What Next for Legacy? Past, Present, and Future of Survival

Finn · 01-16-2006, 09:05 PM

This thread is for the discussion of my latest article, What Next for Legacy? Past, Present, and Future of Survival. We would be grateful if you would let us know what you think, but please keep your comments on topic.

morgan_coke · 01-16-2006, 11:00 PM

Minor nitpick alert. You need to msg Goblinboy to put the {/list} on the end of your second list to make the code work. Very good article, even if I do know nothing about legacy.

Kind of disappointed you didn't include Maysonet's Rack/Balance deck, from the description of it I thought it would be posted at the end of the article. Those are the only -very minor- complaints. Excellent work.

CynicalSquirrel · 01-17-2006, 12:31 AM

Another not so nit pick being that Tradewind Riders certainly do not belong in RGSA. Uktabi Orangutan and Spore Frog are also probably errors. It seems like the editing for this was kind of rushed.

BullBar · 01-17-2006, 01:07 AM

Thanx for the article. Survival has always led to some funky decks. They certainly needed the tempo boost Anger gave them, but even then they seem always to be a turn or two too slow.....
Consequently, I'm looking forward to Survival decks becoming popular again. Thanx heaps!

Finn · 01-17-2006, 06:41 AM

Morgan_Coke, there is a link for Maysonet's deck in the article. It says "Wizards Restricted" with a hyper link. The deck was really ridiculous, so have a look.

Cynical Squirel, you are so very correct. Forget editing, I should never have allowed that to see print. I think Goblinboy would likely leave that be, calling it a content issue. I must've gotten some crazy quasi-ATS build. Damn!

Urza's_Geek · 01-17-2006, 07:05 AM

nice article u got there!
im now afraid of survival decks popping up everywhere.

warehalldn · 01-17-2006, 08:35 AM

Good Stuff,

I just love how Survival of the Fittest has become a Meta deck...

NorrYtt · 01-17-2006, 05:25 PM

I played R/G Survival Advantage in a Legacy tournament and I was amazed at the deck's variability. The deck is 1000% better with a Survival on the table. Without Survival, I lost some pretty funny games, including one to a turn 5 Rhox, turn 6 Rhox. I also found out that hasty Deranged Hermit is a bad creature because of all the Goblin Sharpshooters.

However, the real power of the deck comes with its ability to run on a single Taiga/Mountain and mass basic Forests. You can't do all the crazy stuff you'd find in a dedicated Survival deck, but at least you can play your Baloths and Flametongues while the other deck has Wastelands and Ports going wild on your lands and a Needle on your Survival. Those are the games you can win with RGSA.

bateleur · 01-18-2006, 03:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NorrYtt

I lost some pretty funny games, including one to a turn 5 Rhox, turn 6 Rhox.

Please tell me that was some random kid with a 70 card mono-green deck... I don't think my sanity could handle Rhox being playable in Legacy.

plush · 07-26-2009, 05:24 AM

Hi,

Some time ago, after reading your 2006 article on the past, present and future of survival, I made a deck similar to the one you made.

Its record is really great in casual multiplayer, and now I'm considering whether it would be tournament valid.

I'm very fearfull of extirpates.. Though the deck is fast, splashing blue gives you more plan B's when your survivals get pated.

Any thoughts on this?

YuanTi · 07-29-2009, 02:55 PM

All the decks in this article are somewhat outdated now (not surprising, considering that they predate Tarmogoyf), but Survival is still a playable archetype. RGBSA (or even RGBwSA), GBW Rock Survival and Elf Survival are all playable today. Tradewind Rider isn't strong enough to justify ATS anymore, Welder Survival suffers to Krosan Grip and Graveyard Removal (relic and crypt more than extirpate) becoming widespread, as does Rec-Sur. All these varieties should be reasonably playable in a less developed meta game.

01-16-2006, 09:05 PM	#1
Finn Archmage Overlord MTGS Writer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Radda Radda Posts: 1,059	What Next for Legacy? Past, Present, and Future of Survival This thread is for the discussion of my latest article, What Next for Legacy? Past, Present, and Future of Survival. We would be grateful if you would let us know what you think, but please keep your comments on topic.

01-17-2006, 01:07 AM	#4
BullBar Experienced Mage Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Sydders, Oz Posts: 138	Thanx for the article. Survival has always led to some funky decks. They certainly needed the tempo boost Anger gave them, but even then they seem always to be a turn or two too slow..... Consequently, I'm looking forward to Survival decks becoming popular again. Thanx heaps! __________________ Some have said embermages lack subtlety. You know what? THEY'RE ALL DEAD!!

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Urza's_Geek Wizard Mentor Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 726	nice article u got there! im now afraid of survival decks popping up everywhere. __________________

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01-16-2006, 11:00 PM	#2
morgan_coke Wizard Mentor Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 718	Minor nitpick alert. You need to msg Goblinboy to put the {/list} on the end of your second list to make the code work. Very good article, even if I do know nothing about legacy. Kind of disappointed you didn't include Maysonet's Rack/Balance deck, from the description of it I thought it would be posted at the end of the article. Those are the only -very minor- complaints. Excellent work.

01-17-2006, 12:31 AM	#3
CynicalSquirrel Rumor Mill Grouch MTGS Writer Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,687 Blog Entries: 2	Another not so nit pick being that Tradewind Riders certainly do not belong in RGSA. Uktabi Orangutan and Spore Frog are also probably errors. It seems like the editing for this was kind of rushed.

01-17-2006, 06:41 AM	#5
Finn Archmage Overlord MTGS Writer Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Radda Radda Posts: 1,059	Morgan_Coke, there is a link for Maysonet's deck in the article. It says "Wizards Restricted" with a hyper link. The deck was really ridiculous, so have a look. Cynical Squirel, you are so very correct. Forget editing, I should never have allowed that to see print. I think Goblinboy would likely leave that be, calling it a content issue. I must've gotten some crazy quasi-ATS build. Damn!

01-17-2006, 08:35 AM	#7
warehalldn Putting OwN on a stick since 2005. Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Where the penguins can't reach me... Posts: 1,117	Good Stuff, I just love how Survival of the Fittest has become a Meta deck...

01-17-2006, 05:25 PM	#8
NorrYtt Experienced Mage Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 108	I played R/G Survival Advantage in a Legacy tournament and I was amazed at the deck's variability. The deck is 1000% better with a Survival on the table. Without Survival, I lost some pretty funny games, including one to a turn 5 Rhox, turn 6 Rhox. I also found out that hasty Deranged Hermit is a bad creature because of all the Goblin Sharpshooters. However, the real power of the deck comes with its ability to run on a single Taiga/Mountain and mass basic Forests. You can't do all the crazy stuff you'd find in a dedicated Survival deck, but at least you can play your Baloths and Flametongues while the other deck has Wastelands and Ports going wild on your lands and a Needle on your Survival. Those are the games you can win with RGSA.

07-26-2009, 05:24 AM	#10
plush Just Getting Started Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 1	Hi, Some time ago, after reading your 2006 article on the past, present and future of survival, I made a deck similar to the one you made. Its record is really great in casual multiplayer, and now I'm considering whether it would be tournament valid. I'm very fearfull of extirpates.. Though the deck is fast, splashing blue gives you more plan B's when your survivals get pated. Any thoughts on this?

07-29-2009, 02:55 PM	#11
YuanTi Your God and Saviour Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Making love with his Ego Posts: 3,604	All the decks in this article are somewhat outdated now (not surprising, considering that they predate Tarmogoyf), but Survival is still a playable archetype. RGBSA (or even RGBwSA), GBW Rock Survival and Elf Survival are all playable today. Tradewind Rider isn't strong enough to justify ATS anymore, Welder Survival suffers to Krosan Grip and Graveyard Removal (relic and crypt more than extirpate) becoming widespread, as does Rec-Sur. All these varieties should be reasonably playable in a less developed meta game.