[RoE] All Colorless/Hybrid

[rianalnn]

Originally Posted by Dapero

http://www.magicmadrid.es/blog/?p=1631

it seems RoE will be only colorless and hibrid cards

A quick Google translate of the linked page says (apologies in advance)

Originally Posted by magicmadrid.es

Wizards Yesterday we revealed the first official spoiler Rise of the Eldrazi. Hours later we received pictures of the art of basic lands.

Speculation on whether the extension would have or not many letters "colorless" (which would placed before the white) did not expect too much although the basic land arrival of common colors that theory did fall a little in deaf ears.

At this stage and as I say, as a reliable source of 99%, I can say that Rise of the Eldrazi be composed entirely of two types of cards: type "Eldrazi" (presumably as the official spoiler provided by Wizards yesterday or as the Ghostfire) and hybrid (in principle such as Rakdos Guildmage).

This in principle that would not affect the game too since we are not talking about cards card device if no color (though they should be used to pay mana coloro) although it is true that, leaving many that do not require mana some color to be played, the draft format could perhaps too remember what happened to Mirrodin.

Another note is that this new type of letter is not to be artifact (in fact it is called Eldrazi as you know) so it need not be destabilizing in the formats you can play with Mirrodin.

In short, what Wizards will include the game with this expansion is simply a new type of letter that at least I find it interesting ... How about you?

Pushing hybrid again already kinda fits with the Roil theme, but. . . What the hey?

[onidavin]

Perhaps the hybrid mana will be color/colorless rather than color/color.

[Majkel]

Originally Posted by onidavin

Perhaps the hybrid mana will be color/colorless rather than color/color.

If what is said is true , it seems the most logical . However , I think it's higly unlikely that it's all hybrid .

[Alpha Werewolf]

The question is where do wizards usually put colourless cards. I'm fairly sure that White is always first, and the spoiled Eldrazi's collector number is 6.

[cheethorne]

Still, the first Eldrazi that we've seen a card for starts with a 'K' and is number 6. Since they like ordering things alphabetically, that means there can't be more than 5 pure colorless non-artifact cards in the set. That seems a bit low to me if the entire set is split between colourless and hybrid cards.

Even if the set was split:
0 - X: colourless
X - Y: Ghostfire style colourless
Y - End: Hybrid

It seems a bit off.

[Diauch]

Quick translation, omitting redundancy:

Yesterday Wizards unveiled us the first official spoiler for RoE. Hours later we saw images of the art from the basic lands.
The speculation about the quantity of the colorless cards on the set (that would be positioned before the white ones) were rampant, but the arrival of the basic lands made the theory fall.

Now, based on a 99% trustful source, I can tell you that RoE will be composed integrally by two kinds of card: Eldrazi cards, like Ghostfire or yesterday's spoiler and hybrid, like Rakdos Guildmage.

This shouldn't affect the game much, because we are talking about colorless cards, not artifacts (even if we have to pay color mana to play them). If a lot of colorless cards does not require color mana to play them, the draft format could resemble the one from Mirrodin.

Also, not being artifacts, they don't have to be broken in formats that Mirrodin is legal.

[SecretInfiltrator]

Originally Posted by cheethorne

Still, the first Eldrazi that we've seen a card for starts with a 'K' and is number 6. Since they like ordering things alphabetically, that means there can't be more than 5 pure colorless non-artifact cards in the set.

"can't be more"? "can't be less"!

[Alpha Werewolf]

Originally Posted by SecretInfiltrator

"can't be more"? "can't be less"!

There are five at most. There can be none too.

[pandafarmer]

My only thought about the hybrid is this... if you have a W/1 style casting cost, why bother having the white at all because the mono U or B deck could run very off-color things then. My guess is that it could be something like a W/2 or W/3, giving a better bonus to the "proper" color, and giving the off colors a bit more of an effort to mess with things that they aren't "used to." Theme wise, it really would make sense in a "everyone against a big threat" idea, and having the Eldrazi almost have thier own "mana" structure is pretty clever as well. Theme-wise, it's already a favorite block for me, but I'm not much of a Vorthos.

[Flying Dutchman]

I think this could be real. Hear me out just a minute.

1. Zendikar has been pushing monocolored, after an abundance of multicolor in Alara/Conflux/Reborn. Worldwake actually made a nod to multicolor in different ways (by having creatures that require a different land type, such as Sejiri Merfolk). Mono, to slightly multi, to more multi. This seems like a logical step to me.

2. Rise of the Eldrazi is being pushed to be different from Zendikar/Worldwake while being in the same set. Both monocolored sets, so by changing it to multicolor and colorless it'll be strikingly different from Zendikar/Worldwake.

3. People love multicolor. I know I do.

4. Hybrid will not make the statement "we are now pushing towards mono-colored decks" a lie, either. You can easily make a mono deck with hybrid cards in it.

5. We also have a competitive environment to think about, although I'm not going to talk about balance... What I feel is that a lot of decks use either Zendikar cards or Alara cards. Take a look at Jund, which has a heavy base in Alara cards. Granted, it's the deck from that shard, but it's very striking to see that a deck like Boros Bushwhacker uses mostly Zendikar cards. A set with lots of hybrid and colorless cards can certainly help the variety in cards used (unless we end up with a lot of bad cards).

6. The next set is bringing us back to Mirrodin, of which the old set had the ability sunburst. This is all speculation, but keeping up the multicolor vibe by just a little bit, multi-color decks could still be viable even after Shards rotates out of Standard. Although, this point is all speculation, since we don't know diddly-squat about the abilities in the next set.

That's just my .02 euros.

[Alestra]

Originally Posted by Alpha Werewolf

There are five at most. There can be none too.

If the first colorless nonartifact we have is numbered six, that means there are at least six (five before it and itself) plus an unknown additional number (K is not the last letter of the alphabet). Not sure how you all arrived at "five max".

[rianalnn]

Originally Posted by Alpha Werewolf

There are five at most. There can be none too.

What? #s 1-5 are in all probability just like the Butcher, colourless non-artifacts. What's to say that there aren't more, just starting with Ku, or any of L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y + Z

. . . sarnthery

[SecretInfiltrator]

Originally Posted by Alpha Werewolf

There are five at most. There can be none too.

There can't be none since we already have one. And there can be more since 'K' isn't exactly the last letter of the alphabet.

Originally Posted by pandafarmer

My only thought about the hybrid is this... if you have a W/1 style casting cost, why bother having the white at all

Yeah, so what? No one suggests that W/1 is mandatory in RoE...

Originally Posted by Flying Dutchman

Hear me out just a minute.

There is an xkcd comic on this suggesting one shouldn't hear you out.

[Alpha Werewolf]

Ugh. I thought the guy was talking about COLOURED cards.

My bad.

[Orzhov Arboretum]

Diauch translation is quite apropiate
I'm Spanish, btw.
In the same blog somebody states the possibility of "eldrazi VS all set", and perhaps the reason for hybrids.

I like a lot hybrids.
And it's posible to find a card that is eldrazi AND hybrids??????
Interesting