If I can trade my revised Tropical Island any time for four new ones, my revised edition would always have a market value of at least four times that of the new one. Why would anybody pay $25 for a new Tropical Island when they can pay $90 for an old one and trade it for a set? The revised copy could be worth more (than four new copies) for collectible reasons, but never worth less.
I think people would be had pressed to make a trade that's at best break even. Even players (non collectors) are sensitive to value.
If I can trade my revised Tropical Island any time for four new ones, my revised edition would always have a market value of at least four times that of the new one. Why would anybody pay $25 for a new Tropical Island when they can pay $90 for an old one and trade it for a set? The revised copy could be worth more (than four new copies) for collectible reasons, but never worth less.
I think people would be had pressed to make a trade that's at best break even. Even players (non collectors) are sensitive to value.
Demand for reprints would mainly come for two kinds of people: those that just prefer to spend less and those that want the new version (because they consider it "pimper" than an ugly white bordered Revised version, or people that just wanted to collect this new version).
If I can trade my revised Tropical Island any time for four new ones, my revised edition would always have a market value of at least four times that of the new one. Why would anybody pay $25 for a new Tropical Island when they can pay $90 for an old one and trade it for a set? The revised copy could be worth more (than four new copies) for collectible reasons, but never worth less.
I think people would be had pressed to make a trade that's at best break even. Even players (non collectors) are sensitive to value.
And you also have to consider that prices move accordingly to what people is doing. If many think like you, what would happen is that the Revised dual would cost more than 4 reprints, so to encourage splitting, someone would have to be willing to pay more than 1/4 of the Revised dual price plus split fee. If prices are $90 and $30, those holding originals would find profitable to split cards, until reprints are closer to (Revised price+plit fee/4), when reprints supply has increased enough.
If prices are $90 and $30, those holding originals would find profitable to split cards,
But why would anyone buy a reprint for $30 when they can get four for $90 (plus a fee, which will be less than thirty dollars)? Nobody would! These theoretical reprints could never hold a value of more than 25% of the original any more than a quarter can hold a value of more than $0.25.
But why would anyone buy a reprint for $30 when they can get four for $90 (plus a fee, which will be less than thirty dollars)? Nobody would! These theoretical reprints could never hold a value of more than 25% of the original any more than a quarter can hold a value of more than $0.25.
as the originals dry up they will increase.
and who cares if they are 1/4 of the price at first. That's a GOOD thing.
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Currently Playing: Standard:
Nothing, the format Bores me! Legacy: RBurn (Made on the Cheap!)R RGBelcherRG WSoldier StompyW BReanimatorB EDH: BUGRWSliver OverlordWRGUB BGeth, Lord of the VaultB
and who cares if they are 1/4 of the price at first. That's a GOOD thing.
That is a good thing! But it won't entice me to trade in my revised. As originals dry up, reprints will increase, but will be limited proportionally to the increase in those ever so scarcer originals.
I suppose (at least at first) demand (and hence price) for the originals would drop as people previously looking for four can now be happy with one (and redeem it). That would be a good thing.
But why would anyone buy a reprint for $30 when they can get four for $90 (plus a fee, which will be less than thirty dollars)? Nobody would! These theoretical reprints could never hold a value of more than 25% of the original any more than a quarter can hold a value of more than $0.25.
Prices would fluctuate, but in average, an original card price should be a bit less than 4 times the reprinted price plus fees. For example, $90 for a Revised Tropical and $25 for reprinted ones, with a $5 fee. Many people would just want a reprinted copy, instead of having to buy an original and splitting it, specially if they need to play the card soon in a tournament.
That is a good thing! But it won't entice me to trade in my revised. As originals dry up, reprints will increase, but will be limited proportionally to the increase in those ever so scarcer originals.
I suppose (at least at first) demand (and hence price) for the originals would drop as people previously looking for four can now be happy with one (and redeem it). That would be a good thing.
I would expect splits being done by people that find it profitable and don't need the cards urgently.
Originals would be demanded at first because they are the only way to get new copies.
A reprinted Tropical Island playset should be more valuable than 1 Revised copy in poor condition, because it allows you to play 4 copies in your deck NOW, while with the Revised card you can't play 4 until you split it, and it doesn't have any "extra value" (it isn't "pimp").
I love the "woh is me" attitude from people who won't buy them because they're too much. Vice versa could be said too after a reprint, except there are less hard workers than whiners.
That is a good thing! But it won't entice me to trade in my revised. As originals dry up, reprints will increase, but will be limited proportionally to the increase in those ever so scarcer originals.
I suppose (at least at first) demand (and hence price) for the originals would drop as people previously looking for four can now be happy with one (and redeem it). That would be a good thing.
I will be the first in line to trade in most of my duals.
I'll might hang on to my NM ones though.
That's the point of this exercise though, you can choose to split or keep your originals.
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Currently Playing: Standard:
Nothing, the format Bores me! Legacy: RBurn (Made on the Cheap!)R RGBelcherRG WSoldier StompyW BReanimatorB EDH: BUGRWSliver OverlordWRGUB BGeth, Lord of the VaultB
I will be the first in line to trade in most of my duals.
I'll might hang on to my NM ones though.
That's the point of this exercise though, you can choose to split or keep your originals.
I also suppose that stores may be willing to split some of their cards even if it isn't directly profitable, just to be able to sell their stock more easily, to customers that just want cheaper reprinted versions.
I love the "woh is me" attitude from people who won't buy them because they're too much. Vice versa could be said too after a reprint, except there are less hard workers than whiners.
The problem with Reserved List cards isn't just that they may be expensive (that's relative), but that their supply keeps decreasing, so less people attends tournaments and therefore less tournaments are organized, until the format dies, like Vintage.
Splits would be a way to keep increasing a supply that naturally decreases, while being good for collection's value, as originals would be still playable and needed to create new copies.
I also suppose that stores may be willing to split some of their cards even if it isn't directly profitable, just to be able to sell their stock more easily, to customers that just want cheaper reprinted versions.
That's my thought.
Selling 2 copies of a dual and having 2 in your case is better than having 1 dual sit for a while.
Selling all 4 copies is roughly the same and allows more people to play.
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Currently Playing: Standard:
Nothing, the format Bores me! Legacy: RBurn (Made on the Cheap!)R RGBelcherRG WSoldier StompyW BReanimatorB EDH: BUGRWSliver OverlordWRGUB BGeth, Lord of the VaultB
I love the "woh is me" attitude from people who won't buy them because they're too much. Vice versa could be said too after a reprint, except there are less hard workers than whiners.
The bulk of concern (that I've noticed) comes from people like me who do buy them (and/or have them from earlier) but want to keep playing them for years to come. That means Legacy has to stay accessible to those "who won't buy them because they're too much" - regardless of their attitude or whether they whine, work hard, neither, or both.
I would love to read it. And you mention in the article about a possible masters set. Well now with Modern Masters you have something to base your hypothesis off of. I think that the success of Modern Masters and the cards value from it could go a long way in WOTC deciding to do something about the reserved list.
I would love to read it. And you mention in the article about a possible masters set. Well now with Modern Masters you have something to base your hypothesis off of. I think that the success of Modern Masters and the cards value from it could go a long way in WOTC deciding to do something about the reserved list.
Really? I see Modern Masters and other support/pushes for Modern as a sure sign that WotC have all but abandoned the eternal formats.
That would flip the middle finger to everyone methinks.
They wont though, because of reasons.
The Reserved List is a good thing because it shows that they DO keep their word, even if their word isn't legally binding. Its not going to hurt them financially to NOT reprint things on the list.
The only people it will hurt are the people who want more new blood in the older eternal formats that practically rely on those cards. Everyone else who can't, and therefore wont, be able to obtain those cards move on to other formats.
This is coming from a person who would love to be able to play with some duals.
Ive said it in other places before: I do have a few reserved list cards, not a huge amount but some, but I would love to see some get reprinted. At least the ones that are most important to Legacy. It is such a fun format and I love it when people that are newer come by and say that what is happening is cool. I just wish that they could participate, because it is by far the most fun format to play.
I wasn't able to read through almost 90 pages of discussion but nonetheless I've tried to grasp the whole mess about the RL recently and I'm here to check that I'm understanding the gist of it correctly.
So back in the day, the Reprint Policy was discussed with players to an extent here:
Even back then, Randy acknowledged that the big concern from collectors is in fact misguided as the originals of popular reprinted cards in fact gained value rather than lose it.
This seems obvious as when the supply is broadened by the reprints, more players come in seeking the originals for their collections/pimped decks, hence moving the value of the originals up.
Then, premium products came and some of the reserved cards were reprinted in foil (another broken promise).
And then, cards such as Reverberate were printed to "work around" the RL's limitations, which, again, can be easily perceived by some as a broken promise:
There's a lot of "WoTC need to keep their promise" flying around so let me get this straight: Who exactly needs that promise, which had been apparently revised, tweaked, "broken", adjusted, whatever you want to call it, several times now and was communicated with players publicly in the past?
So, there seems to be a tiny little part of the player/collector base (compared to the base as a whole now), who lobbies WoTC in secret, presumably using the same old argument about "collectors' concerns" and this group of people seems to have so much sway with WoTC, there were able strike some kind of a deal with grave legal and financial consequences for WoTC, were this deal be broken. This deal is treated as a top secret, under a heavy information embargo:
And this "contract from below", so to speak, was prompted by an "experiment gone bad". I, for one, am very curious to know, what _exactly_ went so wrong:
Correct me if I'm wrong but the original promise was not a legal-binding document but a loosely outlined Reprint Policy, which, of course, was a subject to change, as we have seen repeatedly.
What is so special about these people that makes even WoTC cave in and agree to such a shady deal?
I am a collector myself but have never even heard about anyone who would be genuinely afraid that a rare foil reprint would de-value their collection of _original old cards_.
There used to be a premium reprint loophole, so that's why we were able to get cards like Mox Diamond in From the Vault: Relics. But then collectors complained and the loophole was closed down two years ago. Even though they might not have a case when suing WotC, Wizards would still have to pay legal fees and some people would lose faith in the game.
One of the Reserved List cards in which I own is a Sliver Queen. I have mixed feelings about it's decision to be on the Reserved list. While it is good that the card will retain its value, they are only in limited stock, so it could kill the Sliver EDH idea in the future.
For some people it would be a good thing, but in reality slivers aren't THAT strong.
I wasn't able to read through almost 90 pages of discussion but nonetheless I've tried to grasp the whole mess about the RL recently and I'm here to check that I'm understanding the gist of it correctly.
>snip<
This is an excellent summary of the entire history of the much-lamented Reserved List. I recall the original Elder Dragon Legends dropping from $60-ish to $25 each practically overnight, leading the knee-jerk reaction that is the Reserved List.
As a collector, I understand the worry some may have if they decide to reprint P9 cards, but truthfully, they seem to (mostly) reprint responsibly. A judge foil Black Lotus will not cause a Beta to drop in value due to the fact that so few will be added to the marketplace. On the other hand, the Commander Sol Ring reprint was a bit irresponsible in my opinion.
My point is, limited reprints really should be acceptable and it's a shame the loophole was closed. As it stands, players sit and hope for new cards that may, in some way, resemble Reserved cards.
My hope: Legendary versions of ABUR dual lands. A guy can dream, eh?
This is an excellent summary of the entire history of the much-lamented Reserved List. I recall the original Elder Dragon Legends dropping from $60-ish to $25 each practically overnight, leading the knee-jerk reaction that is the Reserved List.
The infamous Chronicles incident. That might have been a tad insensitive but in a long run I cannot see the originals losing value, especially those in good condition. You see, Legends were too close to Chronicles. Today, it's a completely different story.
The supply of (near)mint originals can only go down whereas the number of collectors seeking originals after a reprint can only go up the way I see it.
As a collector, I understand the worry some may have if they decide to reprint P9 cards, but truthfully, they seem to (mostly) reprint responsibly. A judge foil Black Lotus will not cause a Beta to drop in value due to the fact that so few will be added to the marketplace. On the other hand, the Commander Sol Ring reprint was a bit irresponsible in my opinion.
My point is, limited reprints really should be acceptable and it's a shame the loophole was closed. As it stands, players sit and hope for new cards that may, in some way, resemble Reserved cards.
The most interesting aspect of this affair for me is the protectionist angle.
Magic cards are completely non-essential product, it's not drinking water or anything. If there's demand for additional cards to play with, it has nothing to do with out-of-print originals in someone's collection.
What RL does in essence is protecting the rich so they can be even richer just by sitting on their cards. But even then, the collectors' concerns argument has been shown to be mostly invalid anyway.
As a collector myself, I care to have my collection intact but could care less if there's a short-term or even long-term drop in price of a particular card. For me, the point of a collection is not hoarding "wealth"...
I'd like to have a discussion with a collector who genuinely feels entitled to their paper cards going up in value indefinitely.
Thinking about it, I have my doubts about the people causing so much of an uproar behind the scenes that led to the shady deal discussed above. I think those are not even real collectors but regular businessmen who have the real financial incentive to demand protection from WotC and some of them might be even sensitive to short-term price drops.
How many of them is necessary for WotC to buckle, that's what I wanna know
This is an excellent summary of the entire history of the much-lamented Reserved List. I recall the original Elder Dragon Legends dropping from $60-ish to $25 each practically overnight, leading the knee-jerk reaction that is the Reserved List.
As a collector, I understand the worry some may have if they decide to reprint P9 cards, but truthfully, they seem to (mostly) reprint responsibly. A judge foil Black Lotus will not cause a Beta to drop in value due to the fact that so few will be added to the marketplace. On the other hand, the Commander Sol Ring reprint was a bit irresponsible in my opinion.
My point is, limited reprints really should be acceptable and it's a shame the loophole was closed. As it stands, players sit and hope for new cards that may, in some way, resemble Reserved cards.
My hope: Legendary versions of ABUR dual lands. A guy can dream, eh?
In what way was reprinting one of the most important cards in edh irresponsible?
I think people would be had pressed to make a trade that's at best break even. Even players (non collectors) are sensitive to value.
https://fieldmarshalshandbook.wordpress.com/
RUGLegacy Lands.dec
RUGBLegacy Lands.dec
RGLegacy Lands.dec
WUBRG EDH Lands.dec
UBR EDH Artificer Prodigy
B EDH Relentless Rats
Demand for reprints would mainly come for two kinds of people: those that just prefer to spend less and those that want the new version (because they consider it "pimper" than an ugly white bordered Revised version, or people that just wanted to collect this new version).
And you also have to consider that prices move accordingly to what people is doing. If many think like you, what would happen is that the Revised dual would cost more than 4 reprints, so to encourage splitting, someone would have to be willing to pay more than 1/4 of the Revised dual price plus split fee. If prices are $90 and $30, those holding originals would find profitable to split cards, until reprints are closer to (Revised price+plit fee/4), when reprints supply has increased enough.
But why would anyone buy a reprint for $30 when they can get four for $90 (plus a fee, which will be less than thirty dollars)? Nobody would! These theoretical reprints could never hold a value of more than 25% of the original any more than a quarter can hold a value of more than $0.25.
https://fieldmarshalshandbook.wordpress.com/
RUGLegacy Lands.dec
RUGBLegacy Lands.dec
RGLegacy Lands.dec
WUBRG EDH Lands.dec
UBR EDH Artificer Prodigy
B EDH Relentless Rats
as the originals dry up they will increase.
and who cares if they are 1/4 of the price at first. That's a GOOD thing.
Currently Playing:
Standard:
Nothing, the format Bores me!
Legacy:
RBurn (Made on the Cheap!)R
RGBelcherRG
WSoldier StompyW
BReanimatorB
EDH:
BUGRWSliver OverlordWRGUB
BGeth, Lord of the VaultB
That is a good thing! But it won't entice me to trade in my revised. As originals dry up, reprints will increase, but will be limited proportionally to the increase in those ever so scarcer originals.
I suppose (at least at first) demand (and hence price) for the originals would drop as people previously looking for four can now be happy with one (and redeem it). That would be a good thing.
https://fieldmarshalshandbook.wordpress.com/
RUGLegacy Lands.dec
RUGBLegacy Lands.dec
RGLegacy Lands.dec
WUBRG EDH Lands.dec
UBR EDH Artificer Prodigy
B EDH Relentless Rats
Prices would fluctuate, but in average, an original card price should be a bit less than 4 times the reprinted price plus fees. For example, $90 for a Revised Tropical and $25 for reprinted ones, with a $5 fee. Many people would just want a reprinted copy, instead of having to buy an original and splitting it, specially if they need to play the card soon in a tournament.
I would expect splits being done by people that find it profitable and don't need the cards urgently.
Originals would be demanded at first because they are the only way to get new copies.
Rules Advisor: 9/5/11
Old, sparsely updated because of above: Trade with me!
Weirdly, standard has been BAD since JTMS was banned, it hasn't been fun, nor healthy since.
I will be the first in line to trade in most of my duals.
I'll might hang on to my NM ones though.
That's the point of this exercise though, you can choose to split or keep your originals.
Currently Playing:
Standard:
Nothing, the format Bores me!
Legacy:
RBurn (Made on the Cheap!)R
RGBelcherRG
WSoldier StompyW
BReanimatorB
EDH:
BUGRWSliver OverlordWRGUB
BGeth, Lord of the VaultB
I also suppose that stores may be willing to split some of their cards even if it isn't directly profitable, just to be able to sell their stock more easily, to customers that just want cheaper reprinted versions.
The problem with Reserved List cards isn't just that they may be expensive (that's relative), but that their supply keeps decreasing, so less people attends tournaments and therefore less tournaments are organized, until the format dies, like Vintage.
Splits would be a way to keep increasing a supply that naturally decreases, while being good for collection's value, as originals would be still playable and needed to create new copies.
That's my thought.
Selling 2 copies of a dual and having 2 in your case is better than having 1 dual sit for a while.
Selling all 4 copies is roughly the same and allows more people to play.
Currently Playing:
Standard:
Nothing, the format Bores me!
Legacy:
RBurn (Made on the Cheap!)R
RGBelcherRG
WSoldier StompyW
BReanimatorB
EDH:
BUGRWSliver OverlordWRGUB
BGeth, Lord of the VaultB
Even big stores that organize tournaments may be willing to split copies so more people can attend them.
The bulk of concern (that I've noticed) comes from people like me who do buy them (and/or have them from earlier) but want to keep playing them for years to come. That means Legacy has to stay accessible to those "who won't buy them because they're too much" - regardless of their attitude or whether they whine, work hard, neither, or both.
https://fieldmarshalshandbook.wordpress.com/
RUGLegacy Lands.dec
RUGBLegacy Lands.dec
RGLegacy Lands.dec
WUBRG EDH Lands.dec
UBR EDH Artificer Prodigy
B EDH Relentless Rats
Really? I see Modern Masters and other support/pushes for Modern as a sure sign that WotC have all but abandoned the eternal formats.
https://fieldmarshalshandbook.wordpress.com/
RUGLegacy Lands.dec
RUGBLegacy Lands.dec
RGLegacy Lands.dec
WUBRG EDH Lands.dec
UBR EDH Artificer Prodigy
B EDH Relentless Rats
Super-Duper Island Plains
Land - Island Plains Common
When SDIP etb, gain 1 life.
That would flip the middle finger to everyone methinks.
They wont though, because of reasons.
The Reserved List is a good thing because it shows that they DO keep their word, even if their word isn't legally binding. Its not going to hurt them financially to NOT reprint things on the list.
The only people it will hurt are the people who want more new blood in the older eternal formats that practically rely on those cards. Everyone else who can't, and therefore wont, be able to obtain those cards move on to other formats.
This is coming from a person who would love to be able to play with some duals.
I wasn't able to read through almost 90 pages of discussion but nonetheless I've tried to grasp the whole mess about the RL recently and I'm here to check that I'm understanding the gist of it correctly.
So back in the day, the Reprint Policy was discussed with players to an extent here:
http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtgcom/daily/rb9
Even back then, Randy acknowledged that the big concern from collectors is in fact misguided as the originals of popular reprinted cards in fact gained value rather than lose it.
This seems obvious as when the supply is broadened by the reprints, more players come in seeking the originals for their collections/pimped decks, hence moving the value of the originals up.
So, we might argue that the original intent of the RL is invalid from the get go:
http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/20074053606/what-was-the-original-intent-of-the-oft-decried
So, the Reprint Policy was changed, which some people could have easily perceived as a "broken promise":
http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtgcom/daily/rb29
Then, premium products came and some of the reserved cards were reprinted in foil (another broken promise).
And then, cards such as Reverberate were printed to "work around" the RL's limitations, which, again, can be easily perceived by some as a broken promise:
http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/32012175825/if-fork-is-on-the-reserved-list-why-is-reverberate
There's a lot of "WoTC need to keep their promise" flying around so let me get this straight: Who exactly needs that promise, which had been apparently revised, tweaked, "broken", adjusted, whatever you want to call it, several times now and was communicated with players publicly in the past?
Here's a hint:
http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/27687888617/i-know-that-it-is-said-that-there-are-people-who-are
So, there seems to be a tiny little part of the player/collector base (compared to the base as a whole now), who lobbies WoTC in secret, presumably using the same old argument about "collectors' concerns" and this group of people seems to have so much sway with WoTC, there were able strike some kind of a deal with grave legal and financial consequences for WoTC, were this deal be broken. This deal is treated as a top secret, under a heavy information embargo:
http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/25027504830/i-understand-you-cant-talk-about-why-you-cant-change
And this "contract from below", so to speak, was prompted by an "experiment gone bad". I, for one, am very curious to know, what _exactly_ went so wrong:
http://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/8784118216/why-the-reserved-list-is-off-limits-for-ftv-legends-but
Correct me if I'm wrong but the original promise was not a legal-binding document but a loosely outlined Reprint Policy, which, of course, was a subject to change, as we have seen repeatedly.
What is so special about these people that makes even WoTC cave in and agree to such a shady deal?
I am a collector myself but have never even heard about anyone who would be genuinely afraid that a rare foil reprint would de-value their collection of _original old cards_.
Finally, let's quote a tidbit from the official Reprint Policy:
http://www.wizards.com/Magic/TCG/Article.aspx?x=magic/products/reprintpolicy
"The exclusion of any particular card from the reserved list doesn't indicate that there are any plans to reprint that card."
Again, this seems quite obvious and sane.
Any insights welcome.
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For some people it would be a good thing, but in reality slivers aren't THAT strong.
This is an excellent summary of the entire history of the much-lamented Reserved List. I recall the original Elder Dragon Legends dropping from $60-ish to $25 each practically overnight, leading the knee-jerk reaction that is the Reserved List.
As a collector, I understand the worry some may have if they decide to reprint P9 cards, but truthfully, they seem to (mostly) reprint responsibly. A judge foil Black Lotus will not cause a Beta to drop in value due to the fact that so few will be added to the marketplace. On the other hand, the Commander Sol Ring reprint was a bit irresponsible in my opinion.
My point is, limited reprints really should be acceptable and it's a shame the loophole was closed. As it stands, players sit and hope for new cards that may, in some way, resemble Reserved cards.
My hope: Legendary versions of ABUR dual lands. A guy can dream, eh?
The infamous Chronicles incident. That might have been a tad insensitive but in a long run I cannot see the originals losing value, especially those in good condition. You see, Legends were too close to Chronicles. Today, it's a completely different story.
The supply of (near)mint originals can only go down whereas the number of collectors seeking originals after a reprint can only go up the way I see it.
The most interesting aspect of this affair for me is the protectionist angle.
Magic cards are completely non-essential product, it's not drinking water or anything. If there's demand for additional cards to play with, it has nothing to do with out-of-print originals in someone's collection.
What RL does in essence is protecting the rich so they can be even richer just by sitting on their cards. But even then, the collectors' concerns argument has been shown to be mostly invalid anyway.
As a collector myself, I care to have my collection intact but could care less if there's a short-term or even long-term drop in price of a particular card. For me, the point of a collection is not hoarding "wealth"...
I'd like to have a discussion with a collector who genuinely feels entitled to their paper cards going up in value indefinitely.
Thinking about it, I have my doubts about the people causing so much of an uproar behind the scenes that led to the shady deal discussed above. I think those are not even real collectors but regular businessmen who have the real financial incentive to demand protection from WotC and some of them might be even sensitive to short-term price drops.
How many of them is necessary for WotC to buckle, that's what I wanna know
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In what way was reprinting one of the most important cards in edh irresponsible?