I wasn't invited to the party, if that's what you're asking. And other things have also left me completely confused.
Though I think I want to have Void claim more than ever now.
Uhh is anyone else confused by the wording of these posts?
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No other reason other then to see where his reads are. I really want to get some information and ideas on KJ as I havent had anything yet to work with.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
How is that a fact? It is possible that Void got protected somehow, and whoever protected him couldn't protect the cop on N2. Otherwise, why was there no N1 kill?
I think that post and others in the same vein are the reason that he was targeted by both kill and protective roles on N1. Since there was no NK, it adds up. That makes me put Void way high in my townies list. Iso gets a good amount of town points too.
This suggests that Void was targeted by GR on N1, and the scum attempted to kill him as well. However, we know that the Permablocker died N2. Therefore, one plausible scenario is that GR leaked his information on D1 somehow, and got permablocked, leaving him unable to protect Wheat N2.
I'm going to look back at GR's D1 posts. Unless information was leaked, I cannot see the scum randomfiring a permablock at GR otherwise.
The question then becomes: if that happened, why'd they kill him as well, given he was effectively vanilla? It seems really bad play, completely off from a scum team that could detect that he was a Superdoc on D1.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Iso it really doesn't bother you that we know so little about some players? I know you feel Digi is scum and I hold similar beliefs but I would also like to understand everyone in the town so that I can make a more informed decision on who I believe the best d4 lynch to be. It is seriously D4 and some people have posted so little we have no idea who they are or what side of the "fence" they are on.
Also to put up further info, I don't think that GR was the target of the permablock. Idk what super doctor means but I know that I hide under my covers from ghosts in my room each night which are scary enough to prevent me from doing anything.
Also to put up further info, I don't think that GR was the target of the permablock. Idk what super doctor means but I know that I hide under my covers from ghosts in my room each night which are scary enough to prevent me from doing anything.
1. You shouldn't have said this.
2. The cat's out of the bag, so you might as well claim what this means with precise language. Do you think you were the target of the permablock?
Not sure why I shouldn't of said that. If town claims everything that happens wouldn't it be easier to find the scum because there is no lies for them to hide in. (please explain why I should of said it either now or after the game.)
And this means precisely what you states, I believe that on night one I was the target of the permablock.
I'm going to reread so that I'm sure I'm not just remembering stuff from another game, or misremembering stuff or whatever. However I have work in a short while. So expect it before tomarrow. I'll stay up to do it.
So, yea you'll have it by approx 12-14 hours from now at the latest.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Not sure why I shouldn't of said that. If town claims everything that happens wouldn't it be easier to find the scum because there is no lies for them to hide in. (please explain why I should of said it either now or after the game.)
And this means precisely what you states, I believe that on night one I was the target of the permablock.
Not necessarily; if the scum are smart, their false-claims will enable them to blend in with the town, and the scum would be able to pick off the town power roles who have claimed.
That said, I thought a little more about this particular situation, and if you were indeed the target of the permablock, the scum already know that, so you're not giving them any new information. Given that, you claiming that was probably correct. However, I have to wonder why they targeted you. I should reread your D1 posts and see if anything stands out along those lines.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Well I'm not done yet, but my focus is quickly leaving me, making it impossible to do what you want me to do. I'll post what I haven now, then continue wheneverI get time.
Blah Blah RVS
sXe 57: Proclaims he wishes to be able to kill Drey on principle. Null, as it appears to stem from annoyance.
Iso 62: Reasonless vote on sXe. Interested in why.
Digi 63: claims that people think he's terrible. This presents the problem that now if he play's terribly, we are supposed to not link it to any factional mentality. However, I recall him doing this before. Null.
Cyouni 64: Claims Shalako replacing out is indicative of a scum mentality. While it's true that its somewhat common for someone to replace out because they're scum, it's not common enough to declare someone scum with no other evidence. I feel like he should know that the logic behind this action is obviously flawed. That therefore draws some suspicion towards him in my eyes.
Me 72: My thoughts here still apply.
Iso 78: Why does a new player casting a random vote at a point that's still technically the beginning of the game (though decidedly not RVS) trip your scumdar?
Cyouni 89: He now claims his vote was a random one. This feels like backtracking a scummy action, as I saw no indication of randomness in his original vote.
Iso 91: He's very specific in his question here. Drifting confirms in 92 that he did deturmine his random vote by use of a randomness method (rolling a die).
Iso 93: Iso seems confident that it's scummy to use random.org or similar methods to case your random vote. I do not share his confidence, although I think I know the reason he thinks this. Let's see if he confirms it.
Iso 99: What? Reason is not what I thought it would be.
Cyouni correctly claims the reason in 100 (the one I was thinking was something like "so they wouldn't make any early enemies, and to tell as little about themselves as possible")
Iso 101: Iso seems to be alluding that he thought of that as well, though that's not how I read his reasoning.
Reya 103: Basically my thoughts on DS at this time.
Iso 105: Iso being Iso. Null.
Allwin 130: Votes Shalako for replacing out. New, though. Either null or scummy.
Asian 135: Not game related. I just found this funny.
Allwin 141: He's digging a hole here. Asian could be onto something, or again, could be a noob defending himself badly.
Allwin 146: Allwin basically claims scum under cover of a joke.
Alwin 151: Unvotes himself.
Iso 156: Iso thinks Allwin is town. I disagree that that is a conclusion that's reasonable to come to.You seem to have his emotions down correctly, but panicked person who is unsure what to do could be town or scum. Gut feel maybe?
Drifting 166: Has my thoughts on Allwin down pat. Trapped noob is a noob, no way to tell from that if town or scum. Maybe we should check if his play magically starts getting better after night?
Iso 168: Dislikes 166. Can't wait to see that explaination.
GR 170: FOS Allwin. Null now that he's town.
Wheat 189: He claims that DRey and GR's votes on the Allwin wagon don't sit right with him. Since they are both town, and I currently have suspicion of Allwin, if this indicative of scum trying to save their buddy by pushing suspicion onto two townies?
Iso 193: I disagree with his explanation of DS's post. Nothing inherently scummy about the post though.
Void 194: Do tell. Why do you feel Iso is town?
Void 197: You say you've used dice to deturmine questioning. Can you explain that? Also, why is Cyouni town based on that comment? I agree that he's probably town, but why because of THAT comment?
Then there's some null stuff between sXe and Drey
Allwin 220: His scumlist on this could be very telling. Vish is on his town pile, while DRey and GR his only two scum.
Wheat 225: Kind of on the fence after Allwin plays newb card.
Wheat 228: Very on the fence on Allwin. Wait, Wheat is town. Null cuz of that.
Asian 261: Not sure what to make of it. What do you think about the TEIN, Iso exchange you've quoted? Edit: explained.
Void 321: I like this list.
Iso 359: Uhh... No he shouldn't. MASSIVE fishing, maybe. Then Iso seems to claim the same role? IDK.
Reya 390: Good reasoning here.
Reya 400: Wrong much? I'm not sure how it's not obvious that he was town at that point.
Iso 456: For one, it helps prove my opinion on Allwin, as Drey was in his scumlist, one of two people.
Current town: AI, Cyouni
Current scum: Allwin, Iso
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Well I'm not done yet, but my focus is quickly leaving me, making it impossible to do what you want me to do. I'll post what I haven now, then continue wheneverI get time.
Blah Blah RVS
sXe 57: Proclaims he wishes to be able to kill Drey on principle. Null, as it appears to stem from annoyance.
Iso 62: Reasonless vote on sXe. Interested in why.
Digi 63: claims that people think he's terrible. This presents the problem that now if he play's terribly, we are supposed to not link it to any factional mentality. However, I recall him doing this before. Null.
Cyouni 64: Claims Shalako replacing out is indicative of a scum mentality. While it's true that its somewhat common for someone to replace out because they're scum, it's not common enough to declare someone scum with no other evidence. I feel like he should know that the logic behind this action is obviously flawed. That therefore draws some suspicion towards him in my eyes.
Me 72: My thoughts here still apply.
Iso 78: Why does a new player casting a random vote at a point that's still technically the beginning of the game (though decidedly not RVS) trip your scumdar?
Cyouni 89: He now claims his vote was a random one. This feels like backtracking a scummy action, as I saw no indication of randomness in his original vote.
Iso 91: He's very specific in his question here. Drifting confirms in 92 that he did deturmine his random vote by use of a randomness method (rolling a die).
Iso 93: Iso seems confident that it's scummy to use random.org or similar methods to case your random vote. I do not share his confidence, although I think I know the reason he thinks this. Let's see if he confirms it.
Iso 99: What? Reason is not what I thought it would be.
Cyouni correctly claims the reason in 100 (the one I was thinking was something like "so they wouldn't make any early enemies, and to tell as little about themselves as possible")
Iso 101: Iso seems to be alluding that he thought of that as well, though that's not how I read his reasoning.
Reya 103: Basically my thoughts on DS at this time.
Iso 105: Iso being Iso. Null.
Allwin 130: Votes Shalako for replacing out. New, though. Either null or scummy.
Asian 135: Not game related. I just found this funny.
Allwin 141: He's digging a hole here. Asian could be onto something, or again, could be a noob defending himself badly.
Allwin 146: Allwin basically claims scum under cover of a joke.
Alwin 151: Unvotes himself.
Iso 156: Iso thinks Allwin is town. I disagree that that is a conclusion that's reasonable to come to.You seem to have his emotions down correctly, but panicked person who is unsure what to do could be town or scum. Gut feel maybe?
Drifting 166: Has my thoughts on Allwin down pat. Trapped noob is a noob, no way to tell from that if town or scum. Maybe we should check if his play magically starts getting better after night?
Iso 168: Dislikes 166. Can't wait to see that explaination.
GR 170: FOS Allwin. Null now that he's town.
Wheat 189: He claims that DRey and GR's votes on the Allwin wagon don't sit right with him. Since they are both town, and I currently have suspicion of Allwin, if this indicative of scum trying to save their buddy by pushing suspicion onto two townies?
Iso 193: I disagree with his explanation of DS's post. Nothing inherently scummy about the post though.
Void 194: Do tell. Why do you feel Iso is town?
Void 197: You say you've used dice to deturmine questioning. Can you explain that? Also, why is Cyouni town based on that comment? I agree that he's probably town, but why because of THAT comment?
Then there's some null stuff between sXe and Drey
Allwin 220: His scumlist on this could be very telling. Vish is on his town pile, while DRey and GR his only two scum.
Wheat 225: Kind of on the fence after Allwin plays newb card.
Wheat 228: Very on the fence on Allwin. Wait, Wheat is town. Null cuz of that.
Asian 261: Not sure what to make of it. What do you think about the TEIN, Iso exchange you've quoted? Edit: explained.
Void 321: I like this list.
Iso 359: Uhh... No he shouldn't. MASSIVE fishing, maybe. Then Iso seems to claim the same role? IDK.
Reya 390: Good reasoning here.
Reya 400: Wrong much? I'm not sure how it's not obvious that he was town at that point.
Iso 456: For one, it helps prove my opinion on Allwin, as Drey was in his scumlist, one of two people.
Current town: AI, Cyouni
Current scum: Allwin, Iso
I thank you for what you have done. Is your scum list based on just the posts you have commented on or the game up to this point? I ask this because your comments stop at post 456 but we are up to 980ish now. I look forward to hearing the rest when you have time (hopefully soon).
I thank you for what you have done. Is your scum list based on just the posts you have commented on or the game up to this point? I ask this because your comments stop at post 456 but we are up to 980ish now. I look forward to hearing the rest when you have time (hopefully soon).
Yes, it's based on what I've gotten to at that point. I should have a bit more done tonight, thought I'm not sure I'll post it if there's not that much.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
Yes, it's based on what I've gotten to at that point. I should have a bit more done tonight, thought I'm not sure I'll post it if there's not that much.
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Well if you dont post your entire notes I would atleast like to see your most current scum list after you review the game up to this point.
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Cyouni 64: Claims Shalako replacing out is indicative of a scum mentality. While it's true that its somewhat common for someone to replace out because they're scum, it's not common enough to declare someone scum with no other evidence. I feel like he should know that the logic behind this action is obviously flawed. That therefore draws some suspicion towards him in my eyes.
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Cyouni 89: He now claims his vote was a random one. This feels like backtracking a scummy action, as I saw no indication of randomness in his original vote.
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Cyouni correctly claims the reason in 100 (the one I was thinking was something like "so they wouldn't make any early enemies, and to tell as little about themselves as possible")
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Current town: AI, Cyouni
I see no possible way that the referenced posts could lead to the conclusion stated here, especially given the explanation you have behind those posts.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
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Well if you dont post your entire notes I would atleast like to see your most current scum list after you review the game up to this point.
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No, its not that I won't post all my notes. It's that I may not post all my notes in segments correlating to when and how much I read. If I only have time for 10 posts, I may post my thoughts regarding the posts I thought important in there, I may not. Regardless, in the end, all my notes will be posted at some point.
I see no possible way that the referenced posts could lead to the conclusion stated here, especially given the explanation you have behind those posts.
Please explain.
My reasoning is not in my notes, as it's less related to each individual post of yours more of a big picture thing.
My dissent of your posts were noted, such as obviously flawed logic and obvious backtracking. However, those mistakes are amateurish at best. Maybe I'm overestimating your abilities, but such obvious mistakes from a player of your calibur signal either that you don't care about the game, and are just making the mistakes because that's just what's happening, or that you're not in the least bit self-conscious of your play, which even the most experienced scum would likely be, to some extent. The content of your posts don't seem to indicate apathy toward this game, so I concluded the latter.
I'm not seeing you make such easy mistakes as scum. I'm just not.
Also, the third thing you quoted wasn't dissent, if you thought it was. Just an observation.
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Well that's a relief. And here I thought you were scum and you were gonna kill townies every night. My eyes have been opened to the light. All hail Cthulhu.
Seriously though, any reasons we don't need to take on faith?
KoolKoal: Feel free to take this with a grain of salt since self meta isn't particularly helpful, but I think I get scumread mostly for style over substance, but also for a certain lack of substance over style. It's not so much what I AM posting most of the time (though sometimes that can seem bad) but what I'm NOT posting. I've been told I come to non-obvious conclusions a lot, so when I post, quite a bit of the time there's jumps in logic that people can't follow and they think that's scummy. I get that accusation about a lot of questions I ask specifically. People call them "busy work" when the questions are legit etc.
As far as things to ignore, I can't think of anything. I would suggest you focus less on what I'm doing and more on how I'm doing it. That's probably more likely to be accurate. Like I've just said, what I do tends to come off a little weird, but if you look for how I do it, mindset comes into play and maybe you figure out something useful.
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
2011: Best Mafia Performance (Individual) - Best Newcomer
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Because a yes or no answer is harder to type than ++ing nothing into the thread?
I mean, I've said I haven't had a chance to read the thread, & am trying to participate concurrently – feel free to assist me, or be a speedbump, your call.
If not you, then...I guess we'll find out later.
/barn
Uhh is anyone else confused by the wording of these posts?
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Then why not just ask for his scum reads?
They obviously talk to each other during the Night phase. Most likely Unconfirmed Masons than scum at this point.
So you think that AI isn't scum anymore?
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2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I do believe him to be scum. More so after he called Cyouni scum.
That's why I'm calling them Unconfirmed.
This suggests that Void was targeted by GR on N1, and the scum attempted to kill him as well. However, we know that the Permablocker died N2. Therefore, one plausible scenario is that GR leaked his information on D1 somehow, and got permablocked, leaving him unable to protect Wheat N2.
I'm going to look back at GR's D1 posts. Unless information was leaked, I cannot see the scum randomfiring a permablock at GR otherwise.
The question then becomes: if that happened, why'd they kill him as well, given he was effectively vanilla? It seems really bad play, completely off from a scum team that could detect that he was a Superdoc on D1.
What, something happened at the party?
Also, I'm pretty sure the reason I want Void to claim isn't the same reason as yours.
Neither confirm nor deny. But apparently you aren't hosting.
Probably not, but I still don't trust him.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I'm getting a good laugh over here that so many people haven't figured out my role yet.
So, AsianI. Why are you starting to believe that Cyouni is scum?
You're working with outdated information. Not that I was talking to you, anyway.
This post here:
was only 19 posts ago and was posted toDay 5 hours and 1 minute ago.
Explain how this outdated informatoin please.
Cyouni posted since then. Obvobv.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Iso it really doesn't bother you that we know so little about some players? I know you feel Digi is scum and I hold similar beliefs but I would also like to understand everyone in the town so that I can make a more informed decision on who I believe the best d4 lynch to be. It is seriously D4 and some people have posted so little we have no idea who they are or what side of the "fence" they are on.
Also to put up further info, I don't think that GR was the target of the permablock. Idk what super doctor means but I know that I hide under my covers from ghosts in my room each night which are scary enough to prevent me from doing anything.
1. You shouldn't have said this.
2. The cat's out of the bag, so you might as well claim what this means with precise language. Do you think you were the target of the permablock?
Not sure why I shouldn't of said that. If town claims everything that happens wouldn't it be easier to find the scum because there is no lies for them to hide in. (please explain why I should of said it either now or after the game.)
And this means precisely what you states, I believe that on night one I was the target of the permablock.
So, yea you'll have it by approx 12-14 hours from now at the latest.
Not necessarily; if the scum are smart, their false-claims will enable them to blend in with the town, and the scum would be able to pick off the town power roles who have claimed.
That said, I thought a little more about this particular situation, and if you were indeed the target of the permablock, the scum already know that, so you're not giving them any new information. Given that, you claiming that was probably correct. However, I have to wonder why they targeted you. I should reread your D1 posts and see if anything stands out along those lines.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Vishamon flipped Luigi. Why do you think the scum have falseclaims?
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Roles, not names. There are two parts to a claim, after all.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
@Iso: I am glad to know you dont plan to let lurkers sit, I would just like to hear from them a bit today before a lynch has been decided on.
@Digi: I would like to hear your suspects with reasons now also.
@Ria(I believe that is the name of who switched in)
I hope to hear from you soon too but I do understand you had to catch up on the game.
@tordeck: hearing from you would also be nice. Suspect list with reasons please, of you wish not to share please explain why. Thank you.
We have alot of people not saying much this game and I feel it is a reason town keep dying...
Blah Blah RVS
sXe 57: Proclaims he wishes to be able to kill Drey on principle. Null, as it appears to stem from annoyance.
Iso 62: Reasonless vote on sXe. Interested in why.
Digi 63: claims that people think he's terrible. This presents the problem that now if he play's terribly, we are supposed to not link it to any factional mentality. However, I recall him doing this before. Null.
Cyouni 64: Claims Shalako replacing out is indicative of a scum mentality. While it's true that its somewhat common for someone to replace out because they're scum, it's not common enough to declare someone scum with no other evidence. I feel like he should know that the logic behind this action is obviously flawed. That therefore draws some suspicion towards him in my eyes.
Me 72: My thoughts here still apply.
Iso 78: Why does a new player casting a random vote at a point that's still technically the beginning of the game (though decidedly not RVS) trip your scumdar?
Cyouni 89: He now claims his vote was a random one. This feels like backtracking a scummy action, as I saw no indication of randomness in his original vote.
Iso 91: He's very specific in his question here. Drifting confirms in 92 that he did deturmine his random vote by use of a randomness method (rolling a die).
Iso 93: Iso seems confident that it's scummy to use random.org or similar methods to case your random vote. I do not share his confidence, although I think I know the reason he thinks this. Let's see if he confirms it.
Iso 99: What? Reason is not what I thought it would be.
Cyouni correctly claims the reason in 100 (the one I was thinking was something like "so they wouldn't make any early enemies, and to tell as little about themselves as possible")
Iso 101: Iso seems to be alluding that he thought of that as well, though that's not how I read his reasoning.
Reya 103: Basically my thoughts on DS at this time.
Iso 105: Iso being Iso. Null.
Allwin 130: Votes Shalako for replacing out. New, though. Either null or scummy.
Asian 135: Not game related. I just found this funny.
Allwin 141: He's digging a hole here. Asian could be onto something, or again, could be a noob defending himself badly.
Allwin 146: Allwin basically claims scum under cover of a joke.
Alwin 151: Unvotes himself.
Iso 156: Iso thinks Allwin is town. I disagree that that is a conclusion that's reasonable to come to.You seem to have his emotions down correctly, but panicked person who is unsure what to do could be town or scum. Gut feel maybe?
Drifting 166: Has my thoughts on Allwin down pat. Trapped noob is a noob, no way to tell from that if town or scum. Maybe we should check if his play magically starts getting better after night?
Iso 168: Dislikes 166. Can't wait to see that explaination.
GR 170: FOS Allwin. Null now that he's town.
Wheat 189: He claims that DRey and GR's votes on the Allwin wagon don't sit right with him. Since they are both town, and I currently have suspicion of Allwin, if this indicative of scum trying to save their buddy by pushing suspicion onto two townies?
Iso 193: I disagree with his explanation of DS's post. Nothing inherently scummy about the post though.
Void 194: Do tell. Why do you feel Iso is town?
Void 197: You say you've used dice to deturmine questioning. Can you explain that? Also, why is Cyouni town based on that comment? I agree that he's probably town, but why because of THAT comment?
Then there's some null stuff between sXe and Drey
Allwin 220: His scumlist on this could be very telling. Vish is on his town pile, while DRey and GR his only two scum.
Wheat 225: Kind of on the fence after Allwin plays newb card.
Wheat 228: Very on the fence on Allwin. Wait, Wheat is town. Null cuz of that.
Asian 261: Not sure what to make of it. What do you think about the TEIN, Iso exchange you've quoted? Edit: explained.
Void 321: I like this list.
Iso 359: Uhh... No he shouldn't. MASSIVE fishing, maybe. Then Iso seems to claim the same role? IDK.
Reya 390: Good reasoning here.
Reya 400: Wrong much? I'm not sure how it's not obvious that he was town at that point.
Iso 456: For one, it helps prove my opinion on Allwin, as Drey was in his scumlist, one of two people.
Current town: AI, Cyouni
Current scum: Allwin, Iso
I thank you for what you have done. Is your scum list based on just the posts you have commented on or the game up to this point? I ask this because your comments stop at post 456 but we are up to 980ish now. I look forward to hearing the rest when you have time (hopefully soon).
Yes, it's based on what I've gotten to at that point. I should have a bit more done tonight, thought I'm not sure I'll post it if there's not that much.
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Well if you dont post your entire notes I would atleast like to see your most current scum list after you review the game up to this point.
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Please explain.
Also, where is everyone?
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
No, its not that I won't post all my notes. It's that I may not post all my notes in segments correlating to when and how much I read. If I only have time for 10 posts, I may post my thoughts regarding the posts I thought important in there, I may not. Regardless, in the end, all my notes will be posted at some point.
My reasoning is not in my notes, as it's less related to each individual post of yours more of a big picture thing.
My dissent of your posts were noted, such as obviously flawed logic and obvious backtracking. However, those mistakes are amateurish at best. Maybe I'm overestimating your abilities, but such obvious mistakes from a player of your calibur signal either that you don't care about the game, and are just making the mistakes because that's just what's happening, or that you're not in the least bit self-conscious of your play, which even the most experienced scum would likely be, to some extent. The content of your posts don't seem to indicate apathy toward this game, so I concluded the latter.
I'm not seeing you make such easy mistakes as scum. I'm just not.
Also, the third thing you quoted wasn't dissent, if you thought it was. Just an observation.
Why is it so preposterous? You certainly aren't suggesting you're obvtown, are you?
Of course I am.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Perhaps your spectacles are a little too far down your nose.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
And the reason everyone should believe you is _______.
Fill in that blank.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
Well that's a relief. And here I thought you were scum and you were gonna kill townies every night. My eyes have been opened to the light. All hail Cthulhu.
Seriously though, any reasons we don't need to take on faith?
Seriously, if you think I'm scum, build a case or gtfo.
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
You're seriously claiming Batman?
{мы, тьма}
2012: Best (False?) Role Claim - Worst Town Performance (Group) - Best Mafia Performance (Group) - Best SK Performance - Best Overall Player
2013: Best Non-SK Neutral Performance
2014: Best Town Performance (Individual) - Best Town Performance (Group) - Most Interesting Role - Best Game - Best Overall Player
2015: Worst Mafia Performance (Group) - Best Read
2016: Best Town Performance (Group) - Best Town Player - Best Overall Player
I mean, I've said I haven't had a chance to read the thread, & am trying to participate concurrently – feel free to assist me, or be a speedbump, your call.