obzedat, ghost council

[Evenoire]

Originally Posted by WoodWraith

Actually I also run a Rakdos deck that makes use of a few slips. And yeah, Delver has died down..but is it gone? Dimir is coming up, and it looks pretty turn 2 flier friendly.

How so? Unless they reprint Ponder or Brainstorm, Delver won't see the competitive play it used to. Without library manipulation Delver just isnt that good.

[BMillz1341]

Originally Posted by Evenoire

How so? Unless they reprint Ponder or Brainstorm, Delver won't see the competitive play it used to. Without library manipulation Delver just isnt that good.

Index.








Haha, just kidding. I don't think Delver is that far off from being viable again though. Two more spells would probably get it there.

[Sirdanile]

A cantrip cipher for under 3 mana WILL make delver viable again, though not as consistent as it was with ponder.

[Crimson]

I remember when we tried to build BUG delver a couple weeks ago using Index. It was terribad

[DarkBrew]

Originally Posted by Sirdanile

A cantrip cipher for under 3 mana WILL make delver viable again, though not as consistent as it was with ponder.

No it won't. The problem isn't just lack of ponder or leak. Its abrupt decay and supreme verdict would instantly push delver back into t2 or worse status if it was popular again.

[Lauphiette Kincey]

Originally Posted by WoodWraith

Efficient? There is one constant in magic: things die. I personally chump with Slitherhead then nuke a fatty at instant speed for one mana. For something Id have to do ANYWAY to live!

So lets add that up...I block, which I have to anyway, then nuke any threat on the board under a 14/14 for one swamp on my opponents turn. I'm sorry, but I fail to see how Im missing out.

You're playing Slitherhead. That's how you're missing out. I think you should be disqualified from having an opinion regarding competitive deck design.

OGC has an ETB effect that's relevant versus all archetypes, is fairly mana efficient (5/5 for 5 is not bad) and dodges all sorcery speed removal. I don't want to think about Facing a Junk midrange deck playing Lotleth troll, Dreg Mangler and OGC, while I'm stuck with Supreme verdicts and Azorius charms.

[Yorutenchi]

Originally Posted by Lauphiette Kincey

You're playing Slitherhead. That's how you're missing out. I think you should be disqualified from having an opinion regarding competitive deck design.

Off topic but it is played competitivly (not slitherhead but tragic slip). In fact all control decks that have access to black use it as at least a 1-2 of that I"ve seen in standard. Its a solid removal spell. Thinking a good card is an amazing card doesn't quite merit someone from not having an opinion.



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On topic

Obzedat seems like a quality finnisher in standard. I don't see it making much of a splash outside as all other formats (excluding limiited) have great instant speed removal in near every deck.

[Lauphiette Kincey]

I was speaking of Slitherhead. That's unplayable trash. Also the only deck I've seen performing anywhere that used tragic slip is B/G agro but I do concede that it's not a bad card.

[VanGogh]

why are we discussing about slitherhead + tragic slip to handle a random fatty here anyway?