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Ascended Mage
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TurboSmog
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My current build (September 28, 2008):
Original Post: Well...Batwing Brume got me thinking about post-Eventide B/W Turbofog in standard with Spiteful Visions taking the place of Rites of Flourishing. The advantages that these cards hold over G/W Turbofog lie in the fact that they both cause the opponent to lose life...rather quickly if you have the engine going with Spiteful Visions in play. I don't like waiting to deck people in TurboFog...but when both the Turbo and the Fog cause Lifeloss...things start to get interesting for me. Here's a list I threw together...would appreciate some comments. I'm planning on doing some testing once I settle on a list. I'm also waiting to do the mana-base until I get a more solid list of cards (I would love suggestions on that, too  ).
I know WoG/Damnation would make sense...but I don't have the playsets or the desire to spend money on them since this deck is mostly for casual/FNM... If you're interested, here's other cards I at least thought about... Chronomantic Escape, Sudden Spoiling, Intervention Pact, Story Circle, Beacon of Immortality, Feudkiller's Verdict, Porphyry Nodes, Hoofprints of the Stag, Divinity of Pride, Rebuff the Wicked, Feldon's Cane, Children of Korlis, Luminesce, Seht's Tiger, Darkness, Angel's Grace, Runed Halo ...some of these would likely form the sideboard... I am relatively new to Magic and would appreciate whatever advice y'all might have... Last edited by BFiddy; 09-29-2008 at 06:05 PM. Reason: I didn't know how to format it on the first try :) |
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07-10-2008, 03:00 PM
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Wizard Mentor
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Really like this deck
I'm a turbofog player and have to say that this version looks pretty good. I like taking out green altogether and still getting the card draw.
The deck does need more of a win con though. Either by attacking -- Hoofprints being the best, or by recuring your grave-Feldon's cane. I would also try to fit more gain life in here. SB extrapate is really needed since alot of decks are running the green command. Would put wrath in here instead of Scour. If your going to blow it all up then do that but you won't always have the cards in hand... I know it draws alot but some games you don't get the draw until later. Good luck
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07-10-2008, 03:08 PM
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Ascended Mage
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After some simple calculations, I agree that more lifegain is likely necessary.
I'm not as worried about a win condition. The Spiteful Visions are a win-con if the opponent is not gaining life. I'm quite worried about killing myself with them tbh, hence the need for more lifegain. I might replace 4 of the fogs with Children of Korlis, who I can sac on my turn to gain back the life I lost from drawing cards on my turn in a pinch, but functions as a more fragile fog most of the time... Anyone have any experience with Feudkiller's Verdict? I also thought about it as a 1 or 2 of... I am definitely dropping the Spellbook on my next update as well. One more question...Oblivion Ring MD or SB? Last edited by BFiddy; 07-10-2008 at 03:15 PM. |
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</3 4 Turbofog
I hate Turbofog, cause its such a slow, drawn out crapshoot of a deck, but yours seemed funny. So I threw together a decklist in MWS in and have been testing it out. I'm undefeated in 7 matches... LOL! Batwing Brume is by far the MVP once you have some Spiteful Visions out. I had three Spiteful Visions out one game. My opponent had gained life through Finks, etc. and was at 31. I was at 44 from Martyrs. A Howling Mine also graced my side of the table, and we were losing 12 life a turn, plus I had 3 Brumes in my hand. My opponent attacked with 2 Finks, a Lawnmower, 3 Worm Tokens from a Creakwood Liege and the Liege itself. I triple Brume'd him! HAHA! He lost 21 life. Then I took a Draw-Go turn and let him die to the Visions.
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Also funny, is syphoning your opponent's life using Leechridden Swamp, which if you notice can only be activated with two Spiteful Visions out. LOL! If only Sphere of Law was in Standard, then my Visions wouldn't hurt me, and those RDW decks would cry. Playing this deck feels like burning ants with a magnifying glass. 
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Thanks for posting your list Phyremind...with several solid ideas I hadn't considered. However...mine is likely going to remain a "budget deck"...so no Damnation for me. In testing, Sunscour was good enough.
I'm moving forward with this deck...I'll try to keep posting changes as I continue making them...
Brume is the reason I made this deck and it has been everything I thought it would... Children of Korlis was unimpressive in testing against RDW variants, which is where I thought he would be valuable. Last edited by BFiddy; 08-16-2008 at 09:16 AM. |
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played a list online too... it was pretty cool: personally, i'm fine with just 10 Fog effects. i needed the 4th instant speed removal card to better combat Faeries/Lark, as its already pretty much good against aggro.
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07-10-2008, 08:17 PM
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 I like the inclusion of Finks in this deck, its sort of pseudo fog because it stops attacks and gains life. |
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07-10-2008, 08:45 PM
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Twilight Mire is the G/B Land, I guess you meant Fetid Heath.
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Archmage Overlord
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EDIT: fixed and thanks to the MCR explanation. yeah, Finks really should be in the deck. and i also play Wrath of God over Damnation, mainly due to Martyr of Sands.
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07-10-2008, 10:57 PM
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I tested with Finks and as of now I'm leaning toward Unmake in that slot.
The sideboard would need to be reworked if you are expecting to run into heavy burn. I would think Luminesce, Burrenton Forge-Tender, and Seht's Tiger would be potential answers. However, there may be other things I'm missing so help with this matchup would be appreciated... |
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07-10-2008, 11:23 PM
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Archmage Overlord
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And excuse WotC for making Magic more like YGO every set. 
