Welcome to the Clan Council. In this thread the representatives or leaders from all the clan on MTGSalvation will discuss clan issues and make final decisions.
Only the representatives of an official clan can post in this thread. All other posts will be deleted. If a non-representative member of a clan wants to discuss something that member should contact their council member. If the council member for a clan changes, the council should be notified of this change.
In this thread we will discuss issues that have been raised by the chairmen or by the representatives themselves. After all the representatives have posted their views, a vote may be issued to come to a decision.
The purpose of this Council is to bring structure to the forum and to plan and discuss issues like the Clan Contests.
CURRENT TOPICS OF DISCUSSION:
1) The chairmen would like all the clans representatives to check in so that we can be sure who is the representative for each clan. Also we request that every clan who hasn't yet made a post in the Clan HQ to do so.
2) Also we would like to hear which clans are interested in starting a new Clan Contest. Ideas on what kind of Contest it should be are also welcomed.
3) Finally we request feedback from all the representatives on the way the Clan forum should be run and on other issues of concern.
Your Clan Forum moderators,
Yukora, rianalnn, Daggertooth & Weaver
1) The chairmen would like all the clans representatives to check in so that we can be sure who is the representative for each clan. Also we request that every clan who hasn't yet made a post in the Clan HQ to do so.
Clan Mono Blue checking in! In the event that you decide to also list our seconds-in-command or back-up representatives, Clan Mono Blue's is Horseshoe_Hermit.
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2) Also we would like to hear which clans are interested in starting a new Clan Contest. Ideas on what kind of Contest it should be are also welcomed.
I will continue to express interest for the banner creation contest, whether it be for banners for each individual clan or for a banner for the Clan Council. I am also interested in the clan photo collage contest.
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3) Finally we request feedback from all the representatives on the way the Clan forum should be run and on other issues of concern.
I have no qualms with the way things are currently being ran.
I'm reporting in for the [CALLED]. I like the idea of a united banner contest and I think the clan photo contest is one of the unnest and funniest we've done in the past.
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I like the idea of the clan banner contest, but I'm still concerned that some clans may have trouble with it. Still, if those clans aren't speaking up, then I'm happy for us to go ahead with it.
Clan photo contest is also a good one, and I'd be rapt if there was some kind of card creation comp (The [Pack] could run that one if need be).
I would also like to show support for said banner contest. I'd also love to see another scavenger hunt. That was immensely fun. I also want to see the return of the Survivor. That was always a fun and easy way to start off Contest season. Maybe go a different route afterward, but at least the survivor.
1) The chairmen would like all the clans representatives to check in so that we can be sure who is the representative for each clan. Also we request that every clan who hasn't yet made a post in the Clan HQ to do so.
2) Also we would like to hear which clans are interested in starting a new Clan Contest. Ideas on what kind of Contest it should be are also welcomed.
Once again just tossing out the idea of 3CB. Also, I'm not opposed to the banner contest, but I think it would be heavily skewed towards those clans who have photoshop skills. Unless we're able to come up with a very interesting rubric, I suppose.
Asking out a girl is like trying to cast a first turn Necropotence. Sometimes the other player will have the Force of Will to say no. You shouldn't let that stop you from trying it.
I also want to see the return of the Survivor. That was always a fun and easy way to start off Contest season. Maybe go a different route afterward, but at least the survivor.
Thanks to those of you who've checked in so far. Couple of things on the radar:
Zaph has been let go from moderation duties due to inactivity. On the flipside, we're reviewing some applications, + that will ideally result in there being a bit more moderator presence here in the Council to keep the ideas rolling with the contests. Please have your treacle + feathers handy for the greenhorns when they arrive
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We've had some great suggestions for contests so far, so I think we should put it to a vote to decide what we want to do first;
Council Banner Contest. Each clan would produce a single banner to sit at the top of the first post of this thread. Ideally this banner would represent the entire clan community, but mainly focusing on how they interact via the Council. Pretty abstract, I know, but a free-form creativity contest may surprise us all. Big Caveats: We'd want to hash out the judging rubrick, but I'll let you know now that I'm going to be participating in the judging as a Clan Mod, + may pull my weight based on personal preference. The other Big Caveat is, each clan will need a 'chopper. Recruiting one from outside clans would be ok, as long as a clan could show that the final product is the result of their clan's creative processes + not some flash 'chopper working with a few half-hearted suggestions.
Survivor Contest. Each clan submits a single card from the lexicon of Magic: the Gathering cards, then I make up weird catagories by which to eliminate them one by one. Winner is the last man standing.
3 Card Blind Contest. Clans submit a 3 Card Blind deck to round-robin. I think we do 3 rounds, with the winning deck each round being added to the banned list.
0. Overview
Three Card Blind (3CB) is a weekly Magic tournament, run entirely within this forum. To compete, players submit three-card decks which are played against each other. Scoring assumes optimal play, without randomness or concealed information.
1. Game Rules
1.1. Except for the changes described in these rules, games follow the Magic: The Gathering Comprehensive Rules.
1.2. Players' decks contain exactly three cards, which begin the game in hand. Players do not mulligan or sideboard.
1.3. Players' libraries begin the game empty. A player does not lose the game as a result of being unable to draw a card.
1.4. A random effect produces the result that least benefits the owner of the source of the effect.
2. Tournament Rules
2.1. Players submit their decks to the 3CB moderator (Masclins).
2.1a. The moderator acknowledges submissions and informs players of mistakes in a timely manner.
2.1b. A player may submit multiple decks, but only the most recent is counted.
2.1c. If a player's final deck is illegal, the moderator replaces cards in the deck with Library of Alexandria until the deck is made legal. Replacements are made such that the revised deck functions as closely as possible to the original.
2.2. A player may not submit a deck that can – against any deck – win the game or force more than one card in an opponent's hand to change zones before an opponent's first turn.
For example, Cabal Therapy, Muck Rats, Swamp is illegal because an opponent's deck may have duplicates of a card, but Cabal Therapy, Muck Rats, Subterranean Hangar is legal because Cabal Therapy can't be played until the third turn.
2.3. A deck may include any number of any card legal in Vintage (Type 1), with the exception of the following banned cards:
Wasteland
Ghost Quarter
Strip Mine
Glacial Chasm
Blackmail
Brain Pry
Coercion
Pulse of the Dross
Thoughtseize
Force of Will
Cabal Therapy
Abandon Hope
Show and Tell
Misguided Rage
The Rack
Form of the Dragon
Balance
Restore Balance
Barren Glory
2.4. Each player plays one match, consisting of two games, against each other player. Each player is the starting player once per match. Results assume optimal play and perfect information.
2.4a. If no player can win, the game is a draw.
2.4b. A player that can't win or draw plays to extend the game.
2.5. Points determine tournament standings. Players are ranked, first to last, in order of decreasing number of points.
2.5a. For each match, a player earns 3 points per game win and 1 point per drawn game. However, a player that wins one game and loses the other earns only 2 points.
2.5b. A table of match results is posted each round. Its rows represent players and its columns represent opponents. Match results reflect the combined result of both games played in a match; 3 is a game win, 1 a drawn game, and 0 a game loss. A player's points are listed at the end of his or her row.
I think these all make great Start-the-Year contests, although I would prefer to have someone with some experience tallying 3CB results to take that contest, if we go there. Feel free to vote for just the one you want, or to rank them in your clan's order of preference.
Just to keep them in our heads, the other contests suggested this year;
- Clan Photo collage - another 'chop contest, the idea being to get as many of your members into a group photo.
- Scavenger Hunt. Clans are given a list of items to find, either IRL or via the internet. When the lists are compiled, clans vote on each category, with the winner having the highest point total.This was awesome fun, with hilarious results.
- Card making contest. We'd need to hash out how we'd want to do this. . . + if we don't do Survivor right off, it might be fun to have each clan make a card, then Survivor those
- Mafia. This we'll do for certain, but I actually need some input from the interested parties with regards to some new twists. After we have sorted out Contest #1, I will bring this up again.
- Your Idea Goes Here
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Cheers for the feedback, it is good to know that we're on the right track with Clans!
rianalnn, could you please explain the Survivor Contest in a little bit more detail? I am intrigued.
No worries In line with the prior two iterations of this contest (2008 here, 2009 here), each Clan chooses a single card from a released M:tG set (no unreleased spoilered cards, + last year we restricted the card pool to Extended-legal cards, but that was due to the following contests involving deckbuilding + playoffs of redistributed cards).
Then there are several rounds of elimination. I toss out a criteria such as "Which card makes the worst flavour of ice cream?", + each clan votes for the card which they think best fits that criteria (this often requiring a bit of imagination/sense of the absurd, + it's encouraged that clans show their maths). Cards are picked off (ties causing multi-elimination) until only one card remains.
That sounds fantastic, casual, and full of mirth! While I hold to my vote of the banner contest for our first, as I feel that contribution to the Clan Council thread would be a great way to start 2010, I will definitely say that I would love to have my clan participate in the Survivor Contest. Perhaps we can attempt to introduce it after a particularly arduous clan contest, as it sounds like a rather relaxing contest.
Actually, if you can believe it, the criteria + people's reasoning often stirs up a fair bit of drama
Only when people take the votes personally. Once the criteria are out there, it all comes down to the clans themselves. Honestly, it's about as fair and even a contest as you can possibly get.
Besides, you need at least a little drama to spice things up.
CALLED will vote for the Clan Banner contest with a follow up contest of 3CB. That was a hit last time we did....like 3 years ago.
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"Talkin outta turn....That's a paddlin'. Starin' at my sandals....That's a paddlin'. Paddlin' the school canoe....You better believe that's a paddlin'!" --Jasper
Hey, it looks to me like we have us two new moderators to look after us! I am not familiar with their selves; has this change been announced somewhere and I missed it? If not, I would be thankful for an introduction or confirmation that the clan forum area will be seeing twice the moderation aid now Welcome!
Yes, a hearty welcome to RedDwarfian + Daggertooth! I'm looking forward to working with these fine gentlemen.
There were a few other applications for Clans staff, + I want to thank those guys for putting their hands up; it's good to see folks interested in taking a hand in shaping our community.
Contest stuff:
I'll leave it open over the weekend in case any stragglers want to raise their voices, but it looks like we'll be going for the Banner contest. Unless there is strong objection, I want to allow clans who can't 'chop to outsource, but there will be some serious strings attached to try + keep the contest on the level. I'll have the full details hashed out + posted here before Monday rolls around.
Hey, it looks to me like we have us two new moderators to look after us! I am not familiar with their selves; has this change been announced somewhere and I missed it? If not, I would be thankful for an introduction or confirmation that the clan forum area will be seeing twice the moderation aid now Welcome!
Speak of the devil...
Hiya, this is RedDwarfian, one of the two new Mods for this forum. Nice to meet you all.
Asking out a girl is like trying to cast a first turn Necropotence. Sometimes the other player will have the Force of Will to say no. You shouldn't let that stop you from trying it.
Hey, it looks to me like we have us two new moderators to look after us! I am not familiar with their selves; has this change been announced somewhere and I missed it? If not, I would be thankful for an introduction or confirmation that the clan forum area will be seeing twice the moderation aid now Welcome!
Thanks for the welcome.
Greetings all, I am the other of the two new moderators. I really look forward to getting to know you all.
As for an introductions...well I grew up in Utah. Got a B.S. in Biology. Then traveled randomly for a few years...working 11 jobs in 3 countries and six states. That's my life in a nutshell I s'pose. Highlights include never having a job last longer than 8 months (until 2009 that is...some say I've never had a "real" job :-/), making a leech bracelet (Ria seems to like that one for some reason :p...got real slimy when it rained), and having my own island to play on.
Cheers,
Daggertooth
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I have some ideas for a clan contest.
My idea
A story writing contest.
Each clan has to write a short story X words long about their clan, a bit like a history of their clan and how they came to be, the characters are the clan members. The rest is up to the clan. also X=a number i'll decide later, maybe 1000-10000.
These are another clanmember's idea.
Make a Legend, Graded on creativity, balance and power.
Randomize the custom Legend from ^, make a EDH deck with the Legend. Graded on flavour.
Randomize the EDH decks^, have a tournament. Point awarded by placing in tourney.
Now all of ^ can be intergrated into one cc.
Also Mafia should be around mid year to prevent lack of time. I do like Rainlan's ideas. I defenitly think another scavenger hunt would be good. I think the card creation would be good to start the year off.
My idea
A story writing contest.
Each clan has to write a short story X words long about their clan, a bit like a history of their clan and how they came to be, the characters are the clan members. The rest is up to the clan. also X=a number i'll decide later, maybe 1000-10000..
This would be fun, and I know some of the Pack's members would really go for it, but it would be extremely hard to judge. Also, I can see some people getting really upset if the others don't like their writing.
Make a Legend, Graded on creativity, balance and power.
Randomize the custom Legend from ^, make a EDH deck with the Legend. Graded on flavour.
Randomize the EDH decks^, have a tournament. Point awarded by placing in tourney.
Love the idea, let's get card design in there this year!
However, given the difficulties that we had with the tournament in 2009, it might be better to stop short of that stage and just have the decks voted for in terms of flavour, viability, originality, fun etc. This avoids both fatigue from too many linked contests and the logisitical issues of herding people onto MWS.
EDIT: Just a thought, I suppose we'd have to make it clear that the card being designed would be an EDH general, since anyone can read that here.
Welcome to the Clan Council. In this thread the representatives or leaders from all the clan on MTGSalvation will discuss clan issues and make final decisions.
Your Clan Council moderators are Yukora, rianalnn, Daggertooth and Weaver.
At the moment the Council consists of the following members:
[ARD] : Phyrexian
[the Called] : Silent Prophet
[Clan Bolas] : ExLight
[Clan Mono-Black] : Sir Auron25
[The Family] : ZeDorkSlipeur
[Greek Alliance] : CrovaxtheCursed
[House Dimir] : Archon Kamigawa [Shinen temping]
[The ImageCrafters+] : Sterling Angel
[The Izzet] : Surging Chaos
[Mono-Blue Clan] : Xanth
[MTGS Brigade] : Mr. Stuff
[NYC Dark Knights] : TheDeadManX
[The Pack] : Castle
[Planar Chaos] : GigaGuess
[Soundtrack] : The_Muffin_Man
Only the representatives of an official clan can post in this thread. All other posts will be deleted. If a non-representative member of a clan wants to discuss something that member should contact their council member. If the council member for a clan changes, the council should be notified of this change.
In this thread we will discuss issues that have been raised by the chairmen or by the representatives themselves. After all the representatives have posted their views, a vote may be issued to come to a decision.
The purpose of this Council is to bring structure to the forum and to plan and discuss issues like the Clan Contests.
CURRENT TOPICS OF DISCUSSION:
1) The chairmen would like all the clans representatives to check in so that we can be sure who is the representative for each clan. Also we request that every clan who hasn't yet made a post in the Clan HQ to do so.
2) Also we would like to hear which clans are interested in starting a new Clan Contest. Ideas on what kind of Contest it should be are also welcomed.
3) Finally we request feedback from all the representatives on the way the Clan forum should be run and on other issues of concern.
Your Clan Forum moderators,
Yukora, rianalnn, Daggertooth & Weaver
Clan Mono Blue checking in! In the event that you decide to also list our seconds-in-command or back-up representatives, Clan Mono Blue's is Horseshoe_Hermit.
I will continue to express interest for the banner creation contest, whether it be for banners for each individual clan or for a banner for the Clan Council. I am also interested in the clan photo collage contest.
I have no qualms with the way things are currently being ran.
I like the idea of the clan banner contest, but I'm still concerned that some clans may have trouble with it. Still, if those clans aren't speaking up, then I'm happy for us to go ahead with it.
Clan photo contest is also a good one, and I'd be rapt if there was some kind of card creation comp (The [Pack] could run that one if need be).
The creator of Maro's Magic 8-Ball!
Many thanks to:
Sig: CharlieD at Limited Edition Signatures
Avvy: XenoNinja at HotP Studios
I would also like to show support for said banner contest. I'd also love to see another scavenger hunt. That was immensely fun. I also want to see the return of the Survivor. That was always a fun and easy way to start off Contest season. Maybe go a different route afterward, but at least the survivor.
[ARD] here.
Once again just tossing out the idea of 3CB. Also, I'm not opposed to the banner contest, but I think it would be heavily skewed towards those clans who have photoshop skills. Unless we're able to come up with a very interesting rubric, I suppose.
No qualms. Keep up the good work.
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I like this idea too... Has the feel of a mini-tournament, without having to worry about MWS and coordinating pairings.
1. Game Rules
1.1. Except for the changes described in these rules, games follow the Magic: The Gathering Comprehensive Rules.
1.2. Players' decks contain exactly three cards, which begin the game in hand. Players do not mulligan or sideboard.
1.3. Players' libraries begin the game empty. A player does not lose the game as a result of being unable to draw a card.
1.4. A random effect produces the result that least benefits the owner of the source of the effect.
2. Tournament Rules
2.1. Players submit their decks to the 3CB moderator (Masclins).
2.1a. The moderator acknowledges submissions and informs players of mistakes in a timely manner.
2.1b. A player may submit multiple decks, but only the most recent is counted.
2.1c. If a player's final deck is illegal, the moderator replaces cards in the deck with Library of Alexandria until the deck is made legal. Replacements are made such that the revised deck functions as closely as possible to the original.
2.2. A player may not submit a deck that can – against any deck – win the game or force more than one card in an opponent's hand to change zones before an opponent's first turn.
For example, Cabal Therapy, Muck Rats, Swamp is illegal because an opponent's deck may have duplicates of a card, but Cabal Therapy, Muck Rats, Subterranean Hangar is legal because Cabal Therapy can't be played until the third turn.
2.3. A deck may include any number of any card legal in Vintage (Type 1), with the exception of the following banned cards:
Wasteland
Ghost Quarter
Strip Mine
Glacial Chasm
Blackmail
Brain Pry
Coercion
Pulse of the Dross
Thoughtseize
Force of Will
Cabal Therapy
Abandon Hope
Show and Tell
Misguided Rage
The Rack
Form of the Dragon
Balance
Restore Balance
Barren Glory
Mesmeric Fiend
Nezumi Shortfang
Voidstone Gargoyle
Leonin Squire
2.4. Each player plays one match, consisting of two games, against each other player. Each player is the starting player once per match. Results assume optimal play and perfect information.
2.4a. If no player can win, the game is a draw.
2.4b. A player that can't win or draw plays to extend the game.
2.5. Points determine tournament standings. Players are ranked, first to last, in order of decreasing number of points.
2.5a. For each match, a player earns 3 points per game win and 1 point per drawn game. However, a player that wins one game and loses the other earns only 2 points.
2.5b. A table of match results is posted each round. Its rows represent players and its columns represent opponents. Match results reflect the combined result of both games played in a match; 3 is a game win, 1 a drawn game, and 0 a game loss. A player's points are listed at the end of his or her row.
Just to keep them in our heads, the other contests suggested this year;
- Clan Photo collage - another 'chop contest, the idea being to get as many of your members into a group photo.
- Scavenger Hunt. Clans are given a list of items to find, either IRL or via the internet. When the lists are compiled, clans vote on each category, with the winner having the highest point total.This was awesome fun, with hilarious results.
- Card making contest. We'd need to hash out how we'd want to do this. . . + if we don't do Survivor right off, it might be fun to have each clan make a card, then Survivor those
- Mafia. This we'll do for certain, but I actually need some input from the interested parties with regards to some new twists. After we have sorted out Contest #1, I will bring this up again.
- Your Idea Goes Here
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Vote away!
rianalnn, could you please explain the Survivor Contest in a little bit more detail? I am intrigued.
Edit:
Sorry to hear a mod has feel out of touch with the MTGSal community, but excited to hear about some new additions on the horizon
No worries In line with the prior two iterations of this contest (2008 here, 2009 here), each Clan chooses a single card from a released M:tG set (no unreleased spoilered cards, + last year we restricted the card pool to Extended-legal cards, but that was due to the following contests involving deckbuilding + playoffs of redistributed cards).
Then there are several rounds of elimination. I toss out a criteria such as "Which card makes the worst flavour of ice cream?", + each clan votes for the card which they think best fits that criteria (this often requiring a bit of imagination/sense of the absurd, + it's encouraged that clans show their maths). Cards are picked off (ties causing multi-elimination) until only one card remains.
Besides, you need at least a little drama to spice things up.
There were a few other applications for Clans staff, + I want to thank those guys for putting their hands up; it's good to see folks interested in taking a hand in shaping our community.
Contest stuff:
I'll leave it open over the weekend in case any stragglers want to raise their voices, but it looks like we'll be going for the Banner contest. Unless there is strong objection, I want to allow clans who can't 'chop to outsource, but there will be some serious strings attached to try + keep the contest on the level. I'll have the full details hashed out + posted here before Monday rolls around.
Speak of the devil...
Hiya, this is RedDwarfian, one of the two new Mods for this forum. Nice to meet you all.
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Thanks for the welcome.
Greetings all, I am the other of the two new moderators. I really look forward to getting to know you all.
As for an introductions...well I grew up in Utah. Got a B.S. in Biology. Then traveled randomly for a few years...working 11 jobs in 3 countries and six states. That's my life in a nutshell I s'pose. Highlights include never having a job last longer than 8 months (until 2009 that is...some say I've never had a "real" job :-/), making a leech bracelet (Ria seems to like that one for some reason :p...got real slimy when it rained), and having my own island to play on.
Cheers,
Daggertooth
For my heart had not denied me and I have somewhere to go.
I shall never be a prisoner of steel and glass and stone.
If I leave, I will return again to my Rocky Mountain home.
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I have some ideas for a clan contest.
My idea
A story writing contest.
Each clan has to write a short story X words long about their clan, a bit like a history of their clan and how they came to be, the characters are the clan members. The rest is up to the clan. also X=a number i'll decide later, maybe 1000-10000.
These are another clanmember's idea.
Make a Legend, Graded on creativity, balance and power.
Randomize the custom Legend from ^, make a EDH deck with the Legend. Graded on flavour.
Randomize the EDH decks^, have a tournament. Point awarded by placing in tourney.
Now all of ^ can be intergrated into one cc.
Also Mafia should be around mid year to prevent lack of time. I do like Rainlan's ideas. I defenitly think another scavenger hunt would be good. I think the card creation would be good to start the year off.
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This would be fun, and I know some of the Pack's members would really go for it, but it would be extremely hard to judge. Also, I can see some people getting really upset if the others don't like their writing.
Love the idea, let's get card design in there this year!
However, given the difficulties that we had with the tournament in 2009, it might be better to stop short of that stage and just have the decks voted for in terms of flavour, viability, originality, fun etc. This avoids both fatigue from too many linked contests and the logisitical issues of herding people onto MWS.
EDIT: Just a thought, I suppose we'd have to make it clear that the card being designed would be an EDH general, since anyone can read that here.