Colorless w/o Artifacts

aljones15 · 01-26-2010, 04:47 AM

ok so basically it looks like the Eldrazi will be a creature type that's colorless, but not an artifact ala ghostfire and walking atlas

What possible uses can we get out of this? First we had colored artifacts, now we have colorless non-artifacts that aren't land. Ideas?

Will Rise be a set about color vs colorless?

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Killax · 01-26-2010, 04:58 AM

Well this is debated quite some time, but yes. I do think the Eldrazi are colourless creatures.

Having an artifact border though, that was kinda akward.

Then again, just read the cards peeps no colour reading

Aesnath · 01-26-2010, 07:54 AM

That border thing is really annoying. It's going to be too easy to assume it's an artifact and try to kill it as such. This could be a real issue with new players if the third set features many of these artifact-bordered-but-not-artifact cards.

TK-421 · 01-26-2010, 07:56 AM

I thought Wizards had learned from Mirrodin! We were like "It's too hard to tell our white card from our artifacts" and so they made the artifacts grayer. So why did they forget all the sudden?

CrimsonEclipse · 01-26-2010, 09:10 AM

i think this is stupid to level of "artifact land" stupidity, it feels like a cop out. what gimmicky shizz are they going to try next?

perv90210 · 01-26-2010, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by aljones15

What possible uses can we get out of this?

Not susceptible to artifact hate.
Not abusable by the likes of affinity. I mention this because its assumed Eldrazi will be big expensive creatures/spells.

falknir · 01-26-2010, 09:58 AM

i'm still convinced the atlas might be a typo ... and that the eldrazi with be colourless but with a new frame (fingers crossed).

how weird is a "construct" that's not an artifact -.- . Let us hope wizards isn't beeing stupid!

Denogginizer · 01-26-2010, 10:34 AM

As weird as it seems, I always did like the brown card frame, though that's probably because I got to play broken things like tanglewire, grim monolith, voltaic key and masticore.

It's strange that the card is not an artifact, maybe they'll update the rules and just say constructs = artifact creatures, though that seems pretty unlikely.

Guesswork · 01-26-2010, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by falknir

i'm still convinced the atlas might be a typo ...

The only problem with that idea is that it would be a typo across multiple languages. I'm sure somebody would have caught that. So, it's not a typo.

The artifact border was a mistake, clearly. But perhaps it was a deliberate mistake, if that makes any sense. It gets people talking, that's for sure.

**charlequin** · 01-26-2010, 10:37 AM

Walking Atlas is a huge mistake. It has an artifact creature type and an artifact border.

Now, whether it's the "typo" kind of mistake (good) or the "we just did a stupid thing design-wise and didn't think it through for even five seconds" kind of mistake (bad) is yet to be seen.

If RotE is full of non-artifact colorless creatures and they're printed in artifact frames I already don't want to play with it. I rely way too heavily on being able to spot this stuff visually, it's just going to be a stressful experience having to constantly check this sort of thing during play.

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Originally Posted by Guesswork

It gets people talking, that's for sure.

I think using a new "colorless" border would've gotten people talking more positively overall.

Guesswork · 01-26-2010, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by charlequin

I think using a new "colorless" border would've gotten people talking more positively overall.

Yes. But add to this the fact that WWK has a bunch of out-of-place artifact hosers and I'm starting to feel like WotC has something up their sleeve. Now, they've bungled things pointlessly before and I'm sure they'll do it again, but this just seems like WotC has expended too much mental energy in the direction of these themes for them not to be purposeful, somehow.

I guess we'll see when RoE / Mirrodin 2 comes out. I'm somewhat skeptical of WotC's judgment after "kicker without limits" but I still give them the benefit of the doubt.

falknir · 01-26-2010, 11:14 AM

humm ..maybe their card layout designer was just on vacation during WWK... lol

Thundra1000 · 01-26-2010, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Guesswork

Yes. But add to this the fact that WWK has a bunch of out-of-place artifact hosers and I'm starting to feel like WotC has something up their sleeve. Now, they've bungled things pointlessly before and I'm sure they'll do it again, but this just seems like WotC has expended too much mental energy in the direction of these themes for them not to be purposeful, somehow.

I guess we'll see when RoE / Mirrodin 2 comes out. I'm somewhat skeptical of WotC's judgment after "kicker without limits" but I still give them the benefit of the doubt.

idk its almost giving me an ulcer to have to wait till saturday to see if its a typo or not....

NZM · 01-26-2010, 11:47 AM

No way it's a typo if all the languages have the same thing ... I mean, come on, someone would have noticed.
Hey, maybe all artifact creatures are going to be Constructs from now on!

I think it's just some kind of test to see if we need to have new borders or are we going to go along with the old ones ... It's only one card for now!

hititato55 · 01-26-2010, 12:00 PM

If it's on purpose and not a mistake I feel the whole cardtype Artifact has been devalued in the last few years. Nowadays they can tack it on colored cards and they even take it away from cards now.

Maybe they just didn't want green the artifact-hating color the ability to easily kill this card, because the card just feels green in every way.

01-26-2010, 04:47 AM	#1
aljones15 Wizard Mentor Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Bangkok, Thailand Posts: 520	Colorless w/o Artifacts ok so basically it looks like the Eldrazi will be a creature type that's colorless, but not an artifact ala ghostfire and walking atlas What possible uses can we get out of this? First we had colored artifacts, now we have colorless non-artifacts that aren't land. Ideas? Will Rise be a set about color vs colorless? - A __________________ Verified casual combo player "I feel like I haven't done my job unless somebody says, 'How the hell is that supposed to work?'" - Mark Rosewater Collecting Islands need: Unhinged & Unglued Arena: Donato Giancola, Tony Szczudlo, Anson Maddocks, John Avon (ravnica) European Land Program: Ben Thompsom, Eric Peterson, Ben Thompson Asia Pacific Land: all especially Bob Eggleton & Rob Alexander Fifth Edition J. W. Frost Islands foil Location: Bangkok

01-26-2010, 04:58 AM	#2
Killax Wizard Mentor Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 675	Well this is debated quite some time, but yes. I do think the Eldrazi are colourless creatures. Having an artifact border though, that was kinda akward. Then again, just read the cards peeps no colour reading __________________ "They inflict pain to forget their own and break foes to feel whole." Standard: Mad Jund / UWR / Fauna Naya

01-26-2010, 09:58 AM	#7
falknir Wizard Mentor Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Viseu & Aveiro, Portugal Posts: 662	i'm still convinced the atlas might be a typo ... and that the eldrazi with be colourless but with a new frame (fingers crossed). how weird is a "construct" that's not an artifact -.- . Let us hope wizards isn't beeing stupid! __________________ woa... i was pretty sure i should be blue/white or blue/black before this!

01-26-2010, 11:14 AM	#12
falknir Wizard Mentor Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Viseu & Aveiro, Portugal Posts: 662	humm ..maybe their card layout designer was just on vacation during WWK... lol __________________ woa... i was pretty sure i should be blue/white or blue/black before this!

01-26-2010, 11:47 AM	#14
NZM Experienced Mage Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: In Your head Posts: 136	No way it's a typo if all the languages have the same thing ... I mean, come on, someone would have noticed. Hey, maybe all artifact creatures are going to be Constructs from now on! I think it's just some kind of test to see if we need to have new borders or are we going to go along with the old ones ... It's only one card for now! __________________ The missing piece to every puzzle.


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01-26-2010, 07:54 AM	#3
Aesnath Common Mage Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 42	That border thing is really annoying. It's going to be too easy to assume it's an artifact and try to kill it as such. This could be a real issue with new players if the third set features many of these artifact-bordered-but-not-artifact cards.

01-26-2010, 09:10 AM	#5
CrimsonEclipse Ascended Mage Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: calgary Posts: 308	i think this is stupid to level of "artifact land" stupidity, it feels like a cop out. what gimmicky shizz are they going to try next?

01-26-2010, 10:34 AM	#8
Denogginizer Ascended Mage Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 421	As weird as it seems, I always did like the brown card frame, though that's probably because I got to play broken things like tanglewire, grim monolith, voltaic key and masticore. It's strange that the card is not an artifact, maybe they'll update the rules and just say constructs = artifact creatures, though that seems pretty unlikely.

01-26-2010, 12:00 PM	#15
hititato55 Ascended Mage Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: NY Posts: 309	If it's on purpose and not a mistake I feel the whole cardtype Artifact has been devalued in the last few years. Nowadays they can tack it on colored cards and they even take it away from cards now. Maybe they just didn't want green the artifact-hating color the ability to easily kill this card, because the card just feels green in every way. __________________ "This might be good in legacy" is just another way of saying "I know nothing about legacy". Rumormill = Humormill? Spoiler:

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