Dueling the Best: Four Match Reports

waterboytkd · 11-05-2008, 11:05 PM

This thread is for the discussion of my latest article, Dueling the Best: Four Match Reports. We would be grateful if you would let us know what you think, but please keep your comments on topic.

darkhiroki · 11-06-2008, 01:04 AM

agree, i think duelist might be a mini-solution for the current meta.

as what the article said, 5color control likes to run spot removal in the form of bant charm, shriekmaw, condemn and the like.

also, the rogue can give 2 toughness critters some fits (yes, im looking at you kitchen finks)

good work and congratulations. hope the duelist steals you more success.

Necron1 · 11-06-2008, 02:55 AM

what about elves? Nice deck though, is 4 Sygg really needed

Arcengal · 11-06-2008, 03:52 AM

Hmm, I think the second Toast player misplayed pretty badly. As you said, he wanted to play a four mana spell, but he couldn't because the Cursecatcher was around. What I would have done in his place is let the Cursecatcher eat the Cryptic Command (choosing tap and draw during your combat step), then Wrathed next turn. The second cursecatcher was harsh but a fifth land solves the problem, y'know?

Otherwise, a good article.

Zerin Karamoff · 11-06-2008, 06:16 AM

This proves how powerful testing and "going rogue" can be: I can't wait for the follow up!

It's probably not worth the discussion, but can this deck be ported to Extended? What would your deck again from that cardpool?

PurE · 11-06-2008, 07:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zerin Karamoff

This proves how powerful testing and "going rogue" can be: I can't wait for the follow up!

It's probably not worth the discussion, but can this deck be ported to Extended? What would your deck again from that cardpool?

Uh....

STIFLE.

EDIT: Your list needs more unsummon and less 4-of legends. =/

CaptShetz · 11-06-2008, 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PurE

Uh....

STIFLE.

EDIT: Your list needs more unsummon and less 4-of legends. =/

Unsummon is terrible and Sygg is awesome. Running 4 of a legend that wins games (and your opponents desperately want to kill) is the right move. And what are you going to do... unsummon Shriekmaw, Mulldrifter and Kitchen Finks?

All hail the River Guide!

Sutherlands · 11-06-2008, 04:39 PM

No, he's right, only a n00b would play the deck that the OP played. He completely lucked out, and for proof that he has no skill, all you need to look at is the fact that he's a judge (and a "homemaker").

PurE · 11-06-2008, 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaptShetz

Unsummon is terrible and Sygg is awesome. Running 4 of a legend that wins games (and your opponents desperately want to kill) is the right move. And what are you going to do... unsummon Shriekmaw, Mulldrifter and Kitchen Finks?

All hail the River Guide!

That shows how much you know about this archetype. =/

XxTaLoNxX · 11-06-2008, 09:15 PM

You know....

I like Merfolk but somehow I just can't get this thought out of the back of my mind that your report is biased.

Against RDW // DDW I know for a fact that Merfolk has a 20% macthup. The only matchup that Merfolk has a really good chance at right now is Faeries.

I've played alot on MTGO lately against a variety of decks and I was testing Stoic Control and I have come up against alot of Merfolk decks and I've only lost a few times against the deck.

Is Merfolk a good viable deck, probably but beware that you may run into players who are better than your playtest group.

Also I just want to say that I liked both of your articles but I don't feel like Merfolk is the deck to beat right now.

Gatdam · 11-06-2008, 09:30 PM

Glad to see Deft Duelist is as good as I thought it was when I first read the Shards spoiler.

Christopholoph · 11-06-2008, 11:17 PM

God bless it Andrew, how long have you been writing articles on Salvation? I came here out of boredom and was like, 'oh man who's this moron high on merfolk now?' Imagine my surprise to realize that its you! (not very suprised, actually)

heh, just kiddin amigo. seriously though, very cool that you're writing and I hope to see a report on Saturday. Also very excited for States and I can't wait to see you there. Sorry about the other week when I wasn't very friendly after my mana screw g3, but it wasn't you obv. I don't normally get worked up about that kinda thing, but man is that annoying especially when you're the only good player there; I don't need to worry about fumbling games on mana against anyone else you know? Also, I'm like what 0-4 against you in sanctioned matches? I have better win percentages against pros :\ I pretty much only come down there to see if I can beat you finally ><

Anyway, for content:

I feel that Sygg is a beating, and definitely the best card in that deck - I'll actually agree that four is probably the right number. For some reason I have this feeling that I would run three instead, but I can't think of a logical explanation as to why.

Deft duelist is good enough to run main; either that guy or Knight of Meadowgrain. I really like the lifegain against red, but Shroud can be nuts. Tough call.

If you haven't tested Windbrisk in merfolk yet, its insane and you should at least try it on Friday before States.

:end content

You're a jerk for not testing with me on MWS. Download the program and play magic cards with me dood. MWS > better testing than using real cards.

**Woapalanne** · 11-07-2008, 09:45 AM

And then we'll get Andrew to use AIM and stuff... yeah right. ¬_¬

Good luck at States, all, and drop some feedback if you run Merfolk. I will beat our dear author here if he does not write an article about his matches.

Christopholoph · 11-07-2008, 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Woapalanne

And then we'll get Andrew to use AIM and stuff... yeah right. ¬_¬

Good luck at States, all, and drop some feedback if you run Merfolk. I will beat our dear author here if he does not write an article about his matches.

rofl, love your avatar eli

11-05-2008, 11:05 PM	#1
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11-06-2008, 04:39 PM	#8
Sutherlands Planeswalker - Krobelus Rules Guru Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 7,350	No, he's right, only a n00b would play the deck that the OP played. He completely lucked out, and for proof that he has no skill, all you need to look at is the fact that he's a judge (and a "homemaker"). __________________ Level 1 Judge Hey, you! Yeah, you behind the computer screen! You're unconstitutional. America == Velociraptor Play IRC mafia. (/join #mafia)

11-06-2008, 11:17 PM	#12
Christopholoph Just Getting Started Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 13	Andrew God bless it Andrew, how long have you been writing articles on Salvation? I came here out of boredom and was like, 'oh man who's this moron high on merfolk now?' Imagine my surprise to realize that its you! (not very suprised, actually) heh, just kiddin amigo. seriously though, very cool that you're writing and I hope to see a report on Saturday. Also very excited for States and I can't wait to see you there. Sorry about the other week when I wasn't very friendly after my mana screw g3, but it wasn't you obv. I don't normally get worked up about that kinda thing, but man is that annoying especially when you're the only good player there; I don't need to worry about fumbling games on mana against anyone else you know? Also, I'm like what 0-4 against you in sanctioned matches? I have better win percentages against pros :\ I pretty much only come down there to see if I can beat you finally >< Anyway, for content: I feel that Sygg is a beating, and definitely the best card in that deck - I'll actually agree that four is probably the right number. For some reason I have this feeling that I would run three instead, but I can't think of a logical explanation as to why. Deft duelist is good enough to run main; either that guy or Knight of Meadowgrain. I really like the lifegain against red, but Shroud can be nuts. Tough call. If you haven't tested Windbrisk in merfolk yet, its insane and you should at least try it on Friday before States. :end content You're a jerk for not testing with me on MWS. Download the program and play magic cards with me dood. MWS > better testing than using real cards.

11-07-2008, 09:45 AM	#13
Woapalanne Legendary Creature -- Demon Judge Moderator Rules Guru MTGS Writer & Editor Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 6,408 Blog Entries: 1	And then we'll get Andrew to use AIM and stuff... yeah right. ¬_¬ Good luck at States, all, and drop some feedback if you run Merfolk. I will beat our dear author here if he does not write an article about his matches. __________________ The Mod Help Desk Terrifying Rancored_Elf since 2003. "Woapalanne, your avatar has always and always will scare me. I don't know why, but it does." - rancored_elf "Ah those eyes, those horrible creepy eyes!" -Chaosof99 DCI Level 3 Judge & TO "I do not consider myself a hero. I know only what the Vec teach: justice must always be served and corruption must always be opposed." Go read! I am one of the three authors of Cranial Insertion. ¡Cranial Insertion en castellano!

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11-06-2008, 02:55 AM	#3
Necron1 Ascended Mage Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 194	what about elves? Nice deck though, is 4 Sygg really needed

11-06-2008, 03:52 AM	#4
Arcengal Ascended Mage Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 222	Hmm, I think the second Toast player misplayed pretty badly. As you said, he wanted to play a four mana spell, but he couldn't because the Cursecatcher was around. What I would have done in his place is let the Cursecatcher eat the Cryptic Command (choosing tap and draw during your combat step), then Wrathed next turn. The second cursecatcher was harsh but a fifth land solves the problem, y'know? Otherwise, a good article.

11-06-2008, 09:30 PM	#11
Gatdam Experienced Mage Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Flint, MI Posts: 100	Glad to see Deft Duelist is as good as I thought it was when I first read the Shards spoiler.