Is a 1/1 for 0 overpowered?

LSK · 08-09-2009, 05:01 PM

Here's the theoretical card:

Minikin - 0
Artifact Creature - Mannequin
1/1

Imagine it were a M10 common, tacked on to the set as-is. Would it break limited formats? Standard? Extended?

It might allow for explosive openings, but that's balanced by its low power.

Jasper · 08-09-2009, 05:17 PM

It being an artifact bothers me at some visceral level. I have no issues with it otherwise.

Could you make it a red cobold? :P

Kobold Hero

(Legendary?) Creature - Kobold (Warrior?)
CARDNAME is red.
1/1

Sigismond0 · 08-09-2009, 08:56 PM

As an artifact, it scares me. Otherwise it would be fine.

Kenaron · 08-09-2009, 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jasper

Kobold Hero

(Legendary?) Creature - Kobold (Warrior?)
CARDNAME is red.
1/1

I did that, it got mixed reviews.

gnosisedge · 08-09-2009, 09:54 PM

I really like it and would make it an auto-include in an Esper deck. But maybe I'd make it nonartifact for it to have any chance of seeing print.

LSK · 08-09-2009, 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kenaron

I did that, it got mixed reviews.

In the half-a-year since, the power level for creatures has shifted in unexpected ways. What can I say?

Kenaron · 08-09-2009, 10:24 PM

Well, you're talking about making it nonlegendary, and given what we've seen recently I don't think a free 1/1 would do much in the long run. It would probably have some kind of drawback text, something that can be easily ignored, but I could certainly see it.

SadisticMystic · 08-10-2009, 12:50 AM

Dryad Arbor seems to be okay.

CasualThor · 08-10-2009, 12:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SadisticMystic

Dryad Arbor seems to be okay.

There's a substantial difference between Dryad Arbor turn one and this, Forest, Llanowar Elves turn one.

That said, I still don't think a non artifact 1/1 for

is busted. Good, yes, but it's something that could easily be printed (probably with a drawback).

rancored_elf · 08-10-2009, 07:09 AM

I designed this 8 years ago

Course, I was called a lunatic then, and I probably was. Oh well.

Edghyatt · 08-10-2009, 07:46 AM

I think the main problem is that you could drop 4 first turn and hit for 4 since turn 2.

Other than that, it could be perfectly printable, if worked around enough.

LSK · 08-10-2009, 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rancored_elf

I designed this 8 years ago

Course, I was called a lunatic then, and I probably was. Oh well.

Again, this card would've been ridiculous in any Standard context up until now, which is why it's so interesting.

MortalShell · 08-10-2009, 08:28 AM

I think that this card would be fine even as an artifact. If a draw back is really called for then give it echo

.

Kenaron · 08-10-2009, 08:47 AM

All it really needs is a clause preventing you from playing multiples in a turn. Say once it hits play you can't cast spells for the rest of the turn. You can still play it and an other creature turn one, but you can't get 4 and a lion to attack for 6 next turn. You also couldn't play it and enchant it on the same turn, as if that would be too strong.

Peperono · 08-10-2009, 02:14 PM

Yes, but what about later game?

Why not "When this card comes into play players can't cast spells this turn, unles any player pays

."

08-09-2009, 05:17 PM	#2
Jasper Ascended Mage Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: The Blind Eternities. Posts: 180	It being an artifact bothers me at some visceral level. I have no issues with it otherwise. Could you make it a red cobold? :P Kobold Hero (Legendary?) Creature - Kobold (Warrior?) CARDNAME is red. 1/1 __________________ Ninjas, robots, zombies and fast-food ninjutsu. Billy vs Snakeman is mad awesome. Try it. Warning: Might contain pirates. Beware.

08-09-2009, 08:56 PM	#3
Sigismond0 Archmage Overlord Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 1,035	As an artifact, it scares me. Otherwise it would be fine. __________________

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rancored_elf change we can imagine Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: peak everything Posts: 9,330	I designed this 8 years ago Course, I was called a lunatic then, and I probably was. Oh well. __________________ "It is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan

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Edghyatt Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: CR Posts: 2,761 Blog Entries: 27	I think the main problem is that you could drop 4 first turn and hit for 4 since turn 2. Other than that, it could be perfectly printable, if worked around enough. __________________ (: I like 4/4s for 7. Trades: Here! (Now International)

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MortalShell Wizard Mentor Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Directly over the center of the earth. Posts: 560 Blog Entries: 2	I think that this card would be fine even as an artifact. If a draw back is really called for then give it echo . __________________ "I am become life, creator of worlds."


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08-09-2009, 09:54 PM	#5
gnosisedge Banned Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 162	I really like it and would make it an auto-include in an Esper deck. But maybe I'd make it nonartifact for it to have any chance of seeing print.

08-09-2009, 10:24 PM	#7
Kenaron Immortal One Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 8,213	Well, you're talking about making it nonlegendary, and given what we've seen recently I don't think a free 1/1 would do much in the long run. It would probably have some kind of drawback text, something that can be easily ignored, but I could certainly see it.

08-10-2009, 12:50 AM	#8
SadisticMystic Ascended Mage Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 164	Dryad Arbor seems to be okay.

08-10-2009, 08:47 AM	#14
Kenaron Immortal One Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 8,213	All it really needs is a clause preventing you from playing multiples in a turn. Say once it hits play you can't cast spells for the rest of the turn. You can still play it and an other creature turn one, but you can't get 4 and a lion to attack for 6 next turn. You also couldn't play it and enchant it on the same turn, as if that would be too strong.

08-10-2009, 02:14 PM	#15
Peperono Ascended Mage Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 210	Yes, but what about later game? Why not "When this card comes into play players can't cast spells this turn, unles any player pays ."

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