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hey man since r_e isn't on I'll pass this to you, he said I could talk to you about it if he wasn't here......he wanted me to see if I could get some red cards and I managed to get 3 from the source (if you didn't know, he's (edited out to protect the source) and I think he has the full spoiler, I can only get a couple cards at a time, like Convolute)!! Smash is reprinted, there's a 3/2 Lizardman for one red, it has defender but you can sac three mountains to make it lose defender until end of the turn, also "Fiery Conclusion" is the same as shrapnel blast but you have to sacrifice a creature instead of an artifact and it only targets creatures. plsssss don't post my name because my buddy would get seriously burnt thx!!
Hmm...well it's good to hear some stuff getting reprinted now. Red cantrips always make people happy.
The lizardman seems kinda.....well....bad I guess if you need to sac three mountains to lose defender. Although a 3/2 wall for that doesn't die when it blocks [cinder wall ] is really good.
The shrapenal blast vs. creatures is interesting.
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Nice! Man these sources are a heck of a lot more excited about giving us Rav info than Saviors! This blocks rumour season should be sweet if these finds are indicators!
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If its a lizardman I would suspect the creature type to be of Viashino as they are the lizardmen-esque race on this realm. Since it is a city where creatures/people/races come to mingle as an economic centre you;re going to have representation from all different planes. I'd suspect we'll have Cephalids, Homarids, Faeries, Dryads, Gargoyles, etc all coming back for another try at the capitalist dream.
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Nothing truly exciting. 3 mountains is way too much for it to attack for one turn only. FC is a nice removal card for limited though. Block a fattie with a little guy, then sac and burn.
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That 5 dmg to creatures is going to be perfectly nice in limited. You can kill most anything by losing a creature that was going to trade in combat already + 1R.
Hmmm. A Smash reprint? Wouldn't it have been easier to just reprint the original?
I think that's what "reprint" means... ie: Smash is reprinted. Can that mean something else?
Cool bunch of cards, I love the lizardman/viashino! 3/2 for one is hot... that's going to smash little 1/2s all day long. And the ability to attack is huge icing on the cake for the late game. Sweet flavour, too.
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3/2 for R is never bad, even if it has defender. In limited it makes me want to have its children. the 3 mtn sac thing wont be used that often, but when it is, im sure you just won the game. (like doing the last 3 bits of damage).
3 Good cards all around. Firey Ending (or whatever) isnt as fun as Shrapnel (since it only gets creatures) but it isnt terrible.
The wall is nice, and it can do some stuff late game. I still don't think it will do well in constructed though even in casual...sept in some weird crucible deck >
The grenade is awsome though at instant speed, probobly used in some constructed decks.
The lizard is good; gives red the upper hand in aggro fights, somewhat defensively. The creature-shrapnel-blast sucks though. The good thing about the original Shrapnel Blast was how much damage it did to your opponent. I rarely ever, and rarely ever seen anyone else, use shrapnel blast to hit creatures. Crushing Pain is better than this card, and may not even cost you a creature (depends if you block or something to do the initial damage).
Unless I'm misunderstanding something here, in that quote the source (well, the source's lackey, I guess) said he did not want his name to be revealed. The way I read it was him referring to his own name not just the name of his source. You may want to edit that, seeing as his name is visible.
I totally disagree with Xanth (and some other posters):
The lizard sucks in limited. When you go red, you don't want a card that stays in the defence. No way.
The "Sharpnel Blast" however is nice, especially in RG or RW where you sometimes have trouble killing creatures with toughness larger than 3 (at least you usually have, since we haven't seen all red cards yet, we can't be sure).
The lizard is awesome. The burn is shrapnel blast for creatures. Hopefully it will be very powerfull. like shrapnell, with some good low cost creatures with abilities (like witness, etc.). Smash is meh IMHO.
EDIT- I misread the shrapnel. I thought it could target players like shrapnel. Now it is just mediocre.
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@nal2: Although most people see red through a glass stained with the thick, hazy, dirty clod of that which is sligh, in the type-2 environment there is ample breathing room for mono-red control variants. In these such decks, the lizard will be very useful.
I can see the lizard in a competative mono red deck, as it is efficient early defence which red lacks, which can double as a late game/emmergency beater.
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Great to see some more cards coming through for us, thanks 'Sed's for getting 'em here! And thanks to our source for this particular piece of info... Red is always a great place to start for a set bro, we appreciate it very much!!!
The lizardman is quite the good little common, slapping down hands left right and center and even giving Kird ape and Frostling a run for their money as another viable turn one drop for red.
Hrm... Wait... what? 3/2 for R? Seems good. Who cares if he has Defender if you play him. Then Akki Raider. Then O-Naginata Equip sack three lands and swing? Nevermind that's not good. It's only 11 damage Maybe a Blazing Shoal would help. Too bad his butt's so small cuz otherwise he'd fit right in a Wildfire deck ;).
Three lands is really harsh. And since Crucible rotates out the next best thing is going to be Willie to get lands back. Meh. It could work
Wow! Smash is SO good. I've been awaiting its return... since the last multicolor block actually O_o. Does this mean cantrips are back?!? Cuz I'd reaaaaaalllly enjoy that
It's really odd that they'd do cantrips AND alternate casting costs in the same set/block, not to mention the new Bleed mechanic. I mean, previously, cantrips and ACC were block-level mechanics, though Cantrips are easy to sneak in here and there (Curtain of Light, etc).
Seems like Smash is about a block too late, heh... but still a solid card.
A Cinder Wall that doesn't die!? Awesome... Cinder Wall has always been a favorite card of mine. The Burn spell, depending on rarity, should be VERY influential in limited. 5 damage, as an instant, kills most any beefy creatures, even bombs if augmented with combat damage. good stuff.
...Wow! Smash is SO good. I've been awaiting its return... since the last multicolor block actually O_o. Does this mean cantrips are back?!? Cuz I'd reaaaaaalllly enjoy that ^_^...
I completely agree blue bro, I'd be very excited to see a card like Exclude in this set... mono blue could be so strong in the new Type two...
Smash is a definite shoe-in for a new slightly more controlish mono red build come October, great stuff to see...
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So...
Smash will be reprinted in RAV.
Some Lizardman
Creature - Lizardman? (don't really know the type)
Defender
Sacrifice 3 Mountains: This~ loses defender until end of turn.
3/2
Firey Conclusion
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Instant
As an additional cost to play ~this~, sacrifice a creature.
~this~ deals 5 damage to target creature.
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As for rarities, Smash is common...as it was before, and the other two are probably commons as well. Thats my guess of course.
It looks like they are taking defender and running with it, finally. Making 'walls' that make sense.
The lizard is a good limited card, and wonderful with the Conclusion.
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The lizardman seems kinda.....well....bad I guess if you need to sac three mountains to lose defender. Although a 3/2 wall for that doesn't die when it blocks [cinder wall ] is really good.
The shrapenal blast vs. creatures is interesting.
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A 3/2 for R? Cool. Sac three Mountains to let it attack? Not cool.
Fiery Conclusion sounds promising, though.
you also gain the instant speed which is really nice. but all in all its just a rather standard card.
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I think that's what "reprint" means... ie: Smash is reprinted. Can that mean something else?
Cool bunch of cards, I love the lizardman/viashino! 3/2 for one is hot... that's going to smash little 1/2s all day long. And the ability to attack is huge icing on the cake for the late game. Sweet flavour, too.
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It's hardly a problem with Cosmic Larva. That thing is a house.
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I agree the lizard guy is probably Viashino.
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3 Good cards all around. Firey Ending (or whatever) isnt as fun as Shrapnel (since it only gets creatures) but it isnt terrible.
The grenade is awsome though at instant speed, probobly used in some constructed decks.
Unless I'm misunderstanding something here, in that quote the source (well, the source's lackey, I guess) said he did not want his name to be revealed. The way I read it was him referring to his own name not just the name of his source. You may want to edit that, seeing as his name is visible.
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I'm pretty sure anon is just an abbreviation of "anonymous" within this context.
[Edit:] It confused me at first, too.
The lizard sucks in limited. When you go red, you don't want a card that stays in the defence. No way.
The "Sharpnel Blast" however is nice, especially in RG or RW where you sometimes have trouble killing creatures with toughness larger than 3 (at least you usually have, since we haven't seen all red cards yet, we can't be sure).
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EDIT- I misread the shrapnel. I thought it could target players like shrapnel. Now it is just mediocre.
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@nal2: Although most people see red through a glass stained with the thick, hazy, dirty clod of that which is sligh, in the type-2 environment there is ample breathing room for mono-red control variants. In these such decks, the lizard will be very useful.
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I'm with ya here. It's certainly a better turn one play than trying to Shock an Elder.
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New Shrappy sucks, maybe useful to take out a big legend from the Kami Block.
Smash - meh. I'd rather use shatter, but probably good in draft.
Great to see some more cards coming through for us, thanks 'Sed's for getting 'em here! And thanks to our source for this particular piece of info... Red is always a great place to start for a set bro, we appreciate it very much!!!
The lizardman is quite the good little common, slapping down hands left right and center and even giving Kird ape and Frostling a run for their money as another viable turn one drop for red.
Three lands is really harsh. And since Crucible rotates out the next best thing is going to be Willie to get lands back. Meh. It could work
Wow! Smash is SO good. I've been awaiting its return... since the last multicolor block actually O_o. Does this mean cantrips are back?!? Cuz I'd reaaaaaalllly enjoy that
*crosses fingers and hopes for Dismiss
Seems like Smash is about a block too late, heh... but still a solid card.
A Cinder Wall that doesn't die!? Awesome... Cinder Wall has always been a favorite card of mine. The Burn spell, depending on rarity, should be VERY influential in limited. 5 damage, as an instant, kills most any beefy creatures, even bombs if augmented with combat damage. good stuff.
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I completely agree blue bro, I'd be very excited to see a card like Exclude in this set... mono blue could be so strong in the new Type two...
Smash is a definite shoe-in for a new slightly more controlish mono red build come October, great stuff to see...
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