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Aw, man. Your previous thread inspired me to start typing up my own fantastically underpowered cube to put up here, and get over my embarrassment. Now you've posted yours, and it's more powered than mine! Seriously, though, it's in far better shape than I expected from your earliest posts, at least from my lowly position.

Now Eidilon and the other tech masters can do their thing...

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Aw, man. Your previous thread inspired me to start typing up my own fantastically underpowered cube to put up here, and get over my embarrassment. Now you've posted yours, and it's more powered than mine! Seriously, though, it's in far better shape than I expected from your earliest posts, at least from my lowly position.

Now Eidilon and the other tech masters can do their thing...

Haha, we new cubers have to stick together

Post yours! Can't be worse than mine

Step 1: Get the commons and uncommons from Eidolon's list.
Step 2: See that list go way down in size.

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Step 1: Get the commons and uncommons from Eidolon's list.
Step 2: See that list go way down in size.

Good advice! That's the best place to start.

We should have some sort of workflow kick off any time a new cube is posted. The list would pop up and highlight any of the cheap commons and uncommons.

Don't be afraid to start drafting your cube! Cube drafting is fun no matter how much work it needs!

My cube started with a bunch of jank and 124 gold cards (which made it a little difficult to draft), but my friends and I still had an absolute blast!

Just keep drafting... find out what works and what doesn't... and if you're really OCD (like me), keep a running tally of sideboards; this will show you what isn't good enough to make it into the mainboard and will help later on when you are trying to figure out what to cut.

Oh, and welcome! =)

Don't be afraid to start drafting your cube! Cube drafting is fun no matter how much work it needs!

This is absolutely right. Cube away!

Awesome! Thanks guys. I expect to draft soon, haven't found time yet. I will make a large order of the cheap ones from Eidelons list and post up here soon

What is the absolute worst card in my cube atm?

Finished putting up the entire cube.

What parameters are you speaking of?

Update: 15 Proxies Included

Update 2: 10 Planeswalker Proxies Added

Okay good to know. So that means the (!) ones should be acquired asap?

the list looks pretty good! i'd shy away from tribal cards outside of a full tribal cube. you have some auras that are probably fine right now but won't make the cut once you upgrade to a certain point. below i've listed the "very unusual" includes that i think should go, while the rest are decent placeholders. it should be pretty cheap to replace some of the placeholders like shock though. fyi, i went through these pretty quickly, so i may have missed something.

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the list looks pretty good! i'd shy away from tribal cards outside of a full tribal cube. you have some auras that are probably fine right now but won't make the cut once you upgrade to a certain point. below i've listed the "very unusual" includes that i think should go, while the rest are decent placeholders. it should be pretty cheap to replace some of the placeholders like shock though. fyi, i went through these pretty quickly, so i may have missed something.

Excellent! Yeah I cut some in that list already to make room for Moxen+ 'Walkers :). You're right, most of these are just placeholders for cards im going to order in the future (Diabolic Tutor ------> Demonic Tutor, for example).

Is it worth buying 400 sleeves for my cube?

Is it worth buying 400 sleeves for my cube?[/QUOTE]

YES.

Plus, it's going to be about 600-650 sleeves if you count basic lands to sleeve.

cubing isn't really possible without sleeves. the amount of time spent shuffling and the amount of damage that will rapidly build up make cubing without them a nightmare. i am still using the horrible cheap sleeves i started with but i am going to have to upgrade soon, probably to perfect fits+regular sleeves.

Any suggestions on brand? KMCs? Dragonshields (i dont want to drop $50+ on sleeves, but if its REALLY worth it)? Ultrapro? I want to spend as little as possible on the sleeves so that I can spend as much as possible on the actual cards of the cube.

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Any suggestions on brand? KMCs? Dragonshields (i dont want to drop $50+ on sleeves, but if its REALLY worth it)? Ultrapro? I want to spend as little as possible on the sleeves so that I can spend as much as possible on the actual cards of the cube.

I use KMC Perfect Fits inside KMC Matte Black regular. They are working well, although the clear surface of the regular sleeves seems to scratch easily. However, they are doing a great job protecting my cards. I spent about $75 on the sleeves and it was worth every penny. The sleeves will do more for your cube's longevity than spending that money on cards will.

Cheers,
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Do I need Perfect Fits, or will I be alright with just the regular KMCs?

I use PF + KMC too, but... I have a crap-ton of really expensive cards to protect. Doing straight KMC will be more than enough.

Awesome, good to know. Would 7 80 packs be enough? Do KMCs split easily, so do i need to buy extra for replacements?

Spend the extra money and get good sleeves. I've been using Dragon Shields + Perfect Fits. The Dragon Shields last for friggin' ever and don't split nearly as often as UltraPros or KMCs. They're a little more expensive and harder to track down, but they're will worth it IMO. KMCs would be my second choice and certainly not a bad option at all.

Im thinking either flat black Ultras, or White Dragonshields. It sounds like Dragonshields are a good investment from what has been said.

Perfect Fits are great if you have players that tend to pick the cards up by the top edge. Everyone I play with does this and as a result I have some cards with fingernail nicks along the top edge. Double sleeving solves this and also helps prevent foils from warping.

I have yet to have a KMC sleeve split on me. I've never used Dragon Shields, but other than that the KMCs are the best sleeves I've ever used.

Cheers,
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I've also never had a split with KMC sleeves. I had one that got ruined, and I tested it's durability by trying to physically pull it apart, and it didn't split. All it did was stretch.

I love Dragonshields too. My only complaint about them is that they scratch really easily. They don't ever split though.

My friend's cube uses UltraPro shields and we have to replace like 5 of them per draft, because they split constantly. And then the old sleeves and new sleeves don't match. I wouldn't go UltraPro.

I've used all three quite a bit, and I like KMC the best so far.

Gah. I'm changing my mind so fast. So it comes down to two options for me:

8 packs of Pearl White KMCs

or

8 packs of White Dragonshields

I'd rather go with the KMCs since they're cheaper(=more cube cards added). Any thoughts?