Hey! I hope you don't mind, but I'm using this as my skeleton for my first EDH deck. I have a couple questions as far as card omissions though that you may be able to enlighten me on:
Marsh Flats - Maybe you just don't have? Sword of Fire and Ice - You have Light and Shadow, so why not the superior one? Baneslayer Angel - Best beater ever? Decree of Pain - Not sure how slow this format is, but the "Draw a card for each creature destroyed" seems like enough gas to power out one of the combos present in the deck. Decree of Justice - One of the best token producers ever? Able to finish a long game or make fodder at instant speed, either or its win/win.
Sure they'll be more as I continue to look through and build the deck.
I used to be an advocate for the Baneslayer, but the thing is that she never really contributed to my overall strategy. She's a solid creature, but by no means essential. For a recursion-friendly color combo like B/W, there are more potent flying beaters out there like Yosei, the Morning Star (who should definitely be in there). The other suggestions are pro, though.
A few other cards I run in my Teysa build, as food for thought:
Mini-rant: I tried running Sorin Markov, but I had to take him out. I felt like a jackass whenever I played him. Sorin just drops and knocks like 15-30 life off your target, for 6 mana. That's just rude. Once you do that to a person everyone else at the table is going to gun for you. Don't get me wrong, he's brutally efficient...just keep in mind the political implications of playing him.
If you're running Crucible of Worlds it's probably not a bad idea to run a fetchland based mana base with a less basics and more fetches. Since you'd be going down on basics it'd also make sense to cut Thawing Glaciers. Also I don't see a Strip Mine, further abuses of Crucible of Worlds. Beyond that the list looks very solid. It also might not be a bad idea to throw in an Iona, since you have many ways of reanimating it and you naturally work well with Painter's Servant, as well as cards like Shred Memory that do double duty of hosing graveyards and fetching Painter's Servant.
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Hey! I hope you don't mind, but I'm using this as my skeleton for my first EDH deck. I have a couple questions as far as card omissions though that you may be able to enlighten me on:
Marsh Flats - Maybe you just don't have? Sword of Fire and Ice - You have Light and Shadow, so why not the superior one? Baneslayer Angel - Best beater ever? Decree of Pain - Not sure how slow this format is, but the "Draw a card for each creature destroyed" seems like enough gas to power out one of the combos present in the deck. Decree of Justice - One of the best token producers ever? Able to finish a long game or make fodder at instant speed, either or its win/win.
Sure they'll be more as I continue to look through and build the deck.
First off, thanks! Glad to be an inspiration for a deck someone else is putting together!
I have a Marsh Flats in there, didn't have a spare when I originally threw this together.
I don't really have a spare sword of fire and ice, the one I have is in my Wort, Boggart Auntie Deck >< It would definitely be in there if I had a second, it's on the list to get for sure.
However, given how the deck operates, light and shadow typically "better" as the recursion effect is really important with how this deck operates. Getting back those token generators or annoying, effective creatures is very important.
Baneslayer - I play a lot of type 2, so that takes up 4 and I'd really rather try to trade/sell my 5th. It also doesn't do a lot to help the deck outside gain some life and draw a bunch of hate...
I don't like decree of justice for the mana cost. That's sort of how it works out. Ideally, if I am being a jerk, I win before I can really make a significant number of angels. I don't really care what kind of tokens I am making, I just need to get 3 or 4 and then I don't really care. All of the other token producers are either cheaper, stay on the board indefinitely, or have a side advantage (cough, twilight drover + lox = fun...)
I used to be an advocate for the Baneslayer, but the thing is that she never really contributed to my overall strategy. She's a solid creature, but by no means essential. For a recursion-friendly color combo like B/W, there are more potent flying beaters out there like Yosei, the Morning Star (who should definitely be in there). The other suggestions are pro, though.
A few other cards I run in my Teysa build, as food for thought:
Mini-rant: I tried running Sorin Markov, but I had to take him out. I felt like a jackass whenever I played him. Sorin just drops and knocks like 15-30 life off your target, for 6 mana. That's just rude. Once you do that to a person everyone else at the table is going to gun for you. Don't get me wrong, he's brutally efficient...just keep in mind the political implications of playing him.
Yeah, Yosei's in there, I had to get a second one, other is in my Sisay Build.
I am avoiding Luminarch Ascension because if I play the spell, I will be insta-gibbed. If this deck was 1v1 it would be another matter.
Kor Haven Yeah, I've got on in my captain sisay deck, completely spaced. It's in there now.
Story Circle could be fun...but the problem with the "combo" is if I have painter's servant or darkest hour out, I am winning that turn, period. Might still be useful though! Need to play around with it for sure.
Martial Coup I'm not really a huge fan of for the same reason I don't like Decree of Justice, and the mana cost is a bit much for what it does for me.
Sorin Markov is a dick move, but I don't usually play him unless it gets me table points. I'll often use him on someone that's at 500 life or something like that to make everyone at the table love me. But yeah, very not cool if you use it certain ways.
If you're running Crucible of Worlds it's probably not a bad idea to run a fetchland based mana base with a less basics and more fetches. Since you'd be going down on basics it'd also make sense to cut Thawing Glaciers. Also I don't see a Strip Mine, further abuses of Crucible of Worlds. Beyond that the list looks very solid. It also might not be a bad idea to throw in an Iona, since you have many ways of reanimating it and you naturally work well with Painter's Servant, as well as cards like Shred Memory that do double duty of hosing graveyards and fetching Painter's Servant.
Thanks! Might have to go ahead and try to waste a bunch of money on the fetches, I was thinking the same thing as you. Strip Mine and Wasteland are in the list. I'm gradually working on getting the older fetches. Regardless I need to be careful not to distort the mana base or I'll have a rough time with Emeria or Cabal coffers will be worthless without urborg in play.
Thawing Glaciers is there not just for land grab, but I am also trying to get shuffle effects in the deck to dig for combo pieces. However, yes, it might not be the best thing.
Shred Memory definitely seems pretty solid...might have to make space.
FYI, stuff I am considering for "removal" Shaman En-Kor is a fun redirecting hoser, but I'm not sure it really does a whole lot in terms of driving the deck. Auriok Champion is also questionable here.
Ah, I'm still getting used to the whole political aspect and not being overly agressive. I think what I want to implement is a mod package for the deck. Basically have the skeleton of the deck, which is good in either 1v1 or multi, then add in each "mod" deck based on which I'm playing. This will hopefully allow me to have two different versions of the deck that will excel at single and multi respectively. Also, why Spoils of the Vault? I understand that if you get 4 tokens out the game swings HEAVILY in your favor and will most likely result in a win, but with a 100 card deck I feel you will probably kill yourself before finding the card. Unless I'm being retarded of course and don't see something lol.
EDIT: Also, why Conspiracy? I see it has some synergy with Cloudgoat Ranger, Skeletal Vampire, Mobilization and Rotlung Reanimator, but it doesn't seem to have a purpose as far as the main goal of the deck is concerned. I feel there may be other spells around the same cost that could prove more beneficial.
Ah, I'm still getting used to the whole political aspect and not being overly agressive. I think what I want to implement is a mod package for the deck. Basically have the skeleton of the deck, which is good in either 1v1 or multi, then add in each "mod" deck based on which I'm playing. This will hopefully allow me to have two different versions of the deck that will excel at single and multi respectively. Also, why Spoils of the Vault? I understand that if you get 4 tokens out the game swings HEAVILY in your favor and will most likely result in a win, but with a 100 card deck I feel you will probably kill yourself before finding the card. Unless I'm being retarded of course and don't see something lol.
EDIT: Also, why Conspiracy? I see it has some synergy with Cloudgoat Ranger, Skeletal Vampire, Mobilization and Rotlung Reanimator, but it doesn't seem to have a purpose as far as the main goal of the deck is concerned. I feel there may be other spells around the same cost that could prove more beneficial.
Conspiracy actually does have a purpose with the main theme. Most of the deck is build around a combo with Teysa, Orzhov Scion. However, this allows you to combo out without Teysa. Use Conspiracy and Rotlung Reanimator along with the combo finishers - Fallen angel, phyrexian altar, altar of dementia and then you're still good to finish the game. It's here because I need some subtle ways to slip in the finisher. It's also no hivestone, but turning every creature into vindicate on a stick is solid.
So that card is in there for redundancy. If I don't use conspiracy, rotlung reanimator isn't worth a spot in the deck.
spoils is for humor value - it's coming out for STP, iona, fire and ice, or shred memory. Eh, I'll just put shred memory in now and get it over with
Since your playing B/W, I think most players will be afraid of the Wrath/Damnation/DoJ/etc that you could throw. So this might buy you enough time to drop Storm Herd (which combos nicely with Teysa). By turn 7-8 you should still be around 30+ life.
I just reread your OP and you aren't playing Wrath/DoJ/DoP...why? Great reset cards. If you are playing Crucible, might as well through in Armageddon.
Since your playing B/W, I think most players will be afraid of the Wrath/Damnation/DoJ/etc that you could throw. So this might buy you enough time to drop Storm Herd (which combos nicely with Teysa). By turn 7-8 you should still be around 30+ life.
I just reread your OP and you aren't playing Wrath/DoJ/DoP...why? Great reset cards. If you are playing Crucible, might as well through in Armageddon.
Retribution of the meek saves all of my tokens along with teysa. False prophet and a sac outlet lets me RFG the board at isntant speed. Damnation is a functional wrath/doj - just for 2BB, and the last two letting me draw gobs of cards. Might be too expensive, but thus far, things have been fine.
it doesnt shut it down, it makes it awesome as the tokens she creates are both white AND black
Unlike Painter's Servant, which said they are "the chosen color in addition to their other colors," Darkest Hour merely offers a replacement effect - all creatures are black. Period. Not black and their other colors. Just black. Combo turns to bombo if you needed to use her white sac ability. Altar of Dementia still combos with Darkest Hour, though.
I recommend adding Nether Traitor. Comboed with Teysa and Phyrexian Altar, it can produce infinite mana. Mix in Extractor Demon, and you've just milled all of your opponents. You're already running three of the four cards, might as well add Traitor.
Any comments or suggestions would be appreciated.
1 Teysa, Orzhov Scion
Creatures
2 Twilight Drover
3 Cloudgoat Ranger
4 Skeletal Vampire
5 Endrek Shar, Master Breeder
6 Fallen Angel
7 Stonecloaker
8 Yosei, the Morning Star
9 Extractor Demon
10 Rotlung Reanimator
11 Reveillark
12 Karmic Guide
13 Academy Rector
14 Nezumi Graverobber
15 Divinity of Pride
16 Angel of Despair
17 Auriok Champion
18 Eight-and-a-half-tails
19 Withered Wretch
20 Weathered Wayfarer
21 False Prophet
22 Necrotic Sliver
23 Ink-Eyes, Servant of the Oni
24 Iona, Shield of Emeria
Artifacts, Equipment
25 Umezawa's Jitte
26 Skullclamp
27 Loxodon Warhammer
28 Sword of Light and Shadow
29 Crucible of Worlds
30 Sol Ring
31 Mana Crypt
32 Orzhov Signet
33 Phyrexian Altar
34 Altar of Dementia
35 Sensei's Divining Top
36 Scroll Rack
37 Land Tax
38 Bitterblossom
39 Mobilization
40 Darkest Hour
41 Necropotence
42 Grave Pact
43 Debtors' Knell
44 Contamination
45 Conspiracy
Sorceries
46 Conqueror's Pledge
47 Decree of Pain
48 Demonic Tutor
49 Idyllic Tutor
50 Vindicate
51 Damnation
52 Retribution of the Meek
53 Overwhelming Forces
54 Profane Command
55 Steelshaper's Gift
56 Death Grasp
57 Spectral Procession
58 Shred Memory
Instants
59 Vampiric Tutor
60 Enlightened Tutor
61 Path to Exile
62 Mortify
Planeswalkers
63 Liliana Vess
64 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
65 Sorin Markov
66 Kjeldoran Outpost
67 Springjack Pasture
68 Volrath's Stronghold
69 Vesuva
70 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
71 Fetid Heath
72 Cabal Coffers
73 Strip Mine
74 Emeria, the Sky Ruin
75 Flagstones of Trokair
76 Mistveil Plains
77 Wasteland
78 Thawing Glaciers
79 Godless Shrine
80 Scrubland
81 Marsh Flats
82 Kor Haven
Potential Cards to add/consider
Whitemane Lion
Stonecloaker
Knight-Captain of Eos Combo with Darien, King of Kjeldor
Sword of Fire and Ice
Any additional fetch lands with W or B.
Story Circle
Trade/Sell me your Demonic Attorney!
Marsh Flats - Maybe you just don't have?
Sword of Fire and Ice - You have Light and Shadow, so why not the superior one?
Baneslayer Angel - Best beater ever?
Decree of Pain - Not sure how slow this format is, but the "Draw a card for each creature destroyed" seems like enough gas to power out one of the combos present in the deck.
Decree of Justice - One of the best token producers ever? Able to finish a long game or make fodder at instant speed, either or its win/win.
Sure they'll be more as I continue to look through and build the deck.
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I used to be an advocate for the Baneslayer, but the thing is that she never really contributed to my overall strategy. She's a solid creature, but by no means essential. For a recursion-friendly color combo like B/W, there are more potent flying beaters out there like Yosei, the Morning Star (who should definitely be in there). The other suggestions are pro, though.
A few other cards I run in my Teysa build, as food for thought:
Emeria Angel
Kor Haven
Luminarch Ascension
Martial Coup
Phyrexian Plaguelord
Story Circle (plays well with Painter's Servant)
Mini-rant: I tried running Sorin Markov, but I had to take him out. I felt like a jackass whenever I played him. Sorin just drops and knocks like 15-30 life off your target, for 6 mana. That's just rude. Once you do that to a person everyone else at the table is going to gun for you. Don't get me wrong, he's brutally efficient...just keep in mind the political implications of playing him.
First off, thanks! Glad to be an inspiration for a deck someone else is putting together!
I have a Marsh Flats in there, didn't have a spare when I originally threw this together.
I don't really have a spare sword of fire and ice, the one I have is in my Wort, Boggart Auntie Deck >< It would definitely be in there if I had a second, it's on the list to get for sure.
However, given how the deck operates, light and shadow typically "better" as the recursion effect is really important with how this deck operates. Getting back those token generators or annoying, effective creatures is very important.
Baneslayer - I play a lot of type 2, so that takes up 4 and I'd really rather try to trade/sell my 5th. It also doesn't do a lot to help the deck outside gain some life and draw a bunch of hate...
Decree of Pain is in there as well.
I don't like decree of justice for the mana cost. That's sort of how it works out. Ideally, if I am being a jerk, I win before I can really make a significant number of angels. I don't really care what kind of tokens I am making, I just need to get 3 or 4 and then I don't really care. All of the other token producers are either cheaper, stay on the board indefinitely, or have a side advantage (cough, twilight drover + lox = fun...)
Yeah, Yosei's in there, I had to get a second one, other is in my Sisay Build.
I am avoiding Luminarch Ascension because if I play the spell, I will be insta-gibbed. If this deck was 1v1 it would be another matter.
Kor Haven
Story Circle could be fun...but the problem with the "combo" is if I have painter's servant or darkest hour out, I am winning that turn, period. Might still be useful though! Need to play around with it for sure.
Martial Coup I'm not really a huge fan of for the same reason I don't like Decree of Justice, and the mana cost is a bit much for what it does for me.
Sorin Markov is a dick move, but I don't usually play him unless it gets me table points. I'll often use him on someone that's at 500 life or something like that to make everyone at the table love me. But yeah, very not cool if you use it certain ways.
Thanks! Might have to go ahead and try to waste a bunch of money on the fetches, I was thinking the same thing as you. Strip Mine and Wasteland are in the list. I'm gradually working on getting the older fetches. Regardless I need to be careful not to distort the mana base or I'll have a rough time with Emeria or Cabal coffers will be worthless without urborg in play.
Thawing Glaciers is there not just for land grab, but I am also trying to get shuffle effects in the deck to dig for combo pieces. However, yes, it might not be the best thing.
Shred Memory definitely seems pretty solid...might have to make space.
FYI, stuff I am considering for "removal"
Shaman En-Kor is a fun redirecting hoser, but I'm not sure it really does a whole lot in terms of driving the deck. Auriok Champion is also questionable here.
Stuff I'm working on fitting in, maybe.
Fetch lands
Condemn
Sword of Fire and Ice
Iona might be fun!
Trade/Sell me your Demonic Attorney!
EDIT: Also, why Conspiracy? I see it has some synergy with Cloudgoat Ranger, Skeletal Vampire, Mobilization and Rotlung Reanimator, but it doesn't seem to have a purpose as far as the main goal of the deck is concerned. I feel there may be other spells around the same cost that could prove more beneficial.
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Conspiracy actually does have a purpose with the main theme. Most of the deck is build around a combo with Teysa, Orzhov Scion. However, this allows you to combo out without Teysa. Use Conspiracy and Rotlung Reanimator along with the combo finishers - Fallen angel, phyrexian altar, altar of dementia and then you're still good to finish the game. It's here because I need some subtle ways to slip in the finisher. It's also no hivestone, but turning every creature into vindicate on a stick is solid.
So that card is in there for redundancy. If I don't use conspiracy, rotlung reanimator isn't worth a spot in the deck.
spoils is for humor value - it's coming out for STP, iona, fire and ice, or shred memory. Eh, I'll just put shred memory in now and get it over with
Trade/Sell me your Demonic Attorney!
I just reread your OP and you aren't playing Wrath/DoJ/DoP...why? Great reset cards. If you are playing Crucible, might as well through in Armageddon.
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showthread.php?t=519290
Well, I've got retribution of the meek, false prophet, damnation, decree of pain, and overwhelming forces for mass sweepers.
Retribution of the meek saves all of my tokens along with teysa. False prophet and a sac outlet lets me RFG the board at isntant speed. Damnation is a functional wrath/doj - just for 2BB, and the last two letting me draw gobs of cards. Might be too expensive, but thus far, things have been fine.
Trade/Sell me your Demonic Attorney!
Combo still works, just now the only option is darkest hour
Trade/Sell me your Demonic Attorney!
Which combo? I don't like Darkest Hour myself and didn't put it in my Teysa deck because it shuts down her sac ability.
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it doesnt shut it down, it makes it awesome as the tokens she creates are both white AND black
Unlike Painter's Servant, which said they are "the chosen color in addition to their other colors," Darkest Hour merely offers a replacement effect - all creatures are black. Period. Not black and their other colors. Just black. Combo turns to bombo if you needed to use her white sac ability. Altar of Dementia still combos with Darkest Hour, though.
I recommend adding Nether Traitor. Comboed with Teysa and Phyrexian Altar, it can produce infinite mana. Mix in Extractor Demon, and you've just milled all of your opponents. You're already running three of the four cards, might as well add Traitor.
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