Now someone should hammer. Soon. If I understand it, if we don't have majority there is a no lynch. It's 3 hours from midnight where I'm at. That's a bit too close for comfort. Hmmrplz.
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Now someone should hammer. Soon. If I understand it, if we don't have majority there is a no lynch. It's 3 hours from midnight where I'm at. That's a bit too close for comfort. Hmmrplz.
We've still got about 24 hours left actually. It's not till midnight of the 18th.
In fact, I believe we have 23 hours left, because it's nearly 1AM Eastern time if I am correcting from CST correctly.
"I'll need someone new. Someone dominant and faithful, someone loyal to a cause," Lyscilla hissed softly at Leavan, nuzzling his cheek.
Leavan rubbed his hand across his muzzle, the point of her words coming across. Sniffing, he straightened up, and she let him go, smiling broadly at him.
"I want to be that leader," he said, the desire to be in charge, to do something important, suddenly swelled to bursting.
"Tomorrow, we're going to welcome all Trainees to my Charm School. I know I'll need you in the future, so make sure to make time for my classes next week." Lyscilla stroked a finger under Leavan's chin, and he lifted his head up high, eyes bright. "You'll need a few lessons before you can start helping me keep everyone in line."
Leavan bowed, eagerly running out the door, tightly locking up his worried feelings.
"Nobody else will give me a chance, I'll take this one," he thought, running swiftly down the path back home. "We'll see who's in charge once this is over."
...
Leavan d'Gaar's connection to Lyscilla was brought forth to the high court that evening, and the evidence was overwhelming.
LuckNorris, Leavan d'Gaar, mafia goon, has been exiled.
It is now Night 2. Get your night actions in to me by May 21st @ 11:59 PM EST.
GrickyTimmick, Fel Onin, town mason, has been proven not guilty and is no longer under suspicion. He wasn't going to show up today anyway. Yesterday was just so boooooring to him.
Leavan was plotting with Lyscilla, but they couldn't have done it alone. The evidence presented to the courts has not been damning enough, and there's only a few days left until the Day of Ascension.
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The question I keep asking myself over and over again: Why didn't Zenjo hammer?
He had plenty of opportunities to do it. He knew from our discussion that the heat was going to be on him. Why didn't he just try to earn some town credits and hammer Luck? Or would that have read as just plan scummy?
I mean, it's not like there was any love between the two. Luck had Zenjo pegged; Zenjo had luck pegged from quite early on. Zenjo, can you answer this:
@ Zenjo: Why didn't you hammer someone who you thought was scummy from Day One?
Town Snoop. Target someone and learn if they perform an action that Night. My ability failed. I'm Jan Sadi, and I'm Lyscilla's head slave - I'm convinced she would never do anything like this, so I've been trying to spy on her to see if she's responsible for this. (This is why I said earlier that I found it unlikely that we'd have more PRs than the Masons - my ability is obviously only useful flavorfully if the town has no activated PRs.) I wanted to make sure Foxlet wasn't hardcore busing LN after he botched his claim for town credit.
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Why and doing what exactly? And your answer better be pretty fantastic.
D2 with all the fishing for my roll information, you were the MOST likely to figure out my role.
Added to that, we know for a fact there are still Scum PR out there, but we DON"T know if there are is another town PR left.
I'd also like to know why Zen didn't hammer as well. But a more concerning question is this... I've been thinking about it, and Luck's self hammer seems as if he wanted us to stop discussion because we were too close to other members of the scum team.
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Town Snoop. Target someone and learn if they perform an action that Night. My ability failed. I'm Jan Sadi, and I'm Lyscilla's head slave - I'm convinced she would never do anything like this, so I've been trying to spy on her to see if she's responsible for this. (This is why I said earlier that I found it unlikely that we'd have more PRs than the Masons - my ability is obviously only useful flavorfully if the town has no activated PRs.) I wanted to make sure Foxlet wasn't hardcore busing LN after he botched his claim for town credit.
Ninja posted:rolleyes:
So, if you are claiming last town PR, who did you target the first night and what were the results?
Of course they failed, that WAS part of my PR
As for the last part, why on earth would I bus LN just out of the blue? I was only *mildly* suspicious of him D1. If it wasn't for his botched claim I would have only been using his lack of protecting the masons as scummyness rather than outing myself.
On Night 1, I targeted quietfish. He didn't do anything.
I realize it failed, but I wanted to know for sure that you weren't bsing since you said your ability informed you when someone targeted you.
As for the last part, LN botched his claim pretty badly, flavorfully and everything. It was only a matter of time before everyone else picked up on it - it could have been an attempt for you to save face by busing your scumbuddy - it was not out of the blue. But obviously you are now confirmed town.
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On Night 1, I targeted quietfish. He didn't do anything.
I realize it failed, but I wanted to know for sure that you weren't bsing since you said your ability informed you when someone targeted you.
As for the last part, LN botched his claim pretty badly, flavorfully and everything. It was only a matter of time before everyone else picked up on it - it could have been an attempt for you to save face by busing your scumbuddy - it was not out of the blue. But obviously you are now confirmed town.
Iso, I think you are FoS...and I don't mean that in the Finger of Suspicion way
Why would you target Qfish when you thought Vitek (whom we lynched), Zen and LN were all scum at the end of D1? For obvious reasons, I don't believe you.
And thanks to you, "confirming me town" with your ploy you've made it easier for me to die.
For the rest of the town, so you are all on the same page. My PR was a ONE SHOT untargetable. I think Iso was on that track with the leading questions he was asking and that's why he targeted me, thus wasting my one shot ability so I can be NK tonight.
Did you miss the whole end of Day 1 wherein quietfish became my prime suspect based on his reactions to the Vitek wagon? Apparently so. I targeted him because LN and Zenjo were the most suspected people on Day 1, and as such, I figured quietfish would be the one performing the Nightkill if he was scum.
In regards to your ability being 1-shot, there was no way for me to know that - but you've just painted a target on yourself by claiming that. Why would you do that?
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Also, I thought you were claiming to be a Commuter/Self-Watcher, so it's ridiculous for you to assume that I would know that you were a 1-Shot Untargetable.
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Luck really didn't stop anything except the banter between Iso and Foxlet.
This could be a tell that Luck thought Iso was getting dangerously close to town fishing.
Or, he was just suicidal. But that doesn't align with "no more discussion".
I know this game can't be broken based upon flavor. So I'm not advocating a soft claim (Affiliation/Species), but with everyone claiming their roles, it would be interesting to see what house everyone is in.
Luck really didn't stop anything except the banter between Iso and Foxlet.
This could be a tell that Luck thought Iso was getting dangerously close to town fishing.
Or, he was just suicidal. But that doesn't align with "no more discussion".
I know this game can't be broken based upon flavor. So I'm not advocating a soft claim (Affiliation/Species), but with everyone claiming their roles, it would be interesting to see what house everyone is in.
That should read, I'm not advocating a mass claim or role claim, just a house claim.
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Also, I thought you were claiming to be a Commuter/Self-Watcher, so it's ridiculous for you to assume that I would know that you were a 1-Shot Untargetable.
Here is where I call BS. You might not know I was ONE shot, but you specifically ask LN if I was targeted or not, that's when I got pretty PO'd about you fishing because you were getting closer to my role info about being untargetable.
The points I'm trying to make is that, with all the information at hand you are trying to say "I don't know about your PR" when I think you had the best chances of knowing out of all the players. Which is why you targeted me last night.
As for you saying I just painted a big target on myself, as the only other outed PR I fully expected to be targeted by the scum team last night and I fully expect to die tonight. I already knew I was a target.
And for the claim...you *think* all the town PR are out? Why would you even consider there still more town PR out there at this point? I'm no mafia expert by far, but I know just enough about game balancing to know that MORE than 4 town PR in a game this size is pushing the limits.
Your argument holds absolutely no weight. Firstly, you're accusing me of backpedaling...FROM SOMETHING I DIDN'T KNOW. It would be backpedaling if I completely changed my mind on something, but I can't decide what your PR is. You're just reaching. I was asking LN if he got a result on you because at that point, I thought you were a Commuter. Then when you said you were informed you were targeted, I thought you were a combination Self-Watcher/Commuter. There is no possible way I could have ascertained you were 1-Shot Untargetable. So no, I'm quite confident that if I didn't put that together, the scum team wouldn't have been able too, either, as Arnnaria had difficulty with figuring out what a Tracker was in my Basic, and Zenjo, who I believe is the other scum, has not shown much forte in the analysis area. You painted a big target on yourself by only claiming to be 1-Shot - Hell, I'm sure most of us would have believed that you were a Commuter/Self-Watcher of some kind. My point is that you're blaming the fact that you put your role information completely out there on me, when it would have been in your best interest to LIE about it.
Next, you're pushing me on the premise that I would have possibly known that you were a 1-Shot Untargetable. That's a feeble argument at best. You are painting my motives as scummy when there was no clear way for me to know your ability, given what I stated I thought I knew about it. Secondly, if I HAD known you were 1-Shot Untargetable, there would have been absolutely no reason for me to come out as the person who targeted you - I would have let you fester in your now-Vanilla state and said nothing about it so as to not draw attention to myself if I were scum.
In conclusion, your theory of me being scum and knowing you were a 1-Shot Untargetable is based on faulty circular logic that only makes sense if I had gone about my actions differently.
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In my defense, I was confused about the breadcrumb and even admitting I was trusting other players with my vote on Luck.
I guess I'm going to have to look all these roles up. Unless someone can explain: commuter and untargetable.
And, please tell me if I'm wrong, but if Foxlet was one-shot, why would the scum take her out if she's vanilla now? I don't see how this paints a target on her chest. Especially if this Foxlet/Iso drama keeps going on. You two are ripping each other to shreds. One of you needs to back down lest grudges start forming.
Your argument holds absolutely no weight. Firstly, you're accusing me of backpedaling...FROM SOMETHING I DIDN'T KNOW. It would be backpedaling if I completely changed my mind on something, but I can't decide what your PR is. You're just reaching. I was asking LN if he got a result on you because at that point, I thought you were a Commuter. Then when you said you were informed you were targeted, I thought you were a combination Self-Watcher/Commuter. There is no possible way I could have ascertained you were 1-Shot Untargetable. So no, I'm quite confident that if I didn't put that together, the scum team wouldn't have been able too, either, as Arnnaria had difficulty with figuring out what a Tracker was in my Basic, and Zenjo, who I believe is the other scum, has not shown much forte in the analysis area. You painted a big target on yourself by only claiming to be 1-Shot - Hell, I'm sure most of us would have believed that you were a Commuter/Self-Watcher of some kind. My point is that you're blaming the fact that you put your role information completely out there on me, when it would have been in your best interest to LIE about it.
Next, you're pushing me on the premise that I would have possibly known that you were a 1-Shot Untargetable. That's a feeble argument at best. You are painting my motives as scummy when there was no clear way for me to know your ability, given what I stated I thought I knew about it. Secondly, if I HAD known you were 1-Shot Untargetable, there would have been absolutely no reason for me to come out as the person who targeted you I would have let you fester in your now-Vanilla state and said nothing about it so as to not draw attention to myself if I were scum.
In conclusion, your theory of me being scum and knowing you were a 1-Shot Untargetable is based on faulty circular logic that only makes sense if I had gone about my actions differently.
As I said before I never said you thought I was a ONE shot... try going back and reading what I actually said.
By your line of questions and what I said in attempts to prove LN was scum, I figured someone (likely on the scum team) would try to prove that I was actually untargetable so they could decide if they wanted to try and NK me. Untargetable = unNKable.
Your points on Zen and Arn make yours stronger IMO, because again, I don't think both are scum. Perhaps one but not both. I've always thought there is a "mastermind" or experienced player on the scum team. Your points against the both of them would actually back that up since I don't think either of them would have thought of this either.
I'm probably being naive here but why would a you as a claimed town want to target me last night rather than say Zen (or any other of the scummy people). Saying you wouldn't speak up about it doesn't ring true, since you are a smooth talker. Finally, as for telling a lie about my role, I'm a pretty terrible lier and I had I lied about my role I'd likely get lynched for it or at least run up to claim range.
@ Arn, Same reason why they took out Gricky. He was basically vanillafied with the loss of his mason bud.
And, please tell me if I'm wrong, but if Foxlet was one-shot, why would the scum take her out if she's vanilla now? I don't see how this paints a target on her chest. Especially if this Foxlet/Iso drama keeps going on. You two are ripping each other to shreds. One of you needs to back down lest grudges start forming.
As I said before I never said you thought I was a ONE shot... try going back and reading what I actually said.
No, that's absolutely not what you said. You are presenting a situation where I am scum because I have unwittingly enabled the scum to kill you. The entire premise of your argument is that I would have known you were 1-Shot (which is pretty much impossible), and because there is no logical or feasible way for me to have known that, I cannot be scum with your line of logic.
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By your line of questions and what I said in attempts to prove LN was scum, I figured someone (likely on the scum team) would try to prove that I was actually untargetable so they could decide if they wanted to try and NK me. Untargetable = unNKable.
Okay, but you are completely missing my point - you're saying that I'm scum for the aforementioned reason as well as the fact that YOU spilled your role info. If you hadn't, then you are the only person in this game who would know that your ability was only 1-Shot. If you had lied about your ability, and I were scum, then I wouldn't have been able to find that out except through your information dump. And now, thanks to you doing that, there's no way the scumteam's not going to kill you toNight. So, good job - you killed yourself.
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Your points on Zen and Arn make yours stronger IMO, because again, I don't think both are scum. Perhaps one but not both. I've always thought there is a "mastermind" or experienced player on the scum team. Your points against the both of them would actually back that up since I don't think either of them would have thought of this either.
Then I'm not understanding what the problem is. You say I'm scum. I'm not scum. But in either scenario, the scumteam would not have figured out your ability of their own accord, plain and simple. You are saying "oh hey this supports my theory that an experienced player is on the scumteam", but again, that premise is ONLY true if said player had ascertained that you were a 1-Shot Untargetable. You are not backing up your theories - you are twisting the facts to suit the end result because you are convinced I'm scum, most likely because of OMGUS and the fact that I made you killable (and that the scumteam now knows you are killable) which they only know BECAUSE OF YOU.
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I'm probably being naive here but why would a you as a claimed town want to target me last night rather than say Zen (or any other of the scummy people).
Because I wasn't going to let you pull the wool over my eyes just by pulling an "Iso" move - that is, a move wherein one essentially becomes "confirmed" in a convoluted manner, so to speak. If you were scum, you were the least likely to be investigated by any weak information role we may have had on Night 2, meaning you would have been the perfect one to perform the kill. Which is why I investigated you with your claim.
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Saying you wouldn't speak up about it doesn't ring true, since you are a smooth talker.
As much as I appreciate the flattery, there is no scenario that I could benefit from if I were scum to have come out about my ability because, again, it is based on the premise that I would somehow know you were a 1-Shot Untargetable.
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Finally, as for telling a lie about my role, I'm a pretty terrible lier and I had I lied about my role I'd likely get lynched for it or at least run up to claim range.
All you're doing is generating WIFOM and twisting facts at this point to fit your theory of me being scum and making excuses for why YOU outed your PR. This does not make me scum - it does, however, mean you still have more to learn about Mafia.
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I'm inclined to believe both Iso and Foxlet as PR's. That's two confirmed town.
We have two scum left among Arnn, Eron, Kah, Proph, and Zenjo. Kah has been fairly townie throughout, so I doubt he's scum.
Eron hasn't been particularly scummy, and has been posting a good deal so I don't like his lynch today at all.
Proph has been lurky, but not terrifically scummy. I can't help but think back to Agatha Christie where he didn't post much though. I could go either way.
Arnn has been posting a lot, but a lot of that is scummy. I wouldn't mind seeing the lynch, but there's a better target.
Which brings us to Zenjo. He hasn't been posting a lot, AND he's been fairly scummy. Plus, he posted the following in his last T/S list, which I find suspect:
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Leaning Town:
Arn - In cirque he did the same type of flailing when under pressure.
If Zenjo is scum, then I have no doubts Arnn is scum as well.
I'm inclined to believe both Iso and Foxlet as PR's. That's two confirmed town.
We have two scum left among Arnn, Eron, Kah, Proph, and Zenjo. Kah has been fairly townie throughout, so I doubt he's scum.
Eron hasn't been particularly scummy, and has been posting a good deal so I don't like his lynch today at all.
Proph has been lurky, but not terrifically scummy. I can't help but think back to Agatha Christie where he didn't post much though. I could go either way.
Arnn has been posting a lot, but a lot of that is scummy. I wouldn't mind seeing the lynch, but there's a better target.
Which brings us to Zenjo. He hasn't been posting a lot, AND he's been fairly scummy. Plus, he posted the following in his last T/S list, which I find suspect:
If Zenjo is scum, then I have no doubts Arnn is scum as well.
Then can you care to explain why when I first came into the game my theory was a Zenjo, Luck, and Wheat Grindr team? Do you honestly think my opening shot would be to bus both of them in one move? If Zenjo flips scum, the only thing that demonstrates is either:
A) my initial reads were correct
Or
B) im a suicidal scum who bussed both teammates right when I replaced in.
Then can you care to explain why when I first came into the game my theory was a Zenjo, Luck, and Wheat Grindr team? Do you honestly think my opening shot would be to bus both of them in one move? If Zenjo flips scum, the only thing that demonstrates is either:
A) my initial reads were correct
Or
B) im a suicidal scum who bussed both teammates right when I replaced in.
Vote Zenjo
That's more traitorous scum than suicidal. Knowing that the scumteam was in a hard position, you decided to distance as far as possible, to look townier when they flipped scum.
Got a lot of personal crises on my plate and finals coming up OOG. (Sister failed a class and can't graduate; Aunts might be getting evicted.)
Expect sporadic posts/no posts at all until I sort this all out.
Okay, got a little ahead of myself. My sponsor said not to cut out the things you find enjoyable when dealing with stress. I'll be around, but not as much until after Thursday.
That's more traitorous scum than suicidal. Knowing that the scumteam was in a hard position, you decided to distance as far as possible, to look townier when they flipped scum.
I'm not going to go all meta on you, but do you really think (with the experience I have) that that's my MO?
I'm not going to go all meta on you, but do you really think (with the experience I have) that that's my MO?
Yes, actually. STMU2. You kept pointing at the extra kill, when you knew where it came from. So, you pointed at LN and Zenjo as the scumteam when you knew that they were. And you even said you were unsure of me.
Also good luck coping with what's going on. Remember, this too shall pass; tomorrow will be a better day.
Thanks man.
I suppose it's a good theory if Zenjo does flip scum. But it also seems a good theory if Zenjo flips town. Since I was so adamant of his lynch day two. So, I'm kinda "damned if I do, damned if I don't."
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I have already addressed that. Foxlet asked me the same question.
Ok, I suppose that makes sense. But doesn't revealing your role put a target on your chest too? I guess I'm just confused about that part. You always seem to be about self preservation.
Zenjo, can you answer this:
@ Zenjo: Why didn't you hammer someone who you thought was scummy from Day One?
I didn't want to hammer without giving people a chance to discuss and/or ask questions about my T/S list.
Just look at how much Arnnaria makes sense when he isn't under pressure, I think he is town because his play here reminds me a ton of his Cirque du Freak play. How does that make me scum?
I am Lord Cassvar Goan. Vanilla Town.
I am a fashionable man that likes to set all the new trends. I do this to remain popular and also for the wealth.
Ok, I suppose that makes sense. But doesn't revealing your role put a target on your chest too? I guess I'm just confused about that part. You always seem to be about self preservation.
If we win by the end of Day 4 I will definitely not die.
I am very curious, Zenjo - does your flavor say anything about WHY you're there?
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Town Snoop. Target someone and learn if they perform an action that Night. My ability failed. I'm Jan Sadi, and I'm Lyscilla's head slave - I'm convinced she would never do anything like this, so I've been trying to spy on her to see if she's responsible for this. (This is why I said earlier that I found it unlikely that we'd have more PRs than the Masons - my ability is obviously only useful flavorfully if the town has no activated PRs.) I wanted to make sure Foxlet wasn't hardcore busing LN after he botched his claim for town credit.
I looked up "Snoop" on some other websites and they are totally different than what you are describing here. example
Um, today's the 17th.
Tomorrows the 18th.
But it appears we have a hammer.
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2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I told you he was, unbeliever. </3
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
We've still got about 24 hours left actually. It's not till midnight of the 18th.
In fact, I believe we have 23 hours left, because it's nearly 1AM Eastern time if I am correcting from CST correctly.
Huzzah! Let's hope we can continue the momentum tomorrow.
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Vote: Luck Norris
- H.L Mencken
I Became insane with long Intervals of horrible Sanity
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- Edgar Allan Poe
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LuckNorris (6): Wheat_Grinder, Foxlet, GrickyTimmick, Arnnaria, Iso, LuckNorris
Arnnaria (2): Kahedron, Prophylaxis
Prophylaxis (1): EronTheRelentless
Not Voting (1): Zenjo
With 10 alive, it is 6 to lynch.
LuckNorris has been lynched.
"I'll need someone new. Someone dominant and faithful, someone loyal to a cause," Lyscilla hissed softly at Leavan, nuzzling his cheek.
Leavan rubbed his hand across his muzzle, the point of her words coming across. Sniffing, he straightened up, and she let him go, smiling broadly at him.
"I want to be that leader," he said, the desire to be in charge, to do something important, suddenly swelled to bursting.
"Tomorrow, we're going to welcome all Trainees to my Charm School. I know I'll need you in the future, so make sure to make time for my classes next week." Lyscilla stroked a finger under Leavan's chin, and he lifted his head up high, eyes bright. "You'll need a few lessons before you can start helping me keep everyone in line."
Leavan bowed, eagerly running out the door, tightly locking up his worried feelings.
"Nobody else will give me a chance, I'll take this one," he thought, running swiftly down the path back home. "We'll see who's in charge once this is over."
...
Leavan d'Gaar's connection to Lyscilla was brought forth to the high court that evening, and the evidence was overwhelming.
LuckNorris, Leavan d'Gaar, mafia goon, has been exiled.
It is now Night 2. Get your night actions in to me by May 21st @ 11:59 PM EST.
Leavan was plotting with Lyscilla, but they couldn't have done it alone. The evidence presented to the courts has not been damning enough, and there's only a few days left until the Day of Ascension.
It is now Day 3. With 8 alive, it is 5 to lynch.
There will be a 2 week deadline for today.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
- H.L Mencken
I Became insane with long Intervals of horrible Sanity
All Religion, my friend is simply evolved out of fraud, fear, greed, imagination and poetry.
- Edgar Allan Poe
The Crafters' Rules Guru
He had plenty of opportunities to do it. He knew from our discussion that the heat was going to be on him. Why didn't he just try to earn some town credits and hammer Luck? Or would that have read as just plan scummy?
I mean, it's not like there was any love between the two. Luck had Zenjo pegged; Zenjo had luck pegged from quite early on. Zenjo, can you answer this:
@ Zenjo: Why didn't you hammer someone who you thought was scummy from Day One?
Town Snoop. Target someone and learn if they perform an action that Night. My ability failed. I'm Jan Sadi, and I'm Lyscilla's head slave - I'm convinced she would never do anything like this, so I've been trying to spy on her to see if she's responsible for this. (This is why I said earlier that I found it unlikely that we'd have more PRs than the Masons - my ability is obviously only useful flavorfully if the town has no activated PRs.) I wanted to make sure Foxlet wasn't hardcore busing LN after he botched his claim for town credit.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
FoS Iso
Why and doing what exactly? And your answer better be pretty fantastic.
D2 with all the fishing for my roll information, you were the MOST likely to figure out my role.
Added to that, we know for a fact there are still Scum PR out there, but we DON"T know if there are is another town PR left.
I'd also like to know why Zen didn't hammer as well. But a more concerning question is this... I've been thinking about it, and Luck's self hammer seems as if he wanted us to stop discussion because we were too close to other members of the scum team.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Ninja posted:rolleyes:
So, if you are claiming last town PR, who did you target the first night and what were the results?
Of course they failed, that WAS part of my PR
As for the last part, why on earth would I bus LN just out of the blue? I was only *mildly* suspicious of him D1. If it wasn't for his botched claim I would have only been using his lack of protecting the masons as scummyness rather than outing myself.
I realize it failed, but I wanted to know for sure that you weren't bsing since you said your ability informed you when someone targeted you.
As for the last part, LN botched his claim pretty badly, flavorfully and everything. It was only a matter of time before everyone else picked up on it - it could have been an attempt for you to save face by busing your scumbuddy - it was not out of the blue. But obviously you are now confirmed town.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Iso, I think you are FoS...and I don't mean that in the Finger of Suspicion way
Why would you target Qfish when you thought Vitek (whom we lynched), Zen and LN were all scum at the end of D1? For obvious reasons, I don't believe you.
And thanks to you, "confirming me town" with your ploy you've made it easier for me to die.
For the rest of the town, so you are all on the same page. My PR was a ONE SHOT untargetable. I think Iso was on that track with the leading questions he was asking and that's why he targeted me, thus wasting my one shot ability so I can be NK tonight.
Vote ISO
In regards to your ability being 1-shot, there was no way for me to know that - but you've just painted a target on yourself by claiming that. Why would you do that?
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
This could be a tell that Luck thought Iso was getting dangerously close to town fishing.
Or, he was just suicidal. But that doesn't align with "no more discussion".
I know this game can't be broken based upon flavor. So I'm not advocating a soft claim (Affiliation/Species), but with everyone claiming their roles, it would be interesting to see what house everyone is in.
That should read, I'm not advocating a mass claim or role claim, just a house claim.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Here You think perhaps I'm a bodyguard at most.
Here is where I call BS. You might not know I was ONE shot, but you specifically ask LN if I was targeted or not, that's when I got pretty PO'd about you fishing because you were getting closer to my role info about being untargetable.
Here you say you know what my role is....And then you backpedal
The points I'm trying to make is that, with all the information at hand you are trying to say "I don't know about your PR" when I think you had the best chances of knowing out of all the players. Which is why you targeted me last night.
As for you saying I just painted a big target on myself, as the only other outed PR I fully expected to be targeted by the scum team last night and I fully expect to die tonight. I already knew I was a target.
And for the claim...you *think* all the town PR are out? Why would you even consider there still more town PR out there at this point? I'm no mafia expert by far, but I know just enough about game balancing to know that MORE than 4 town PR in a game this size is pushing the limits.
Next, you're pushing me on the premise that I would have possibly known that you were a 1-Shot Untargetable. That's a feeble argument at best. You are painting my motives as scummy when there was no clear way for me to know your ability, given what I stated I thought I knew about it. Secondly, if I HAD known you were 1-Shot Untargetable, there would have been absolutely no reason for me to come out as the person who targeted you - I would have let you fester in your now-Vanilla state and said nothing about it so as to not draw attention to myself if I were scum.
In conclusion, your theory of me being scum and knowing you were a 1-Shot Untargetable is based on faulty circular logic that only makes sense if I had gone about my actions differently.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I guess I'm going to have to look all these roles up. Unless someone can explain: commuter and untargetable.
And, please tell me if I'm wrong, but if Foxlet was one-shot, why would the scum take her out if she's vanilla now? I don't see how this paints a target on her chest. Especially if this Foxlet/Iso drama keeps going on. You two are ripping each other to shreds. One of you needs to back down lest grudges start forming.
As I said before I never said you thought I was a ONE shot... try going back and reading what I actually said.
By your line of questions and what I said in attempts to prove LN was scum, I figured someone (likely on the scum team) would try to prove that I was actually untargetable so they could decide if they wanted to try and NK me. Untargetable = unNKable.
Your points on Zen and Arn make yours stronger IMO, because again, I don't think both are scum. Perhaps one but not both. I've always thought there is a "mastermind" or experienced player on the scum team. Your points against the both of them would actually back that up since I don't think either of them would have thought of this either.
I'm probably being naive here but why would a you as a claimed town want to target me last night rather than say Zen (or any other of the scummy people). Saying you wouldn't speak up about it doesn't ring true, since you are a smooth talker. Finally, as for telling a lie about my role, I'm a pretty terrible lier and I had I lied about my role I'd likely get lynched for it or at least run up to claim range.
@ Arn, Same reason why they took out Gricky. He was basically vanillafied with the loss of his mason bud.
Because she's now confirmed town.
No, that's absolutely not what you said. You are presenting a situation where I am scum because I have unwittingly enabled the scum to kill you. The entire premise of your argument is that I would have known you were 1-Shot (which is pretty much impossible), and because there is no logical or feasible way for me to have known that, I cannot be scum with your line of logic.
Okay, but you are completely missing my point - you're saying that I'm scum for the aforementioned reason as well as the fact that YOU spilled your role info. If you hadn't, then you are the only person in this game who would know that your ability was only 1-Shot. If you had lied about your ability, and I were scum, then I wouldn't have been able to find that out except through your information dump. And now, thanks to you doing that, there's no way the scumteam's not going to kill you toNight. So, good job - you killed yourself.
Then I'm not understanding what the problem is. You say I'm scum. I'm not scum. But in either scenario, the scumteam would not have figured out your ability of their own accord, plain and simple. You are saying "oh hey this supports my theory that an experienced player is on the scumteam", but again, that premise is ONLY true if said player had ascertained that you were a 1-Shot Untargetable. You are not backing up your theories - you are twisting the facts to suit the end result because you are convinced I'm scum, most likely because of OMGUS and the fact that I made you killable (and that the scumteam now knows you are killable) which they only know BECAUSE OF YOU.
Because I wasn't going to let you pull the wool over my eyes just by pulling an "Iso" move - that is, a move wherein one essentially becomes "confirmed" in a convoluted manner, so to speak. If you were scum, you were the least likely to be investigated by any weak information role we may have had on Night 2, meaning you would have been the perfect one to perform the kill. Which is why I investigated you with your claim.
As much as I appreciate the flattery, there is no scenario that I could benefit from if I were scum to have come out about my ability because, again, it is based on the premise that I would somehow know you were a 1-Shot Untargetable.
All you're doing is generating WIFOM and twisting facts at this point to fit your theory of me being scum and making excuses for why YOU outed your PR. This does not make me scum - it does, however, mean you still have more to learn about Mafia.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I'm inclined to believe both Iso and Foxlet as PR's. That's two confirmed town.
We have two scum left among Arnn, Eron, Kah, Proph, and Zenjo. Kah has been fairly townie throughout, so I doubt he's scum.
Eron hasn't been particularly scummy, and has been posting a good deal so I don't like his lynch today at all.
Proph has been lurky, but not terrifically scummy. I can't help but think back to Agatha Christie where he didn't post much though. I could go either way.
Arnn has been posting a lot, but a lot of that is scummy. I wouldn't mind seeing the lynch, but there's a better target.
Which brings us to Zenjo. He hasn't been posting a lot, AND he's been fairly scummy. Plus, he posted the following in his last T/S list, which I find suspect:
If Zenjo is scum, then I have no doubts Arnn is scum as well.
Then can you care to explain why when I first came into the game my theory was a Zenjo, Luck, and Wheat Grindr team? Do you honestly think my opening shot would be to bus both of them in one move? If Zenjo flips scum, the only thing that demonstrates is either:
A) my initial reads were correct
Or
B) im a suicidal scum who bussed both teammates right when I replaced in.
Vote Zenjo
My VERY first post in this game.
Got a lot of personal crises on my plate and finals coming up OOG. (Sister failed a class and can't graduate; Aunts might be getting evicted.)
Expect sporadic posts/no posts at all until I sort this all out.
- H.L Mencken
I Became insane with long Intervals of horrible Sanity
All Religion, my friend is simply evolved out of fraud, fear, greed, imagination and poetry.
- Edgar Allan Poe
The Crafters' Rules Guru
That's more traitorous scum than suicidal. Knowing that the scumteam was in a hard position, you decided to distance as far as possible, to look townier when they flipped scum.
Okay, got a little ahead of myself. My sponsor said not to cut out the things you find enjoyable when dealing with stress. I'll be around, but not as much until after Thursday.
I'm not going to go all meta on you, but do you really think (with the experience I have) that that's my MO?
Yes, actually. STMU2. You kept pointing at the extra kill, when you knew where it came from. So, you pointed at LN and Zenjo as the scumteam when you knew that they were. And you even said you were unsure of me.
I think it matches perfectly.
Thanks man.
I suppose it's a good theory if Zenjo does flip scum. But it also seems a good theory if Zenjo flips town. Since I was so adamant of his lynch day two. So, I'm kinda "damned if I do, damned if I don't."
Wheat, that's another reason I felt Arn was scum - Zenjo's list.
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Thanks.
Um, if you are convinced the remaining scum are Zenjo and I, what explains this spat between you and Foxlet? Why didn't you snoop Zenjo or myself?
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Ok, I suppose that makes sense. But doesn't revealing your role put a target on your chest too? I guess I'm just confused about that part. You always seem to be about self preservation.
I didn't want to hammer without giving people a chance to discuss and/or ask questions about my T/S list.
Just look at how much Arnnaria makes sense when he isn't under pressure, I think he is town because his play here reminds me a ton of his Cirque du Freak play. How does that make me scum?
I am Lord Cassvar Goan. Vanilla Town.
I am a fashionable man that likes to set all the new trends. I do this to remain popular and also for the wealth.
If we win by the end of Day 4 I will definitely not die.
I am very curious, Zenjo - does your flavor say anything about WHY you're there?
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I looked up "Snoop" on some other websites and they are totally different than what you are describing here. example
Vote Iso
How do you know that you were targeted?