So obviously the plan is to get out Painter's Servant, then play Llawan and protect her. It's been working pretty well... too well actually. Even if they can get rid of Painter's Servant, I usually can keep them bounced out. There's a small Wizard theme in the deck with the Pickles lock down as well. I really didn't want to go with the Spin Into Myth, Hinder, Proteus Staff, into Tunnel Vision (I at least like to give my opponent the chance to draw out of it... plus that only knocks off one player).
Some comments Tidespout Tyrant is a complete bomb and if left unchecked for even a turn, can spell the end of a game (bouncing multiple lands in a turn).
I'm not sure why Tolaria West is in this deck... maybe a pipe dream of having a Tolarian Academy someday. I should probably run a Tormod's Crypt since it can be fetched with that and Trinket Mage.
The reason for having Tolaria West is the ability to fetch Maze of Ith. Best "blue" land in town. Oh, and it can make mana. Mana wins games.
Yea, it's actually been really good for me fetching Ruins if my Painter's Servant is in the graveyard, Glaciers if I have a top, or Tower if I'm already drawing a ton of cards. I've only played it turn 1 once... I've come to learn it's meaning.
Does anyone think Extraplanar Lens has a place in this deck? With the abundance of artifact removal, I don't like the thought of stone raining myself.
I'm not convinced on Illuminated Folio. It is an amazing card for EDH. However, its main use is in decks without access to U. mono Red, Green, and White decks especially it NEEDS to get in. Here... there simply are better options. Honden of the Seeing Winds heck replicates that effect, as your not going to abuse the folio. But from there, You do already have tidings, which was anover alternative I would suggest (much better then Folio). Fact or Fiction is good though, Rhystic Study i havn't seen much in action, but i think its pretty good.
For what to cut, the deck is fairly solid, so this is personal opinion. Riftwing Cloudskate seems a tad weak for EDH, it bounces, but just doesn't do much. You seem a tad heavy on colorless acceleration, seems like you'd run out of gas. In single player its better, in multiplayer i wouldnt bother with much accel.
Also, what about Evacuation?
EDIT: Is this for single player or multiplayer, because i realize my comments would change a tad if it was single player.
I'm not convinced on Illuminated Folio. It is an amazing card for EDH. However, its main use is in decks without access to U. mono Red, Green, and White decks especially it NEEDS to get in. Here... there simply are better options. Honden of the Seeing Winds heck replicates that effect, as your not going to abuse the folio. But from there, You do already have tidings, which was anover alternative I would suggest (much better then Folio). Fact or Fiction is good though, Rhystic Study i havn't seen much in action, but i think its pretty good.
Yea, I didn't find a spot for Folio either, probably for the same reasons you mentioned. I also didn't like the thought of spells ending up in the graveyard ala FoF with very few ways to bring them back. I do have a Honden of the Seeing Winds in possession to play.
For what to cut, the deck is fairly solid, so this is personal opinion. Riftwing Cloudskate seems a tad weak for EDH, it bounces, but just doesn't do much.
Last card I took out was Aethersnipe and that is cheaper to evoke/bounce continually... but I do like the option to bounce a land, even if it costs 2 more. Realize that between shard, portal, and mastermind that there's many ways to abuse him, Llawan, and Venser's CITP bouncing abilities. However do you think Aethersnipe might be better than Cloudskate? It is hot bouncing a Rav bounce land like Azorious Chancery.
You seem a tad heavy on colorless acceleration, seems like you'd run out of gas. In single player its better, in multiplayer i wouldnt bother with much accel.
I honestly tap out EVERY turn with this deck, it's quite uncanny. Between bouncing and replaying my dudes, portal and flute, I rarely have wasted mana. But I could see cutting Sisay's Ring... however maybe it's better to cut a colorless producing land? I like Zoetic Cavern due to the amount of morph creatures in the deck and it's invunerability to creature kill, plus it's possible acceleration. Terrain Generator is nice, but rarely necessary (used when drawing mulitple cards a turn like if Azami isn't quickly assassinated). Terminal Moraine can probably be cut... hell, I could run Esper Panorama since it does the same thing for 1 less, but I heard people frown on that. But do you agree that cutting a colorless land would be the choice over an artifact that adds 2 for 1 card? Or is the sussceptability to artifact removal make it not worth the risk? There probably is more artifact removal that land removal being played in EDH.
I had it in at one point and it's good, but Llawan's effect was doing the job (so consistently and cheap too). Do you think I should have Swirl the Mists in the deck? It's kind of counter-productive with Painter's Servant, however it's a way to not need to rely on servant. Hmmm... that's a good card to include! I should give it a try!
EDIT: Is this for single player or multiplayer, because i realize my comments would change a tad if it was single player.
I'm usually playing against 1 to 2 players. This is due to the fact that not many people have EDH, but I have 4 decks now and lend them out... however Llawan is truly a ******* deck and so I usually don't lend that out to play a group game and rather play it against other 1v1 *****y generals. It does usually have a good group game matchup with it's ability to lock out games (via pickles and Llawan/Painter's Servant + recurrable counterspells).
Wash Out would return all permenants in play when Painter's out... are you just saying it's powerful because I can float mana? Like a two card Upheaval? I guess I could see that... kind of neat.
Wash Out would return all permenants in play when Painter's out... are you just saying it's powerful because I can float mana? Like a two card Upheaval? I guess I could see that... kind of neat.
That was the suggestion, yes. I'm sorry, I wrote my post in a hurry and didn't have time to elaborate.
But you can also float enough mana to replay Lewan and the servant to re-lock the game from an unfavorable board position.
1 Llawan, Cephalid Empress
Creatures (29):
1 Painter's Servant
1 Vedalken Mastermind
1 Voidmage Prodigy
1 Scarecrone
1 Willbender (morphs cost 3)
1 Voidmage Apprentice
1 Vesuvan Shapeshifter
1 Brine Elemental
1 Trinket Mage
1 Daring Apprentice
1 Nevermaker
1 Fatestitcher
1 Glen Elendra Archmage
1 Archivist
1 Venser Shaper Savant
1 Mulldrifter
1 Body Double
1 Talas Researcher
1 Empress Galina
1 Azami, Lady of Scrolls
1 Teferi Mage of Zhalfir
1 Magus of the Future
1 Duplicant
1 Keiga, the Tide Star
1 Draining Whelk
1 Arcanis the Omnipotent
1 Triskelavus
1 Sphinx Ambassador
1 Tidespout Tyrant
1 Phyrexian Furnace
1 Sol Ring
1 Sensi's Divining Top
1 Ancestral Vision
1 Sapphire Medallion
1 Lightning Greaves
1 Muddle the Mixture
1 Crystal Shard
1 Worn Powerstone
1 Vedalken Shackles
1 Fabricate
1 Hinder
1 Forbid
1 Erratic Portal
1 Sisay's Ring
1 Ur-Golem's Eye
1 Thran Dynamo
1 Concentrate
1 Rite of Replication
1 Gauntlet of Power
1 Gilded Lotus
1 Citanual Flute
1 Mind's Eye
1 Tidings
1 Evacuation
1 Future Sight
1 Planar Portal
1 Mindslaver
1 Time Stop
1 Capsize
1 Blatant Thievery
1 Time Stretch
19 Island
1 Oboro, Palace in the Clouds
1 Seat of the Synod
1 Minamo, School at Water's Edge
1 Faerie Conclave
1 Remote Isle
1 Lonely Sandbar
1 Tolaria West
1 Coral Atoll
1 Terrain Generator
1 Temple of the False god
1 Stalking Stones
1 Mishra's Factory
1 Zoetic Cavern
1 Reliquary Tower
1 Academy Ruins
1 Riptide Laboratory
1 Terramorphic Expanse
1 Thawing Glaciers
1 Vesuva
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1 Llawan, Cephalid Empress
Creatures (29):
1 Painter's Servant
1 Vedalken Mastermind
1 Stern Proctor
1 Voidmage Prodigy
1 Scarecrone
1 Willbender (morphs cost 3)
1 Voidmage Apprentice
1 Vesuvan Shapeshifter
1 Brine Elemental
1 Trinket Mage
1 Daring Apprentice
1 Nevermaker
1 Fatestitcher
1 Glen Elendra Archmage
1 Archivist
1 Venser Shaper Savant
1 Mulldrifter
1 Body Double
1 Riftwing Cloudskate
1 Azami, Lady of Scrolls
1 Teferi Mage of Zhalfir
1 Triskelion
1 Duplicant
1 Keiga, the Tide Star
1 Vedalken Dismisser
1 Arcanis the Omnipotent
1 Triskelavus
1 Grim Poppet
1 Tidespout Tyrant
1 Phyrexian Furnace
1 Sol Ring
1 Sensi's Divining Top
1 Ancestral Vision
1 Scroll Rack
1 Sapphire Medallion
1 Lightning Greaves
1 Muddle the Mixture
1 Crystal Shard
1 Worn Powerstone
1 Vedalken Shackles
1 Fabricate
1 Hinder
1 Forbid
1 Erratic Portal
1 Icy Manipulator
1 Sisay's Ring
1 Ur-Golem's Eye
1 Thran Dynamo
1 Gilded Lotus
1 Citanual Flute
1 Mind's Eye
1 Fervent Denial
1 Tidings
1 Planar Portal
1 Mindslaver
1 Time Stop
1 Capsize
1 Reality Strobe
1 Time Stretch
20 Island
1 Oboro, Palace in the Clouds
1 Seat of the Synod
1 Minamo, School at Water's Edge
1 Faerie Conclave
1 Remote Isle
1 Lonely Sandbar
1 Tolaria West
1 Coral Atoll
1 Terramorphic Expanse
1 Terminal Moraine
1 Terrain Generator
1 Temple of the False god
1 Stalking Stones
1 Mishra's Factory
1 Zoetic Cavern
1 Reliquary Tower
1 Academy Ruins
1 Thawing Glaciers
1 Ice Floe
So obviously the plan is to get out Painter's Servant, then play Llawan and protect her. It's been working pretty well... too well actually. Even if they can get rid of Painter's Servant, I usually can keep them bounced out. There's a small Wizard theme in the deck with the Pickles lock down as well. I really didn't want to go with the Spin Into Myth, Hinder, Proteus Staff, into Tunnel Vision (I at least like to give my opponent the chance to draw out of it... plus that only knocks off one player).
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Tidespout Tyrant is a complete bomb and if left unchecked for even a turn, can spell the end of a game (bouncing multiple lands in a turn).
I'm not sure why Tolaria West is in this deck... maybe a pipe dream of having a Tolarian Academy someday. I should probably run a Tormod's Crypt since it can be fetched with that and Trinket Mage.
What would you cut from the above deck to fit in Fact or Fiction and/or Rhystic Study?
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Yea, it's actually been really good for me fetching Ruins if my Painter's Servant is in the graveyard, Glaciers if I have a top, or Tower if I'm already drawing a ton of cards. I've only played it turn 1 once... I've come to learn it's meaning.
Does anyone think Extraplanar Lens has a place in this deck? With the abundance of artifact removal, I don't like the thought of stone raining myself.
Also, do you think Merchant Scroll is worth it if I'll be finding Forbid or Capsize?
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1 Llawan, Cephalid Empress
Creatures (30):
1 Painter's Servant
1 Vedalken Mastermind
1 Stern Proctor
1 Voidmage Prodigy
1 Scarecrone
1 Willbender (morphs cost 3)
1 Voidmage Apprentice
1 Vesuvan Shapeshifter
1 Brine Elemental
1 Trinket Mage
1 Daring Apprentice
1 Solemn Simulacrum
1 Nevermaker
1 Fatestitcher
1 Glen Elendra Archmage
1 Archivist
1 Venser Shaper Savant
1 Mulldrifter
1 Body Double
1 Riftwing Cloudskate
1 Azami, Lady of Scrolls
1 Teferi Mage of Zhalfir
1 Triskelion
1 Duplicant
1 Keiga, the Tide Star
1 Vedalken Dismisser
1 Arcanis the Omnipotent
1 Triskelavus
1 Grim Poppet
1 Tidespout Tyrant
1 Phyrexian Furnace
1 Sol Ring
1 Sensi's Divining Top
1 Ancestral Vision
1 Scroll Rack
1 Sapphire Medallion
1 Lightning Greaves
1 Muddle the Mixture
1 Crystal Shard
1 Worn Powerstone
1 Vedalken Shackles
1 Fabricate
1 Hinder
1 Forbid
1 Erratic Portal
1 Icy Manipulator
1 Sisay's Ring
1 Ur-Golem's Eye
1 Thran Dynamo
1 Gilded Lotus
1 Citanual Flute
1 Mind's Eye
1 Fervent Denial
1 Tidings
1 Planar Portal
1 Mindslaver
1 Time Stop
1 Capsize
1 Reality Strobe
1 Time Stretch
20 Island
1 Oboro, Palace in the Clouds
1 Seat of the Synod
1 Minamo, School at Water's Edge
1 Faerie Conclave
1 Remote Isle
1 Lonely Sandbar
1 Tolaria West
1 Coral Atoll
1 Terramorphic Expanse
1 Terminal Moraine
1 Terrain Generator
1 Temple of the False god
1 Stalking Stones
1 Mishra's Factory
1 Zoetic Cavern
1 Reliquary Tower
1 Academy Ruins
1 Thawing Glaciers
1 Vesuva
What cards would you cut for Fact or Fiction, Rhystic Study, and Illuminated Folio, if any?
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For what to cut, the deck is fairly solid, so this is personal opinion. Riftwing Cloudskate seems a tad weak for EDH, it bounces, but just doesn't do much. You seem a tad heavy on colorless acceleration, seems like you'd run out of gas. In single player its better, in multiplayer i wouldnt bother with much accel.
Also, what about Evacuation?
EDIT: Is this for single player or multiplayer, because i realize my comments would change a tad if it was single player.
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Yea, I didn't find a spot for Folio either, probably for the same reasons you mentioned. I also didn't like the thought of spells ending up in the graveyard ala FoF with very few ways to bring them back. I do have a Honden of the Seeing Winds in possession to play.
Last card I took out was Aethersnipe and that is cheaper to evoke/bounce continually... but I do like the option to bounce a land, even if it costs 2 more. Realize that between shard, portal, and mastermind that there's many ways to abuse him, Llawan, and Venser's CITP bouncing abilities. However do you think Aethersnipe might be better than Cloudskate? It is hot bouncing a Rav bounce land like Azorious Chancery.
I honestly tap out EVERY turn with this deck, it's quite uncanny. Between bouncing and replaying my dudes, portal and flute, I rarely have wasted mana. But I could see cutting Sisay's Ring... however maybe it's better to cut a colorless producing land? I like Zoetic Cavern due to the amount of morph creatures in the deck and it's invunerability to creature kill, plus it's possible acceleration. Terrain Generator is nice, but rarely necessary (used when drawing mulitple cards a turn like if Azami isn't quickly assassinated). Terminal Moraine can probably be cut... hell, I could run Esper Panorama since it does the same thing for 1 less, but I heard people frown on that. But do you agree that cutting a colorless land would be the choice over an artifact that adds 2 for 1 card? Or is the sussceptability to artifact removal make it not worth the risk? There probably is more artifact removal that land removal being played in EDH.
I had it in at one point and it's good, but Llawan's effect was doing the job (so consistently and cheap too). Do you think I should have Swirl the Mists in the deck? It's kind of counter-productive with Painter's Servant, however it's a way to not need to rely on servant. Hmmm... that's a good card to include! I should give it a try!
I'm usually playing against 1 to 2 players. This is due to the fact that not many people have EDH, but I have 4 decks now and lend them out... however Llawan is truly a ******* deck and so I usually don't lend that out to play a group game and rather play it against other 1v1 *****y generals. It does usually have a good group game matchup with it's ability to lock out games (via pickles and Llawan/Painter's Servant + recurrable counterspells).
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Current deck list:
1 Llawan, Cephalid Empress
Creatures (30):
1 Painter's Servant
1 Vedalken Mastermind
1 Voidmage Prodigy
1 Scarecrone
1 Willbender (morphs cost 3)
1 Voidmage Apprentice
1 Vesuvan Shapeshifter
1 Brine Elemental
1 Trinket Mage
1 Daring Apprentice
1 Nevermaker
1 Fatestitcher
1 Glen Elendra Archmage
1 Archivist
1 Venser Shaper Savant
1 Mulldrifter
1 Body Double
1 Talas Researcher
1 Djinn of Wishes
1 Empress Galina
1 Azami, Lady of Scrolls
1 Teferi Mage of Zhalfir
1 Magus of the Future
1 Duplicant
1 Keiga, the Tide Star
1 Draining Whelk
1 Arcanis the Omnipotent
1 Triskelavus
1 Sphinx Ambassador
1 Tidespout Tyrant
1 Phyrexian Furnace
1 Sol Ring
1 Sensi's Divining Top
1 Ancestral Vision
1 Sapphire Medallion
1 Lightning Greaves
1 Muddle the Mixture
1 Crystal Shard
1 Worn Powerstone
1 Vedalken Shackles
1 Fabricate
1 Hinder
1 Forbid
1 Erratic Portal
1 Sisay's Ring
1 Ur-Golem's Eye
1 Thran Dynamo
1 Gauntlet of Power
1 Gilded Lotus
1 Citanual Flute
1 Mind's Eye
1 Tidings
1 Evacuation
1 Future Sight
1 Planar Portal
1 Mindslaver
1 Time Stop
1 Capsize
1 Reality Strobe
1 Time Stretch
19 Island
1 Oboro, Palace in the Clouds
1 Seat of the Synod
1 Minamo, School at Water's Edge
1 Faerie Conclave
1 Remote Isle
1 Lonely Sandbar
1 Tolaria West
1 Coral Atoll
1 Terramorphic Expanse
1 Terrain Generator
1 Temple of the False god
1 Stalking Stones
1 Mishra's Factory
1 Zoetic Cavern
1 Reliquary Tower
1 Academy Ruins
1 Riptide Laboratory
1 Thawing Glaciers
1 Vesuva
Future Sight and Magus of the Future are WAY too good. Put Evacuation back in (needed it for Portal to find one game as only way out... couldn't find it when it wasn't in the deck ). Talas Researcher gave me another Archivist (WIZARD!). Djinn of Wishes give card advantage and Sphinx Ambassador's finds have NOT been guessed yet!
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You could use Glamerdye or Whim of Volrath in here to help with color hacking.
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That was the suggestion, yes. I'm sorry, I wrote my post in a hurry and didn't have time to elaborate.
But you can also float enough mana to replay Lewan and the servant to re-lock the game from an unfavorable board position.
Roil Elemental and Sphinx of Lost Truths are both pretty good in the mono U decks.