[GTC] - Foundry Champion - Page 9

Master Moja · 01-01-2013, 07:17 PM

It's not a terrible card. Constructed, maybe. Just maybe. Barely. I say maybe because it seems battalion and a majority of the cards for Boros this far seem to rely on having a lot of creatures. That being said, I do believe that we might get a few good token producers. In the end, Aurelia kills this guy every time and will leave him useless.

Dane · 01-01-2013, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by luminum can

You can tell what the set's impact will be on constructed formats with having never seen 209 cards from it?

I think (at least, I hope) he was just being ironic. If he was, I completely get the feeling. There hasn't been a single card (aside from the shocklands) previewed that I can remember that hasn't had several people trashing on it, and saying that it's horrible for constructed. This is even including Ghost Dad 2.0, which I feel has the strongest playerbase support out of the current spoilers.

Honestly, I get the feeling that the hipster-vibe has taken over MtG fandom. NOTHING is ever as good as what's already out.

Personally, I'm reserving my opinions until I've had a chance to play with the cards. People do amazing things with "jank" once they have a chance to fool around a bit.

Yamikiri · 01-01-2013, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by KageHamusuta

Wow...

Ok, this card is really NOT that impressive, but what set has only impressive cards in it? I can only imagine if they previewed cards back in a classic set, like Urza's or something. You guys would all cry about how white was about to suck because they previewed Radiant, Archangel, or Elite Archers.

Not every card is going to be good. Not every RARE card is going to be good...hell, not every MYTHIC RARE card is going to be good.

Plus I think peeps are being a bit harsh. The comparison with Aurelia is incredibly biased, as she is a 6 drop that does absolutely nothing the turn she hits play, and this guy burns somewhere. This guy could be the top end of a midrange, while Aurelia is plenty powerful(although how many enchantments supposedly suck because they don't do anything immediately??) this card has a different purpose and look. It's also not legendary, not mythic, and not trying to be Aurelia...

I get so tired of constant negativity.

Those cards were awesome when they were released.

Master Moja · 01-01-2013, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Dane

I think (at least, I hope) he was just being ironic. If he was, I completely get the feeling. There hasn't been a single card (aside from the shocklands) previewed that I can remember that hasn't had several people trashing on it, and saying that it's horrible for constructed. This is even including Ghost Dad 2.0, which I feel has the strongest playerbase support out of the current spoilers.

Honestly, I get the feeling that the hipster-vibe has taken over MtG fandom. NOTHING is ever as good as what's already out.

Personally, I'm reserving my opinions until I've had a chance to play with the cards. People do amazing things with "jank" once they have a chance to fool around a bit.

You make a very good point, and I agree completely. Nothing will ever be good enough. Everyone throws up the Resto-Snap-Tusk combinations and assume nothing will ever stop that, but in the end, things always change. Standard will fall apart and rebuild itself. I think a lot of the new cards will see play. Aurelia and Obzedat seem like really good finishers.

The Witch King of Angmar · 01-01-2013, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Christiancasals

I feel like gatecrash will be useless outside of limited

It does looks true based on what we have thus far.

Ember_Twilight · 01-01-2013, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Christiancasals

I feel like gatecrash will be useless outside of limited

That's just crazy talk. We haven't seen the charms or other four keyrunes yet, not to mention the hybrid one drop cycle. Be patient.

The Witch King of Angmar · 01-01-2013, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Ember_Twilight

That's just crazy talk. We haven't seen the charms or other four keyrunes yet, not to mention the hybrid one drop cycle. Be patient.

The Dimir keyrune looks good so far, I can already imagine having Runechanter Pike on it as a finisher.

Illinest · 01-01-2013, 08:08 PM

This isn't a 'hipster vibe'.
We're talking about a weak six drop in a color combination that doesn't ramp up to six. Why would anyone play this card when there are objectively better cards already in standard? It's a 4/4 for 6 mana that only has a decent ETB ability if you're playing a creature heavy deck - and if you're playing a creature heavy deck then there are much more powerful things you could be doing with Silverblade and Sublime Archangel, or Hellrider. If you want to stretch the curve up to five then you've got Thundermaw Hellkite.

This card is bad. Firemane is okay but I think Sublime is better. Aurelia is okay but I think you'd still be better off with Thundermaw.
And now you've got three big creatures spoiled in red/white. How many do you think there are going to be? I'm thinking not too many more. That makes me think that red/white isn't going to get a good curve-topping creature. Maybe there'll be a mono-white or a mono-red. There will probably be some good 2,3 and 4 drops. Maybe some good spells too, but I am getting very skeptical about seeing anything like what I was hoping to see.

This is even crappier than Gisela. Would be a nice creature if it weren't off the curve. At five it would be decent. Six is ridiculous.

Just realized it's not even a human.

The Witch King of Angmar · 01-01-2013, 08:15 PM

It would be slightly better and more suitable as a Gruul creature. In Boros color it is just not good at all.

Dane · 01-01-2013, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Illinest

This isn't a 'hipster vibe'.

That's exactly what it is. Everyone's rushing to be the first to declare it awful, and unplayable, so that if and when it turns out to be exactly that (and who knows...it MAY just end up being worse then Wood Elemental) they can claim to have "known it was bad since it was previewed."

So what?!? Does trashing on an unreleased card benefit anyone in any way?

Honestly, I just think it's foolish and premature to rage about anything in this set yet. I'd say the SOONEST it makes sense to start complaining is once we've got all 249 spoilers. Honestly, we don't know what's in the rest of this set. We don't know what's in Dragon's Maze...we don't know what's in the Friend's block. This could end up being an amazing sleeper hit once an enabler hits.

Or it could be utter crap outside of Limited. But, is it really so critical that we decide RIGHT NOW which cards are awful and anyone daring to play them should have their head examined?

reddeckalwayswins · 01-01-2013, 08:31 PM

It probably wouldn't see much Constructed play even if it was costed at

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Compare with Skinrender.

It's funny how far they push some fatties and how weak they make others.

The Witch King of Angmar · 01-01-2013, 08:33 PM

But this doesn't deny the fact the card is simply not good enough. It's been trashed because its crap in the first place.

KolbaneX · 01-01-2013, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by The Witch King of Angmar

But this doesn't deny the fact the card is simply not good enough. It's been trashed because its crap in the first place.

If it was "crap" you wouldn't be playing it in limited either.

Blue_Oneironaut · 01-01-2013, 09:01 PM

The card isn't crap in a limited environment, because that's what it was clearly designed for.

If you're upset it's not a powerhouse in W/R, I think you should probably chill, because there's plenty more set to be revealed, and the cards intended for constructed play will be revealed eventually.

Remember RTR promos? G/W had like a land that makes a generic 8/8, G/B had a silly 4/4, U/W a super overcosted flyer ... all pretty terrible for constructed but still really fun for limited.

Those guilds each also got pretty baller stuff like Armada Wurm, Deathrite Shaman and Supreme Verdict. All of these are obviously powerful, despite their varying presence throughout standard. Regardless of how it fits into the metagame, you can expect even Boros will get something fun.

At any rate, I think this is a great limited card, in fact since I've seen it I've been considering picking boros at a prerelease sealed.

V Mancini · 01-01-2013, 09:01 PM

It's a card that is overcosted, underpowered, and requires other cards in order to do anything. If you have no creatures out, and the only creature you can put on the battlefield is Foundry Champion, guess what you just did? Gut Shot someone at sorcery speed for 6 mana. Congratulations.

At least I'll get another bad rare for my Reject Rare draft box.

01-01-2013, 08:08 PM	#128
Illinest Archmage Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 952	This isn't a 'hipster vibe'. We're talking about a weak six drop in a color combination that doesn't ramp up to six. Why would anyone play this card when there are objectively better cards already in standard? It's a 4/4 for 6 mana that only has a decent ETB ability if you're playing a creature heavy deck - and if you're playing a creature heavy deck then there are much more powerful things you could be doing with Silverblade and Sublime Archangel, or Hellrider. If you want to stretch the curve up to five then you've got Thundermaw Hellkite. This card is bad. Firemane is okay but I think Sublime is better. Aurelia is okay but I think you'd still be better off with Thundermaw. And now you've got three big creatures spoiled in red/white. How many do you think there are going to be? I'm thinking not too many more. That makes me think that red/white isn't going to get a good curve-topping creature. Maybe there'll be a mono-white or a mono-red. There will probably be some good 2,3 and 4 drops. Maybe some good spells too, but I am getting very skeptical about seeing anything like what I was hoping to see. This is even crappier than Gisela. Would be a nice creature if it weren't off the curve. At five it would be decent. Six is ridiculous. Just realized it's not even a human. Last edited by Illinest; 01-01-2013 at 08:18 PM.
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01-01-2013, 08:31 PM	#131
reddeckalwayswins Ascended Mage Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: London Posts: 471	It probably wouldn't see much Constructed play even if it was costed at . Compare with Skinrender. It's funny how far they push some fatties and how weak they make others.
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01-01-2013, 09:01 PM	#134
Blue_Oneironaut Wizard Mentor Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 520	The card isn't crap in a limited environment, because that's what it was clearly designed for. If you're upset it's not a powerhouse in W/R, I think you should probably chill, because there's plenty more set to be revealed, and the cards intended for constructed play will be revealed eventually. Remember RTR promos? G/W had like a land that makes a generic 8/8, G/B had a silly 4/4, U/W a super overcosted flyer ... all pretty terrible for constructed but still really fun for limited. Those guilds each also got pretty baller stuff like Armada Wurm, Deathrite Shaman and Supreme Verdict. All of these are obviously powerful, despite their varying presence throughout standard. Regardless of how it fits into the metagame, you can expect even Boros will get something fun. At any rate, I think this is a great limited card, in fact since I've seen it I've been considering picking boros at a prerelease sealed.
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01-01-2013, 09:01 PM	#135
V Mancini Experienced Mage Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: teh falklands Posts: 53	It's a card that is overcosted, underpowered, and requires other cards in order to do anything. If you have no creatures out, and the only creature you can put on the battlefield is Foundry Champion, guess what you just did? Gut Shot someone at sorcery speed for 6 mana. Congratulations. At least I'll get another bad rare for my Reject Rare draft box.
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