Nice logic. "It happened once so it must have happened some other times!"
That's not what I said, and you know it.
This literally makes zero sense whatsoever.
You saying so doesn't make it true. It makes perfect sense.
It doesn't make sense in the context of mafia in any way.
And everyone who's every played Mafia with you has always made perfect sense?
Anyway. MH is scum. She was #3 on my list before, but she is #1 now. If you need proof of this, go read any other game where she has been scum. She is the most readable person in the history of mafia, and this is how she acts as scum. [b]Unvote, Vote MH[/b]
Oh, man, good to see that some things never change.
Cyan...you ALWAYS think I'm scum. How many times have you been right about it?
The answer is 3 out of the 9 games we've played in together, and that's being generous because I don't think he thought I was scum in Joss Whedon, but we'll assume he did. What this means is, yes, he is right every time I'm scum...but only because HE ALWAYS THINKS I'M SCUM.
Well, I was wondering if he had any specific reasons or if it was just general mudslinging at us.
If he has some actual reasons, that's one thing and I'll respond once I know what they are. But if it's nothing more than "gut feelings" then it looks scummy to me. It looks like prep work for a later push against us. Not a major scumtell, but certainly something worth noting.
Of course, now that I've spelled it out, it loses a lot of potency that it might have had if he'd responded first.
This doesn't answer why you care, though. If he's just going to sling mud and make no case, why do you care?
You see it as inexperience/clumsy while others are seeing it as scummy. You know I am leaning on the latter of the two. After all, this is a League game and not a Basic Game.
What does the level of the game have to do with his alignment?
Lynch me then. I'm quickly getting to the point that I don't even care.
Up to this point I HAVE answered not just his, but everyone's questions. So, because I'm sick of being treated like that suddenly I'm refusing to answer questions? Whatever. Lynch me.
This has NOTHING to do with not wanting to answer questions. It has to do with refusing to put up with being talked down to. There's absolutely ZERO reason why I should have to answer questions presented the way Void is presenting them.
I should tell you that in Basic 63 Homestuck, the scumteam being me, Void and Yanni, pushed hard against emocakes D1, who had replaced in for Manders. Manders had been acting scummy but replaced out for personal reasons. The push against Emocakes was based purely on Manders actions and lead to a successful mislynch for us. Lynching based on replacement shenanigans can be incredibly advantageous to scum. Scum points for Ahlyis and Vox.
I was NOT acting scummy. People called me out for bull****.
I think it's perfectly reasonable for people to make scummy posts but still be town -- apparently the poster child for that. Your posts have seemed scummy to me, but your intentions have seemed town. I guess I should have spelled that out, but apparently the "cool" thing to do is to make leaps of judgment without actually giving evidence or explanation along the way.
I mean, how am I supposed to take you seriously when you are flat out lying?
There's absolutely ZERO chance that you honestly see nothing wrong with the question I proposed and that you would answer it directly. Bullcrap. Yet that's exactly what you claim you would do. So how exactly am I supposed to take anything you say seriously?
First of all, the question you asked is nowhere near the league of the question Void asked you.
Secondly, yes, kpaca would answer it because he is all out of ****s to give.
Archmage Eternal - Leaning scum, need more content.
Why?
GrickyTimmick - Leaning town, need more content.
Why?
Void - Still feels town to me, regardless of Ahylis's points.
Why?
Ahlyis - Undecided. Felt scum at first, then felt town, now feeling scum again.
Why?
Kpaca - Just started posting because of V/LA. No read yet.
Why? (jk, don't answer that)
Reya Cookiebringer - Slightly leaning town, but need more content.
Why?
Foxlet/SharkFinnigan - I had Foxlet as leaning scum, but that's subject to change depending on Shark's content.
Why did you have her as leaning scum?
Cyouni - Miller.
Fair.
Cyan - I'm actually not sure here. I think he's the sole reason IB is still in the game, which is something. He's /barning E_P hard on my wagon, by his own admission (238), but his tone has been pretty neutral the whole game. I'm not sure what his agenda is, but it feels to me like he has one. As such, I'd put him either Neutral or Leaning scum.
So Cyan's leaning scum...
Voxxicus - Has made 5 posts the whole game. Had RL about halfway through, but lurked to that point and has lurked since returning. He also made mention that Fox replacing out felt scum until she mentioned that it was for RL reasons. Why else would anyone replace out? Getting a strong scum feel here.
Players replace out under pressure all the time.
Dancing Mad - Strongly leaning town.
Why?
infectiousbaloth - Town.
Why?
TheIceMan - I haven't liked any of his posts so far, at all. They're very short, and very redirective. He likes to use suggestive language that makes people think about what he says, but then they do the work themselves and treat it as their own idea. "Troubling" is a good example of this. It isn't strong enough to draw attention, but it's insidious enough that you think about it, find yourself agreeing with it, and then call it your own. Strongly leaning scum at this point.
Mkay
MandersHex - Cyan apparently doesn't like her posts this game. If Cyan is neutral, then I see no reason to disagree with him...if he's scum, then there's a lot more possibilities (buddies, mislynch of a capable player, etc). Manders got into a spat pretty quickly with Ahylis, and was involved in the early stages with Foxlet/miller, but RL has happened so she hasn't posted lately. At the moment I'm going to put a Neutral here, but that's subject to change depending on how Cyan reacts.
Why does Cyan's reactions reflect on my alignment?
What spat with Ahylis?
What does my involvement with the Foxlet/Miller issue have to do with anything?
I love the smell of scum who are confused as to how they just got caught and are still operating under the false guise of "scum hunting". Smells like smokin a cigarette made of sex and mint.
Considering you just made an extremely long and almost entirely irrelevant post containing a very underjustified vote, this might be one of those times where Cyan is right about you.
Considering you just made an extremely long and almost entirely irrelevant post containing a very underjustified vote, this might be one of those times where Cyan is right about you.
Underjustified how? I pointed out what put me over the edge. Do you disagree that he's been pretty scummy all game?
Underjustified how? I pointed out what put me over the edge. Do you disagree that he's been pretty scummy all game?
I already explained my thought process on that, and apparently didn't "do anything for you."
I'm now officially pissed off. Since I'm at L-2, now I have to claim:
Town "redirector." Basically I target two people, and every ability that would be used on player A is instead changed to player B.
If my understanding and my research of this role is correct, now I get to get night-killed immediately if by some miracle I don't get lynched, because scum really aren't going to want me to live and protect people. So yeah, thanks for getting me kicked out of the game regardless of what happens.
I don't know what's good enough for you people, honestly. I tried as hard as I could, and all my effort was rewarded with, was more accusations, more mistrust, and more crap in general. You have my reads, you have my cases, and you have my general anger. I see no reason to put in the effort to type up a case for Jobie or anyone else at this point since my effort got me into this mess. IF E_P gives me a good enough reason, then maybe I will. Otherwise, screw all of you.
Massive work project will be done on Thursday. I'll respond to Silver's post then - it's extremely difficult to quote and page back through the thread on my phone.
I still want Foxlet slot dead.
I want Silver dead a little bit less. I think he's more likely scum than town, but there's an earnestness in some of his posts that is difficult to fake.
I already explained my thought process on that, and apparently didn't "do anything for you."
I'm now officially pissed off. Since I'm at L-2, now I have to claim:
Town "redirector." Basically I target two people, and every ability that would be used on player A is instead changed to player B.
If my understanding and my research of this role is correct, now I get to get night-killed immediately if by some miracle I don't get lynched, because scum really aren't going to want me to live and protect people. So yeah, thanks for getting me kicked out of the game regardless of what happens.
I don't know what's good enough for you people, honestly. I tried as hard as I could, and all my effort was rewarded with, was more accusations, more mistrust, and more crap in general. You have my reads, you have my cases, and you have my general anger. I see no reason to put in the effort to type up a case for Jobie or anyone else at this point since my effort got me into this mess. IF E_P gives me a good enough reason, then maybe I will. Otherwise, screw all of you.
Nothing is good enough for these people man. They have to be correct so bad its kinda sad. Like heaven forbid they be wrong and have to change views.
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MH's vote sucked so much that I think it makes her scum regardless of SS's affiliation.
I just can't decide whether to give SS a pass for now and move onto MH immediately, or, let this wagon run it's course and worry about MH tomorrow.
SS claim in and of itself doesn't do anything for me. His attitude doesn't indicate one alignment or the other, and the role itself can definitely go either way.
Given recent concern over MH's vote, decided to look into her first.
-Not much in terms of really telling information
-3rd on the IB wagon, 8th on the SS one (10 to lynch).
-IB vote was a barn vote off IB's barn.
-SS vote is a vote based off someone else's analysis. -I have yet to find really any direct opinions (on scumminess) on any player at all. (outside of votes)
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At this point, I do not see SS as scum.
-Mainly, I do not see any obvious tells that would make SS scum.
-Claim is fair (Bus Driver)
-New player. @SS: So you have not played any games before? Have you been looking at games/articles on this forum or another forum?
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At this point, I do not see SS as scum.
-Mainly, I do not see any obvious tells that would make SS scum.
-Claim is fair (Bus Driver)
-New player. @SS: So you have not played any games before? Have you been looking at games/articles on this forum or another forum?
Correct. I've read a few back games, and I've been following three of the games that are currently ongoing (which obviously I don't want to talk about, since some of the same people are in them). I've also read a lot on mafiascum, just hopping from link to link to link in standard wiki-reading fashion. Reading only goes so far, though, so here I am.
MH's vote sucked so much that I think it makes her scum regardless of SS's affiliation.
I just can't decide whether to give SS a pass for now and move onto MH immediately, or, let this wagon run it's course and worry about MH tomorrow.
SS claim in and of itself doesn't do anything for me. His attitude doesn't indicate one alignment or the other, and the role itself can definitely go either way.
Wait, aren't you already voting MH, or did you switch back and I missed it?
Reread a few things. SharkFinn is posting much better than Foxlet did, but I can't get Fox's over-defensive responses out of my head. Got my eye on Shark for Fox's play.
Don't like Manders lurk into voting post. Or her glorified barn. Or her attempt to justify her vote by asking the question "Do you disagree that he's been scummy all game?". That question feels like some kind of trap.
Noticed that nearly every time Reya posts, it comes with a vote. Albeit Reya hasn't posted much, but a high Vote-to-Post ratio pings my radar.
Still undecided about the SS wagon. I can see some scummy things coming from him, most recently the defeatism, but his newb card has got me doubting the case on him.
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And what about when I flip town? What will you do then?
And before kpaca comes back with something along the lines of "shrug and move on," I don't mean about me. What will you do regarding those who've interacted with me?
Given recent concern over MH's vote, decided to look into her first.
-Not much in terms of really telling information
-3rd on the IB wagon, 8th on the SS one (10 to lynch).
-IB vote was a barn vote off IB's barn.
-SS vote is a vote based off someone else's analysis. -I have yet to find really any direct opinions (on scumminess) on any player at all. (outside of votes)
Am I wrong on that last point MandersHex?
I'm fairly certain you are incorrect, because I recall saying I think Cyan and AE are likely town. As for opinions on scumminess, I've voted for those I find scummy. (IB, SS.) I don't really have a read on anyone else.
And what about when I flip town? What will you do then?
And before kpaca comes back with something along the lines of "shrug and move on," I don't mean about me. What will you do regarding those who've interacted with me?
Well, Cyan's said I'm scum. GT has expressed concern, but withheld his vote a few times. I believe some have said I seem town. Iono, re-read the game when I'm dead and see for yourself.
Oh, Jobie said he thinks I'm town. I remember cause he said me and Cyan going at it, as per normal, would be a town-on-town fight that should be ignored until later.
Oh, and as for the lurking accusation GT so elegantly slung my way, let me just clarify something.
I work 6-2:30 Friday-Tuesday. Because of a ****ty RL situation, the earliest I go to bed on most days is 10:30, more like 11:00 or later. I wake up at 4. So, during the week, I am waaaaaaaaaaaaay to exhausted to deal with Mafia. I'll TRY to force myself to post more during my work week from here on out, but that's what I meant the other day by "depending on how I feel." I'm always tired lately.
MH's vote sucked so much that I think it makes her scum regardless of SS's affiliation.
I just can't decide whether to give SS a pass for now and move onto MH immediately, or, let this wagon run it's course and worry about MH tomorrow.
SS claim in and of itself doesn't do anything for me. His attitude doesn't indicate one alignment or the other, and the role itself can definitely go either way.
His attitude doesnt indicate one way or the other and you want to lynch him.
Never change Cyan.
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Wait, aren't you already voting MH, or did you switch back and I missed it?
Reread a few things. SharkFinn is posting much better than Foxlet did, but I can't get Fox's over-defensive responses out of my head. Got my eye on Shark for Fox's play.
Don't like Manders lurk into voting post. Or her glorified barn. Or her attempt to justify her vote by asking the question "Do you disagree that he's been scummy all game?". That question feels like some kind of trap.
Noticed that nearly every time Reya posts, it comes with a vote. Albeit Reya hasn't posted much, but a high Vote-to-Post ratio pings my radar.
Still undecided about the SS wagon. I can see some scummy things coming from him, most recently the defeatism, but his newb card has got me doubting the case on him.
Your no votes to post ratio is disturbing and you are fencesitting and a lot of talk but no walk.
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He seems pretty town to me Just bussing Manders hard which seems like cyan.
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I feel so dumb right now, I googled bussing. I thought it was just pushing someone's wagon. Wow been playing for like 2 years.....
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kpaca, I'd like you to meet Cyan. Cyan, meet kpaca.
I don't like the SS claim, it seems like my tilt saved me and now SS is trying to fake being upset. Especially after calling my tilt scummy, this behaviour sets off alarm bells.
kpaca, I'd like you to meet Cyan. Cyan, meet kpaca.
I don't like the SS claim, it seems like my tilt saved me and now SS is trying to fake being upset. Especially after calling my tilt scummy, this behaviour sets off alarm bells.
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I don't know why you would think I'm not actually upset, but you're wrong. Try putting yourself in my shoes for a moment. You've been wanting to try mafia for a while now, you've done your research and followed the ongoing games, and finally your queue pops and it's time to try your hand at it. You get your PM -- you're town with a neat ability, although if scum find out about it you're probably in trouble. You try as hard as you can to help the town because you want to make a good impression on everyone in your first game, and because, you know, if you're obviously town, then you won't have to claim and you can sit back and protect people without being targeted by mafia. But somehow, no matter how hard you try to ram it into peoples' heads that you're town, they grow more and more surly. They suspect you, because you're actually putting effort into the game! They push you, and push you, and push you some more, and you get flustered. You're upset because all you've been trying to do is help and you're getting run up for it. You do everything that's asked of you, and it's still not enough. Eventually you have to claim. Now, whether you get lynched or not, you're not living out the night unless another power role gets outed. Your first game, you know, the one that you tried so hard to make a good impression in, is over...one way or another.
Please, tell me that you WOULDN'T be upset in that scenario.
As I've said several times now, I've been following a lot of the ongoing games (Magical Girl has been my favorite to keep up with), I've read a handful of completed games....usually ones that came up in discussion in ongoing, and I burrowed my way through mafiascum's wiki, reading most everything that sounded interesting.
kpaca, I'd like you to meet Cyan. Cyan, meet kpaca.
I don't like the SS claim, it seems like my tilt saved me and now SS is trying to fake being upset. Especially after calling my tilt scummy, this behaviour sets off alarm bells.
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Is IB generally accepted as town now?
Because looking at this, the fact he confirmed his vote after all this pressure, just looks bad.
@SS Getting lynched is nowhere near the end of the world.
You shouldn't have to try and "convince" people you're town. Only scum need to convince people that they are town.
@SS: I'd defend you more but I'm limited to posting over breakfast.
I have the distinct feeling that Reya has gotten significantly better than the last time I saw him, and is also probably town.
Still feeling that IB is going anywhere everyone else goes to keep the pressure off him. Not to mention some of the things that SS did people have been arguing were scummy were done previously by IB.
I don't know why you would think I'm not actually upset, but you're wrong. Try putting yourself in my shoes for a moment. You've been wanting to try mafia for a while now, you've done your research and followed the ongoing games, and finally your queue pops and it's time to try your hand at it. You get your PM -- you're town with a neat ability, although if scum find out about it you're probably in trouble. You try as hard as you can to help the town because you want to make a good impression on everyone in your first game, and because, you know, if you're obviously town, then you won't have to claim and you can sit back and protect people without being targeted by mafia. But somehow, no matter how hard you try to ram it into peoples' heads that you're town, they grow more and more surly. They suspect you, because you're actually putting effort into the game! They push you, and push you, and push you some more, and you get flustered. You're upset because all you've been trying to do is help and you're getting run up for it. You do everything that's asked of you, and it's still not enough. Eventually you have to claim. Now, whether you get lynched or not, you're not living out the night unless another power role gets outed. Your first game, you know, the one that you tried so hard to make a good impression in, is over...one way or another.
Please, tell me that you WOULDN'T be upset in that scenario.
As I've said several times now, I've been following a lot of the ongoing games (Magical Girl has been my favorite to keep up with), I've read a handful of completed games....usually ones that came up in discussion in ongoing, and I burrowed my way through mafiascum's wiki, reading most everything that sounded interesting.
-This post makes me believe SS is town.
-The newb card is thrown (waved, stuck in our faces, shoved down our throats, etc.)
-Putting myself in his shoes, I can understand it.
-Anyone who continues to vote him I will scrutinize and dissect posts to build strong case against.
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-This post makes me believe SS is town.
-The newb card is thrown (waved, stuck in our faces, shoved down our throats, etc.)
-Putting myself in his shoes, I can understand it.
-Anyone who continues to vote him I will scrutinize and dissect posts to build strong case against.
See, the post he made could come from pissed off scum, too. But I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Unvote Vote: kpaca
He made posts from the mindset of knowing that I am town. There's only one way he could know that.
I'm starting to get more interested in Cyouni and MH. Cyouni for the last post, and MH for this last 50ppp page.
I still have big issues with Silver, but they are getting resolved slowly so I'm losing interest there. At the very least I feel like he put previous thought into the people he found scummy and didn't come up with it on the spot. I'm getting a sense we have another Murphy who simply knows more than the average player in their first game. Maybe with some ego tossed in there too.
Silver, I have a few more questions and then I think I can give my final verdic:
As I've said several times now, I've been following a lot of the ongoing games (Magical Girl has been my favorite to keep up with), I've read a handful of completed games....usually ones that came up in discussion in ongoing, and I burrowed my way through mafiascum's wiki, reading most everything that sounded interesting.
So what things do you think work well as scum tells?
Who are players you've read and liked?
what made Ahlyis go from your scummiest (the FOS) to somewhere more int eh middle despite still saying you think he's scummy?
Please show the progression as you see it.
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Interesting about Fox. I’m sure we will learn more down the road.
Are there specific posts that you could quote from Silver that helped you gain your read? As in some that are scummy and some that are townie.
That's not what I said, and you know it.
You saying so doesn't make it true. It makes perfect sense.
And everyone who's every played Mafia with you has always made perfect sense?
Oh, man, good to see that some things never change.
Cyan...you ALWAYS think I'm scum. How many times have you been right about it?
This doesn't answer why you care, though. If he's just going to sling mud and make no case, why do you care?
I don't.
You knew it wouldn't take long, but no, it's not starting again. I'm not getting into a pissing match with Cyan when I'm unsure of his alignment.
No because I don't even remember what this was over anymore. You must have pinged something, but you're not anymore, so forget it.
No watching me in the shower, Void!
You have a lot of anger.
Furthermore, Azrael didn't say "never" and Cyan is right. Players have been warned or infracted for double and triple-posting in-game.
What does the level of the game have to do with his alignment?
Reasons for ANYTHING you're thinking/feeling would be loverly.
Dude, chill out. This
is nothing more than him trying to get a feel for your mindset. It is not talking down to you or being condescending.
I'm glad I'm not the only one that sees it.
This. Why, especially on Day 1, would you want to focus on only one person, IB?
The part that hits me hardest is where SS said several times that he thought IB was town....then said he'd been making scummy posts all game.
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I was NOT acting scummy. People called me out for bull****.
Like this?
This explanation does nothing for me.
First of all, the question you asked is nowhere near the league of the question Void asked you.
Secondly, yes, kpaca would answer it because he is all out of ****s to give.
Why?
Why?
Why?
Why?
Why?
Why? (jk, don't answer that)
Why?
Why did you have her as leaning scum?
Fair.
So Cyan's leaning scum...
Players replace out under pressure all the time.
Why?
Why?
Mkay
Why does Cyan's reactions reflect on my alignment?
What spat with Ahylis?
What does my involvement with the Foxlet/Miller issue have to do with anything?
Not really, no.
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Underjustified how? I pointed out what put me over the edge. Do you disagree that he's been pretty scummy all game?
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I already explained my thought process on that, and apparently didn't "do anything for you."
I'm now officially pissed off. Since I'm at L-2, now I have to claim:
Town "redirector." Basically I target two people, and every ability that would be used on player A is instead changed to player B.
If my understanding and my research of this role is correct, now I get to get night-killed immediately if by some miracle I don't get lynched, because scum really aren't going to want me to live and protect people. So yeah, thanks for getting me kicked out of the game regardless of what happens.
I don't know what's good enough for you people, honestly. I tried as hard as I could, and all my effort was rewarded with, was more accusations, more mistrust, and more crap in general. You have my reads, you have my cases, and you have my general anger. I see no reason to put in the effort to type up a case for Jobie or anyone else at this point since my effort got me into this mess. IF E_P gives me a good enough reason, then maybe I will. Otherwise, screw all of you.
I still want Foxlet slot dead.
I want Silver dead a little bit less. I think he's more likely scum than town, but there's an earnestness in some of his posts that is difficult to fake.
I meant the post directed at me, not the claim just above.
Redirector/Busdriver can be either faction, so it's not exactly an indicator of alignment.
I'll have more tomorrow evening.
To be fair the post was mostly irrelevant, albeit a breeze of irrelevant fresh air.
Nothing is good enough for these people man. They have to be correct so bad its kinda sad. Like heaven forbid they be wrong and have to change views.
So? And you admit that, while mine was more extreme, his WAS a loaded question, right?
We'll see.
They hate us cause they ain't us.
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I just can't decide whether to give SS a pass for now and move onto MH immediately, or, let this wagon run it's course and worry about MH tomorrow.
SS claim in and of itself doesn't do anything for me. His attitude doesn't indicate one alignment or the other, and the role itself can definitely go either way.
-Not much in terms of really telling information
-3rd on the IB wagon, 8th on the SS one (10 to lynch).
-IB vote was a barn vote off IB's barn.
-SS vote is a vote based off someone else's analysis.
-I have yet to find really any direct opinions (on scumminess) on any player at all. (outside of votes)
Am I wrong on that last point MandersHex?
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Summary:
Total Win %: 40%
Total Scum Win %: 60%
Total Town Win %: 20%
Total Neutral Win %: 0%
At this point, I do not see SS as scum.
-Mainly, I do not see any obvious tells that would make SS scum.
-Claim is fair (Bus Driver)
-New player. @SS: So you have not played any games before? Have you been looking at games/articles on this forum or another forum?
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Mafia Stats
Summary:
Total Win %: 40%
Total Scum Win %: 60%
Total Town Win %: 20%
Total Neutral Win %: 0%
Correct. I've read a few back games, and I've been following three of the games that are currently ongoing (which obviously I don't want to talk about, since some of the same people are in them). I've also read a lot on mafiascum, just hopping from link to link to link in standard wiki-reading fashion. Reading only goes so far, though, so here I am.
Wait, aren't you already voting MH, or did you switch back and I missed it?
Reread a few things. SharkFinn is posting much better than Foxlet did, but I can't get Fox's over-defensive responses out of my head. Got my eye on Shark for Fox's play.
Don't like Manders lurk into voting post. Or her glorified barn. Or her attempt to justify her vote by asking the question "Do you disagree that he's been scummy all game?". That question feels like some kind of trap.
Noticed that nearly every time Reya posts, it comes with a vote. Albeit Reya hasn't posted much, but a high Vote-to-Post ratio pings my radar.
Still undecided about the SS wagon. I can see some scummy things coming from him, most recently the defeatism, but his newb card has got me doubting the case on him.
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No, I do not. I've already said that his question was obviously asked in an attempt to get a window into your mindset.
Read my posts if you're going to engage me, ok?
And what about when I flip town? What will you do then?
And before kpaca comes back with something along the lines of "shrug and move on," I don't mean about me. What will you do regarding those who've interacted with me?
I'm fairly certain you are incorrect, because I recall saying I think Cyan and AE are likely town. As for opinions on scumminess, I've voted for those I find scummy. (IB, SS.) I don't really have a read on anyone else.
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Well, Cyan's said I'm scum. GT has expressed concern, but withheld his vote a few times. I believe some have said I seem town. Iono, re-read the game when I'm dead and see for yourself.
Oh, Jobie said he thinks I'm town. I remember cause he said me and Cyan going at it, as per normal, would be a town-on-town fight that should be ignored until later.
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Why do you think I'm town? If you don't anymore, why did you think I was?
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I work 6-2:30 Friday-Tuesday. Because of a ****ty RL situation, the earliest I go to bed on most days is 10:30, more like 11:00 or later. I wake up at 4. So, during the week, I am waaaaaaaaaaaaay to exhausted to deal with Mafia. I'll TRY to force myself to post more during my work week from here on out, but that's what I meant the other day by "depending on how I feel." I'm always tired lately.
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His attitude doesnt indicate one way or the other and you want to lynch him.
Never change Cyan.
Right. I already saw him as scummy, and his attitude regarding his claim is a non-tell, meaning that I still see him as scummy. Pretty basic.
Your no votes to post ratio is disturbing and you are fencesitting and a lot of talk but no walk.
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Why the tude?
kpaca, I'd like you to meet Cyan. Cyan, meet kpaca.
I don't like the SS claim, it seems like my tilt saved me and now SS is trying to fake being upset. Especially after calling my tilt scummy, this behaviour sets off alarm bells.
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I don't know why you would think I'm not actually upset, but you're wrong. Try putting yourself in my shoes for a moment. You've been wanting to try mafia for a while now, you've done your research and followed the ongoing games, and finally your queue pops and it's time to try your hand at it. You get your PM -- you're town with a neat ability, although if scum find out about it you're probably in trouble. You try as hard as you can to help the town because you want to make a good impression on everyone in your first game, and because, you know, if you're obviously town, then you won't have to claim and you can sit back and protect people without being targeted by mafia. But somehow, no matter how hard you try to ram it into peoples' heads that you're town, they grow more and more surly. They suspect you, because you're actually putting effort into the game! They push you, and push you, and push you some more, and you get flustered. You're upset because all you've been trying to do is help and you're getting run up for it. You do everything that's asked of you, and it's still not enough. Eventually you have to claim. Now, whether you get lynched or not, you're not living out the night unless another power role gets outed. Your first game, you know, the one that you tried so hard to make a good impression in, is over...one way or another.
Please, tell me that you WOULDN'T be upset in that scenario.
As I've said several times now, I've been following a lot of the ongoing games (Magical Girl has been my favorite to keep up with), I've read a handful of completed games....usually ones that came up in discussion in ongoing, and I burrowed my way through mafiascum's wiki, reading most everything that sounded interesting.
I'm down with this.
Is IB generally accepted as town now?
Because looking at this, the fact he confirmed his vote after all this pressure, just looks bad.
@SS Getting lynched is nowhere near the end of the world.
You shouldn't have to try and "convince" people you're town. Only scum need to convince people that they are town.
I have the distinct feeling that Reya has gotten significantly better than the last time I saw him, and is also probably town.
Still feeling that IB is going anywhere everyone else goes to keep the pressure off him. Not to mention some of the things that SS did people have been arguing were scummy were done previously by IB.
-This post makes me believe SS is town.
-The newb card is thrown (waved, stuck in our faces, shoved down our throats, etc.)
-Putting myself in his shoes, I can understand it.
-Anyone who continues to vote him I will scrutinize and dissect posts to build strong case against.
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Mafia Stats
Summary:
Total Win %: 40%
Total Scum Win %: 60%
Total Town Win %: 20%
Total Neutral Win %: 0%
See, the post he made could come from pissed off scum, too. But I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Unvote Vote: kpaca
He made posts from the mindset of knowing that I am town. There's only one way he could know that.
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I still have big issues with Silver, but they are getting resolved slowly so I'm losing interest there. At the very least I feel like he put previous thought into the people he found scummy and didn't come up with it on the spot. I'm getting a sense we have another Murphy who simply knows more than the average player in their first game. Maybe with some ego tossed in there too.
Silver, I have a few more questions and then I think I can give my final verdic: So what things do you think work well as scum tells?
Who are players you've read and liked?
what made Ahlyis go from your scummiest (the FOS) to somewhere more int eh middle despite still saying you think he's scummy?
Hahahah wut.
Ok, there was just one, but you did.
Key word bolded for emphasis.
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This vote screams 'act of desperation'. Unvote, Vote MH