my group tends to hate out anything i win now stuff. (it isn't frowned upon to play, but once you go off once, you'll never go off again)
heh, I know what you mean. after a few instant-wins you tend to get poured a big glass of haterade.
Also, I like Goblin Bombardment in any deck that has massive numbers of creatures. The extra damage can give you the reach you need to finish people sometimes, or just make a wrath effect a little less devastating.
And where's your Anger my friend? Swarms like to swing ASAP!
The most obvious thing I can see is to replace Elfhame Palace, Arctic Flats, Springjack Pasture, Vesuva and Urza's Factory with the Onslaught fetchlands. From the rest of the manabase, it looks like you should be able to afford those, and with 18 duals and Crucible of Worlds in the deck you really have no excuse not to run them. Actually, what is the point of Crucible of Worlds in the deck as it stands? It doesn't look like you have any cards that interact with it at all. Is your meta just really full of LD?
Edit: I'm a big fan of Last Stand, and it looks pretty fun in a deck with so many duals. However, if you don't have any real need for the Crucible of Worlds, might I suggest Prismatic Omen? It ensure you can play everything in your deck off any lands, and it makes Last Stand much stronger.
Looking at your list again, it looks like you're using a lot of creatures that create tokens. You need to throw in the best two goblins for the job: Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker and Siege-Gang Commander.
Nice! A Sliver Queen deck with absolutely no slivers....I love it
The Queen loves Mana Echoes, but I'm not sure how your group feels about infinite stuff...
Edit:
curse you donald!
I stole your suggestion to me and got caught...
Edit:
For some ( possibly ) useful advice relating to the thread, why no cheap acceleration? Some signets or Talismen would help smooth the mana a bit.
The most obvious thing I can see is to replace Elfhame Palace, Arctic Flats, Springjack Pasture, Vesuva and Urza's Factory with the Onslaught fetchlands. From the rest of the manabase, it looks like you should be able to afford those, and with 18 duals and Crucible of Worlds in the deck you really have no excuse not to run them. Actually, what is the point of Crucible of Worlds in the deck as it stands? It doesn't look like you have any cards that interact with it at all. Is your meta just really full of LD?
Edit: I'm a big fan of Last Stand, and it looks pretty fun in a deck with so many duals. However, if you don't have any real need for the Crucible of Worlds, might I suggest Prismatic Omen? It ensure you can play everything in your deck off any lands, and it makes Last Stand much stronger.
Factory and Pasture produce more tokens. Other than that I totally agree.
Probably go
- Elfhame Palace, - Artic Flats, - Vesuva, - Mountain, -Island
+ the onslaught fetches
Crucible is in, because (my meta) everyone runs Dust Bowl, Strip Mine, Wasteland, Ghost Quarter, and the occasional spell that jack up your lands. Tired of that crap.
Looking at your list again, it looks like you're using a lot of creatures that create tokens. You need to throw in the best two goblins for the job: Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker and Siege-Gang Commander.
Red is the color I least produce with my mana base, lame explaination I know, but that is really all I got. (It is easy to get double red I know)
Edit:
For some ( possibly ) useful advice relating to the thread, why no cheap acceleration? Some signets or Talismen would help smooth the mana a bit.
lolz...."I learned it from watching you!"
and yea, your mana base looks good, but I would add in the 'any color' artifact set starting with:
That's kinda cool, but I don't think he has enough graveyard recursion to make that work - right now he only has Genesis/Eternal Witness (heh, only...)
Current deck list, updated 06-13-2009
1 Sliver Queen
Artifacts
1 Coalition Relic
1 Darksteel Ingot
1 Gilded Lotus
1 Golgari Signet
1 Loxodon Warhammer
1 Orzhov Signet
1 Selesnya Signet
1 Sensei’s Diving Top
1 Skullclamp
Creatures
1 Cloudgoat Ranger
1 Ixidron
1 Meloku the Clouded Mirror
1 Deranged Hermit
1 Eternal Witness
1 Genesis
1 Mirror Entity
1 Rhys the Redeemed
1 Siege-Gang Commander
1 Thelonite Hemit
1 Oona Queen of the Fae
Enchantments
1 Glorious Anthem
1 Humility
1 Leyline of the Meek
1 Mobilization
1 Sacred Mesa
1 Bitterblossom
1 Goblin Bombardment
1 Shared Animosity
1 Doubling Season
1 Gaea's Anthem
1 Necromancer’s Covenant
1 Rise of the Hobgoblins
1 Mirari's Wake
1 Enlightened Tutor
1 Path to Exile
1 Seed Spark
1 Swords to Plowshares
1 Vampiric Tutor
1 Krosan Grip
1 Sprout Swarm
1 Spin Into Myth
1 Artifact Mutation
1 Aura Mutation
Planeswalkers
1 Ajani Goldmane
1 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
1 Garruk Wildspeaker
1 Sarkhan Vol
Sorceries
1 Austere Command
1 Decree of Justice
1 Hour of Reckoning
1 March of Souls
1 Martial Coup
1 Retribution of the Meek
1 Spectral Procession
1 Demonic Tutor
1 Vindicate
1 Death Mutation
1 Maelstrom Pulse
1 Decimate
1 Aether Mutation
1 Conflux
Mana Base
1 Overgrown Tomb
1 Bayou
1 Twilight Mire
1 Sacred Foundry
1 Plateau
1 Rugged Prairie
1 Wooded Bastion
1 Temple Garden
1 Savannah
1 Watery Grave
1 Underground Sea
1 Sunken Ruins
1 Godless Shrine
1 Scrubland
1 Fetid Heath
1 Stomping Grounds
1 Taiga
1 Fire-Lit Thicket
1 Blood Crypt
1 Badlands
1 Graven Cairns
1 Breeding Pool
1 Tropical Island
1 Flooded Grove
1 Hallowed Founatin
1 Tundra
1 Mystic Gate
1 Bloodstained Mire
1 Flooded Strand
1 Polluted Delta
1 Windswept Heath
1 Wooded Foothills
1 Reflecting Pool
1 Exotic Orchard
1 Forest
1 Plains
1 Swamp
1 Springjack Pasture
06-13-2009 Changes
Added:
Humility, Loxodon Warhammer, Mirror Entity, Rhys the Redeemed, Shared Animosity, Spin Into Myth
Cut:
Gilt-Leaf Ambush, Glory of Warfare, Last Stand, Prismatic Omen, Sun Droplet, Violet Pall
06-05-2009 changes
Added:
Coalition Relic, Darksteel Ingot, Gilded Lotus, Golgari Signet, Ohrzov Signet, Selesnya Signet, Eternal Witness, Genesis, Siege-Gang Commander, Goblin Bombardment, Prismatic Omen, Conflux, Bloodstained Mire, Flooded Strand, Polluted Delta, Windswept Heath, Wooded Foothills
Cut:
Crucible of Worlds, Wood Elves, Goblin Trenches, Solar Tide, Beseech the Queen, Desert Twister, Farseek, Hunting Wilds, Nature's Lore, Shard Convergence, Worm Harvest, Elfhame Palace, Arctic Flats, Urza's Factory, Vesuva, Mountain, Island
The Queen loves Mana Echoes, but I'm not sure how your group feels about infinite stuff...
Edit:
curse you donald!
It serves as a kinda-sorta wrath...
my group tends to hate out anything i win now stuff. (it isn't frowned upon to play, but once you go off once, you'll never go off again)
heh, I know what you mean. after a few instant-wins you tend to get poured a big glass of haterade.
Also, I like Goblin Bombardment in any deck that has massive numbers of creatures. The extra damage can give you the reach you need to finish people sometimes, or just make a wrath effect a little less devastating.
And where's your Anger my friend? Swarms like to swing ASAP!
Edit: I'm a big fan of Last Stand, and it looks pretty fun in a deck with so many duals. However, if you don't have any real need for the Crucible of Worlds, might I suggest Prismatic Omen? It ensure you can play everything in your deck off any lands, and it makes Last Stand much stronger.
I stole your suggestion to me and got caught...
Edit:
For some ( possibly ) useful advice relating to the thread, why no cheap acceleration? Some signets or Talismen would help smooth the mana a bit.
Factory and Pasture produce more tokens. Other than that I totally agree.
Probably go
- Elfhame Palace, - Artic Flats, - Vesuva, - Mountain, -Island
+ the onslaught fetches
Crucible is in, because (my meta) everyone runs Dust Bowl, Strip Mine, Wasteland, Ghost Quarter, and the occasional spell that jack up your lands. Tired of that crap.
Red is the color I least produce with my mana base, lame explaination I know, but that is really all I got. (It is easy to get double red I know)
With the land search, I figured I wouldn't need it...
Probably best to add a signets/talismans/relic/ignot package
I'll look at the list today, and fine tune it. Suggestions as to what I should cut would be helpful.
lolz...."I learned it from watching you!"
and yea, your mana base looks good, but I would add in the 'any color' artifact set starting with:
Darksteel Ingot
Coalition Relic
Gilded Lotus
And I have to at least re-recommend Siege-Gang Commander....even if you have already snubbed his best friend
Not snubbed my friend, just gave you the reasoning for not including it. (But with Kiki-Jiki, I only have, currently, six legal targets.)
Still re-working the list currently.
lol....yea, I was only joking because Kiki-Jiki is one of my favorite cards. I was serious about SGC though. How about this?
out:
Spectral Procession
Desert Twister
Last Stand
in:
Siege-Gang Commander
Genesis
Eternal Witness
You're boy is in the updated deck list(in the first post). SCG son!
Edit:
Also, Humility is really good in token decks. Like crazy good.
That's kinda cool, but I don't think he has enough graveyard recursion to make that work - right now he only has Genesis/Eternal Witness (heh, only...)
And Goblin Bombardment doesn't seem as good with the rule changes upcoming...
no more lots of mogg fanatic's