearly not invisible at this point.
I think Vitek and Zenjo based on everything that has happened and add in Proph and you have your scum team. Everything I have read says that scum don't need to read as in depth as town do. Clearly Proph didn't dig in. I don't know if that is his normal play style (he didn't do a whole lot in Modern Family Mafia before getting lynched) but these two things combined seem scum team to me. More to come as I get a chance.
Here is what I had on Proph day 1.
I'll re read Zenjo so I can remember why I had him as scummy and post that in a little bit.
First we have a scum/town list with no reasons attached. This provides him an out to insert any reasons mentioned by any other player but can claim "I told you so" if questioned about it.
Well there are only 3 weeks left of school, so I have been very busy doing final projects and studying more so I can be sure to get better grades :D. During Cirque I had a lot more freetime (except when I disappeared for a few days due to having to study for three tests that week).
Umm. Where are you at with Vitek then? You think he is just frustrated townie? And what did you mean "I think I"?
There's a little bit in post 166. I can give reasons if you want, but they have been mentioned by others already. This is the problem with being really busy with homework and studying. By the time I get on mafia, all the good stuff is already pointed out. Though, I'm going to try and be more active in the game starting now.
Providing himself another out. Essentially clearing himself to barn other people's reasons at any time because the good ones were already taken.
I wasn't attacking him for not scumhunting. It was because he said he was not scum because he was scumhunting. It rubbed me the wrong way is all because scum can scumhunt too. Though he said he makes comments like that all the time, so now I consider it a null tell.
This post is extremely wishy washy. He attacks a player for claiming to not be scum due to his scum hunting but in the same paragraph decides that it is a null tell. AND he only decided it was a null tell because the player in question TOLD him so.
Those are a few examples, but Zenjo's post are littered with them if you go back through.
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Well in the above I think the fact that he hasn't provided his reasoning on his town/scum list so he could have an out. Also his post about always being last on gives him the ability to barn without providing his reasoning.
Mm. So you think he's scum laying low because he isn't providing any original content and is letting others take the blame by leaving himself the ability to say, "Well I was just following the lead"?
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As much as Qfish looks scummy, I really don't like Iso right now.
Sure infectiousbaloth (a confirmed town) said he was townie, but how?
He set up a trap (that failed), waited for someone to step on in and just watched the wagon grow. He caught a townie (one that was playing poorly) and just went with it.
Also, weren't you supposed to vote for me today? You said unless we were lynching Zenjo, you were going to go for me. What happened? Instead you start a wagon on Quietfish, (who does look scummy).
There're a few problems with your reasoning. Firstly, there was no way for me to know that Vitek was actually town. His entire line of responses to me seemed fabricated, and his reactions under pressure were even worse. Secondly, I didn't just watch the wagon grow. I actively contributed to it, though Gricky took a larger initiative in pushing Vitek than I did. And yeah, I was going to be voting for you or Zenjo, but then quietfish adopted "scum" as a middle name near the end of Day 1. Why is it a problem to you that I started a wagon on quietfish if you think he's scummy? That just looks like you're giving yourself a way to jump on his wagon if you think it gets enough momentum (which you should probably have contention with, anyway, if you think I'm scum). You think he's scummy but you're voting me? This reeks of delayed OMGUS.
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There're a few problems with your reasoning. Firstly, there was no way for me to know that Vitek was actually town. His entire line of responses to me seemed fabricated, and his reactions under pressure were even worse. Secondly, I didn't just watch the wagon grow. I actively contributed to it, though Gricky took a larger initiative in pushing Vitek than I did. And yeah, I was going to be voting for you or Zenjo, but then quietfish adopted "scum" as a middle name near the end of Day 1. Why is it a problem to you that I started a wagon on quietfish if you think he's scummy? That just looks like you're giving yourself a way to jump on his wagon if you think it gets enough momentum (which you should probably have contention with, anyway, if you think I'm scum). You think he's scummy but you're voting me? This reeks of delayed OMGUS.
Sure you may not have known that Vitek was scum, but you still set the trap that a townie fell in to.
Also actively contributing to it is a bit of a stretch, but you do admit that others were bigger pushers than you which is true.
Sure, you voting Qfish instead of me because of his comments near the end of day one may be true. But absolutely no mention of me at all is what put up a red flag. You were so adamant of my lynch Day 1 is that it seems strange to just nonchalantly vote Quietfish without saying anything about me.
I do think Quetfish is scummy, but you may be starting a wagon on him to distance yourself from him. You knew people would vote for Qfish, so you started a wagon so later if he turns out scum (he probably will) you could say that you were the first pusher of his wagon.
Mm. So you think he's scum laying low because he isn't providing any original content and is letting others take the blame by leaving himself the ability to say, "Well I was just following the lead"?
Sure you may not have known that Vitek was scum, but you still set the trap that a townie fell in to.
Okay, so if I didn't know Vitek was town (nice typo, but for it, you get town points), how is that a point against me?
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Also actively contributing to it is a bit of a stretch, but you do admit that others were bigger pushers than you which is true.
Point out to me where I DIDN'T actively contribute to the Vitek lynch. (Yes, I'm using being a driving force in a mislynch as an argument for why I'm town - so sue me.)
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Sure, you voting Qfish instead of me because of his comments near the end of day one may be true. But absolutely no mention of me at all is what put up a red flag. You were so adamant of my lynch Day 1 is that it seems strange to just nonchalantly vote Quietfish without saying anything about me.
If it makes you feel any better, I still think you're scum. Don't worry, you'll still get your turn if I'm alive tomorrow and quietfish hasn't been lynched yet.
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I do think Quetfish is scummy, but you may be starting a wagon on him to distance yourself from him. You knew people would vote for Qfish, so you started a wagon so later if he turns out scum (he probably will) you could say that you were the first pusher of his wagon.
- But if the momentum of the town is leaning towards lynching Zenjo or Wheaties right now (IIRC), then why would I need to start the wagon on qf toDay instead of hopping on scumZenjo's wagon? (I probably will eventually if enough people decide qf isn't worth a lynch toDay.)
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Up to post 166: Very little content, dodges questions several times. +scum
Post 166: Finally some content, and even raises a few valid points.
I'll take this opportunity to say that Iso seems to be slightly off during this as well. Zenjo keeps saying that Iso's scumhunting isn't necessarily townie, and Iso takes it to mean that Zenjo says he's not scumhunting. I'm not sure that makes Iso scum though. Kah does the same a few times as well, both to Zenjo and I. For that and other reasons I'd say that Iso and Kah are the same alignment. Right now I think that's town. I'd also bet Zenjo is the opposite alignment, but on that I'm not quite so sure.
Post 259: No reasons on the scumlist. Not scummy per say, but I'm not a fan of it. What is scummy, like I said in the very next post, is how similar it was to the list he posted in Cirque du Freak, where he was scum.
Post 303: I might not have any room to complain here given I've done the same thing a little bit this game, but he admits to just barning the reasons of others.
Post 405: Yet another reasonless scumlist. This time I'd say +scum since we went over the need for reasons.
And...that's where it ends. He hasn't posted in 11 days (though we went into night, he hasn't posted Day 2 at all, and that started like 4 days ago).
@Mod: Requesting a prod on Zenjo
Not a fan of Zenjo for lack of content, reasoning, and dodging questions. Of all the posts, only 166 and one in the 300's had any decent content. Furthermore, his scumlist is nearly an exact mirror of Cirque.
I don't think we are lynching Zenjo today, that is to say that I don't think we should and I'll fight his lynch. Not because I think he's town, I'm actually pretty neutral on him after what W_G pointed out. I will fight his lynch because it's too easy. The Zenjo wagon is an easy mislynch for scum to push, if he is a townie. His recent lurking and overall lack of content in this game might be a bad sign, but it's poor reasoning by itself to lynch a guy.
I say we let Zenjo be for a day or two and pursue more active targets. Players who have given reads and posted in the last 48 hours.
That being said, I'm really really not liking W_G at all. That mini-case on Zenjo just now was full of bad reasons to lynch a guy. The post reads like a weak attempt to goad the town into their blind popular vote. People keep saying "blah blah Zenjo scum blah blah" without posting evidence or providing a clear insight to their reasoning. W_G posts a few blips which basically sums up as "lurky, low content" and labels it the case against Zenjo. It's so small, why not just post quotes? I just don't like it.
Eron looks slightly worse for similar reasons, such as weak reasons for pushing a lynch. However, he was willing to work with Iso and explain himself a little better. Doesn't look good about Eron, but it's not the end of the world.
Iso is also guilty of pushing easy lynches. His main three targeted are QF, LN and Zenjo. However, in Iso's defense, he's had them as main suspects for a long time. He's also not really tunnelvisioned in on any single one. Could be dedicated townie who happens to be noticing that half the town is acting like scum, or just crafty scum who happens to be noticing that half the town is acting like scum.
Either way, half the town is acting like scum right now. It makes me very wary.
Recap: Put Zenjo on the backburner. Chase leads with more content, lets see what we can find. If we search and search with no results we can lynch Zenjo, or if are pressed for a deadline, we can lynch Zenjo. I just don't feel like coming to that conclusion on a lurky player this early into day 2. We need to catch scum today, lets take whatever time we need to make sure that we do.
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If you weren't confirmed town, I would have definitely called you out on your reads.
Like I said, half the town looks scummy. I'm not saying any of them are not scum, I'm saying lets take our time and make the right choice. I get the sense that this day is being rushed.
Also, since my reads and your reads have been mostly the same throughout this game (LN, Zenjo, QF, Vitek), you would only be attacking yourself. I'm calling this remark hypocritical.
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I think that might be good enough for me. I'd rather you not replace and if we lynch that will give you time to catch up. If you get a chance to post more thoughts or reasoning before that happens, I would hope that you do. Posting from a phone is no fun, but better than not posting at all.
What's everyone else think on this matter?
If he has time for a bit of reasoning prior to N1, even via phone posting that would be great. Otherwise, if we go through with Viteks lynch that will give him some breathing room as well.
I know everyone is pretty sold on Vitek but this post puts Proph as "invisible" almost right after Proph messed up the masons and barned Iso. I think this is an attempt to distance from each other. Proph was clearly not invisible at this point.
I think Vitek and Zenjo based on everything that has happened and add in Proph and you have your scum team. Everything I have read says that scum don't need to read as in depth as town do. Clearly Proph didn't dig in. I don't know if that is his normal play style (he didn't do a whole lot in Modern Family Mafia before getting lynched) but these two things combined seem scum team to me. More to come as I get a chance.
Midnight for me is 5 hr 20 min from now
Anyone without a vote on the wagon, feel free to hammer away.
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Ha. I see what you did there. Do you really think that just because I cased you for all the scummy things you've done in this game, that means that I must be scum that just knows you are town? If you do flip town, hopefully this game serves as a lesson to you that just because someone writes up a case on you it doesn't mean they are scum. If it was a poorly thought out case or you had not actually done anything scummy, that would be an appropriate observation, but otherwise it's OMGUS with nothing to back it up.
Also, I see you are still openly calling yourself town every chance you get. Every post, there's a "HEY! I'M TOWN" comment sewn into it somewhere.
Sorry guys. I will be back on Thursday to do more analysis.
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I changed it to something more appropiate.
Sorry im late
Vitek (7): Iso, GrickyTimmick, Kahedron, LuckNorris, Wheat_Grinder, Foxlet, quietfish
Kahedron (1): Vitek
Quietfish (1): Zenjo
Not Voting (3): EronTheRelentless, Prophylaxis, infectiousbaloth
With 12 alive, it is 7 to lynch.
That's a lynch.
It was late in the evening when Jamlin d'Gaar was summoned to the courts of Avila, with seven testimonies speaking of her guilt.
"What's going on here?" the panda girl asked, confused as she stood in the sentencing courtroom.
The high judge spoke firmly, "Your peers have provided enough proof of your treason to Di'Ahla. You have conspired with Lyscilla to falsify our elections. You have disgraced the traditions of Lady Ahla, and for that, you must face permanent exile."
Jamlin was shocked. "Exile? You must have the wrong girl. I'm not interested in that Lyscilla lady at all."
But there was no response. The guards took her away, sending her out the eastern gate that very night, never to return.
Vitek, Jamlin d'Gaar, vanilla town, has been exiled.
It is now night 1. Get your night actions to me within 72 hours.
infectiousbaloth, Pen Jiri, town mason, has been proven not guilty and is no longer under suspicion. She laughs at the idea that she could have ever been acting in tandem with Lyscilla and does not return to these "silly Di'Ahlan conferences."
There is still a conspiracy to prove. The evidence presented to the courts has not been damning enough, and there's only a few days left until the Day of Ascension.
It is now Day 2. With 10 alive, it is 6 to lynch.
Ok, so here was IB's most recent list. I think we can reasonably assume that at least Zenjo or QF would have the most to gain from IB's death. Although this may be WIFOM because he was also a claimed Mason which proved true.
That puts Gricky at as close to confirmed town as we can get without him being dead.
With Vitek being a dead town but everyone at least thinking there was a very good chance he is scum I don't think we can draw a lot from his death.
My main suspect at this point is now Zenjo.
Here's why I said I think Kahedron is town (the reasoning I was uncomfortable sharing)
Brilliant misleading. AFAIK masons rarely count as 2 power roles, rather as 1 together. This entire post is making it seem like scum's optimal play was to kill a mason -- it wasn't. With 2 claimed masons, we had precisely 0 confirmed townies. With 1 dead mason, we have 1 confirmed townie. This worked, and the scum killed a mason -- which is great for us. Drew fire away from power roles and confirmed a townie. I could not be happier with that NK. Hence, I think Kahedron is town.
As for who i think is Scum: I have to reread. Soon.
Go town! <3
Vote quietfish
On top of that, no, the Masons are typically counted as 2 PRs in a Basic - it automatically confirms 2 town, so it's pretty powerful.
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I don't know that I'm comfortable drawing conclusions on his lynch until I hear more opinions.
I'm still not convinced on Qfish, but Zenjo has been scummy.
I agree here. However, Vitek popping town really threw me off of all my reads. I'm all second guessy right now. I get this overwhelming feeling like all the scum are opportunistic experienced players and the town is just making mistake after mistake. GAH! It's driving me insane.
A question or two, regarding yesterday's actions.
@Iso: Regarding the trap, what made you choose Foxlet as the target early on?
@QuietFish: Seeing as how your entire day yesterday was spent either in the defense of Vitek or reluctantly voting him, what made you think he was town?
I'm trying to think of more. Gotta reread again.
She has one completed game on the site and, as such, no strongly established meta. Plus I felt most comfortable performing said trap on her as I know her IRL and as such would be able to gauge her reaction to it better than anyone else's reaction.
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@ Gricky, I'm pretty sure the scum have at least one strong player/experienced player on their team, perhaps a couple. Yes, consider me looking directly at Iso, Wheaties and Kah. (I did not put Proph in there even though I know he's been around because while I do have something of a gut feel on him as scum, he said he is on V/LA until today).
@Qfish - Pardon me, but what are you thinking? You are HAPPY IB is dead? But wait! Only because it confirmed their mason story...right! PERFECT reason to want a town PR dead. So instead of having 2 town PR, that could talk and conspire and whatever they could do, we have one that can do a big fat nada. Incidentally, He'll likely not live the Night because...oh, right he's the only other confirmed PR. If you wanted to have townies die to confirm they are indeed town, how bout we all just mass claim and let the scum cherry pick their targets for the night so we can all be "confirmed town" then <sarcasm>
Killing town to confirm they are town, does not seem to be a good town mindset to have.
Incidentally Vote quietfish
I will admit 100% I don't see the power of the mason over other PR. I even talked to my mentor about it (and read about it). My knowledge is better, but still fuzzy just due to no real experience with them as yet. After my discussion with my mentor I figured IF the scum was going to try and take out the mason team N1 (which was a logical assumption based on my conversation)...then ideally they would want to take out Gricky since he posts the most content BUT, since they don't know if we have a doc variant (and several posts back Iso pretty much said if there was one to protect Gricky), then they would need to target IB. I know it's a bit WIFOM....but that's what I was thinking if IB turned up as the NK.
I also want to add here, that one of the other reasons I was willing to wait to see how Gricky & IB's claim panned out (prior to them actually claiming mason) was this. If they were scum they would still be alive, they they were indeed a PR of sorts, the real scum team would try to take them out as a PR...and look what happened. Granted, this was AFTER the mason claim, but still, this was why I was willing to give the two of them at least a night "free", even as suspicious as I am
QFish was trying to start something on Gricky which is what first made me suspicious of him. Given that, and the statements to date, it makes me even more suspicious of him.
@Wheaties - What makes you think QFish is not very scummy vs Zenjo?
Personally, I think Zenjo is scummy, but I can only compare it to our last game together where he was scum. He isn't playing exactly the same (and hasn't been posting as much).
I also agree with Gricky, I need to re-read
Wheatums dearest, I concur with Foxlet give us some specifics on Zeno would you. I agree he has been ringing alarm bells but this is close to a reasonless vote. Much like your eventual vote for Vitek iirc you said you could see the case for it then just voted him when Iso mentioned there being a towney reason for the GT/Yuri/IB connection.
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Bah got distracted last night. Today is the prerelease (hopefully, gotta talk to my buddy to find out for sure), but I don't have anything in the way of homework this weekend so if I don't get it up by Sunday, lynch me.
Would a scum typically say something like that?
Not usually, but as a town player wouldn't usually say it whilst under no pressure either it is a null tell.
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Zenjo has been fairly inconsistent this game and his play as Foxlet mentioned reminds me of Cirque. Although in day 1 he posted more, it was the same posting style and his reads haven't been very in depth. To me this seems as though he was giving himself some wiggle room.
I'm rethinking my Proph is scum line of thought that I had day 1. I tied him in with Vitek a little and due to Tek flipping town it has moved Proph back neutral.
You got it captain.
I see it as more of a scum thing to say, but only by a little. There's really no pressure on the guy, so his request is a bit abnormal. Even if he didn't get the post up by sunday, without that lynch request, people would probably just call lurking and false promises of content and begin to dig deeper on W_G. With the lynch request, I'm more than happy to oblige. Call it a gut feeling that W_G just scumslipped.
I agree that things are stagnant right now, but a hasty vote on Zenjo for some generalized reasons are not the answer. I'm currently throwing meta analysis out the window on Zenjo, mostly because he's only ever been scum. While that would seem to be helpful, it's actually going to hurt the town because his only playstyle he's ever known is scum. He could very easily be town here and we just don't know any different. Zenjo is an easy lynch for the scum when meta analysis gets thrown in.
I guess what I'm saying is, if you are voting Zenjo, gimme a good reason of your own with evidence to support it.
Also, where can I find your Proph reads from day one? I get lost in the sea o' posts.
Here is what I had on Proph day 1.
I'll re read Zenjo so I can remember why I had him as scummy and post that in a little bit.
First we have a scum/town list with no reasons attached. This provides him an out to insert any reasons mentioned by any other player but can claim "I told you so" if questioned about it.
Providing himself another out. Essentially clearing himself to barn other people's reasons at any time because the good ones were already taken.
This post is extremely wishy washy. He attacks a player for claiming to not be scum due to his scum hunting but in the same paragraph decides that it is a null tell. AND he only decided it was a null tell because the player in question TOLD him so.
Those are a few examples, but Zenjo's post are littered with them if you go back through.
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Gun to my head - leaving himself outs. I think it sets up excuses for later.
Not trick questions, just looking for honest answers.
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Sure infectiousbaloth (a confirmed town) said he was townie, but how?
He set up a trap (that failed), waited for someone to step on in and just watched the wagon grow. He caught a townie (one that was playing poorly) and just went with it.
Also, weren't you supposed to vote for me today? You said unless we were lynching Zenjo, you were going to go for me. What happened? Instead you start a wagon on Quietfish, (who does look scummy).
Vote: Iso.
Something is off here.
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Sure you may not have known that Vitek was scum, but you still set the trap that a townie fell in to.
Also actively contributing to it is a bit of a stretch, but you do admit that others were bigger pushers than you which is true.
Sure, you voting Qfish instead of me because of his comments near the end of day one may be true. But absolutely no mention of me at all is what put up a red flag. You were so adamant of my lynch Day 1 is that it seems strange to just nonchalantly vote Quietfish without saying anything about me.
I do think Quetfish is scummy, but you may be starting a wagon on him to distance yourself from him. You knew people would vote for Qfish, so you started a wagon so later if he turns out scum (he probably will) you could say that you were the first pusher of his wagon.
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Yeah, that's where I was going.
Okay, so if I didn't know Vitek was town (nice typo, but for it, you get town points), how is that a point against me?
Point out to me where I DIDN'T actively contribute to the Vitek lynch. (Yes, I'm using being a driving force in a mislynch as an argument for why I'm town - so sue me.)
If it makes you feel any better, I still think you're scum. Don't worry, you'll still get your turn if I'm alive tomorrow and quietfish hasn't been lynched yet.
- But if the momentum of the town is leaning towards lynching Zenjo or Wheaties right now (IIRC), then why would I need to start the wagon on qf toDay instead of hopping on scumZenjo's wagon? (I probably will eventually if enough people decide qf isn't worth a lynch toDay.)
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Up to post 166: Very little content, dodges questions several times. +scum
Post 166: Finally some content, and even raises a few valid points.
I'll take this opportunity to say that Iso seems to be slightly off during this as well. Zenjo keeps saying that Iso's scumhunting isn't necessarily townie, and Iso takes it to mean that Zenjo says he's not scumhunting. I'm not sure that makes Iso scum though. Kah does the same a few times as well, both to Zenjo and I. For that and other reasons I'd say that Iso and Kah are the same alignment. Right now I think that's town. I'd also bet Zenjo is the opposite alignment, but on that I'm not quite so sure.
Post 259: No reasons on the scumlist. Not scummy per say, but I'm not a fan of it. What is scummy, like I said in the very next post, is how similar it was to the list he posted in Cirque du Freak, where he was scum.
Post 303: I might not have any room to complain here given I've done the same thing a little bit this game, but he admits to just barning the reasons of others.
Post 405: Yet another reasonless scumlist. This time I'd say +scum since we went over the need for reasons.
And...that's where it ends. He hasn't posted in 11 days (though we went into night, he hasn't posted Day 2 at all, and that started like 4 days ago).
@Mod: Requesting a prod on Zenjo
Not a fan of Zenjo for lack of content, reasoning, and dodging questions. Of all the posts, only 166 and one in the 300's had any decent content. Furthermore, his scumlist is nearly an exact mirror of Cirque.
Thus is my case on Zenjo.
quietfish (3): Iso, Foxlet, EronTheRelentless
Zenjo (1): Wheat_Grinder
Iso (1): LuckNorris
Not Voting (5): GrickyTimmick, Kahedron, Prophylaxis, quietfish, Zenjo
With 10 alive, it is 6 to lynch.
Foxlet, Prophylaxis, quietfish, and Zenjo have been prodded.
I'm working on my excel final project right now this second, but I will post more (ie real content) later tonight
I wanted to add a few thoughts about Zenjo as well as Proph at least.
I say we let Zenjo be for a day or two and pursue more active targets. Players who have given reads and posted in the last 48 hours.
That being said, I'm really really not liking W_G at all. That mini-case on Zenjo just now was full of bad reasons to lynch a guy. The post reads like a weak attempt to goad the town into their blind popular vote. People keep saying "blah blah Zenjo scum blah blah" without posting evidence or providing a clear insight to their reasoning. W_G posts a few blips which basically sums up as "lurky, low content" and labels it the case against Zenjo. It's so small, why not just post quotes? I just don't like it.
Eron looks slightly worse for similar reasons, such as weak reasons for pushing a lynch. However, he was willing to work with Iso and explain himself a little better. Doesn't look good about Eron, but it's not the end of the world.
Iso is also guilty of pushing easy lynches. His main three targeted are QF, LN and Zenjo. However, in Iso's defense, he's had them as main suspects for a long time. He's also not really tunnelvisioned in on any single one. Could be dedicated townie who happens to be noticing that half the town is acting like scum, or just crafty scum who happens to be noticing that half the town is acting like scum.
Either way, half the town is acting like scum right now. It makes me very wary.
Recap: Put Zenjo on the backburner. Chase leads with more content, lets see what we can find. If we search and search with no results we can lynch Zenjo, or if are pressed for a deadline, we can lynch Zenjo. I just don't feel like coming to that conclusion on a lurky player this early into day 2. We need to catch scum today, lets take whatever time we need to make sure that we do.
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Like I said, half the town looks scummy. I'm not saying any of them are not scum, I'm saying lets take our time and make the right choice. I get the sense that this day is being rushed.
Also, since my reads and your reads have been mostly the same throughout this game (LN, Zenjo, QF, Vitek), you would only be attacking yourself. I'm calling this remark hypocritical.
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