On the subject of Thragtusk I think it will stay around $10 or maybe even go up a bit for a little while. Until Delver is gone it's an amazing card. It's price after rotation is purely going to depend on if Unsummon/Snapcaster, Unsummon/Restoration Angel, Snapcaster, Unsummon is viable. If it's not the card will go down in price. It's still going to hold some value if that happens because it's going to see play in green decks but post rotation it has the potential to go down.
On the subject of Thragtusk I think it will stay around $10 or maybe even go up a bit for a little while. Until Delver is gone it's an amazing card. It's price after rotation is purely going to depend on if Unsummon/Snapcaster, Unsummon/Restoration Angel, Snapcaster, Unsummon is viable. If it's not the card will go down in price. It's still going to hold some value if that happens because it's going to see play in green decks but post rotation it has the potential to go down.
Thragtusk will still be good against aggro decks regardless if unsummon sees any play.
On the subject of Thragtusk I think it will stay around $10 or maybe even go up a bit for a little while. Until Delver is gone it's an amazing card. It's price after rotation is purely going to depend on if Unsummon/Snapcaster, Unsummon/Restoration Angel, Snapcaster, Unsummon is viable. If it's not the card will go down in price. It's still going to hold some value if that happens because it's going to see play in green decks but post rotation it has the potential to go down.
I can't see snapcaster and angel not being viable in the upcoming standard barring wizards suddenly becomes triggerhappy with bannings.
They want to lower the power level of the game, not increase it further and both see modern play.
As for this sets value, its m12 without titans. If the reprinted mythics and rares were released for the first time this set would be very lucrative but they weren't and it isn't. Its a well designed set that didn't shameless include cards detrimental to standard like m12 (titans). Really the only problem with this set is that its a core set, since wizards switched to making new cards in core some people forgot about that.
I can't see snapcaster and angel not being viable in the upcoming standard barring wizards suddenly becomes triggerhappy with bannings.
They want to lower the power level of the game, not increase it further and both see modern play.
As for this sets value, its m12 without titans. If the reprinted mythics and rares were released for the first time this set would be very lucrative but they weren't and it isn't. Its a well designed set that didn't shameless include cards detrimental to standard like m12 (titans). Really the only problem with this set is that its a core set, since wizards switched to making new cards in core some people forgot about that.
Phantasmal image was as problematic as any of the titans.
Wait until people play Geist of St. Traft with nothing to hold it in check, then tell me Image was problematic.
If Geist is such a good card why did no body play it at the Block Pro Tour or the Block Grand Prix. With out the delver shell (snapcaster, ponder, vapor snag, mana leak) Geist is mediocre at best.
Also Phantasmal image was a problem because it let blue cheat on mana something the color is inherently not suppose to do. I mean whats the point of playing 4, 5, 6 drops when your opponent can just copy it for 2 mana?
If Geist is such a good card why did no body play it at the Block Pro Tour or the Block Grand Prix. With out the delver shell (snapcaster, ponder, vapor snag, mana leak) Geist is mediocre at best.
Also Phantasmal image was a problem because it let blue cheat on mana something the color is inherently not suppose to do. I mean whats the point of playing 4, 5, 6 drops when your opponent can just copy it for 2 mana?
Really? And how about green decks or black decks cloning things with metamorph or zombies podding in mono-black? Phyrexian mana spells have been the biggest offenders.
I'm sorry? Did you miss the finals deck of the last Block Pro Tour?
Or the Top 8 of the Legacy Grand Prix. Geist is an absurd, absurd card. The kind of deck Geist is good in, however, just doesn't exist in block because the tools aren't there.
It seems to mee they want to lower the power level of CONTROL decks, so Aggro, Control and Combo have an equal amount of the ownage pie. That's also very logical, as Timmy, Johhny and Spike each can choose the things they love instead of being force-fed one or the other.
It's not absurd, it's the whole Delver deck that is (too) powerful. Remove Delver of Secrets and you have a mediocre deck with no decent turn 1 plays. Remove Mana Leak and Snapcaster Mage, you've now only got hexproof to cover his ass. All Wizards needs to do to fizzle UW Delver is restrict (not even ban) one of the 3 (Delver, Snappy, Geist) and it'll be over soon.
The only tournament format that restrictions happen in is vintage. All of the other formats its eithor banned or unbanned. Just something to remember. That said, may I suggest we stick to talking solely about m13 cards and their impact on the format/valuations and perhaps discuss other cards elsewhere?
Personally I find thragtusk to be a fantastic card and believe it will remain higher than normal for a rare for a while at least, especially with as many options as are available for being able to abuse its two affects. Liliana isnt that surprising to see go up a little, especially when one considers that mono-black is by far the most popular mono-color for casual gamers out there (this is from personal experience selling at the brick and mortar store that I run/own the magic singles collection for.) Lots of people are allready loving the now cheaper cost of the reprints (stuffy doll, gilded lotus, rancor, reliquary tower, among others), and lots of people while irritated at the lack of DOJ are liking having mutilate back, should be fun :). As for how much the set will shake up standard, that still remains to be seen, Im sure we will see plenty of the usual experimenting and such will be interesting to see what pans out and what doesnt when all is said and done, and especially what impact rotation will have as well on the set.
Disciple might be good but I haven't tested it out yet. I think we're looking at a future where card draw is tough and it could fill a needed space.
Thragtusk is shooting up like crazy today. I bit the bullet and pre-ordered a playset for 28$ because they were starting to edge up. Now they are all 40+. I hope I get my playset now lol.
I think Delver is already suffering major decline and after rotation it loses ponder, snag, seachrome, probe, swords, and leak.
Strangleroot geist with rancor on it backed up by cavern if need be is going to define standard from about 2 weeks on until something significant is able to stop it (not much exists right now seriously). Green is being pushed very hard right now and Thragtusk has so many positive interactions in a green shell but is also easily splashable.
Thragtusk will be a chase rare in a set that isn't heavily opened and it isn't a promo of any kind. It could very easily break 15$ for an extended period of time.
Any idea why Redirect is so popular now?
It's one of my favorite spells, and I've always loved it,
but I've noticed the M13 foils keep selling out on SCG.
This kind of surprises me, as most of the sold out items are new cards.
Any clue as to why this third-print card is selling so hotly right now?
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
Any idea why Redirect is so popular now?
It's one of my favorite spells, and I've always loved it,
but I've noticed the M13 foils keep selling out on SCG.
This kind of surprises me, as most of the sold out items are new cards.
Any clue as to why this third-print card is selling so hotly right now?
I'm not saying it won't be good, it's a great card. What I'm doubting is if it holds a $10+ pricetag.
Thragtusk is basically the best rare in the set. It will be a solid role player in all green decks post scars rotation or at the least be a 3-4 of in everysingle green SB. Plus the fact that not much m13 will be opened I view it ending up at the $12-$15 range. The only thing holding this card back is Wolfir Silverheart which trumps it on the battlefield.
That's not what knowledgable people "said" about Wolfir Silverheart. Everyone with experience saw that bubble bursting due to Vapor Snag and other spot removal that just wasn't present in block.
And Restoration Angel was very, very undervalued for about a month until people started to pick up that it was completely ridiculous.
That's what people said about Restoration Angel and Wolfir Silverheart. Although many players agree with you, many speculators do not. We're in Market Street Café and "cards that do well" or "good cards" are two totally different things. If the Standard meta doesn't jump on it, it's price will only wither away. And Legacy doesn't have a track record of adopting new cards quickly.
True, there are good cards that don't get picked up by the meta. However there are certainly more examples of "good cards" that do "well" than "good cards" that "don't". If people shouldn't speclate on "good cards" then what should they speculate on?
Only people with crystal globes can predict cards that "do well".
Any idea why Redirect is so popular now?
It's one of my favorite spells, and I've always loved it,
but I've noticed the M13 foils keep selling out on SCG.
This kind of surprises me, as most of the sold out items are new cards.
Any clue as to why this third-print card is selling so hotly right now?
(previous tallies are located in the following posts: 2, 21)
A few days in:
1) Ajani, Caller of the Pride (30) /
2) Liliana of the Dark Realms (22) /
3) Sublime Archangel (21) /
4) Thundermaw Hellkite (21) /
5) Thragtusk (12) /
6) Vampire Nocturnus (9) /
7) Akroma's Memorial (7) /
8) Jace, Memory Adept (7) /
9) Garruk, Primal Hunter (6) /
10) Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker (6) /
11) Master of the Pearl Trident (5.5) /
12) Omniscience (5) /
13) Yeva, Nature's Herald (5) /
14) Talrand, Sky Summoner (4) /
15) Chandra, the Firebrand (3.25) /
The card's most recent move is on right. means no movement. is a card that wasn't on the list last update. This is the update's hottest mover. (#) is price in CND incl. shipping here.
Gilded Lotus and Serra Avatar fell below $3 and therefore dropped off the tally, leaving just 15 cards worth the price of the booster pack they come out of.
Ajani seems stable near $30. I can't find it any cheaper elsewhere, but I've yet to sell a copy, so perhaps it will cool a bit. Liliana jumped a couple bucks, allowing it to land just higher than the Archangel and Hellkite, which also moved up, just not as much. Thragtusk is now $12 which is good enough for 5th place, but I have trouble understanding how it could stay there. Vorapede is a good comparison. It's better in pretty much every way, except with blink or unsummon effects. Is that good enough to make the rare Thragtusk $12 while the mythic Vorapede is $3? As for the rest of the list, the misnamed Omniscience is crashing fast (down 5 slots!) and Master of the Pearl Trident looks strong. The rest of the cards are either stable or moving lower (in the case of reprinted rares). Chandra looks ready to fall off the tally soon.
At this point in the set's "life cycle", price movements are largely associated with speculation. By that, I mean without much input from either tournament results (which affect demand), or from changes in supply (no product is yet being opened), the market decides on prices mainly through the analysis and opinion of players, collectors, dealers, etc. Sure, some early playtesting results may be affecting demand of some singles, but by and large right now any price movements we see are guilty of being pure speculation, until proven otherwise. It's not necessarily a bad thing, or a good thing, it's just how it is. Once product hits the streets, real world supply will enter into the equation, and once players start building and playing decks with the cards, real world demand will make itself felt. Just something I thought I'd mention. Probably a recap for a lot of people who follow the tallies.
It seems to mee they want to lower the power level of CONTROL decks, so Aggro, Control and Combo have an equal amount of the ownage pie. That's also very logical, as Timmy, Johhny and Spike each can choose the things they love instead of being force-fed one or the other.
Wait johny is still alive? I thought they killed him, poor guy starved to death.
Chandra at 3? Wow, I seem to recall her being upwards of 30 when M12 was released. Might pick up a playset. Can't really see her falling much more, mythic planeswalker and all. Bight be she finds a home as well, she's not that bad.
Thragtusk will still be good against aggro decks regardless if unsummon sees any play.
I can't see snapcaster and angel not being viable in the upcoming standard barring wizards suddenly becomes triggerhappy with bannings.
They want to lower the power level of the game, not increase it further and both see modern play.
As for this sets value, its m12 without titans. If the reprinted mythics and rares were released for the first time this set would be very lucrative but they weren't and it isn't. Its a well designed set that didn't shameless include cards detrimental to standard like m12 (titans). Really the only problem with this set is that its a core set, since wizards switched to making new cards in core some people forgot about that.
Phantasmal image was as problematic as any of the titans.
Wait until people play Geist of St. Traft with nothing to hold it in check, then tell me Image was problematic.
If Geist is such a good card why did no body play it at the Block Pro Tour or the Block Grand Prix. With out the delver shell (snapcaster, ponder, vapor snag, mana leak) Geist is mediocre at best.
Also Phantasmal image was a problem because it let blue cheat on mana something the color is inherently not suppose to do. I mean whats the point of playing 4, 5, 6 drops when your opponent can just copy it for 2 mana?
Really? And how about green decks or black decks cloning things with metamorph or zombies podding in mono-black? Phyrexian mana spells have been the biggest offenders.
Or the Top 8 of the Legacy Grand Prix. Geist is an absurd, absurd card. The kind of deck Geist is good in, however, just doesn't exist in block because the tools aren't there.
Current post- Grand Prix KC Modern Postmortem (7/7/13)
The only tournament format that restrictions happen in is vintage. All of the other formats its eithor banned or unbanned. Just something to remember. That said, may I suggest we stick to talking solely about m13 cards and their impact on the format/valuations and perhaps discuss other cards elsewhere?
Personally I find thragtusk to be a fantastic card and believe it will remain higher than normal for a rare for a while at least, especially with as many options as are available for being able to abuse its two affects. Liliana isnt that surprising to see go up a little, especially when one considers that mono-black is by far the most popular mono-color for casual gamers out there (this is from personal experience selling at the brick and mortar store that I run/own the magic singles collection for.) Lots of people are allready loving the now cheaper cost of the reprints (stuffy doll, gilded lotus, rancor, reliquary tower, among others), and lots of people while irritated at the lack of DOJ are liking having mutilate back, should be fun :). As for how much the set will shake up standard, that still remains to be seen, Im sure we will see plenty of the usual experimenting and such will be interesting to see what pans out and what doesnt when all is said and done, and especially what impact rotation will have as well on the set.
I do personally think that Disciple of bolas has potential and if I had to pick a sleeper it'd be that one.
My EDH Decks
:Chainer, Dementia Master - Mono black recursion - :Titania - Token hordes
: Teysa - Sacrifice and tokens - : Brago, King Eternal - Blink - :Sygg, River Cutthroat - I draw cards; you discard -
: Melek, Izzet Paragon - Copy spells, don't win.
: Oloro, Ageless Ascetic Card Draw - :Karador, Ghost Chieftain - Graveyard shenanigans - :Tariel, Reckoner of Souls - Angels and Demons theme - :Marath, Will of the Wild - Token Hordes
: Marchesa - Steal and sacrifice - : Shattergang Brothers - Everything gets blown up - : Animar, Soul of Elements - All creatures
Thragtusk is shooting up like crazy today. I bit the bullet and pre-ordered a playset for 28$ because they were starting to edge up. Now they are all 40+. I hope I get my playset now lol.
Strangleroot geist with rancor on it backed up by cavern if need be is going to define standard from about 2 weeks on until something significant is able to stop it (not much exists right now seriously). Green is being pushed very hard right now and Thragtusk has so many positive interactions in a green shell but is also easily splashable.
Thragtusk will be a chase rare in a set that isn't heavily opened and it isn't a promo of any kind. It could very easily break 15$ for an extended period of time.
It's one of my favorite spells, and I've always loved it,
but I've noticed the M13 foils keep selling out on SCG.
This kind of surprises me, as most of the sold out items are new cards.
Any clue as to why this third-print card is selling so hotly right now?
Reprint Stasis!
Control needs more love.
EDH:
Momir Vig, Simic Visionary
Melek, Izzet Paragon
Oona, Queen of the Fae
Bruna, Light of Alabaster
Gisela, Blade of Goldnight
Rhys the Redeemed
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
Sen Triplets
The Mimeoplasm
WUBRGSliver OverlordGRBUW
WUBRGSliver Hivelord(Superfriends)GRBUW
Although... it is one heck of a hilarious answer for Bonfire.
Current post- Grand Prix KC Modern Postmortem (7/7/13)
I'm not saying it won't be good, it's a great card. What I'm doubting is if it holds a $10+ pricetag.
Bonfire I think
Thragtusk is basically the best rare in the set. It will be a solid role player in all green decks post scars rotation or at the least be a 3-4 of in everysingle green SB. Plus the fact that not much m13 will be opened I view it ending up at the $12-$15 range. The only thing holding this card back is Wolfir Silverheart which trumps it on the battlefield.
Current post- Grand Prix KC Modern Postmortem (7/7/13)
And Restoration Angel was very, very undervalued for about a month until people started to pick up that it was completely ridiculous.
Current post- Grand Prix KC Modern Postmortem (7/7/13)
True, there are good cards that don't get picked up by the meta. However there are certainly more examples of "good cards" that do "well" than "good cards" that "don't". If people shouldn't speclate on "good cards" then what should they speculate on?
Only people with crystal globes can predict cards that "do well".
It could be U/x answer to Rancor.
A few days in:
1) Ajani, Caller of the Pride (30) /
2) Liliana of the Dark Realms (22) /
3) Sublime Archangel (21) /
4) Thundermaw Hellkite (21) /
5) Thragtusk (12) /
6) Vampire Nocturnus (9) /
7) Akroma's Memorial (7) /
8) Jace, Memory Adept (7) /
9) Garruk, Primal Hunter (6) /
10) Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker (6) /
11) Master of the Pearl Trident (5.5) /
12) Omniscience (5) /
13) Yeva, Nature's Herald (5) /
14) Talrand, Sky Summoner (4) /
15) Chandra, the Firebrand (3.25) /
The card's most recent move is on right. means no movement. is a card that wasn't on the list last update. This is the update's hottest mover. (#) is price in CND incl. shipping here.
Gilded Lotus and Serra Avatar fell below $3 and therefore dropped off the tally, leaving just 15 cards worth the price of the booster pack they come out of.
Ajani seems stable near $30. I can't find it any cheaper elsewhere, but I've yet to sell a copy, so perhaps it will cool a bit. Liliana jumped a couple bucks, allowing it to land just higher than the Archangel and Hellkite, which also moved up, just not as much. Thragtusk is now $12 which is good enough for 5th place, but I have trouble understanding how it could stay there. Vorapede is a good comparison. It's better in pretty much every way, except with blink or unsummon effects. Is that good enough to make the rare Thragtusk $12 while the mythic Vorapede is $3? As for the rest of the list, the misnamed Omniscience is crashing fast (down 5 slots!) and Master of the Pearl Trident looks strong. The rest of the cards are either stable or moving lower (in the case of reprinted rares). Chandra looks ready to fall off the tally soon.
At this point in the set's "life cycle", price movements are largely associated with speculation. By that, I mean without much input from either tournament results (which affect demand), or from changes in supply (no product is yet being opened), the market decides on prices mainly through the analysis and opinion of players, collectors, dealers, etc. Sure, some early playtesting results may be affecting demand of some singles, but by and large right now any price movements we see are guilty of being pure speculation, until proven otherwise. It's not necessarily a bad thing, or a good thing, it's just how it is. Once product hits the streets, real world supply will enter into the equation, and once players start building and playing decks with the cards, real world demand will make itself felt. Just something I thought I'd mention. Probably a recap for a lot of people who follow the tallies.
Have a great weekend
I thought Vapor Snag was blue's answer to Rancor?
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Wait johny is still alive? I thought they killed him, poor guy starved to death.