[RAV] Benevolent Ancestor

rancored_elf · 08-01-2005, 03:24 PM

This is from the same source as Convolute.

Benevolent Ancestor -

Creature - Spirit (C)
Defender

: Prevent the next 1 damage that would be dealt to target creature or player this turn.
0/4
#3/306

Additionally, there's an artifact costing

for the G/W guild which keeps the top card of your library revealed. You can pay 2 mana, without tapping, to shift it to the bottom of the library instead.

Apparently he has some early magazine info or something, but I think he's worried about getting in trouble so he's only giving me a part of it. Trust me, I'll be working on him. :smile2:

The artifact sounds cool but the spirit is obviously limited filler. But it's info anyway.

DevouringZombie · 08-01-2005, 03:25 PM

First
That artifact seems neat.

Odd, I added something after this to secure first. Well here it is anyway.

My Question is why is an artifact with an activated ability of

part of the G/W guild. Does G/W want to see its top card?

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jackpunch · 08-01-2005, 03:30 PM

If the wall cost W, maybe...

Nah, probably not.

Still nice to see new stuff starting to come in...

chaosof99 · 08-01-2005, 03:31 PM

the ancestor looks relatively nice in limited. the artifact looks good although its a bad idea to let your opponent know each and every card you draw.

Hvirfilvindr · 08-01-2005, 03:32 PM

Haven't we seen this before?

funkeymonkeyman · 08-01-2005, 03:32 PM

Spirit eh? It's odd to be seeing those right after THE spirit block, though I suppose that they are a very common creature type in magic.

The artifact seems interesting right off the bat, but Top will always be infinitely better in any constructed deck, so meh... Possibly in block or something.

Player From Brazil · 08-01-2005, 03:33 PM

I would gladly use the Ancestor on limited. ~~And the artifact will make Hinder worse...~~
Edit: sorry, I thought that if you payed 2 you could change the top card for the bottom card of the library...

rancored_elf · 08-01-2005, 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hvirfilvindr

Haven't we seen this before?

Good point! Apparently they figured they'd take a lame limited card and reprint it with the Spirit type... a block later. Oh well, eh?

avabob · 08-01-2005, 03:34 PM

Thanks, the artifact looks cool. Keep it up

And it isn't the same as alabaster wall. It is a spirit and can attack

Ha. If for some reason all you had on the board was that and a loxodon warhammer then you could attack

Mr. Stuff · 08-01-2005, 03:36 PM

Any thoughts on why the artifact is "for the g/w guild"? Is it flavour or mechanic that makes it this way? Maybe something like sunburst (ie. if you played it with g/w mana, it does something special)?

edit: Or maybe the "top to bottom" cost is GW?

Kultcher · 08-01-2005, 03:40 PM

That's not bad a limited filler, however. Well, at least if x/4 guys are as effective in RAV as they are in the current limited environment. And seriously, spirit? That guy would have been a perfect fit in CHK block. That said, he's quite a bit better than the likes of Samite Healer, though he's not as good as Split-Tail Miko. A playable-to-solid common.

The artifact sounds cool, though. What exactly makes it G/W guild specific, though? I mean, it costs 2, so anyone can play it right? It seems somewhere between Sensei's Divining Top and Future Sight, and might see some play. The ability seems a bit too pricey to make the card really good, though.

chaosof99 · 08-01-2005, 03:40 PM

Somehow this reminds me on a card I made up about two weeks ago in a german forum for a contest: Link

rancored_elf · 08-01-2005, 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Stuff

edit: Or maybe the "top to bottom" cost is GW?

I think this is why. And probably something to do with the flavour (Name and art have something to do with the "candelabra bush" guild).

funkeymonkeyman · 08-01-2005, 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Stuff

Any thoughts on why the artifact is "for the g/w guild"? Is it flavour or mechanic that makes it this way? Maybe something like sunburst (ie. if you played it with g/w mana, it does something special)?

edit: Or maybe the "top to bottom" cost is GW?

notice how RE said it "cost 2 for the G/W guild." I'm pretty sure that means that it really costs {g/w}{g/w} and that they're introducing colored artifacts in this set.

in fact, I remember something about colored artifacts from an ask wizards or something like that.

belannaer · 08-01-2005, 03:50 PM

I like the wall. It's pretty ok in sealed which I tend to play.. a lot. It's not a game winner but ok wall and that prevent ability is nice too as it is always untapped. Takes a bit off the edge from burn to critters. Also toughness 4 is enough to block majority of mobs and survive. It also interacts nicely with spirits stuff that's going to be around for a while thanks to Kamigawa. Artifact is also a decent trick factory although I fail to see how it is for the G/W guild but we'll probably see. It does take away a moment of surprise as opponent sees your draws but also gives you a nice library manipulation. Some times letting opponents to see what's coming is a nice psychological effect. I like the "It's coming!" effect of it.

08-01-2005, 03:24 PM	#1
rancored_elf change we can imagine Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: peak everything Posts: 8,984	[RAV] Benevolent Ancestor This is from the same source as Convolute. Benevolent Ancestor - Creature - Spirit (C) Defender : Prevent the next 1 damage that would be dealt to target creature or player this turn. 0/4 #3/306 Additionally, there's an artifact costing for the G/W guild which keeps the top card of your library revealed. You can pay 2 mana, without tapping, to shift it to the bottom of the library instead. Apparently he has some early magazine info or something, but I think he's worried about getting in trouble so he's only giving me a part of it. Trust me, I'll be working on him. :smile2: The artifact sounds cool but the spirit is obviously limited filler. But it's info anyway. __________________ "It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan Last edited by rancored_elf : 08-01-2005 at 03:29 PM. Reason: fixed mana symbols

08-01-2005, 03:25 PM	#2
DevouringZombie Hail Xenu! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Suburbia Posts: 2,329	First That artifact seems neat. Odd, I added something after this to secure first. Well here it is anyway. My Question is why is an artifact with an activated ability of part of the G/W guild. Does G/W want to see its top card? Warning for editing out a Mod's text- Belgareth The text still stands ,Please keep content in posts , editing moderator text and adding content = instant warning Last edited by Belgareth : 08-02-2005 at 06:31 AM.

08-01-2005, 03:31 PM	#4
chaosof99 Textbased Lifeform MTGS Writer Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Austria Posts: 2,137	the ancestor looks relatively nice in limited. the artifact looks good although its a bad idea to let your opponent know each and every card you draw. __________________ Thanks to ChibiSwan for the Signature.

08-01-2005, 03:33 PM	#7
Player From Brazil Just Getting Started Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 19	I would gladly use the Ancestor on limited. ~~And the artifact will make Hinder worse...~~ Edit: sorry, I thought that if you payed 2 you could change the top card for the bottom card of the library... Last edited by Player From Brazil : 08-01-2005 at 03:35 PM.

08-01-2005, 03:34 PM	#9
avabob Archmage Join Date: May 2005 Location: On a stairway to heaven Posts: 806	Thanks, the artifact looks cool. Keep it up And it isn't the same as alabaster wall. It is a spirit and can attack Ha. If for some reason all you had on the board was that and a loxodon warhammer then you could attack Last edited by avabob : 08-01-2005 at 03:38 PM.


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08-01-2005, 03:30 PM	#3
jackpunch Just Getting Started Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 28	If the wall cost W, maybe... Nah, probably not. Still nice to see new stuff starting to come in...

08-01-2005, 03:32 PM	#5
Hvirfilvindr Google Benny Lava Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia Posts: 2,865	Haven't we seen this before?

08-01-2005, 03:32 PM	#6
funkeymonkeyman Experienced Mage Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 67	Spirit eh? It's odd to be seeing those right after THE spirit block, though I suppose that they are a very common creature type in magic. The artifact seems interesting right off the bat, but Top will always be infinitely better in any constructed deck, so meh... Possibly in block or something.

08-01-2005, 03:40 PM	#11
Kultcher Experienced Mage Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 107	That's not bad a limited filler, however. Well, at least if x/4 guys are as effective in RAV as they are in the current limited environment. And seriously, spirit? That guy would have been a perfect fit in CHK block. That said, he's quite a bit better than the likes of Samite Healer, though he's not as good as Split-Tail Miko. A playable-to-solid common. The artifact sounds cool, though. What exactly makes it G/W guild specific, though? I mean, it costs 2, so anyone can play it right? It seems somewhere between Sensei's Divining Top and Future Sight, and might see some play. The ability seems a bit too pricey to make the card really good, though.

08-01-2005, 03:50 PM	#15
belannaer Experienced Mage Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 94	I like the wall. It's pretty ok in sealed which I tend to play.. a lot. It's not a game winner but ok wall and that prevent ability is nice too as it is always untapped. Takes a bit off the edge from burn to critters. Also toughness 4 is enough to block majority of mobs and survive. It also interacts nicely with spirits stuff that's going to be around for a while thanks to Kamigawa. Artifact is also a decent trick factory although I fail to see how it is for the G/W guild but we'll probably see. It does take away a moment of surprise as opponent sees your draws but also gives you a nice library manipulation. Some times letting opponents to see what's coming is a nice psychological effect. I like the "It's coming!" effect of it. __________________ Your adventure starts here in the coolest dungeon on the net.

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