Thirst for Knowledge: Tipping the Lorescales

[Shinjutsei]

This thread is for the discussion of my latest article, Thirst for Knowledge: Tipping the Lorescales. We would be grateful if you would let us know what you think, but please keep your comments on topic.

[pookyrocks]

Wow, great article. Me, being new to the format as well, can see how the coatl is so good in the format with 4x brainstorm.

[RoboticSithDrone]

Hooray for Lorescale Coatl, rewarding people for playing, er, good cards!

I'm getting my feet wet in legacy soon, so this is a very nice article!

[gcmy]

Yeah, I agree completely with the article. There is just too much synergy for the snake to be ignored in Legacy. It works with Brainstorm, sensei's top and force of will(this I like). For god sake, it even works with Vendilion Clique!! haha..

[Arctic_Slicer]

Can we quit calling it Threshold yet? Werebear got eaten by Tarmogoyf a long time ago and Nimble Mongoose is seeing less play. There are no more Mental Notes in these decks anymore because there are no more Threshold creatures to take advantage of the full yard anymore. Seriously it's time to give the deck a new name.

By the way, decent article, but Lorescale Coatl is not going to be the next Tarmogoyf for 3 causes. It's more expensive, It's multicolored, and it trades with rather than answers opposing Lorescale Coatls. Tarmogoyf has become ubiquitous in Legacy for being cheap, easily splashable and the best answer for opposing Tarmogoyfs. Tarmogoyf's affect on Legacy is very similar to how Umezawa's Jitte affected standard. Lorescale Coatl doesn't have the potential to warp the format and will be relegated to small number of decks that can actually take advantage of him.

[aquacadet92]

Great article, we have such similar decklists

[Arc-logger]

I allready tested 4 copies of them in the my last legacy tourny. I got the feeling that people feared him more than tarmo, especially because I was running 4 brainstorm, 4 carefull studies and 2 deep analysis. I didnt win with the deck though, but that was more because it wasnt well constructed and I was missing alot of cards (not to think of it that it was my first legacy tourny).

I played them in madness as some of you might have allready guess, which has good draw engines, but I suspect that they would be very good with countertop which I am undoubtably going to play next time I play these lovely snakes.

The fact that they were blue was amazing. Tutoring with survival to a snake and fowing was not an uncommon sight .

I think ancestral recall will be insane in extended but doubt it in legacy, it might be not fast enough, and you can still counter it. Of course it will resolve after you casted your first coatl so that makes a 9/9 with brainstorm on turn 4. You got to love that. (who needs tarmo)

[bateleur]

Originally Posted by Arctic_Slicer

it trades with rather than answers opposing Lorescale Coatls

This objection doesn't actually make any sense if you think about it. There are two players involved in the game... they can't both prefer not trading to trading!

[Weeksy]

Originally Posted by Arctic_Slicer

Can we quit calling it Threshold yet? Werebear got eaten by Tarmogoyf a long time ago and Nimble Mongoose is seeing less play. There are no more Mental Notes in these decks anymore because there are no more Threshold creatures to take advantage of the full yard anymore. Seriously it's time to give the deck a new name.

Decks evolve. Aggro Loam is no longer aggressive. Some Ichorid lists are cutting the ichorids. Using old names makes things easier to understand when reading old articles. If you want a new name though, I'm a fan of calling it 'Not Quite Gro'.

[Tyler Durden]

The hell? Shin plays Legacy??

With that aside, even though I don't know the format well, this looked to be a pretty in depth article about a new addition to a deck that didn't need any help winning in the first place. Saying that, the information was well presented as always, and it was a good read, even if I don't participate in the format.

Now, how bout you come your Island for a bit and write about my favorite color ?

[.nemesis]

I've tried fitting Lorescale into an Astral Slide deck, along with mulldrifter-tricks and lots of cycling ... growth rate: +5/+5 to +7/+7 per turn. Utilizes Urzas Saga cycling cards, Fluctuator and recursion with Life from the Loam.

This guy is so scary, I hope people get aware of him. Actually, if he sticks to the table more than two turns (which he is as likely to as Tarmogoyf), he eats Goyfs, giant Terravores and other creepy stuff. I've "chumped" a Darksteel Colossus with him, but with no lethal damage to him.

Plus: Blue finally gets offensive combat tricks. Attack with your Countryside crusher? Ok, Brainstorm, block with my 10/10 snake. Sweet.

[JeroenC]

I really think you're overestimating Vendilion Clique in Legacy, but other than that, I loved the article.

[colo]

I'm not convinced it will play that big a role in the format. If there's yet another critter out there that's pretty vanilla, but possibly huge - people will end up packing more creature removal ultimately, if anything happens at all. And removal... well, Legacy got plenty of that.

[Surging Chaos]

Coatl only confirms why Brainstorm is the best card in Legacy.

Now unrestrict it from Vintage!

[depolarization]

I agree...

The Coatl definitely grows better than the druid IMHO

But as mentioned before, the creature kill isn't necessarily the show stopper in legacy. It's threhhold's ability to out-draw & out counter most decks while packing enough removal to deal with those things that get under the counter-balance-top synergy.

I think this guy has the potential to kill faster than tarmagoyf...which is probably what will help it in that deck. 3/3 split?

Though, with the deck you propose, where's the storm-combo breaker? Do you think you can disrupt enough as is? I guess counterbalance/top can stop it...