Ancestral Vision - Isochron Scepter

[ZapPi]

If I imprint Ancestral Vision with Isochron Scepter and then use Isochron Scepter's ability, do i get the 3 cards immediately?

Thank you in advance

[InZoMN1Ac]

Ancestral Vision is a sorcery.

However, if you could magically imprint it, then you'd just draw the 3 cards when you activate it.

[Tanthalas Half-Elven]

Originally Posted by ZapPi

If I imprint Ancestral Vision with Isochron Scepter and then use Isochron Scepter's ability, do i get the 3 cards immediately?

Thank you in advance

If you do that, you are cheating, because Ancestral Vision is a sorcery.

Scepter can only imprint instants.

[Zoidberg]

Originally Posted by InZoMN1Ac

Ancestral Vision is a sorcery.

However, if you could magically imprint it, then you'd just draw the 3 cards when you activate it.

Not true, let's say he imprits Brainstorm on the scepter, when he activates the scepter's ability, the ABILITY goes on the stack.
Then as the ability resolves, he copies the exiled card and then decides if he casts the copy. And if he does so, the copy goes on the stack and he goes through each step of casting a spell.

When that copy resolves, he'll get the effects.

[GundamGuy]

Originally Posted by Zoidberg

Not true, let's say he imprits Brainstorm on the scepter, when he activates the scepter's ability, the ABILITY goes on the stack.
Then as the ability resolves, he copies the exiled card and then decides if he casts the copy. And if he does so, the copy goes on the stack and he goes through each step of casting a spell.

When that copy resolves, he'll get the effects.

While this is true... I don't think that's what he means by immediately.
I think the question though not worded perfectly is getting at what happens when you copy a spell with suspend, do you suspend it, or is it cast immediately.... which the answer to that is it's cast immediately.

[Zoidberg]

Originally Posted by GundamGuy

While this is true... I don't think that's what he means by immediately.
I think the question though not worded perfectly is getting at what happens when you copy a spell with suspend, do you suspend it, or is it cast immediately.... which the answer to that is it's cast immediately.

OP asked that at the moment he activates the scepter's ability, does he draw three cards.

Answer is no (and on so many levels XP)

[kostool13]

If ancestral vision were an instant, would he be able to imprint it? Ιsochron needs an instant with mana cost 2 or less, meaning 2,1 or zero. Ancestral vision has no mana cost at all.

[MadMageQc]

Originally Posted by kostool13

If ancestral vision were an instant, would he be able to imprint it? Ιsochron needs an instant with mana cost 2 or less, meaning 2,1 or zero. Ancestral vision has no mana cost at all.

Converted mana cost of 2 or less, which is not the same thing as mana cost. The converted mana cost of a card is its mana cost translated to a number. Every card has one. No mana cost translates to a converted mana cost of 0. Evermind, which is the only instant without a mana cost that I can think of, can be imprinted on a scepter just fine, and each activation would draw you a card.

[SaschaW]

Originally Posted by kostool13

If ancestral vision were an instant, would he be able to imprint it? Ιsochron needs an instant with mana cost 2 or less, meaning 2,1 or zero. Ancestral vision has no mana cost at all.

It needs an instant with converted mana cost (CMC) 2 or less, not mana cost. An object without a mana cost has a CMC of 0.

[kostool13]

Thanks

[Tspice]

hmm, i thought Ancestral Vision didnt have a converted mana cost, that's why i cannot flash it back with Dralnu, the Lich Lord

[SaschaW]

Originally Posted by Tspice

hmm, i thought Ancestral Vision didnt have a converted mana cost, that's why i cannot flash it back with Dralnu, the Lich Lord

mana cost =/= converted mana cost
Dralnu gives spells a flashback cost equal to the mana cost. The unpayable mana cost of Ancestral Visions cannot be paid.
A mana cost is a cost you can (or cannot) pay to cast a spell, like or .
A converted mana cost is a number and every card has a converted mana cost.

[MadMageQc]

Like previous posters, you're confusing converted mana cost with mana cost. Dralnu, Lich Lord gives to the card in your graveyard a flashback cost equal to its mana cost. Ancestral Vision's mana cost is nonexistent, so if you target it with Dralnu, it will have a nonexistent flashback cost. Nonexistent costs can't be paid.