[450][Powered] wtwlf123's Cube

wtwlf123 · 11-06-2009, 03:18 PM

Here's all the basic information for The Cube:

Here's a link to my articles relating to The Cube:

Here's a list of the contents of The Cube:

wtwlf123 · 11-06-2009, 03:18 PM

Here's a list of all the changes to The Cube:

wtwlf123 · 11-06-2009, 03:19 PM

Here's some commonly requested notes about specific cards:

Here's all the information about my basic lands:

I have 32 basic lands of each type sleeved up and ready for use each draft.

I use one of every single promo land available (21 lands), all the full-art land available (6 lands) and fill in the rest with my favorite non-promo basic lands of all time (5 lands).

Here's a list of the lands I use:

Basic Land List:

Basic Land Pictures:

Here's my Star Wars Cube:

wtwlf123 · 11-06-2009, 03:19 PM

Here's my Anachronism Cube:

Here's my Lord of the Rings Cube:

Aznopium · 11-06-2009, 03:21 PM

ooo.
exciting~. Time to review to see what you would run...

DerBK · 11-06-2009, 03:25 PM

What a shame.

I liked howq you had those two cubes separated.

Also, there goes oyur 100% pimped cube

iceage4life · 11-06-2009, 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DerBK

What a shame.

I liked howq you had those two cubes separated.

Also, there goes oyur 100% pimped cube

Cutting altered cards I find to be the hardest thing

magicmerl · 11-06-2009, 06:35 PM

Ronom Unicorn?
Condescend?
Sarcomancy?
Ink-Eyes?
Grafted Wargear?

Aznopium · 11-06-2009, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by magicmerl

Ronom Unicorn?
Condescend?
Sarcomancy?
Ink-Eyes?
Grafted Wargear?

Kami of the Ancient Law in, so that is an equivalent to Ronom.
Sarcomancyin as well, just under "spells" vs. "creatures"

The other three is are arguable IMHO for or against vs. some other choices.

magicmerl · 11-06-2009, 06:58 PM

Sorry for missing sarcomancy. Why not run the unicorn as well? The cube has lions and vanguard, and isn't avoiding functional reprints.

wtwlf123 · 11-06-2009, 07:19 PM

Well, the Kami duplicate isn't an effect I felt like I need more than one of. I need both the Lion and the Vanguard... but I don't feel I need both of the enchantment kill dudes.

Condensed was actually the last blue spell not to make the cut. Blue is tighter than a frog's ass right now... don't know what I could pull for that wonderful counter... but I'm always open for suggestions!

Ink Eyes may go in over Thrashing Wumpus... but I don't really see anything else I can cut for her. Plus, Wumpus has been monstrous for us. Better than Ink Eyes, actually.

You're 100% right... Grafted Wargear should go in over another artifact, I think. Suggestions for what to replace for it?

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Originally Posted by iceage4life

Cutting altered cards I find to be the hardest thing

Dude... tell me about it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DerBK

What a shame.

I liked how you had those two cubes separated.

Also, there goes oyur 100% pimped cube

Sorry to let you down, lol.

I made those two themed cubes to supplement the cube-drafting we were doing with the "normal" cube. Now that that other cube is gone... I had to build one.

Don't worry... this new cube is like 95% pimped right now, and after selling all the tons of extra pimped-ass stuff I took out of these two cubes, it'll be 100% pimped in no time.

..........

I was thinking -5 artifacts and +5 Vivid Lands.

Suggestions on what 5 artifacts can come out?

Thanks all.

eidolon232 · 11-06-2009, 07:44 PM

White Knight: I don't run him in my list, but he has his
justification as a powerful card from the early years of magic
Pianna, Nomad Captain: significantly worse than Soltari Champion + the missing evasion makes her a 1 time attacker

What I am missing is Scepter of Dominance, which you should take a look at since you seem to like Ring of Gix.

Waterfront Bouncer: never liked it too much , even if it works great with/ against reanimation. Maybe Riftwing Cloudscate in this slot, since it isn't card disadvantage?
Arcane Denial: Either love it or hate it. I count myself to the later faction and would rather like to see Exclude in, but In a full powered cube it might me necessary to have more answers to all spells and early counters (Force Spike/ Mana Tithe).
Boomerang: what are you thinking about Into the Roil instead? Sure you don't get to bounce lands (which is nice in combination with Isochron Scepter), but it is easier to cast + you have the option to cantrip.

Wake Thrasher: It is very common that he connects for 10+ damage in a single hit, which is awesome for a blue 3 drop without drawback.
Clone: I have a bit of a exceptionally love for this cards and all the similar variants. If you want to run only one of those, I would say the best one is Vesuvan Shapeshifter and the most fun version has to be Rites of Replication (kicked).
Frantic Search -> Compulsive Research: for me the card advantage is just more important than the tempo.

Undead Gladiator: could make room for Graveborn Muse or Ink Eye
Stupor: since it is one of the "strictly worse" cards, you could fill the slot with a second mass removal
Did you leave out Innocent Blood on intention?

Kird Ape: Sure you want to count him as a red card?
Hearth Kami->Smash to Smithereens: even there is a chance that it ends up being a dead card, I rank the 3 damage, mana efficiency + surprise factor over a 2/1 body (especially after m10)
@Ball Lightning: Has it ever been played outside of a mono deck?
@Volcanic Hammer: would you recommend it for a cube with only 400 cards, since it is strictly worse than a lot other burn spells?

What do you think of Jungle Lion or Scute Mob in green?
Is Basking Rootwalla still good enough?
Albino Troll's regeneration part doesn't get relevant before turn 4, since it's echo cost binds all that mana. Turn 2 3/3 is good, but good enough to skip your 3drop?
Caller of the Claw: Do you think , that the unique effect and the potential of doing something sick makes the card better than the consistent card advantage of Civic Wayfinder?
I haven't cubed with Spike Weaver, yet, but is he worth being played over Briarhorn?
@spells: Such a low spell count in green? I was thinking of maybe Farseek, Harmonize and Rude Awakening(over Hurricane)

Metalworker: How much mana does he usually tap for?
Grafted Wargear: pretty sick equipment.

The Armadillo Cloak surprises a bit. Do you think it is better than Behemoth Sledge?

All in all it looks like a very thought-out list, that gave me some ideas what I could change on mine.

xfollowthereaperx · 11-06-2009, 08:02 PM

Crater Hellion is really cool and a great control card for red though I hate echo. Never seen it before. Anyone else suggest or object to it?

Ronom Unicorn > Kami of Ancient Law because unicorns > spirits.

Personally I just put Basking Rootwalla in my cube and playing for the madness, although usually useless was actually really satisfying. I probably will take it out in the near future but I'm going to give it some more time in the box. Yes I actually got to play him for the madness too.

wtwlf123 · 11-06-2009, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eidolon232

White Knight: I don't run him in my list, but he has his
justification as a powerful card from the early years of magic
Pianna, Nomad Captain: significantly worse than Soltari Champion + the missing evasion makes her a 1 time attacker

What I am missing is Scepter of Dominance, which you should take a look at since you seem to like Ring of Gix.

Waterfront Bouncer: never liked it too much , even if it works great with/ against reanimation. Maybe Riftwing Cloudscate in this slot, since it isn't card disadvantage?
Arcane Denial: Either love it or hate it. I count myself to the later faction and would rather like to see Exclude in, but In a full powered cube it might me necessary to have more answers to all spells and early counters (Force Spike/ Mana Tithe).
Boomerang: what are you thinking about Into the Roil instead? Sure you don't get to bounce lands (which is nice in combination with Isochron Scepter), but it is easier to cast + you have the option to cantrip.

Wake Thrasher: It is very common that he connects for 10+ damage in a single hit, which is awesome for a blue 3 drop without drawback.
Clone: I have a bit of a exceptionally love for this cards and all the similar variants. If you want to run only one of those, I would say the best one is Vesuvan Shapeshifter and the most fun version has to be Rites of Replication (kicked).
Frantic Search -> Compulsive Research: for me the card advantage is just more important than the tempo.

Undead Gladiator: could make room for Graveborn Muse or Ink Eye
Stupor: since it is one of the "strictly worse" cards, you could fill the slot with a second mass removal
Did you leave out Innocent Blood on intention?

Kird Ape: Sure you want to count him as a red card?
Hearth Kami->Smash to Smithereens: even there is a chance that it ends up being a dead card, I rank the 3 damage, mana efficiency + surprise factor over a 2/1 body (especially after m10)
@Ball Lightning: Has it ever been played outside of a mono deck?
@Volcanic Hammer: would you recommend it for a cube with only 400 cards, since it is strictly worse than a lot other burn spells?

What do you think of Jungle Lion or Scute Mob in green?
Is Basking Rootwalla still good enough?
Albino Troll's regeneration part doesn't get relevant before turn 4, since it's echo cost binds all that mana. Turn 2 3/3 is good, but good enough to skip your 3drop?
Caller of the Claw: Do you think , that the unique effect and the potential of doing something sick makes the card better than the consistent card advantage of Civic Wayfinder?
I haven't cubed with Spike Weaver, yet, but is he worth being played over Briarhorn?
@spells: Such a low spell count in green? I was thinking of maybe Farseek, Harmonize and Rude Awakening(over Hurricane)

Metalworker: How much mana does he usually tap for?
Grafted Wargear: pretty sick equipment.

The Armadillo Cloak surprises a bit. Do you think it is better than Behemoth Sledge?

All in all it looks like a very thought-out list, that gave me some ideas what I could change on mine.

White Knight has been great, and Pianna is worse than Champion... but I just run both.

Scepter of Dominance may go in over Arrest... but I think Ring of Gix is certainly better than the Scepter.

Waterfront Bouncer has been an absolute house. He's NOT coming out.

I prefer Boomerang because it can bounce lands.

Arcane Denial is amazing, and it's not going anywhere.

I don't like Wake Thrasher or Clone effects. I've found them both to be below average. Especially in blue, which has NO room.

I prefer Search to Research. Inatsnt speed + free spell makes it worth it, IMO.

I've always counted Kird Ape as red.

I prefer the creature to the instant on artifact destruction.

Ball lightning can go in R/x to without too much trouble. I like it, plus it's kind of a pet card.

Stupor isn't a "strictly worse" card at all. Only having one black in its cost is great.

I've had great success with Undead Gladiator. Plus, I don't want to remove a 3-Drop for a 6-Drop.

Graveborn Muse and Innocent Blood are two cards I was trying to find room for, but was struggling a bit.

Volcanic Hammer is great for a cube of any size. There are only a few cards that are "strictly" better than it is, and all of those are in already. 3 damage for 1R to any target makes the cut.

I don't like Scute Mob. I'd use Jungle Lion if I was running Portal Cards.

Yes, Rootwalla is still good enough.

Albino Troll has been fantastic. Don't have any plans on cutting him any time soon.

Yes, Caller of the Claw is better than Civic Wayfinder. In my experience, he's been one of the best green 3-drops printed when it comes to cube-value.

I love Spike Weaver. I do like him more than Briarhorn (a card that never worked well for our playgroup... in any of our cubes).

Green wants creatures, not spells. I'd rather run much less spells and lots more creatures in that color. ...and I don't like Rude Awakening.

In an artifact based Deck, Metalworker is a house-and-a-half.

Grafted Wargear is a card I want in. Probably going to cut Forcefield or something.

Yes, I like Cloak better than Sledge. Less mana investment and much, much faster. When you're strapping ot to a creature your opponent will struggle to remove, you'll get a lot more for your money. Plus, it's kind of a pet card too.

Glad you like the list.

iceage4life · 11-06-2009, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by wtwlf123

I love Spike Weaver. I do like him more than Briarhorn (a card that never worked well for our playgroup... in any of our cubes).

Green wants creatures, not spells. I'd rather run much less spells and lots more creatures in that color. ...and I don't like Rude Awakening.

Grafted Wargear is a card I want in. Probably going to cut Forcefield or something.

On these cards I'd like to comment. I'd give Briarhorn another shot as personally he has been great. He is a green creature that usually more than pulls his weight in my experience.

I think Rude Awakening is great but you don't seem to have much of a ramp theme in green so I can see it lacking a home.

Grafted Wargear is one of the top cards I look for when drafting an aggro deck.

11-06-2009, 03:19 PM	#3
wtwlf123 Cube Enthusiast Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 27,443	Here's some commonly requested notes about specific cards: Here's all the information about my basic lands: Here's my Star Wars Cube: __________________ My 450 Card Powered Cube My Article - "Cube Design Philosophy" My Store - Lots of pimped Cube & EDH cards for sale! My Set (P)review #5 - Discusses my top 20 Cube cards from DGM! Last edited by wtwlf123; 04-02-2013 at 07:03 PM.
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wtwlf123 Cube Enthusiast Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 27,443	Here's my Anachronism Cube: Here's my Lord of the Rings Cube: __________________ My 450 Card Powered Cube My Article - "Cube Design Philosophy" My Store - Lots of pimped Cube & EDH cards for sale! My Set (P)review #5 - Discusses my top 20 Cube cards from DGM! Last edited by wtwlf123; 06-27-2012 at 02:14 PM.
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11-06-2009, 03:21 PM	#5
Aznopium Archmage Overlord Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 1,231	ooo. exciting~. Time to review to see what you would run... __________________ Opm's Cube Opm's Buy List
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11-06-2009, 03:25 PM	#6
DerBK I Force Spike'd Progenitus Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 5,367	What a shame. I liked howq you had those two cubes separated. Also, there goes oyur 100% pimped cube __________________ Well, that was weird... with three exclamation points.
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11-06-2009, 06:35 PM	#8
magicmerl Immortal One Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 6,759	Ronom Unicorn? Condescend? Sarcomancy? Ink-Eyes? Grafted Wargear? __________________ magicmerls ~440 card powered cube, 180 card Winston stack, guild precons and girly pics Std GW Midrange
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11-06-2009, 06:58 PM	#10
magicmerl Immortal One Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 6,759	Sorry for missing sarcomancy. Why not run the unicorn as well? The cube has lions and vanguard, and isn't avoiding functional reprints. __________________ magicmerls ~440 card powered cube, 180 card Winston stack, guild precons and girly pics Std GW Midrange
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11-06-2009, 07:44 PM	#12
eidolon232 Rules Advisor Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Bavaria Posts: 12,098	White Knight: I don't run him in my list, but he has his justification as a powerful card from the early years of magic Pianna, Nomad Captain: significantly worse than Soltari Champion + the missing evasion makes her a 1 time attacker What I am missing is Scepter of Dominance, which you should take a look at since you seem to like Ring of Gix. Waterfront Bouncer: never liked it too much , even if it works great with/ against reanimation. Maybe Riftwing Cloudscate in this slot, since it isn't card disadvantage? Arcane Denial: Either love it or hate it. I count myself to the later faction and would rather like to see Exclude in, but In a full powered cube it might me necessary to have more answers to all spells and early counters (Force Spike/ Mana Tithe). Boomerang: what are you thinking about Into the Roil instead? Sure you don't get to bounce lands (which is nice in combination with Isochron Scepter), but it is easier to cast + you have the option to cantrip. Wake Thrasher: It is very common that he connects for 10+ damage in a single hit, which is awesome for a blue 3 drop without drawback. Clone: I have a bit of a exceptionally love for this cards and all the similar variants. If you want to run only one of those, I would say the best one is Vesuvan Shapeshifter and the most fun version has to be Rites of Replication (kicked). Frantic Search -> Compulsive Research: for me the card advantage is just more important than the tempo. Undead Gladiator: could make room for Graveborn Muse or Ink Eye Stupor: since it is one of the "strictly worse" cards, you could fill the slot with a second mass removal Did you leave out Innocent Blood on intention? Kird Ape: Sure you want to count him as a red card? Hearth Kami->Smash to Smithereens: even there is a chance that it ends up being a dead card, I rank the 3 damage, mana efficiency + surprise factor over a 2/1 body (especially after m10) @Ball Lightning: Has it ever been played outside of a mono deck? @Volcanic Hammer: would you recommend it for a cube with only 400 cards, since it is strictly worse than a lot other burn spells? What do you think of Jungle Lion or Scute Mob in green? Is Basking Rootwalla still good enough? Albino Troll's regeneration part doesn't get relevant before turn 4, since it's echo cost binds all that mana. Turn 2 3/3 is good, but good enough to skip your 3drop? Caller of the Claw: Do you think , that the unique effect and the potential of doing something sick makes the card better than the consistent card advantage of Civic Wayfinder? I haven't cubed with Spike Weaver, yet, but is he worth being played over Briarhorn? @spells: Such a low spell count in green? I was thinking of maybe Farseek, Harmonize and Rude Awakening(over Hurricane) Metalworker: How much mana does he usually tap for? Grafted Wargear: pretty sick equipment. The Armadillo Cloak surprises a bit. Do you think it is better than Behemoth Sledge? All in all it looks like a very thought-out list, that gave me some ideas what I could change on mine. __________________ eidolon232's cube: 450 cards, unpowered - including DGM Post your cube list \|\| Help me analyze them cube comparison \|\| sort your cube + show curves \|\| functional information tool \|\| free drafting \|\| Rollover card pictures Problems loading the cube comparison thread? - Try this instead
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11-06-2009, 08:02 PM	#13
xfollowthereaperx What a cute avatar Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 4,779	Crater Hellion is really cool and a great control card for red though I hate echo. Never seen it before. Anyone else suggest or object to it? Ronom Unicorn > Kami of Ancient Law because unicorns > spirits. Personally I just put Basking Rootwalla in my cube and playing for the madness, although usually useless was actually really satisfying. I probably will take it out in the near future but I'm going to give it some more time in the box. Yes I actually got to play him for the madness too. __________________ unpowered 450 cube (google docs!)
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