obzedat, ghost council

[Master Moja]

I was thinking this could be a finisher in both Standard and Modern in a Orzhov colored control deck. If your opponent is tapped out; there is literally nothing they can do. Splash blue in your deck for Esper, and you have counterspells to keep him alive on your turns. Cloudshift is actually really fun with this guy. Instant speed protection, and then the life gain/life loss effect on top of it.

I know Modern is a hard format for new decks to take rise in, but I've won with some pretty fun and strong decks that you never even hear about in Modern.

Another thing that immediately stands out to me is that he runs so well with Restoration Angel too!

[damagecase]

Originally Posted by Victor Sant

No. I'm not blindly hating neither hyping the card. I'm balancing both pros and cons, and stating my opinion. Not saying that it's the absolute truth.
I know the possibility that it might not see paly. The card have a reasonable cost/effect rate. It have good sinergy whit already existing cards (and might have with the new ones). I just giving credit were it is due.

His only argument is "a 5 CMC card can't see play in modern [inster a lot of hate here]", wich isn't even truth by itself. With the right build, it might see play, i'm not saying I WILL SEE PLAY. But i think that the possibility exist.

There's a HUGE difference in saying: "I don't like it, this card might not see play" and "This card is bad and will never see play". Unless it is a total crap, the later shouldn't be used before the card is actually played and fails.

Just look Lectrys post. He totallys disagree with me, but he is not assuming his opinion as fact, and is posting arguments (very valid by the way) to his point.
Not just a "i hate standard, this card is junk bla bla bla".

I didn't say they can't see play. I said they are far and few in between. In fact your pretty much completely misquoting me entirely. Saying it has likely no future in modern or legacy certainly doesn't mean it won't see play. Sealed, draft and Standard will see this guy plenty. Not to mention casual. You need to actually understand what I'm saying before you argue with what it actually is.

[Wraith223]

Alot of you are focusing on Modern and Standard play for Obzedat. Let's consider Commander cause this guy is fun for that format. As a commander; I need to seriously play test it, but as a 1 of, he is fun!

[Schondetta]

Originally Posted by Wraith223

Alot of you are focusing on Modern and Standard play for Obzedat. Let's consider Commander cause this guy is fun for that format. As a commander; I need to seriously play test it, but as a 1 of, he is fun!

much like the old one. i think it would be better in X edh if it was all opponents or something like that. at least for me most games i play are 3-4 people. idk . in 1 vs 1 he seems ok . i never really saw the appeal in the old ghost dad

[SiNcereX]

i'm going to say this card is absurd...but also, so is Geist of Saint Traft and he isnt played as widely as he should be. Amazing card none the less

[DemonSlayer]

My favorite card spoiled so far......

[hellgrammite]

Originally Posted by SiNcereX

i'm going to say this card is absurd...but also, so is Geist of Saint Traft and he isnt played as widely as he should be. Amazing card none the less

Geist sees quite alot of play. But even his cost can limit him in some decks. The cost of Obzedat is high WWBB is really hard to work with. He will be worth sub $40 a set in two months (going at +$60 currently).

I like this card. I think it is a good card. But the hype is just that. I almost think some of the people on here are ebay sellers just trying to encourage speculation (a few do note they are sellers).

Again I think this card will see some standard play, but he does not have a major impact on legacy, modern and minimal on standard. I think he will see slightly more play than Rakdos, Lord of riots though. Depends how many packs get cracked open to on market prices.

[DTG99]

Originally Posted by SiNcereX

i'm going to say this card is absurd...but also, so is Geist of Saint Traft and he isnt played as widely as he should be. Amazing card none the less

Good point, however you need to hold GosT's hand if you want him to be effective. This card is a bit better by his lonesome.

Originally Posted by hellgrammite

Again I think this card will see some standard play, but he does not have a major impact on legacy, modern and minimal on standard. I think he will see slightly more play than Rakdos, Lord of riots though.

That's not that hard seeing as how Rakods sees zero competitive play. What kind of comparison is that anyway? This card is clearly much better with him having relevant abilities and all.

[damagecase]

Originally Posted by hellgrammite

Geist sees quite alot of play. But even his cost can limit him in some decks. The cost of Obzedat is high WWBB is really hard to work with. He will be worth sub $40 a set in two months.

I like this card. I think it is a good card. But the hype is just that. I almost think some of the people on here are ebay sellers just trying to encourage speculation (a few do note they are sellers).

Again I think this card will see some standard play, but he does not have a major impact on legacy, modern and minimal on standard. I think he will see slightly more play than Rakdos, Lord of riots though.

The bolded part is fact.

[damagecase]

GoST success is more based on the format he's used in than itself being a good card. Plus he's 3 cc. I honestly don't think GOST is that good so if this is comparable there is little wonder why I dislike the hype. I could be wrong on GoST too but I'm not forking out $100 a play set for something that gets completely owned by any red board sweeper in Modern. I'm sure he'll maintain the slots he's found but even at 3cc he's usually not a 4 of in a deck.

[Schondetta]

Originally Posted by DTG99

Good point, however you need to hold GosT's hand if you want him to be effective. This card is a bit better by his lonesome.

i literally laughed out loud at that

delver held is hand pretty well. thank god that standard is over. looking forward to these beefy creatures for standard. more fun to play with and more flavor then titans too

[DarkBrew]

GOST is playable in like Legacy. This card has a prohibitive casting cost, and gives you no value if it dies. If its playable in modern its because of alot of value somehow out of the entering/exiting the battlefield ability i think. Its just worse then batterskull at the same cost(plus harder to play) and wurmcoil for slightly more.

[Victor Sant]

Originally Posted by DarkBrew

GOST is playable in like Legacy. This card has a prohibitive casting cost, and gives you no value if it dies. If its playable in modern its because of alot of value somehow out of the entering/exiting the battlefield ability i think. Its just worse then batterskull at the same cost(plus harder to play) and wurmcoil for slightly more.

Now, creatures don't must just have ETB triggers to be good, they must also have LTB triggers...

Battler Skull? A simple Ancient Grudge and it's gone. And if your Wurmcoil geth pathed, you also get 0 value from it.
From the ones you mentioned, none actually have imediate impact, and can be easly be responded to before having any effect.

[WoodWraith]

Originally Posted by DemonSlayer

My favorite card spoiled so far......

Preach!

[Schondetta]

still my favorite card spoiled lol