So far I have 51 cards here so I need a few suggestions to make this deck better. I would like to keep it extended legal if at all possible. I'm limited to trading so keep it to inexpensive things. Thanks for the help in advance!
First of all I have trouble with Cloudgoat Ranger vs. Belfry Spirit. Second of all I think Promise of Bunrei needs to be in this list. Ghost Council of Orzhova is a maybe depending on if I can grab any, if not then I'll put Nantuko Husk in as a beater. I agree on the upping the number of things but right now that list is just made up of stuff I actually have or is coming in trades. I will be taking out Dread Return and Slaughter Pact but for right now they're just in there for filler. Hour of Reckoning can be a good Haunt activator and might just deserve a place in this deck but I need it as a 3-of not a 2-of. Thanks for all the help so far! Keep it coming!
You know, with -4 Dromar's Cavern +4 Godless Shrine or -4 Dromar's Cavern +2 Plains +2 Swamp, this deck is not only Ravnica Block legal, but Guildpact set legal as well.
He's not trying to make Ravnica legal (i guess), also he's trying to get as budget as he can, so Godless Shrine is not exactly budget. Also, just playing basic lands will give him a hard time to acess the mana needed early on; mana fix is needed and Dromar is a budget and nice solution. Or he can just play with 4-of Signets
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Belfry Spirit has a better sinergy with Vampire, while Cloudgoat is just a token producer. Promise of Brunei also don't improve Vampire usage (it produces spirits not bats); and you need some back up, not just creatures, so cards like Mortification (Vindicate), Castigate (Thoughtseize), it wracks combos and destroy wrath effects. These are really needed support.
Ghost is far better than Husk since its almost unkillabe with tokens around. But, if you lack options or money, seems a nice option.
I don't like the Hour of Reckoning idea, you disrupt almost all good creatures you have just to keep some tokens around, any later Orzhov Pontiff / Pyroclasm drop by opponent will turn the table over you. With that kind of deck, you have better usage to your tokens than keeping'em alive.
If you want to improve token production, you might consider Spawning Pit, also another usage for tokens or going to be killed creatures.
Those are just some ideas though.
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This deck isn't all about Skeletal Vampire but you have convinced me to use Belfry Spirit. I will most likely use Ghost Council of Orzhova but I just need to get some. Hour of Reckoning is off the list because I just don't have enough token producers in this deck. And without HoR I don't need Windbrisk Heights. This is what my list has ended up looking like as of late:
Cloud Key has also been mentioned by a friend of mine as to speed up the rate of which I play stuff but I shall mess around on MWS and see if it works or not. Thanks for all the help! Loving it and needing more of it!
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@Asylum this deck does not need to be completely budget just around $100 and below like the rest of my casual decks. Oh and I hate how this deck is becoming so Orzhov-esque with most of it coming out of Guildpact and 5 of the cards having Orzhov in their friggin name.
Indeed, but most WB good cards comes from there. I liked the add of Cabal, well got.
Another add to deck might be Carrion Feeder, it gets permanent pump, comes faster and don't need mana. Might subs Rusalka and Husk.
Another thing you must have is removal, Mortify or Vindicate are needed (both are versatile: the former removes creatures and enchants; the latter any permanent). If you don't, decks with Bob, True Believer and such will give you headaches. as Story Circle.
Teysa should be 3-of, her control with tokens is amazing, she's a removal or token generator.
Pontiff don't need to be 4-of, 2-3 maybe, unless you face too many winnies that don't pump 'til 3rd turn.
Cloud Key is slow, go with Signets, they are faster and do a better fix, since it mess with more than generic mana and comes down at second turn. 3rd turn you already has many drops.
I know you love Brunei, and if you really want it, you should keep for fun, but it doesn't fit on this deck. You already has many token producers (Teysa, Belfry, Skeletal), and you're lacking something needed as removal.
Brunei is great on a W/B Spirits deck, that runs around Devouring Greed.
Oh, and if you're not in budget, fixing mana base is a priority. 4 Godless Shrine as Slivortal said.
Hope being helpful.
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I think that this deck will be put on hold until Eventide comes out. It really needs some more great B/W 1cc spells and such. Thanks for all your help. I won't forget the advice that you have given me.
3x Windbrisk Heights
4x Orzhov Basilica
5x Plains
8x Swamps
Creatures:
4x Plagued Rusalka
4x Orzhov Pontiff
2x Mirror Entity
2x Teysa, Orzhov Scion
4x Blind Hunter
2x Cloudgoat Ranger
3x Skeletal Vampire
3x Slaughter Pact
3x Promise of Bunrei
2x Dread Return
2x Hour of Reckoning
So far I have 51 cards here so I need a few suggestions to make this deck better. I would like to keep it extended legal if at all possible. I'm limited to trading so keep it to inexpensive things. Thanks for the help in advance!
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You could try running Twilight Drover or Belfry Spirit
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I second this idea.
Dread Return has nothing to do with your theme as far as I can see.
You have a bunch of 3-ofs and 2-ofs that seem like they should be 4-ofs, you may want to shore up the consistency a bit.
Go with something like this:
04 Orzhov Basilica
04 Dromar's Cavern
06 Plains
08 Swamp
//CREATURES (23)
04 Plagued Rusalka
03 Orzhov Pontiff
03 Teysa, Orzhov Scion
03 Ghost Council of Orzhova
04 Blind Hunter
03 Belfry Spirit
03 Skeletal Vampire
04 Mortify
04 Castigate
04 Cry of Contrition
03 Orzhov Signet
If you face too many aggro decks, you might choose to change Cry for Last Gasp.
Now if you get money, Vindicate, Thoughtseize/Duress are nice options.
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You know, with -4 Dromar's Cavern +4 Godless Shrine or -4 Dromar's Cavern +2 Plains +2 Swamp, this deck is not only Ravnica Block legal, but Guildpact set legal as well.
GX Tron XG
UR Phoenix RU
GG Freyalise High Tide GG
UR Parun Counterspells RU
BB Yawgmoth Token Storm BB
WB Pestilence BW
He's not trying to make Ravnica legal (i guess), also he's trying to get as budget as he can, so Godless Shrine is not exactly budget. Also, just playing basic lands will give him a hard time to acess the mana needed early on; mana fix is needed and Dromar is a budget and nice solution. Or he can just play with 4-of Signets
@Starlit_Halo:
Belfry Spirit has a better sinergy with Vampire, while Cloudgoat is just a token producer. Promise of Brunei also don't improve Vampire usage (it produces spirits not bats); and you need some back up, not just creatures, so cards like Mortification (Vindicate), Castigate (Thoughtseize), it wracks combos and destroy wrath effects. These are really needed support.
Ghost is far better than Husk since its almost unkillabe with tokens around. But, if you lack options or money, seems a nice option.
I don't like the Hour of Reckoning idea, you disrupt almost all good creatures you have just to keep some tokens around, any later Orzhov Pontiff / Pyroclasm drop by opponent will turn the table over you. With that kind of deck, you have better usage to your tokens than keeping'em alive.
If you want to improve token production, you might consider Spawning Pit, also another usage for tokens or going to be killed creatures.
Those are just some ideas though.
This deck isn't all about Skeletal Vampire but you have convinced me to use Belfry Spirit. I will most likely use Ghost Council of Orzhova but I just need to get some. Hour of Reckoning is off the list because I just don't have enough token producers in this deck. And without HoR I don't need Windbrisk Heights. This is what my list has ended up looking like as of late:
4x Orzhov Basilica
8x Swamps
9x Plains
Creatures:
4x Plagued Rusalka
4x Orzhov Pontiff
2x Nantuko Husk
2x Teysa, Orzhov Scion
4x Blind Hunter
3x Ghost Council of Orzhova
2x Belfry Spirit
3x Skeletal Vampire
4x Cabal Therapy
4x Orzhov Signet
3x Promise of Bunrei
Cloud Key has also been mentioned by a friend of mine as to speed up the rate of which I play stuff but I shall mess around on MWS and see if it works or not. Thanks for all the help! Loving it and needing more of it!
EDIT:
@Asylum this deck does not need to be completely budget just around $100 and below like the rest of my casual decks. Oh and I hate how this deck is becoming so Orzhov-esque with most of it coming out of Guildpact and 5 of the cards having Orzhov in their friggin name.
Thanks to PurpleD of Left Play Designs for this amazing banner!
Rest In Peace PolarBearGod
What I'm playing/building for casual:
:symrg:Stoking the Flames:symgr:
Another add to deck might be Carrion Feeder, it gets permanent pump, comes faster and don't need mana. Might subs Rusalka and Husk.
Another thing you must have is removal, Mortify or Vindicate are needed (both are versatile: the former removes creatures and enchants; the latter any permanent). If you don't, decks with Bob, True Believer and such will give you headaches. as Story Circle.
Teysa should be 3-of, her control with tokens is amazing, she's a removal or token generator.
Pontiff don't need to be 4-of, 2-3 maybe, unless you face too many winnies that don't pump 'til 3rd turn.
Cloud Key is slow, go with Signets, they are faster and do a better fix, since it mess with more than generic mana and comes down at second turn. 3rd turn you already has many drops.
I know you love Brunei, and if you really want it, you should keep for fun, but it doesn't fit on this deck. You already has many token producers (Teysa, Belfry, Skeletal), and you're lacking something needed as removal.
Brunei is great on a W/B Spirits deck, that runs around Devouring Greed.
Oh, and if you're not in budget, fixing mana base is a priority. 4 Godless Shrine as Slivortal said.
Hope being helpful.
GX Tron XG
UR Phoenix RU
GG Freyalise High Tide GG
UR Parun Counterspells RU
BB Yawgmoth Token Storm BB
WB Pestilence BW
Thanks to PurpleD of Left Play Designs for this amazing banner!
Rest In Peace PolarBearGod
What I'm playing/building for casual:
:symrg:Stoking the Flames:symgr: