BW Tokens

[offtheropes5]

like the idea of the deck. random thought because i'm working on a token based deck that runs endless whispers yes i include field wipes but the simple thing here is since you only really run a stoneforge, most if not all your opponents creatures come to your side when they die while your's never do since they're mainly tokens. just a thought. figured i'd post it here until i can work out a viable deck idea.

[TrevaFTW]

Here is the deck I'm thinking of running:

Deck
Creatures - 4 4x doomed traveler Enchantments - 10 4x Intangible virtue 4x bitterblossom 2x Humility Sorcery - 10 4x lingering souls 4x cabal therapy 2x vindicate Instant - 14 4x enlightened tutor 4x zealous persecution 4x Midnight Haunting 2x dark blast	Lands - 22 4x scrubland 4x marsh flats 4x Isolated chapel 8 plains 2 swamps

[TrevaFTW]

Changed the deck a little bit. Still trying to find that sweet spot of the right amount of disruption and removal.

Deck
Artifacts - 1 1x Batterskull Enchantments - 9 4x Intangible virtue 4x bitterblossom 1x Humility Sorcery - 10 4x lingering souls 3x cabal therapy 3x inquisition of kozilek Instant - 15 4x enlightened tutor 3x zealous persecution 4x Midnight Haunting 4x raise the alarm	Lands - 22 4x scrubland 4x marsh flats 4x arid mesa 4x Isolated chapel 4x plains 2x swamps

Also not sure if I want 4x midnight haunting, or if I want a 2/2 split of that and spectral procession

[shaunnerboy]

Originally Posted by TrevaFTW

Changed the deck a little bit. Still trying to find that sweet spot of the right amount of disruption and removal.


Also not sure if I want 4x midnight haunting, or if I want a 2/2 split of that and spectral procession

Your deck list contains only 57 cards... I've been toying around with this deck a bit and it's been frustrating to be defeated by my own casual R/G aggro deck using a similar build to your list. The problem I have with enlightened tutor is that it's a card disadvantage, sure you can get a single humility but that alone doesn't seem strong enough board strategy and is trying to compensate for the weaker points of this deck, i.e. having all 1/1 creatures on the board. Conversely, if your using the tutor package to retrieve bitterblossom or intangible virtue you are at an equal card disadvantage as previous example; when running 4x any card you shouldn't be tutoring for said card because the probability of drawing into it is that much greater. I do like stoneforge mystic in this build, creature and tutor in one: and ability to cheat in a batterskull and if you add umezawa's jitte to the package you'd have repeatable equipment with counters to abuse with all the disposable 1/1 tokens.

[TrevaFTW]

Don't forget enlightened tutor also fetches artifacts, I.e. equipment

[Raggedjoe]

Your definitely doing it wrong. Batterskull with no SFM in an aggro deck is wrong. Tokens without Jitte is also wrong. You need bodies to make that card great... And bodies are the one thing this deck doesn't lack.

You talk about balance between removal and discard and then run no removal.

Why run Chapel? There's no reason. Run Wasteland or
Factories.

[TrevaFTW]

Originally Posted by Raggedjoe

Your definitely doing it wrong. Batterskull with no SFM in an aggro deck is wrong. Tokens without Jitte is also wrong. You need bodies to make that card great... And bodies are the one thing this deck doesn't lack.

You talk about balance between removal and discard and then run no removal.

Why run Chapel? There's no reason. Run Wasteland or
Factories.

I never thought of jitte tbqh. Do you think 1 would be good enough to tutor up with E. Tutor? Or should i have two? The reason I had batterskull without SFM is because I figured it would be a late game beater if I needed it/didn't need it turn 3. I also worry if I add SFM to this that it slowly turns into stoneblade.

Ah that's what I forgot! I have 3 ghastly demise. I also currently have 2 StP in the sideboard (though I'm not sure if maybe PtE would be better for this deck)

The chapel is there to give me more mana fixing.

[Raggedjoe]

But you never need more than one of each color. Mishra's factory and Wasteland are definitely better. 18 effective mana sources is enough.

Jitte is just insane with tokens. Make two tokens, put the Jitte on one. Swing with it. The token dies and you get two counters. Equip the Jitte to another token. Now that token can be pumped to a 5/5 and you get another two counters to use next turn.

Don't play a subpar card because you don't want to be similar to another deck. Maybe play two Jitte? But even then you won't be drawing it as much as you'd like, because when you do draw it it'll be amazing. Especially if you had fliers.

[TrevaFTW]

Well I have no Jitte nor wasteland but if I get them I will try them. Going to play this deck tonight and i'll right a tournament report

[TrevaFTW]

I played blue zoo twice tonight and nic fit. I went 1-2. Forked bolt is brutal. I feel like I need more disrution/removal. Will type more later.

[TrevaFTW]

I'm going to play this at SCG: STL. Here's my list:

Deck
Art/Ench - 11 4 Bitterblossom 4 Intangible Virtue 2 Honor of the Pure 1 Umezawa's Jitte Spells - 27 4 Raise the Alarm 4 Lingering Souls 2 Midnight Haunting 2 Spectral Procession 2 Entreat The Angels 4 Inquisition of Kozilek 2 Cabal Therapy 3 Swords to Plowshares 2 Vindicate 2 Enlightened Tutor	Lands - 22 4 Scrubland 4 Marsh Flats 2 Windswept Heath 2 Isolated Chapel 4 Wasteland 1 Vault of the Archangel 3 Plains 2 Swamp	Sideboard - 15 3 Hymn to Tourach 3 Leyline of Sanctity 3 Sundering Growth 1 Enlightened Tutor 1 Rest in Peace 1 Grafdigger's Cage 1 Oblivion Ring 1 Phyrexian Revoker 1 Humility

I'm thinking about taking out maybe 2 IoK for 2 Duress, and also input in general on my discard/removal.

[offtheropes5]

^^ no planeswalkers?
many create tokens each turn.in addition to blossom.

[TrevaFTW]

Originally Posted by offtheropes5

^^ no planeswalkers?
many create tokens each turn.in addition to blossom.

What would be the best to take out for Elspeth or Sorin? I like them but trying to fit them is tricky.

[offtheropes5]

I would say spectral procession. Elspeth is good. Either one really. Both versions of her are token friendly but the emblem errant gives is nice. And sorin is good because of his ultimate. Granted all abilities are good but certain decks will not benefit from his ultimate.