Play elves, smash face. Am I missing anything, thoughts, changes?
Combos:
Either of the combo artifacts parred with any of the following: rofellos, priest of titania, or archdruid. Get infinite mana. Bring out general ovverrun 80 billion times/play genesis wave and drop memorial.
Battalion doesn't seem worth the slot. The other two are solid though.
For drops, I would lose Elvish Vanguard - You're swarming, and it's a lot more fragile than the variable power ones. Mul Daya Channelers - Not a lot of library manipulation means it's not reliable for either mode. Multani's Acolyte - If you really want card draw on a body, run visionary. 4 mana for a cantripping 2/1 is a little underwhelming.
Do you run into issues with wraths/other creature kill relying so heavily on the mana dorks, or is the curve low enough?
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Battalion doesn't seem worth the slot. The other two are solid though.
For drops, I would lose Elvish Vanguard - You're swarming, and it's a lot more fragile than the variable power ones. Mul Daya Channelers - Not a lot of library manipulation means it's not reliable for either mode. Multani's Acolyte - If you really want card draw on a body, run visionary. 4 mana for a cantripping 2/1 is a little underwhelming.
Do you run into issues with wraths/other creature kill relying so heavily on the mana dorks, or is the curve low enough?
i too run an ezuri deck, here are a couple suggestions... immaculate magistrate is awesome with elves, and seeker of skybreak would work really well with a number of cards: rofellos, wellwisher, the magistrate i just mentioned, etc... timberwatch elf is like the magistrate but only until end of turn.
if you want more card draw, add any of harmonize, lurking predators and mind's eye. as i've been playing this deck recently i've found nature's resurgence to be better than collective unconscious, because usually the times when I want to draw the most are when I have few creatures on the board. sure it benefits your opponents, but you usually benefit the most and it might make you some friends slate of ancestry functions the same as C.U. anyway, but I guess it doesn't hurt to have all 3!
as for what to take out, survival is banned now so thats a start. elvish soultiller and heritage druid never impressed me too much. other than that everything looks solid!
I've recently built an Ezuri, Renegade Leader deck as well but I don't have much experience with it. I switched from Radha, Heir to Keld so I know the Elfball~! ways.
I've recently built an Ezuri, Renegade Leader deck as well but I don't have much experience with it. I switched from Radha, Heir to Keld so I know the Elfball~! ways.
Only thing is I don't like anything that targets because my first tutor target is going to be eladamri anyway, guys that only pump one guy at a time don't seem to do enough.
I run VERY similar deck, only with more elves. Here are some suggestions:
- Alpha status (prolly the only enchant creature worth playing in this deck)
- Elvish guidance (Titania effect is always good)
- Sylvan ranger (heres a forest for you good sir)
- Gaea's anthem (pump)
- Lightning greaves (primaly for haste, shroud is also good)
- Treetop Village (manlands are so cool in multiple situations)
- Mutavault (manland + elf, niiiice)
- Wolfskull shaman (he's always good)
- Wirewood Symbiote (untap + pseudo protection, he's a cool guy)
- Elvish visionary (draw = always good)
- Birchlore rangers (old shool Heritage Druid, still nice)
- Wren's Run Packmaster (a bit slow but still very valuable in longer games)
- Devoted Druid (try this boy. Brutal mana accel with so many pump effects)
- Harmonize (an auto include in any fast green deck)
- Boreal druid
- Wirewood hivemaster (very cool card, surprised it isn't on your list)
- Arbor elf (dude why isn't he on your list, he's a better version of Llanowar elves)
- Winter orb (you'll draw a lot of hate for this but this card is a legend in any true elf deck)
- Hunting Triad (3 elves for 3G is nice)
Btw how are Nissa Revane and Eldrazi Monument working out in your deck? Are they worth playing? And Door of destinies - is it worth it?
Cool build otherwise. I've always respected players with the balls to play elves in EDH.
Not a fan of enchantments that only effect one creature.
Never have needed mana search in this deck. I would rather play a mana dork.
Gaea's Anthem- generic +1/+1, rather it be an elf.
Never has been needed, the deck swarms, not beating with one guy.
Manlands have never been relevant enough.
Wolfs dont get most of my pumps
Already in there.
A Draw 1 doesn't seem good enough in edh.
Tapping 2 elves for one mana doesn't seem all that great.
Again wolfs don't get most of the pumps.
Devoted druid seems decent, but no idea what to drop.
Harmonize- Draw 3 for 4 mana. Would rather use messenger over and over.
Boreal Druid- Makes colorless.
Insects don't get pumps.
Arbor- If it untapped Cradle, definently, but since I usually have only 2-3 lands out anyway he doesn't seem to good.
Winter Orb is just to annoying to play.
Triad isn't big enough for an edh spell.
Since you already pulled up this two-week old thread, I will post on it too.
Akroma's Memorial lets you win the turn you "go off". Having to wait a turn is just asking to get wrathed into an autoloss. There have been plenty of times where just 2 elves without summoning sickness would not be enough to win even pumped infinitely with Ezuri.
Slate of Ancestry covers one of greens largest weaknesses, getting the cards you need that aren't creature or land. I do play the infinite mana combos and I really want to see them so I can win that turn as my playgroup is full of very competative players.
Umbral Mantle and Sword of the Paruns I have already said, I use them because my playgroup is so competative.
Cloudstone Curio and Primordial Sage are both very worth while, Glimpse of Nature and Aluren not so much. Glimpse is a one shot that wont get you there most of the time and Aluren helps others too much.
Harmonize is better than Messenger and all of the messenger-like effects because you should be playing more than half of your deck as non-elf. Messenger and the like typically hit 1 card, and its not worth it.
looking at your deck list, and it seems pretty solid. I was just wondering if you have considered Thousand-Year Elixir, or maybe Tribal Forcemage. The elixir to get another untap effect, not to mention sudo-haste for your guys. And the Forcemage for the overrun esque ability, since you can't always rely on 2 untutorable cards in your deck.
I would also like hear why you aren't running these cards:
gaea's herald (does this help the other players maybe more than you? since you can't counter them if they want to stop you)
haromize (do you already have enough card draw? only thing is that some of them will miss the combo cards and stuff, like your tutors, lead the stampede, and enshrined memories)
wren's run vanquisher (deathtouch for 2 is nice isn't it??)
thornweald archer, lys alana bowmaster (is it because you don't have too many flyers in your meta?)
1x Ezuri, Renegade Leader
Pump: 7
1x Brass Herald
1x Elvish Archdruid
1x Elvish Champion
1x Immaculate Magistrate
1x Imperious Perfect
1x Joraga Warcaller
1x Timberwatch Elf
Utility: 24
1x Bloodline Shaman
1x Caller of the Claw
1x Copperhorn Scout
1x Eladamri, Lord of Leaves
1x Elvish Harbinger
1x Elvish Lyrist
1x Elvish Scrapper
1x Elvish Soultiller
1x Fauna Shaman
1x Genesis
1x Heart Warden
1x Masked Admirer's
1x Nullmage Sheperd
1x Quirion Ranger
1x Regal Force
1x Seeker of Skybreak
1x Skyshroud Poacher
1x Sylvan Messenger
1x Taunting Elf
1x Viridan Zealot
1x Viridian Shaman
1x Wellwisher
1x Wirewood Herald
1x Wirewood Symbiote
1x Chameleon Colossus
1x Drove of Elves
1x Heedless One
1x Jagged-Scar Archers
1x Lys Alana Huntmaster
Mana Dorks: 8
1x Fyndhorn Elves
1x Heritage Druid
1x Joraga Treespeaker
1x Llanowar Elves
1x Oracle of Mul Daya
1x Priest of Titania
1x Rofellos, Llanowar Emissary
1x Wirewood Channeler
Walkers: 2
1x Garruk Wildspeaker
1x Nissa Revane
Pump Spells/Make my dudes better: 5
1x Akroma's Memorial
1x Coat of Arms
1x Door of Destinies
1x Eldrazi Monument
1x Gauntlet of Power
Utility/Search: 11
1x Chord of Calling
1x Elvish Promenade
1x Enshrined Memories
1x Genesis Wave
1x Green Sun's Zenith
1x Lead the Stampede
1x Primal Command
1x Sensei's Divining Top
1x Summoner's Pact
1x Survival of the Fittest
1x Worldly Tutor
1x Collective Unconscious
1x Skullclamp
1x Slate of Ancestry
Combo: 2
1x Sword of the Paruns
1x Umrbal Mantle
Land: 32
1x Gaea's Cradle
1x Oran-Rief, The Vastwood
1x Tranquil Thicket
1x Wirewood Lodge
28x Forest
Combos:
Either of the combo artifacts parred with any of the following: rofellos, priest of titania, or archdruid. Get infinite mana. Bring out general ovverrun 80 billion times/play genesis wave and drop memorial.
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Not much that is worth casting for free.
He's a bit to expensive $$ wise.
He was in here, but always had plenty of mana to overrun multiple times, didn;t seem worth the slot.
What would you drop for her?
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Grimgrin: Dead Reckoning
Battalion doesn't seem worth the slot. The other two are solid though.
For drops, I would lose
Elvish Vanguard - You're swarming, and it's a lot more fragile than the variable power ones.
Mul Daya Channelers - Not a lot of library manipulation means it's not reliable for either mode.
Multani's Acolyte - If you really want card draw on a body, run visionary. 4 mana for a cantripping 2/1 is a little underwhelming.
Do you run into issues with wraths/other creature kill relying so heavily on the mana dorks, or is the curve low enough?
Update:
- multanis alcolite
-channelers
- vanguard
- gempalm Strider
- primal forcemage
+ joraga treespeaker
+ wrens run vanchuisher
+ chameleon colossus
+ 2x forest
Any other cards seem weak, or any other options?
if you want more card draw, add any of harmonize, lurking predators and mind's eye. as i've been playing this deck recently i've found nature's resurgence to be better than collective unconscious, because usually the times when I want to draw the most are when I have few creatures on the board. sure it benefits your opponents, but you usually benefit the most and it might make you some friends slate of ancestry functions the same as C.U. anyway, but I guess it doesn't hurt to have all 3!
as for what to take out, survival is banned now so thats a start. elvish soultiller and heritage druid never impressed me too much. other than that everything looks solid!
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I would suggest adding things like Recycle and Fecundity to help keep you with things to do. Concordant Crossroads is a nice gem. I second the call for the Immaculate Magistrate, he can make things out of hand. The Wolf-Skull Shaman is a great token maker in an Elfball deck, as is the Wirewood Hivemaster. You might even consider the Bramblewood Paragon if you think you've got enough warriors to make it worth it.
Only thing is I don't like anything that targets because my first tutor target is going to be eladamri anyway, guys that only pump one guy at a time don't seem to do enough.
drop:
Treetop Rangers
Treetop Scout
Wrens Run Vanquisher
Thornweald Archer
Adding:
Thoughts?
Seems like a fun and awesome deck.
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Took out steely resolve and gaea's anthem for Lead the Stampede and Genesis" target="blank">Genesis.
Thinking about adding: Glimpse of Nature, Cloudstone Curio, and Aluren. Possibly Primordial Sage, Unsure what to drop though.
Not a fan of enchantments that only effect one creature.
Never have needed mana search in this deck. I would rather play a mana dork.
Gaea's Anthem- generic +1/+1, rather it be an elf.
Never has been needed, the deck swarms, not beating with one guy.
Manlands have never been relevant enough.
Wolfs dont get most of my pumps
Already in there.
A Draw 1 doesn't seem good enough in edh.
Tapping 2 elves for one mana doesn't seem all that great.
Again wolfs don't get most of the pumps.
Devoted druid seems decent, but no idea what to drop.
Harmonize- Draw 3 for 4 mana. Would rather use messenger over and over.
Boreal Druid- Makes colorless.
Insects don't get pumps.
Arbor- If it untapped Cradle, definently, but since I usually have only 2-3 lands out anyway he doesn't seem to good.
Winter Orb is just to annoying to play.
Triad isn't big enough for an edh spell.
Monument- Win's the game
Door- See monument.
Still trying to figure out what to drop for Green Sun's Zenith.
Cards that seem weak?
Akroma's Memorial lets you win the turn you "go off". Having to wait a turn is just asking to get wrathed into an autoloss. There have been plenty of times where just 2 elves without summoning sickness would not be enough to win even pumped infinitely with Ezuri.
Slate of Ancestry covers one of greens largest weaknesses, getting the cards you need that aren't creature or land. I do play the infinite mana combos and I really want to see them so I can win that turn as my playgroup is full of very competative players.
Umbral Mantle and Sword of the Paruns I have already said, I use them because my playgroup is so competative.
Cloudstone Curio and Primordial Sage are both very worth while, Glimpse of Nature and Aluren not so much. Glimpse is a one shot that wont get you there most of the time and Aluren helps others too much.
Harmonize is better than Messenger and all of the messenger-like effects because you should be playing more than half of your deck as non-elf. Messenger and the like typically hit 1 card, and its not worth it.
I would also like hear why you aren't running these cards:
gaea's herald (does this help the other players maybe more than you? since you can't counter them if they want to stop you)
haromize (do you already have enough card draw? only thing is that some of them will miss the combo cards and stuff, like your tutors, lead the stampede, and enshrined memories)
wren's run vanquisher (deathtouch for 2 is nice isn't it??)
thornweald archer, lys alana bowmaster (is it because you don't have too many flyers in your meta?)
check out my groovy elf list here..