GW Tokens

[david13]

Deck
Creatures - 10 4 Centaur's Herald 4 Wayfaring Temple 2 Trostani, Selesnya's Voice Other Spells - 30 4 Call of the Conclave 4 Intangible Virtue 4 Gather the Townsfolk 4 Midnight Haunting 4 Druid's Deliverance 4 Rootborn Defenses 3 Growing Ranks 2 Parallel Lives 1 Collective Blessing	Lands - 20 4 Grove of the Guardian 4 Evolving Wilds 2 Selesnya Guildgate 2 Sunpetal Grove 4 Forest 4 Plains	Sideboard - 15 4 Oblivion Ring 4 Sundering Growth 2 Martial Law 1 Rest in Peace 4 Selesnya Charm

I am looking for any comments, helpful information or advice, etc. on how this could be improved. In playtesting, it can push out 20 damage on turn 5, so I am wondering if that is decent enough to be successful. I want to keep it strictly Green-White. I am curious, also, since I haven't bought most of these cards, if this archetype is even valid in the Standard meta.

My idea was that with Rootborn Defenses and Druid's Deliverance, I would be fairly safe against aggro, since Delver is no longer relevant. I am also thinking about removing Collective Blessing and adding another Parallel Lives, but the Blessing is a blowout if it resolves, which it most likely will.

I was considering GWB Tokens for Lingering Souls, but as it isn't instant-speed, and requires another color, then Midnight Haunting will be sufficient for my needs.

[david13]

I am also not intending to keep the Guildgates. They will have to suffice until I get Shocklands though.

[urabrask the hidden]

maybe try two armada wurm

[portum89]

ajani??

[Grot22]

This is my take on GW Token abuse:

Deck
CREATURES (24) 4x Champion of Lambholt 3x Arbor Elf 3x Doomed Traveler 3x Geist-Honored Monk 3x Strangleroot Geist 3x Vitu-Ghazi Guildmage 3x Wayfaring Temple 2x Trostani, Selesnya's Voice ENCHANTMENTS (7) 3x Rancor 2x Intangible Virtue 2x Parallel Lives	INSTANT (3) 3x Selesny Charm SORCERY (6) 4x Gather the Townsfolk 2x Lingering Souls LAND (22) 6x Plains 6x Forest 4x Temple Garden 4x Sunpetal Grove 2x Gavony Township	Sideboard (15) 3x Sundering Growth 2x Sublime Archangel 2x Ajani, Caller of the Pride 2x Garruck, Primal Hunter 2x Entreat the Angels 2x Increasing Devotion 2x Sigarda, Host of Herons

[david13]

Originally Posted by Grot22

This is my take on GW Token abuse:

I like this more aggro oriented build, but it is more expensive than I am wanting the deck to be. As for the comment about the Armada Wurm, it is a good card, and I may run them, if I pull them or get a good trade, but I think that they are a little hard to get out, which is the same reason for only running 2 Trostanis.

[david13]

Originally Posted by portum89

ajani??

Also too expensive, and I don't want to run planeswalkers, unless, maybe, I get a Garruk.

[Reffan]

The problem with the OP's deck is that it's getting pulled in 2 directions. One side wants to make lots of tokens, the other side wants to make good tokens. You could take the deck in either direction.

Tons of Tokens
Creatures (10) 4 Doomed Travelers 4 Wayfaring Temple 2 Trostani, Selesnya's Voice Enchantments (10) 2 Rancor 4 Intangible Virtue 3 Parallel Lives 1 Collective Blessing Instants/Sorceries (18) 4 Gather the Townsfolk 4 Selesnya Charm 4 Midnight Haunting 2 Druid's Deliverance 2 Rootborn Defenses 2 Increasing Devotion	Lands (22) 2 Grove of the Guardian 2 Sunpetal Grove 4 Evolving Wilds 2 Selesnya Guildgate 5 Forest 7 Plains	Sideboard (15) 2 Oblivion Ring 2 Nevermore 2 Martial Law 2 Rest in Peace 4 Sundering Growth 1 Rootborn Defenses 2 Knight of Glory

I bumped the land count up to 22 (20 seemed WAY low to me). I'm not sold on your choice of Evolving Wilds, but I stuck with it here to help assure Trostani comes out ASAP (plus thinning lands later on is generally a good idea with this deck). Selesnya Charm is just too good/versatile to leave out of the maindeck.

Or on the other hand you could go this way...

Good Tokens
Creatures (10) 4 Centaur's Herald 4 Wayfaring Temple 2 Trostani, Selesnya's Voice Enchantments (10) 4 Rancor 3 Intangible Virtue 3 Growing Ranks Instants/Sorceries (18) 4 Call of the Conclave 4 Selesnya Charm 3 Druid's Deliverance 4 Rootborn Defenses 3 Eyes in the Skies	Land (22) 4 Grove of the Guardian 2 Sunpetal Grove 4 Evolving Wilds 2 Selesnya Guildgate 5 Plains 5 Forest	Sideboard 4 Sundering Growth 2 Rest in Peace 2 Knight of Glory 3 Nevermore 4 Oblivion Ring

One last comment on Nevermore as a sideboard choice. I feel like this card is overlooked as a sideboard choice because it's not great against aggro/tempo decks. But against control decks or specific sideboard hate, it's very good. Since there are specific cards that can just completely hose a token deck (Detention Sphere, Sever the Bloodline, etc.) it can be very comforting to have a preemptive counter to these problem cards (especially if you know your meta and which hate cards people are running).

[Kyon Dark]

Here's the version I'm running (with the help of some friends of mine )

Deck
Creatures (12) 4 Arbor Elf 4 Avacyn's Pilgrim 4 Wayfaring Temple Other Spells (24) 4 Call of the Conclave 3 Selesnya Charm 3 Midnight Haunting 4 Rancor 4 Intangible Virtue 4 Increasing Devotion 2 Collective Blessing	Lands (24) 4 Plains 8 Forest 4 Sunpetal Grove 4 Temple Garden 3 Gavony Township 1 Grove of the Guardian

With the extra ramp I put in the deck, pulling out an Increasing Devotion early isn't hard. Afterwards, dropping a Collective Blessing afterwards is brutal, making your measly mana dorks into 4/4 attackers and your tokens even more so.

[Laxgoalie]

Deck
Creatures-13 4x Avacyn's Pilgrim 2x Deathrite Shaman 2x Wayfaring Temple 2x Vitu-Ghazi Guildmage 2x Doomed Travelers 1x Trostani, Selesnya's Voice Enchantments-8 4x Intangible Virtue 2x Collective Blessing 2x Rancor Instants/Sorceries-9 2x Call of the Conclave 4x Lingering Souls 2x Midnight Haunting 1x Gather the Townsfolk 2x Rootborn Defenses	Planeswalkers-4 1x Garruk, Primal Hunter 1x Garruk Relentless 2x Sorin, Lord of Innistrad Lands -24 4x Plains 5x Forests 2x Swamps 4x Sunpetal Grove 4x Isolated Chapel 2x Woodland Cemetary 1x Overgrown Tomb 1x Vault of the Archangel 1x Grove of the Guardian	Sideboard 2x Tragic Slip 3x Oblivion Ring 1x Rancor 2x Midnight Hauntings 1x Gather the Townsfolk 4x Sundering Growth 2x Vile Rebirth

This is the G/W/b Token deck I took to a 42 person FNM last week that I won. I only lost a single game the entire night, because a R/G lightening, Champion of Lambholt deck got ahead of me once with some lucky draws, but I beat him 2-1.
A couple things: This deck is not complete yet. I still need 4x Selesnya Charms, 1 more Garruk Relentless, 1 more Collective Blessing and 2 more Call of the Conclave, to replace my Doomed Travelers, Midnight Hauntings (2 will stay on sideboard), Gather the Townsfolks, and Garruk, Primal Hunter (the is a bit difficult to get)

Collective Blessing and Intangible Virtue are what make this deck. If both are on the field and you have anything resembling a presence, token-wise, you win the game, save a sweep. I found Vitu-Ghazi to also be phenomenal, helping me to pump out either centaurs or spirits when the need arose. Deathrite Shaman is also wonderful just because of his interaction with all decks and any deck with g/b should be playing. He actually only saw the board once all tournament, but in that game alone, did 8 damage, and gained me 2 life. He's a champ.

[Kelann08]

Originally Posted by david13

I am curious, also, since I haven't bought most of these cards, if this archetype is even valid in the Standard meta.

In my experience, tokens are being focused pretty hard by other decks. People continue to build anti-token but don't seem to be overly concerned with the W/U/R Miracles deck floating around. Sever, O Ring 2.0 plus the multitude of Miracles are making it harder to run an effective token deck, especially one that focuses on building out and not up (many small vs. few big).

I prefer GW beatdown with ramp. Skip the tokens altogether, toss in 8 mana dorks, some fast early damage and start dropping Aramda Wurms on turn four. If Trostoni came out in turn three that's +10 life.