Johnny Claus is Coming to Shadowmoor!

Teflon_Jeff · 05-08-2008, 11:05 PM

This thread is for the discussion of my latest article, Johnny Claus is Coming to Shadowmoor!. We would be grateful if you would let us know what you think, but please keep your comments on topic.

Sorrow's shoadow · 05-09-2008, 08:03 AM

As far as Ican see Enchanted Evening should be in combination with Patrician's Scorn, that's Jokulhaups in white (white/blue). In this combo, Greater Auramancy might help, but is simply a win more option. It will be sufficient to play another white creauture this turn to win. Note, you do not need to have a lot of mana to play this, since Patrician's Scorn is for free. I expect to see some type II decks using this combo the next few weeks (and maybe even longer ...)

lord lenox · 05-09-2008, 09:41 AM

This article was alright, but it seemed a bit redundant. Anyone who knows anything about magic can spot these combos from one pre-prerelease spoiler read-through.

Enchanted Evening + Greater Auramancy? Not so much a combo, more an obvious interactions between two cards. Why not write about Treefolk Harbinger and Murmuring Bosk? Or Briarberry Cohort and any other blue creature? Or Gathan Raider's first ability and Gathan Raider's second ability? Just in case there is still 1% of magic players who don't know about to play magic.

Moving on...

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In this combo, Greater Auramancy might help, but is simply a win more option.

I fail to see how this helps this combo, as shroud won't stop your stuff from dying. If anything it just destroys more of your cards. It WILL give your cards shroud until you decide to go off, if thats what you meant, but if you are going to blow them all up anyway do they really need shroud?

Farseer · 05-09-2008, 10:48 AM

Surely, if you are looking for a devestating combo, it should be Enchanted Evening + Fracturing Gust for easily 20+ life. Even better, Spring Cleaning (winning the clash) becomes "destroy target player".

bateleur · 05-09-2008, 12:17 PM

I nominate Primeval Light.

Or in Multiplayer you could use Cleansing Meditation. (Although be careful to make sure getting your Enchantments back actually helps - lands in the graveyard are not going to come back!)

burek · 05-09-2008, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by bateleur

Or in Multiplayer you could use Cleansing Meditation. (Although be careful to make sure getting your Enchantments back actually helps - lands in the graveyard are not going to come back!)

... then return to play all cards in your graveyard destroyed this way.

Sounds to me like they should

Daljo628 · 05-09-2008, 01:01 PM

Or, for a simpler Type2 one ... 1) have an Akroma, or other fattie out. 2) Have Enchanted Evening out. 3) Turn into Mist said fattie until EOT. 4) Scorn for free, and have said beatstick return at EOT, as the sole permanent in play.

Teflon_Jeff · 05-09-2008, 01:23 PM

The intent for this article was to show a few combos, and then get people making them better. The reason I used Auaramancy and Evening together is, they're both from Shadowmoor, so it's a nice intra-block synergy (I'll concede, it's not quite a combo)

I am psyched to see all the combos you guys are coming up with, too. I hadn't even thought about some of those. Keep 'em coming!

ovid · 05-09-2008, 03:00 PM

I think the ideas you put out were really insightful. If you're playing exclusively online like me, this will definitely help in limited play (where we don't get access to shadowmoor til 4 weeks after release... ugh).

Also...greater auramancy is going to help my extended enchantment deck.. that's a gem i totally didn't see.

Sorrow's shoadow · 05-09-2008, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Daljo628

Or, for a simpler Type2 one ... 1) have an Akroma, or other fattie out. 2) Have Enchanted Evening out. 3) Turn into Mist said fattie until EOT. 4) Scorn for free, and have said beatstick return at EOT, as the sole permanent in play.

Well, for a tournament-deck, you do not need the fatty out. The important thing is to get the combo together, i.e., you need both the Enchanted Evening and the Patrician's Scorn. Well, there are several options in Type II at the moment. Let's see, which variant turns out to be strongest (or have the best reliabiliy). And since Enchanted Evening works well with several other cards (as mentioned before), you have the choice what to play. As far as we test it, the deck can be played both white/blue and white/black. But I won't tell you more until the next tournament ...

Roger Watersmelon · 05-09-2008, 03:44 PM

Articles intended for the creative combo player are difficult to write to begin with. Talking strategy is one thing, but promoting creativity is something entirely different. Reviews focusing on which specific combos were talked about in the article seem to be missing the larger picture. It doesn't matter if Card A is better with card C (rather than with B), the important thing is that Card A interacts with other cards in unique or exciting ways.

Assuming that the intention was to raise awareness of various "Johnny cards" and to show that Shadowmoor contains some very interesting combo oriented cards, the article was well written. There was enough content present to get someone's creative interest up, without showing them so much that they lose that interest by the end of the article.

Keep this in mind too everyone, which would be a more satisfying scenario for a creative deck builder?
1) Being told that Puresight Merrow and Utopia Vow can set up all of their remaining draws as long as it stays alive.
2) Reading about a combo using Leech Bonder, thinking about it, and coming up with the Puresight combo on their own.

Zarin · 05-09-2008, 05:06 PM

About Morselhoarder/Sinking Feeling: if you have 1 mana available, you can jumpstart the unlimited "untapping" chain reaction - the ability granted by Sinking Feeling does not require the creature to be tapped! So it's one of the other three cards - Flourishing Defenses, Presence of Gond or Power of Fire - that you need in addition to these two cards to do something useful. Too bad Morselhoarder is not a Merfolk

. For Standard, add Ceaseless Searblades for lots of damage! (Don't forget - removing -1/-1 counter for mana is an activated ability as well!) So, even though it is not technically 2-card combo, you can add a lot of redundancy by using several possible additions. Oh, and Utopia Vow on the same Morselhoarder can give you an arbitrary amount of mana for a finishing X spell...

As for Enchanted Evening/Patrician's Scorn: the latter is an Instant! Once Enchanted Evening is on the table, you can play a white creature and, without passing the priority, play Scorn for free! End result - your lone creature and a totally empty board otherwise! And if you play with regenerators, Patrician's Scorn does not stop that.

Teflon_Jeff · 05-09-2008, 05:17 PM

Good ideas, Zarin, thanks!

Also, if you use the G/W hybrid enchantment, it will die, but the creature it's enchanting will live, assuming it makes it indestructible.

Shinriko · 05-09-2008, 05:54 PM

Why not go Morselhoarder/Sinking Feeling with Elemental Mastery? That combo gives you the win this turn with 6 1/1 hasty elementals a cycle.

mutantman · 05-09-2008, 11:44 PM

Isn't Enchanted Evening + Greater Auramancy just a two-card version of Privileged Position?

05-08-2008, 11:05 PM	#1
Teflon_Jeff Ascended Mage MTGS Writer Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Idaho Posts: 262	Johnny Claus is Coming to Shadowmoor! This thread is for the discussion of my latest article, Johnny Claus is Coming to Shadowmoor!. We would be grateful if you would let us know what you think, but please keep your comments on topic.

05-09-2008, 10:48 AM	#4
Farseer Experienced Mage Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Éire Posts: 59	Surely, if you are looking for a devestating combo, it should be Enchanted Evening + Fracturing Gust for easily 20+ life. Even better, Spring Cleaning (winning the clash) becomes "destroy target player". __________________ Question: What zone are players in? Last edited by Farseer : 05-09-2008 at 10:53 AM.

05-09-2008, 12:17 PM	#5
bateleur Random Scrub MTGS Writer Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: London Posts: 7,745	I nominate Primeval Light. Or in Multiplayer you could use Cleansing Meditation. (Although be careful to make sure getting your Enchantments back actually helps - lands in the graveyard are not going to come back!) __________________ -- Forum Awards: Best Writer 2005, Best Limited Strategist 2005-2008 5CB PotM - June 2005, November 2005, February 2006, April 2008, May 2008, Feb 2009 MTGSalvation Articles: 1-19 Also - Guest appearance on MTGCast #86!

05-09-2008, 01:23 PM	#8
Teflon_Jeff Ascended Mage MTGS Writer Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Idaho Posts: 262	The intent for this article was to show a few combos, and then get people making them better. The reason I used Auaramancy and Evening together is, they're both from Shadowmoor, so it's a nice intra-block synergy (I'll concede, it's not quite a combo) I am psyched to see all the combos you guys are coming up with, too. I hadn't even thought about some of those. Keep 'em coming! __________________ My articles You should read them. *"Rejoice, for bad things are about to happen"* Last edited by Teflon_Jeff : 05-09-2008 at 03:17 PM.

05-09-2008, 03:00 PM	#9
ovid Experienced Mage Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 84	Insightful I think the ideas you put out were really insightful. If you're playing exclusively online like me, this will definitely help in limited play (where we don't get access to shadowmoor til 4 weeks after release... ugh). Also...greater auramancy is going to help my extended enchantment deck.. that's a gem i totally didn't see.


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05-09-2008, 08:03 AM	#2
Sorrow's shoadow Common Mage Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 42	As far as Ican see Enchanted Evening should be in combination with Patrician's Scorn, that's Jokulhaups in white (white/blue). In this combo, Greater Auramancy might help, but is simply a win more option. It will be sufficient to play another white creauture this turn to win. Note, you do not need to have a lot of mana to play this, since Patrician's Scorn is for free. I expect to see some type II decks using this combo the next few weeks (and maybe even longer ...)

05-09-2008, 03:44 PM	#11
Roger Watersmelon Zendikar suffers from Marketing Creep Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Plainswalking Posts: 1,118	Articles intended for the creative combo player are difficult to write to begin with. Talking strategy is one thing, but promoting creativity is something entirely different. Reviews focusing on which specific combos were talked about in the article seem to be missing the larger picture. It doesn't matter if Card A is better with card C (rather than with B), the important thing is that Card A interacts with other cards in unique or exciting ways. Assuming that the intention was to raise awareness of various "Johnny cards" and to show that Shadowmoor contains some very interesting combo oriented cards, the article was well written. There was enough content present to get someone's creative interest up, without showing them so much that they lose that interest by the end of the article. Keep this in mind too everyone, which would be a more satisfying scenario for a creative deck builder? 1) Being told that Puresight Merrow and Utopia Vow can set up all of their remaining draws as long as it stays alive. 2) Reading about a combo using Leech Bonder, thinking about it, and coming up with the Puresight combo on their own. __________________ : Put a two disc Wall into play. Last edited by Roger Watersmelon : 05-09-2008 at 03:49 PM. Reason: Grammar is important

05-09-2008, 05:06 PM	#12
Zarin Common Mage Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 31	About Morselhoarder/Sinking Feeling: if you have 1 mana available, you can jumpstart the unlimited "untapping" chain reaction - the ability granted by Sinking Feeling does not require the creature to be tapped! So it's one of the other three cards - Flourishing Defenses, Presence of Gond or Power of Fire - that you need in addition to these two cards to do something useful. Too bad Morselhoarder is not a Merfolk . For Standard, add Ceaseless Searblades for lots of damage! (Don't forget - removing -1/-1 counter for mana is an activated ability as well!) So, even though it is not technically 2-card combo, you can add a lot of redundancy by using several possible additions. Oh, and Utopia Vow on the same Morselhoarder can give you an arbitrary amount of mana for a finishing X spell... As for Enchanted Evening/Patrician's Scorn: the latter is an Instant! Once Enchanted Evening is on the table, you can play a white creature and, without passing the priority, play Scorn for free! End result - your lone creature and a totally empty board otherwise! And if you play with regenerators, Patrician's Scorn does not stop that.

05-09-2008, 05:17 PM	#13
Teflon_Jeff Ascended Mage MTGS Writer Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Idaho Posts: 262	Good ideas, Zarin, thanks! Also, if you use the G/W hybrid enchantment, it will die, but the creature it's enchanting will live, assuming it makes it indestructible. __________________ My articles You should read them. *"Rejoice, for bad things are about to happen"*

05-09-2008, 05:54 PM	#14
Shinriko Ascended Mage Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 330	Why not go Morselhoarder/Sinking Feeling with Elemental Mastery? That combo gives you the win this turn with 6 1/1 hasty elementals a cycle.

05-09-2008, 11:44 PM	#15
mutantman Wizard Mentor Join Date: May 2006 Location: Sebastopol, CA Posts: 559	Isn't Enchanted Evening + Greater Auramancy just a two-card version of Privileged Position?

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