[GTC] – Buy-a-Box Promo: Nightveil Specter

[iCwalzy]

Originally Posted by JundDragons

So a hypothetical card will never see print because it has one interaction with a spell almost no one is using/if they are, is going to be casted when drawn and almost never kept in an opening hand?

Our point is there shouldn't be the ability to make anything have Cipher.
I don't want to see Thunderous Wrath, Abrupt Decay, or any destroy land cards with Cipher. Or let's say, Increasing Devotion gets encoded on something. That would suck.

[iCwalzy]

I think someone should ask MaRo if they'd print a card like that.

[pandafarmer]

Originally Posted by iCwalzy

Our point is there shouldn't be the ability to make anything have Cipher.
I don't want to see Thunderous Wrath, Abrupt Decay, or any destroy land cards with Cipher. Or let's say, Increasing Devotion gets encoded on something. That would suck.

To be fair, there likely will be, but it will cost like 8CMC to get it to stick as it is. By that point, it deserves to be a finisher and would be. However it wouldn't be something that people would run more than 1-2 of in a deck.

[gmax666]

Originally Posted by JundDragons

So a hypothetical card will never see print because it has one interaction with a spell almost no one is using/if they are, is going to be casted when drawn and almost never kept in an opening hand? I love your amazing arguments here guys. And as for as repeatable discard and kill, black does those things and last time i checked dimir was half black. So we're probably getting a cipher card that does one of those things anyways jsyk.

We are just stating some hypothetical situations. But really if you had an awesome hand but had a Mastery in your hand you would mulligan that just because you had the mastery in your hand? No you wouldn't.

This is all in good fun buddy, because I will state right now that nothing will be able to grant the ability to give another card Cipher, why because there would be similar cards in the other guilds that grant other cards their keywords.

Here is my guess as to what the Nightveil Specter is going to be.

Nightveil Specter
2
Creature - Specter (duh lol)
Flying
Whenever Nightveil Specter deals combat damage to a player that player discards a card and you draw a card.
2/3


Not all specters have to be a 2/2, only 5 of the 8 Specters are 2/2 for 4. And the two Specters have been 2/3.

[mlwspace2005]

Originally Posted by gmax666

Hahaha I can't believe you call this hypothetical situation dumb. So I want to know how you plan on casting your Temporal Mastery that you had in your opening hand before this Specter hits? I'd hit the lottery first before someone would get a Temporal Mastery in their hand you sure have no idea how statistics work do you? I've seen countless games of people running Miracles were they have had Mastery in their opening hand. Don't say it couldn't happen because it does and happens more often than you might think.

Lastly I would like to add is that this made up card were making hypothetical situations out of will never exist. And the odds of it happening like the user who said it would cast the spell and give it Cipher are so slim that everyone would hit the lottery but you.

if you are keeping an opening hand with a temporal mastery in it you are probably doing it wrong anyways.

I see very little issue with chancing the 1 in a million cipher on a temporal mastery only because combo decks have been a thing for a while, if you are using the specter for the purpose OF hitting a temporal mastery the you are probably going to lose the game to begin with.

[tachiKC]

I was actually thinking that this would be one of the promos spoiled for the holidays. Guess I was wrong though. But now that we know the actual mechanic for Dimir, I don't really see it being on a creature. I'm guessing that this will have some sort of discard/exile ability on attack, hopefully more-so but who knows.

[gmax666]

Originally Posted by mlwspace2005

if you are keeping an opening hand with a temporal mastery in it you are probably doing it wrong anyways.

I see very little issue with chancing the 1 in a million cipher on a temporal mastery only because combo decks have been a thing for a while, if you are using the specter for the purpose OF hitting a temporal mastery the you are probably going to lose the game to begin with.

No that wasn't the point. Another user said if they had take extra turn spell in their hand it would be infinite. I just wanted to explain the possibility of it happening in standard.

Also I notice your signature states you wanted a infinite toke combo. It might be a lil clunky but a friend of mine did it back in original Ravnica standard. You could use Doubling Season and Parallel Lives now, with Sprout Swarm. You will need any 3 enchantments then bam infinite tokens.

[Denegaar]

Originally Posted by gmax666

We are just stating some hypothetical situations. But really if you had an awesome hand but had a Mastery in your hand you would mulligan that just because you had the mastery in your hand? No you wouldn't.

This is all in good fun buddy, because I will state right now that nothing will be able to grant the ability to give another card Cipher, why because there would be similar cards in the other guilds that grant other cards their keywords.

Here is my guess as to what the Nightveil Specter is going to be.

Nightveil Specter
2
Creature - Specter (duh lol)
Flying
Whenever Nightveil Specter deals combat damage to a player that player discards a card and you draw a card.
2/3


Not all specters have to be a 2/2, only 5 of the 8 Specters are 2/2 for 4. And the two Specters have been 2/3.

I like it, it's an improvement over one of my favourite Dimir cards: Dimir Cutpurse.

[Ratinyourwalls]

Looks like I was wrong about that specter. Sorry guys.

[jonnybgood23]

Originally Posted by Ratinyourwalls

Looks like I was wrong about that specter. Sorry guys.

No one blames you. Its abilities are hardly specter-like. Very strange.. and not what I was expecting to be sure.

[gmax666]

Originally Posted by jonnybgood23

No one blames you. Its abilities are hardly specter-like. Very strange.. and not what I was expecting to be sure.

No one would have been able to guess he did those things, he seems very good in the right deck. I kinda wanna make a 5 color deck to run shenanigans with him.

But on a serious note I did call the 2/3 part of him tho and everyone thought he was gonna be a 2/2.

[The Witch King of Angmar]

Originally Posted by jonnybgood23

No one blames you. Its abilities are hardly specter-like. Very strange.. and not what I was expecting to be sure.

Didn't feel like a specter to me either. Was thinking along the line of some discard ability.

[montoyafan33]

Nightveil Specter:

Out of the spoilers so far, this is one of the best, especially for slapping a cipher on to. Might get a few extra lands out of it. I remember Doorkeeper got some good reviews milling out threats.

[JiffyWartbustle]

Excellent buy-a-box promo, probably the best specter printed in quite a while now. Definitely playable and FINALLY not a flying 2/2 for 4. I won't be unahppy to get a couple of these.

[The Witch King of Angmar]

Will probably ends up as a pack value rare I suppose.