When someone said "at the end of your turn", is it actually just before the end turn or just after the end turn?
The question comes from this experience I have:
I have a myr enforcer in play, while my opponent have 2 untapped vulshok sorcerer. And then he does the following:
-. At the end of you turn, tap 2 sorcerer to deal 2 damage to enforcer
-. Untap, at the beginning of my upkeep, I tap both again to deal another 2 damage, sending it to graveyard.
He stated that response end turn is in between my end turn and before his untap step, thus the damage does not go to the cleanup phase. Is he correct? And if he deals damage after his draw phase or at his main / combat phase, will he still able to kill my 4/4?
Thanks in advance
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Incidentally, I remember this "between turns" thing causing lots of impossible combo antics in the past involving Wall of Blossoms.
Whenever a spell or ability resolves at end of turn, each player gets priority again, then if nothing happens, it goes to cleanup step of the EOT phase, where no spells/abilities may be played, and damage is removed, then the next turn begins.
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The gist of the whole thing was that the game needed a "between turns" step to appropriately handle how Time Vault was worded at the time. This made the "limit once per turn" on Wall of Roots not apply... since it wasn't anyone's turn.
So it was effectively possible to get infinite mana from a single Wall of Roots during this between-turns step.
The deck then used Sands of Time to skip the untap phase so it would avoid taking mana burn (at the time, untap was a phase of its own, so this card was necessary), then go into the upkeep and funnel the infinite mana into a Magma Mine to finish off the opponent.
This deck worked for one weekend before WotC did various things to ensure quashing the abomination, including rewording Time Vault... again.
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The question comes from this experience I have:
I have a myr enforcer in play, while my opponent have 2 untapped vulshok sorcerer. And then he does the following:
-. At the end of you turn, tap 2 sorcerer to deal 2 damage to enforcer
-. Untap, at the beginning of my upkeep, I tap both again to deal another 2 damage, sending it to graveyard.
He stated that response end turn is in between my end turn and before his untap step, thus the damage does not go to the cleanup phase. Is he correct? And if he deals damage after his draw phase or at his main / combat phase, will he still able to kill my 4/4?
Thanks in advance
Whenever a spell or ability resolves at end of turn, each player gets priority again, then if nothing happens, it goes to cleanup step of the EOT phase, where no spells/abilities may be played, and damage is removed, then the next turn begins.
Which color are you?
Non-Judge - Comprehensive Rules Delver
|| Autocard || My Latest Project ||
Random quote of the last time I updated my sig:
"...FOMG THE SCROLL LOCK KEY DOES SOMETHING "
The gist of the whole thing was that the game needed a "between turns" step to appropriately handle how Time Vault was worded at the time. This made the "limit once per turn" on Wall of Roots not apply... since it wasn't anyone's turn.
So it was effectively possible to get infinite mana from a single Wall of Roots during this between-turns step.
The deck then used Sands of Time to skip the untap phase so it would avoid taking mana burn (at the time, untap was a phase of its own, so this card was necessary), then go into the upkeep and funnel the infinite mana into a Magma Mine to finish off the opponent.
This deck worked for one weekend before WotC did various things to ensure quashing the abomination, including rewording Time Vault... again.