New site, new clans. I'm never one for comradrieship, or any such nonsense, but it's a fun place to sit and eat...I mean talk. If you are interested in joining the clan, post here.
The clan is for those interested in intellectual pursuits(thus the name). You don't have to be a college professor to join, just have an interest in the higher arts. Politics, philosophy, history, or just books...you like it, you can come.
We are the free thinkers; while we learn from the past, we are not defined by it. We stand at the end of no tradition, but rather at the beginning of one.
And, of course, clannies from back in MtgNews are welcome!
Current Clan:
Founder: T2sux
Members:
Goblinboy
Senori
r@sputin
Denver
ljossberir
Abandon Hope
Dasheiff
Occam`sRazor
help im a bug
Prizm
Mono-G
I'll join. I mean, it's certainly better than the Crunk Clan, and a touch better than the Raven Guild, too.
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You don't have to be a college professor to join, just have an interest in the higher arts.
Speaking of which, does it strike anyone else as odd that many of the books that somehow are granted the title "classic" seem extremely similar to modern-day Soap Operas with less violence, prettier language, and marriage taking the place of sex? I'm speaking of Jane Austen in particular. I'm 1/2 the way through Emma at this point, and the entire point so far hasn't varied much from that one episode of As the World Turns I saw once.
See, your problem is evident: you're reading Jane Austin. You made your first mistake when you picked it up. If you want a good, ORIGINAL classic, hit Catch-22.
War and Peace(and indeed other Tolstoy works) are like that, except with war and whatnot.
You don't have to be a college professor to join, just have an interest in the higher arts.
Speaking of which, does it strike anyone else as odd that many of the books that somehow are granted the title "classic" seem extremely similar to modern-day Soap Operas with less violence, prettier language, and marriage taking the place of sex? I'm speaking of Jane Austen in particular. I'm 1/2 the way through Emma at this point, and the entire point so far hasn't varied much from that one episode of As the World Turns I saw once.
-Goblinboy
That's because people like soap operas, and old soap operas especially. The better Classics aren't like that, though- I'd find it hard to imagine someone saying Don Quixote or Ulysses reads like a soap opera.
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nor more ashamed of its being heard,
than when you sang the songs of Satan.
"That's because people like soap operas, and old soap operas especially. The better Classics aren't like that, though- I'd find it hard to imagine someone saying Don Quixote or Ulysses reads like a soap opera" Though I have heard Don Quixote compared to Monty Python, but that's a story for another day
See, your problem is evident: you're reading Jane Austin. You made your first mistake when you picked it up. If you want a good, ORIGINAL classic, hit Catch-22.
I've already ready Catch-22. And it was good. His other books? Not so much. Emma is for school.
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War and Peace(and indeed other Tolstoy works) are like that, except with war and whatnot.
I KNOW! Nobody else agreed with me when I told them War and Peace reminded me of a soap opera at our book discussion :disgust2:
Don Quixote is certainly non-Soap Opera-ish. Actually, the first time I... uh.. experienced Don Quixote was this summer on the school trip. We were on our way back from Andalucia, and the plane to home left from Paris. We spent a night in Paris, and saw a ballet of Don Quixote. I had no clue what was going on, story-wise. The lead male dancer was amazing, but I couldn't say much for the rest of the cast. (and Quixote's insanity was emphasized to a comedic level)
Certainly not every classic is a soap opera, but a lot are.
@Gobbo- I first saw the old Don Quixote movie when I was ten, and loved it so immediately read the book. No, not soap operaish at all. Funny as hell, though.
Hehe, I pm'd him, telling him that since he is banning people for following a rule(linkning sites in sigs) that I would not take a job. AND I told him I would not take the link out of my sig...and he hasn't banned me yet.
T2sux: Only for Mods, and those with enough posts... or those who got it before he disabled them for everyone.
So, he's allowing them again. Mines already back in my sig. =)
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than when you sang the songs of Satan.
Nietzche said that irony is the most pitiful of literature because it's sole purpose was to make the reader feel like along with the author, no one else understood the world. Those who read irony were looking for a sense of supperiority. Of course I found Catch-22 severly entertaining, so what does that say about me.
Joining is fine by me; let's just see what the other... uh... two think about it
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Nietzche said that irony is the most pitiful of literature because it's sole purpose was to make the reader feel like along with the author, no one else understood the world. Those who read irony were looking for a sense of supperiority. Of course I found Catch-22 severly entertaining, so what does that say about me.
There's nothing wrong with looking for a sense of superiority. Hell, that's the only reason I visit gaiaonline.com.
Literature can serve several purposes, and I see no problem with "satisfy the end user" being a valid purpose. If something has an effect on you, that doesn't negate it's worth. Donating a sense of superiority is one fine effect.
BTW, where in Portland? I move there in the fall for school.
Speaking of which, does it strike anyone else as odd that many of the books that somehow are granted the title "classic" seem extremely similar to modern-day Soap Operas with less violence, prettier language, and marriage taking the place of sex? I'm speaking of Jane Austen in particular. I'm 1/2 the way through Emma at this point, and the entire point so far hasn't varied much from that one episode of As the World Turns I saw once.
-Goblinboy
I think that the reason for seeing this is clear, there are a good dozen or so topics that are intrinsic to human nature. Before stories were written down and were told though song, the story would gradually evolve to be more intune with the changing society.
What the 'classics' are, are snap shots of these stories from specific time periods. The basic storyline in Emma was not even new for Austin's time. But for us it's (one of) the oldest version of the story we can read for reasons of either language (I know I never learned middle english) and also ability to identify with. (Other version of the story have premisses for forien to us that we would no understand what was going on.) Moden Soaps maybe become classics in another 100 years, because they will be old and yet still identifiable. Whereas Emma will use an arcace version of language and may contain ideas people won't understand.
I think I'd support everyone who has applied joining, myself.
dashalf: Soap operas are generally characterized by thin plots with far too much based upon luck and whatnot- not what I'd consider classics, really.
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For the time being, until the clan becomes very active, all applicants will be accepted. We will accept automatically the first 10 or so applicants, and then start a voting system for application. Is that fine with everyone?
I'll update the 1st post will the new members. Welcome, free spirits, to the Ivory Tower, your home at the Salvation.
@Oni- Would you like to befriend this clan, even if you don't wish to join?
I have found out that I have a study hall this semester(got my schedule today), so I will be able to remain at least moderately active
As I said in my MtGnews thread, I won't be able to post at home, starting probably next week(I move in to my new place on Thursday), and if it turns out that I can't post while at school, a new clan leader will be voted on.
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The clan is for those interested in intellectual pursuits(thus the name). You don't have to be a college professor to join, just have an interest in the higher arts. Politics, philosophy, history, or just books...you like it, you can come.
We are the free thinkers; while we learn from the past, we are not defined by it. We stand at the end of no tradition, but rather at the beginning of one.
And, of course, clannies from back in MtgNews are welcome!
Current Clan:
Founder: T2sux
Members:
Goblinboy
Senori
r@sputin
Denver
ljossberir
Abandon Hope
Dasheiff
Occam`sRazor
help im a bug
Prizm
Mono-G
Friends:
Solace
Nemata
Onikani
I'll join. I am worried about having a nonactive clan leader, though (if you really are going to be nonactive, as you said in your welcome thread)
-Goblinboy
However, if I have a study hall next semester, I will be able to post then.
Good to have you on, Goblinboy! The [T]'s live on, in our hearts.
Be aware of singing as if you were half dead,
or half asleep:
but lift your voice with strength.
Be no more afraid of your voice now,
nor more ashamed of its being heard,
than when you sang the songs of Satan.
Speaking of which, does it strike anyone else as odd that many of the books that somehow are granted the title "classic" seem extremely similar to modern-day Soap Operas with less violence, prettier language, and marriage taking the place of sex? I'm speaking of Jane Austen in particular. I'm 1/2 the way through Emma at this point, and the entire point so far hasn't varied much from that one episode of As the World Turns I saw once.
-Goblinboy
War and Peace(and indeed other Tolstoy works) are like that, except with war and whatnot.
That's because people like soap operas, and old soap operas especially. The better Classics aren't like that, though- I'd find it hard to imagine someone saying Don Quixote or Ulysses reads like a soap opera.
Be aware of singing as if you were half dead,
or half asleep:
but lift your voice with strength.
Be no more afraid of your voice now,
nor more ashamed of its being heard,
than when you sang the songs of Satan.
I've already ready Catch-22. And it was good. His other books? Not so much. Emma is for school.
I KNOW! Nobody else agreed with me when I told them War and Peace reminded me of a soap opera at our book discussion :disgust2:
Don Quixote is certainly non-Soap Opera-ish. Actually, the first time I... uh.. experienced Don Quixote was this summer on the school trip. We were on our way back from Andalucia, and the plane to home left from Paris. We spent a night in Paris, and saw a ballet of Don Quixote. I had no clue what was going on, story-wise. The lead male dancer was amazing, but I couldn't say much for the rest of the cast. (and Quixote's insanity was emphasized to a comedic level)
Certainly not every classic is a soap opera, but a lot are.
-Goblinboy
@Gobbo- I first saw the old Don Quixote movie when I was ten, and loved it so immediately read the book. No, not soap operaish at all. Funny as hell, though.
http://forums.mtgnews.com/showpost.php?p=2581421&postcount=11
Want a job T2?
-Goblinboy
So, he's allowing them again. Mines already back in my sig. =)
Be aware of singing as if you were half dead,
or half asleep:
but lift your voice with strength.
Be no more afraid of your voice now,
nor more ashamed of its being heard,
than when you sang the songs of Satan.
Nietzche said that irony is the most pitiful of literature because it's sole purpose was to make the reader feel like along with the author, no one else understood the world. Those who read irony were looking for a sense of supperiority. Of course I found Catch-22 severly entertaining, so what does that say about me.
This looks like a great clan!
I would like to join.
There's nothing wrong with looking for a sense of superiority. Hell, that's the only reason I visit gaiaonline.com.
Literature can serve several purposes, and I see no problem with "satisfy the end user" being a valid purpose. If something has an effect on you, that doesn't negate it's worth. Donating a sense of superiority is one fine effect.
BTW, where in Portland? I move there in the fall for school.
-Goblinboy
When will you let us know if we got in? Drop me a PM, if you can, when you discuss it with the other uh... two.
Heh. I guess he was condemning the "sense" of superiority more than the actualization of it.
ljoss - will do.
-Goblinboy
Really torn over here, i don't know if i want to start up a T's clan for this side, or join in the fun with you guys.
Hmmm, i don't read much, and i don't get too involved in politics, so maybe this isn't my cup of [T]...
What do you all think?
-Goblinboy
I think that the reason for seeing this is clear, there are a good dozen or so topics that are intrinsic to human nature. Before stories were written down and were told though song, the story would gradually evolve to be more intune with the changing society.
What the 'classics' are, are snap shots of these stories from specific time periods. The basic storyline in Emma was not even new for Austin's time. But for us it's (one of) the oldest version of the story we can read for reasons of either language (I know I never learned middle english) and also ability to identify with. (Other version of the story have premisses for forien to us that we would no understand what was going on.) Moden Soaps maybe become classics in another 100 years, because they will be old and yet still identifiable. Whereas Emma will use an arcace version of language and may contain ideas people won't understand.
dashalf: Soap operas are generally characterized by thin plots with far too much based upon luck and whatnot- not what I'd consider classics, really.
Be aware of singing as if you were half dead,
or half asleep:
but lift your voice with strength.
Be no more afraid of your voice now,
nor more ashamed of its being heard,
than when you sang the songs of Satan.
May I join?
I'll update the 1st post will the new members. Welcome, free spirits, to the Ivory Tower, your home at the Salvation.
@Oni- Would you like to befriend this clan, even if you don't wish to join?
I have found out that I have a study hall this semester(got my schedule today), so I will be able to remain at least moderately active
As I said in my MtGnews thread, I won't be able to post at home, starting probably next week(I move in to my new place on Thursday), and if it turns out that I can't post while at school, a new clan leader will be voted on.